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Why is TPM the Tea Baggers Best Friend? (56% of their soapbox)


I think you all at TPM have lost your minds.
Why on earth are you giving so much coverage to a small fringe group?
Of the past 60 posts on TPM 34 of them have been on what you have called "the tea party extravaganza"

That's 56% of your coverage, over a period of time that included TWO mass shootings?
WTF team?

There are pro health reform rallies, phone banks, and canvasses happening every single day.
But what do you all cover? Michelle Bachmann.

You're giving them a soapbox. I'm astonished. Throughout the 2008 campaign I could count on TPM to cut through the bullshit. But now you're inadvertently one of the largest mouth pieces for it. How has this happened?

You've completely abdicated the frame of the debate, even going so far as to call the President of the United States, AARP, and the AMA message "Counter-Programming" !

I don't doubt which corner you're in. I just don't think you understand the amount of power you're giving the opposition.

Here's the free earned media you've given the tea-baggers over the past 72 hours:




http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/dancing_to_her_tune.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/the_freak_show_we_live_in.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/sheesh_again.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/priorities_1.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/about_those_arrests.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/numbers_game.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/more_on_arrests_at_pelosis_office.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/tpmdcs_evan_mcmorris-santoro_spent_the.php

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/tea-partiers-came-with-2010-warnings.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/party_on.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2009/11/the-storming-of-capitol-hill.php?img=1

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/tea_partiers_arrested_outside_pelosis_office.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/roaming_the_halls.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/party_foul.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/tea_party_moving_indoors.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/wilson-mania.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/manchurian.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/running_updates.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/take_over.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/ahh_special_moment.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/tea_baggers_to_attempt_sit_in_at_pelosis_office.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/not_the_kryptonite.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/thousands_plural.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/crowd_gathering.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/first_to_strike.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/message_conflict.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/bachmann_rallies_tea_partiers_for_last_stand.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/hill_staffers_listen_up.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/mums-the-word.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/bachmann_watch.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/getting_whackier.php

These are the TPM PRIMARY FEED POSTS!
What the hell is going on?




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You didn't know? TPM is an entertainment review site and each theater of the absurd we review must be covered from all the angles. You know, sets and props, costumes, supporting cast, cast size, backers (also know as angels). You see by these thorough reviews we take the drudgery of you having to really go and risk serious illness.

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"Why on earth are you giving so much coverage to a small fringe group?"

Exactly. Stopped reading teabag-related articles long ago. The headlines are informative enough.

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I never post about these emotional arguments. They're a waste of time. I wish our lawmakers would concentrate on some facts instead of the whackos who aren't in control of their emotions.

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Though I normally dislike the overall effect of the recommend system, in this case, I wish this post would get tons of recommends. Management seems to care a heck of a lot about most recommended, most viewed, etc., with lists allover the place (unfortunately, in my view.) I'd like them to see that a big portion of their audience isn't interested in feeding this coverage, and hope if this post is highly recommend, it might stop them from pandering to the audience that wants that kind of coverage. I think you are correct to suggest this is a bigger issue than just editorial preference, that by doing it they are helping insure our political process remains as sick and distorted as it is.

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Got one from me, Artappraiser.

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Done, AA!

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Here, here.

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Would double rec if they'd let me.

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You know, in medical school they spend a great deal of time talking about disease, too. I can't understand why these so-called "healers" spend so much time promoting and publicizing a thing they claim to hate.

Have these "doctors" lost their minds, or are they actually covert disease-disseminators?

Before you scoff, know that hospitals are rife with "nosocomial infections." This is nothing but a the medicos' own secret code for "getting sick in a place that supposed to heal you." It's a conspiracy, I tell you!

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Funny :)

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Isn't this post about the Teabaggers, too?

Shhhhhhh......

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Thanks Ickyma, I don't miss the irony that my own post affords the tea baggers attention as well.

But what I'm really addressing is the editorial decision making at TPM.

This is a trend I've been ignoring for months.
But it's worth it to draw some attention because
TPM's blow horn is a lot louder than mine.

At some point, you gotta wade into the dark side in the hopes of shedding some light there!

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Frankly, I can't believe how often Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and all of the nutwing right get front, center page coverage on TPM often with article titles that could be read as if supporting them.

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TPM, like most "political discussion" site, is a place for people to find community and identity, which is done mostly by pointing out the difference between "us" and "them" and ridiculing "them" and how stupid, evil, funny, revolting, etc, they are, and how that makes "us" feel good about ourselves.

In that sense, TPM is less inane than sites discussing soccer, and less destructive than sites discussing what's wrong with immigrants. But it offers the same "value package" to an audience that takes pride in being more sophisticated.

That is the basis of it. So as much as I sympathize with your concern the issue is not giving "them" to much attention, the issue what do you expect from this site and is it realistic?

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I think it's completely wrongheaded, and while I can maybe understand why the front page does it - to bring it hotheaded traffic - the fact that it runs so heavy on the Readers page is the true failure. I'd be happy with a once weekly report on what these asshats are doing, and the rest of the time, on developing and rolling out our agenda. People wonder why we can't people to a health care rally in DC, when all our energy is going into screaming about the assholes.

It's a bit like hockey, where the other team's agitators aim to do nothing but distract attention and get people angry, so we pay no attention to the game. Bit like trolls too, I guess.

If I could quota the mention of Rush and the rest, I'd happily do so.

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Who?

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Bit like trolls too, I guess.

Not a bit, a lot! Same thing! TPM is feeding the meatspace trolls. Wanna argue about it? :-)

I don't think this is a minor issue, it's an important issue. P.R. buzz is precisely why all this stuff is being done, it's what those planning this stuff need to succeed and TPM is giving it to them.

It's terribly maddening because there is a world of problems and stories out there and TPM et. al. are helping insure the wingnuts get to frame what everyone reads and talks about. There's no one forcing them or anyone here to talk about what they they want to talk about, it's the same as trolls tricking you into talking about something by riling your emotions.

What's more, along the lines of your hockey analogy, I think it tends to give people who rely mostly on the liberal blogosphere for their information the wrong impression of what the real political zeitgeist is. I look at TheraP's current post and it seems to me she is bemoaning that fewer and fewer in the U.S. care about the poor, the unlucky, the suffering, and that it's getting worse. Well, I regularly read Pew polls on such topics, and they consistently say, all through the Bush years and now, that at least 2/3 of the American public thinks the government should be doing more in that regard. It's the same 2/3 of the country that supported Clinton, and the same 1/3 conservative against him, the same ultra conservative 1/3 that shows up for the past couple of decades nationally, the same 1/3 is making all this noise and getting this attention, and they do it over and over because it works.

Nothing has changed on that front, it's the same 1/3, they are just making a lot of noise and the media like TPM is feeding them. You can't change the minds of that 1/3, they aren't going away, and giving them publicity just distracts people from convincing the waffling middle 1/3 of the country about where policy should go to accomplish the help they want to provide and refocuses it on the 1/3 that won't change their minds.

Though I don't always agree with him, DanK on TheraP's thread does make a point I agree with. Liberal activists need to know how to talk about policy better, in order to convince the middle/waffling 1/3 about how to help those in need better. The middle 1/3 is always questioning if the liberal way is the best way to go to help people or whether it is counterproductive (i.e., they fell hard for some of Reagan's arguments, they thought like Sen. Moynihan did on the old Federal welfare program.)

That is what a site like TPM should be doing more of if they want to do good and not just chase a large audience for advertising dollars--promote undertanding of certain ways of fixing problems, as well as reporting on actual political manuevers that matter, the moves the actual power people are making and how they do that, not empowering the distractive "bread and circuses" abilities of trolls whose main raison d'etre is distractive reframing and preventing accomplishing anything.

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Agreed!

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Except for the fact that my posts are not always talking policy... even if some want to turn it into that.

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I know, you don't post to talk about politics, you post to inspire individuals to refocus on what might be important to them. And since it's a totally open Reader Blog tradition, I don't see why that should be a problem for anyone else. (At the same time, you might consider that the same rules apply to commenters on the flip side, and if you publish something here, it's to a large public, some of whom might disagree with what you are trying to do, not an "agreeable members only" audience, unless you shut off commenting ability.)

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Thanks for a good definition of my work: You've explained me to myself! And yes, of course, I understand that when something is written down, anyone is free to comment or interpret what they believe it means, etc.

Peace, AA. Your comments are some of the most considered and objective around this place! IMVHO, that is.

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P.S. I do think this is something Obama understands quite well, deep in his bones, it's very much reflected in Audacity of Hope and things like his posting on DKos back in the day and his statements about what he saw in the blogosphere not surprising him. From the tentative, mild way they did it, I think the White House's move against Fox was an attempt to tamp some of the P.R. the wingnuts were getting down, as they saw it getting out of control, but it didn't work, despite their restraint, trying to look like grownups, it was a mistake, it ended up feeding the trolls. Part of the reason is that the liberal blogosphere isn't helping them, but feeding as well.

Think back to Paula Jones and the impeachment. The whole country distracted for a year from doing anything else. And that was basically the program that was planned, and it was a success. Would TPM Media if it existed then have helped? Sure looks like it.

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Thanks for your insight artappraiser.
You're right on the money.

This phenomenon of "owning or abdicating the frame" is a bigger issue than TPM. I just used to believe that they understood it better than most.

I agree that the Obama campaign more often that not "gets it" as well. That's why they never took the bait to bash Palin for the 2 weeks she improved McCain's numbers.

However, I think the whole "White House war on Fox" meme was created by Fox News not the White House. Understanding the framing issue, they wisely decided to spin it in their interests.

They're remarkably fast at rallying their troops to the message of the day. Unfortunately the progressive communication apparatus hasn't kept pace. Nevertheless, I think outlets like TPM and 538 can make a big difference.

Unfortunately we're going to have to call them out every once in a while to get them there.

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Quinn, I love the analogy. When I played in high school, I was a leading scorer -- not because I was really fast but because I focused on loose pucks and "garbage goals." Mike Ricci of the Avalanche was an inspiration. Nothing fancy. Just results.

You're so right. We should forget the fluff and Rush. It's irrelevant. Let's dig in and hold our ground. Let's put in the rebounds. Let's take out the garbage.

Listening to the debates on the house floor, we've got plenty of loose pucks.

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Amen.

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I think that it's the whole "the better informed you are, the better you can fight" routine, at least in part. It does get Spammish (is that a word?) at times, and I do agree that it could be condensed better. But I'm not sure once a week could cover all the actions of the nutcases. Maybe once daily? Or every other day?

I appreciate the detailed coverage because I live in an area that takes Faux News as gospel and won't deign to consider anything else. Getting an overview and an idea of why said things are wrong here gives me a good start at getting the needed info on the issues I know I'll be arguing about at work or with my father in law without me having to watch it myself, which in my opinion gives it credibility via another viewer number.

Also, knowing which of the Congress critters said what outlandish thing, or which one stood up against said outlandish things gives me another name for my list of people to watch and potentially support financially when they come up for re-election.

Digging in and holding our ground is all well and good, and required if we're going to get anything done. But how are we going to know what we're up against if we don't know what the nutsos are spewing this week? They watch us like hawks for the next thing to twist into Fear Spam, or the next reason to insult us. We have to know what to be ready to counter.

In short, yes, it's annoying, and yes, it probably does get too much coverage. But it's pretty necessary, at least in my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

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Kuyleh,

I hear what you're saying. But the reality of grassroots politics is that earned media is like gold.

Coverage is the biggest shot in the arm you can give a group of activists.

What troubles me is that TPM is starting to follow the lead of HuffPo and give the tea-baggers way more coverage than their numbers and their tactics deserve. There was a solitary mention on TPM of OFA's 300,000 phone calls a few weeks back. But one to two thousand people at the capital get round the clock coverage?

Remember the Iraq war rallies? They demolished the tea-baggers in scale and scope (cities across the country) year after year. They seldom got a sound bite.

I don't know whether it's a liberal fetish to gloat at the opposition or what. But we're never going to win by pointing, looking, and snickering. These folks are frighteningly serious. And if we are too, we'll stop giving them the attention they don't deserve.

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I groaned heartily a couple weeks ago when TPM was posting video about Tom DeLay on Dancing With the Stars, or one of those programs. I emailed Josh and begged him not to become Huffpo. What next, cleavage shots? 'No-underwear' shots? I often just click through to the Muckraker or DC pages.
I do think it's wise to know some of the crazy-stuff is useful, especially when it is helping shape policy, like the kerfuffle over the public option part of health care concerning abortion rights and immigrants. Sadly, forewarned is often forearmed. I want to know what arguments my elected officials are buying into. And when some of the arguments are getting into dangerous territory, I like knowing.

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Would jobs be a better topic?

Funny. I was under the impression that "yes we can" meant job creation and prosperity.

It appears to mean the exact opposite.

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Huh?
What do you think the Recovery Act was all about?
Take your trolling elsewhere.

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Just to play Devil's Advocate (hey, gotta do something for that retainer he pays) . . .

These people represent the gravest danger to American democracy since the 1920's version of the Ku Klux Klan. People who agree with them comprise about a quarter of the electorate and every last one of them will be voting next election. Given the low turn-out that's the norm in midterms, there are more than enough of them to grab Congress from us in 2010. And they are, as we say around here, batshit crazy, swept up by the biggest, most long-lasting, wave of mass psychosis to hit this country ever.

As long as Fox, the Internet and email exist, we cannot ignore them out of existence. They will not dry up and blow away if they aren't covered by the rest of the media. And if we dont' stop them next November, they will put the brakes on item on our checklist and try to roll back whatever we've managed to accomplish.

The teabaggers gain no credibility from TPM's coverage, no converts, no donations. Keeping their descent into ever-deeper levels of madness shoved in our faces all the time is possibly the only thing that can shake Democrats and people to their left out of the complacancy, self-absorption and intramural bickering that's their traditional response to electoral success. If we let them slip underneath our radar screeen over the next twelve months we'll convince ourselves we can afford to skip the next election, the way Democrats always do, and then the country is well and truly screwed.

If they take back Congress, or simply even increase their minority to the point that they can topple the present leadership and replace asshats like McConnell and Boehner with nuts like DeMint and Bachmann, the insanity that dogged Bill Clinton after he lost Congress will be like tea and crumpets over a polite hand of whist by comparison.

I say keep it up, TPM. Crank that siren!

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The Recovery act does not appear to working very well. Plan B is?

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Thanks for joining in NCSteve and Indie Pro.

Even though there are fundamentalists who take conservativism to the extreme, I don't think tea baggers represent the average American conservative voter.

A lot of people concerned about the deficit right now simply haven't had the opportunity to learn the hard economic evidence that proves deficit spending in a recession is the right thing for the government to do. We need to reach out to these people in ways that are effective.

I don't think the correct response is demagoguery because of the misspelled or incoherent signs posted on flickr. One has to actually talk to the opposition in person to be able to effectively understand the dynamic on the ground right now.

I've been to 10 or 11 health care reform rallies in Colorado since this summer that have each ranged in size from 1,500 to the hundreds of people. We have gotten only marginal coverage in both the local and national media, even for the largest rallies. That sucks. When you take the time out of your schedule to show up for something like a rally, you want to believe that it matters that you're really doing something.

There's no more fulfilling confirmation of your involvement than to be covered in the news, especially prominently so, if that ever even happens. Because most of the time you don't get covered at all and it sucks.

But do you ever suspect that Drudge would put on blast grassroots progressive action? Expecially in the 72 hours leading up to an historic Republican vote? Hell no.

Most of the activists I know spend most of their time doing "constituent-contact", which has replaced the "voter-contact" that was core to the Obama campaign strategy from Iowa to Denver to Washington. We spend our time actually talking to targeted lists and giving health reform supporters the tools to call and write their representatives. We've driven thousands of constituent calls into congress, as well as hundreds of hand written letters.

I want great progressive journalists like the ones at TPM to understand that the quiet story-as opposed to the raging lunatic story--of this health care fight is has been neighbors talking to neighbors at the grassroots level and we have to find a way to cover this work so that it is sustained and supported.


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I don't think TPM is a democratic or liberal site. I think it is a news site, of a new kind. A reporter's site.

There is a leftward bent, somewhat. I think we all know how Josh feels about the political spectrum. But I think Josh and his operation are more about reporting. So when something interesting happens in DC, I think it'll get covered on the DC page, even if the democratic faithful is upset by it.

Also, as a proclaimed, "muckraker", if this site sits back and takes it easy on a Democratic administration, they'll lose their muckraking cred, atleast in my eyes.

As far as the teabaggers, I was interested. I'm glad they covered it.

It does offer me much amusement for the faithful to get all up in arms and huffy, and stamping their cyber feet all pouty when they don't think TPM is cheerleading Obama enough, or the democratic party, or giving too much attention to something they don't like. I don't think TPM is here for that. First and foremost, they report.

If you want a cheerleading site, there are many out there.

I appreciate Josh's editorial decisions.

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Josh? Is that you?

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:)

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Hey, if Indie and I are agreeing on something, it must mean we're right!

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