How to be Catholic and support torture. Step one: make logic your bitch


Crooks and Liars has a recurring bit called Mike's Blog Roundup, with quick links to various blogs in which Mike was interested, presumably. That itself has an occasionally recurring bit called HOLY CRAP, an even quicker list of links to various things about religion or by religious people, generally with the point of showing how fucked up they are. I am always fascinated by this and usually wind up with 20+ tabs in my browser when it's over, following the long and winding branches of the astonishing human ability to happily hold entirely opposite views in its head and passionately defend each of them, in the same sentence if necessary.

It was through today's Holy Crap that I came to read Beware of copying the Left by Bruce W. Green, founding dean of the Liberty University School of Law. In style, it reads like it's written by a pastor. In content, it reads like it's written by a drunk bully on a corner yelling at "the fags", but with a better proofreader. Shorter Green: We can't torture, because torturing would only play into the hands of liberals. So torture is evil and wrong -- but torture anyway.

That burnt hair smell you're getting is because of the sparks my brain is throwing off trying to understand that summary enough to make my point. Seriously, I can feel the mental resistance in typing it. Due to some internal hangups I have about looking foolish in public, I constantly re-evaluate any logic statements I make for correctness, lest someone point out some obvious flaw in my argument. Part of my brain refuses to sign off on my summary of his article, as it simply seems impossible to me that someone can put that forth as a logical argument. But it's really what he's saying.

It is in discovering this article in which I have decided I shall Fisk! Or write a fisk or enfisk the article or engage my fisk on the information superhighway, whatever the kids' slang might by these days. I didn't have the strength to do the whole article, though. Accept that he basically starts with the premise that being on the Left is not a political philosophy, so much as a cluster of malformed nerve cells at the top of the spinal column firing wildly in self-preservation in predictable reaction to certain stimuli.

Ah, actually, let me do some of that anyway. This first part just fires me up too much not to show it to you.


The Left--modern liberalism or socialism--is not a philosophy. It is merely the action implicit in the philosophy of utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is the view that the rightness of an act is determined by its results--and, liberalism/socialism slowly emerges from a pragmatic utilitarian philosophy of life. ... So, the Left, in adopting liberal and socialistic policies, does nothing more than act consistently with its foundational worldview--the rightness of action is determined by whether the results desired are in fact achieved by the action.

They're the filthiest sort of mindless baboons for whom the ends justify the means. Obviously they're just the kind of pricks who would torture. So torturing plays right into their hands. [zzt fzzt]

But, if liberalism is merely the action implicit in the philosophy of utilitarianism, how then do we explain the Left's apparent opposition to torture techniques? The answer may likely rest in their redefinition of the term and political motives, but, whatever the reason, rest assured that in this matter a liberal is simply a torturer without sufficient motivation and opportunity.

Hell, I don't know what liberals think. Who can? Might as well try to figure out the motivations of a redwood or a block of cheese. But I mean just look at 'em, they just want to torture things, you can tell.

Just rest assured. Ressssst asssurrrrred. There. Logic done! Man, I've totally kicked ass on this writing assignment. There's nearly no reason to continue further with my unassailable argument, but to be fair, they're paying me for a full column, so I might as well pad a bit. But really, I mean...that "rest assured" pretty much locked it up.

A Hollywood liberal, pontificating on the red carpet, or a quasi-socialist, elitist politician on the Washington, DC, cocktail circuit, easily rails against the evils of "torture". But, convince either of them that their own neighborhood will be annihilated in an hour by a nuclear blast unless the government acquires intelligence from a captured terrorist, and they will push each other aside getting in line to torture the poor soul into mindless mush. Why? Because deep in the recesses of their hearts and minds they believe the rightness of their actions is determined by the results of their acts.

In inventing a zero-dimensional character of the pontificating Hollywood liberal, I shall emply the full power of the Hollywood writer creating the zero-dimensional character. My omniscient awareness of the reactions of these flat sterotypes I just now made up is in no way intended to be a reflection of anything I would ever think, because the Left is Bad.

Hey, did you catch the neat trick I pulled here were there's going to be a nuclear attack, but it's the Hollywood Liberal who's the bad guy in this paragraph? He's lining up to "torture the poor soul into mindless mush"? Just wait until two paragraphs from now where the "poor soul" becomes the "murderer" who we have to "harshly interrogate" for America. I got a Klein bottle full of this shit in my head and I am not afraid to use it.

The modern conservative who believes and champions the idea that the rightness of an act depends upon its desired results has already abandoned principle and truth, and become a member of the Left, by another name--whether he or she is aware of it or not. To act and think like a member of the Left is to be already a member of the Left, even if one is under the impression they oppose it.

If you disagree with me, are you really conservative, or are you really on the Left? THOUGHTCRIME!

I do not profess to know all the interrogation tactics employed by the American government, nor do I know which, if any, of those tactics constitute torture.

Oh, by the way, I have no idea what I'm talking about. That omniscience potion I took this morning before I wrote this told me the secret truth in the heart of all liberals, but I guess it forgot to pick up any national newspaper in the last six months. But in the omniscience potion's defense, there are only two types of liberals, Hollywood Red Carpet Guy and Elitist Cocktail Circuit Politician Guy, so I suppose that first one was an easy get.

And, I am aware that the events of September 11, 2001, and subsequent events, have required a reassessment of the tactics of modern warfare.

looks thoughtfully back to the Torture selection on the Today's Specials menu...mmmm...

Nonetheless, there remains the reality that certain acts against human beings are by their very nature objectively evil, and if we adopt those acts as means to an end -- even a good end --- we have already lost our souls, and we have contributed to triumph of the utilitarian Left.

No! Shouldn't have the Torture...too many calories and you'll just be working it off forever. Don't want to be like those liberals at the next table, God they just love Torture, look at them just digging into big heaping plates full of Torture and waving it around under my nose and trying to cram it down my throat. I shouldn't come to this restaurant any more, I keep running into these filthy, craven liberal animals that spring forth, fully formed, from my imagination.

And, let's not kid ourselves. The more humane and moral our American history has been in the past, the more likely we are to unintentionally succumb to the belief that we do not err by treating cruelly those known to have taken innocent life.

[Did I save the right file here? This seemed to make sense for a minute --spinn]

Because, after all, "torture" is what evil terrorists do, and what evil countries do. It is not what America does. What America does is to protect the innocent. If, in order to protect the innocent, we must "harshly interrogate" a murderer, then so be it. Because, after all, people who are tortured are "victims", and everyone knows that a murderer is not a victim.

I'm glad I finally got an opportunity to put in a public forum my point of view that, because someone is guilty of one crime, we are free and clear to commit any of our own crimes against him. Hell, you can really tell I'm a lawyer, huh? I got this shit down. It also means I can finally share the secret joy in my hobby of sticking my switchblade in the tires of any car that's parked at an expired meter.

Good thing this omniscience potion also tells me who the "murderers" are and who the "victims" are. And being able to "torture" some people and "harshly interrogate" other people is a pleasantly unexpected side-effect. This thing was a steal! Glad I traded the cow for the omniscience potion instead of the five beans like that other loser. That other loser who was likely a liberal. Or a conservative who is really subconsciously secretly a liberal...I mean really either way, he's probably a murderer.

I am concerned for America these days, and not just because we face threats from external forces bent on our destruction. I am most concerned that we --- the Left and the Right -- have drifted from the path of principle and truth and lost our way in the resulting fog.

Whew! Almost forgot that faint whiff of balance at the end there. I think it looks properly like I'm saying the Right could be at fault, but not really, but just enough to protect myself from criticism. Um...I hope it's not too much? People won't start thinking I'm secretly on the Left even though I don't know it?

Eh, nah, their omniscience potions will kick in and clear it up.

Cut Lieberman loose...it's not like Democrats vote in a herd anyway


It's times like this I wish I had a bigger platform, or I could talk to people in power directly in any meaningful fashion. If I could write an open letter to Reid, or Congressional Democrats in general, I'd say:

Cut Lieberman loose.

If you're waiting to see the results of the outstanding Senate races, please do not bother. One, you Democrats don't vote in a herd like Republicans, so if you get 59 seats, having Joe for 60 won't really matter.

And two, it's just not worth it. Your souls are not worth it. Our country is not worth it. Lieberman shat all over your party and now he needs to get what's coming. Ah, that's just my vindictive side talking, forget about the revenge angle. Basically, if he's willing to question Obama's loyalty to America while he's running for President, what's to stop him from doing it after he actually is?

And three, if the argument is "he frequently votes with us anyway", then either he will follow his principles and continue to do so, or he has no principles, in which case it doesn't matter if he's in your caucus or not.

And just on a personal level, I cannot take that sanctimonious, self-satisfied face on my TV screen for the next four years. There's quite a lot I would give to make him so irrelevant that he can't get face time on CSPAN-3.

Cut Lieberman loose.

Like I'm waiting to exhale a hundred times


In reference to this post on TPM talking about the org chart that they've posted on the presidential transition site. TPM calls out this block in particular:

There's something about definitively seeing "The Constitution" at the top of all branches, and seeing the VP definitively inside the executive. I felt a small bit of relief, not a lot, just a little. Like a ship's passenger on the deck after a violent storm at sea, still holding, white-knuckled, to the rails, for minutes after the storm has passed, and just getting the idea to convince the fingers that they might not have to hold so tightly anymore.

Remember the "mandate"?


2004, Bush wins 284 electoral votes, 51% percent of the popular vote...the narrowist win for an incumbent since 1916, and it was called a mandate.

Wonder how much "mandate" will be mentioned in the days ahead. Mostly I see apologies for Events by conservatives..."oh, no Republican could have won in this environment," somehow ignoring the realities of the last eight years, as if that's had no effect. (And for that matter, logically they're implicitly saying "we suck on the economy", the biggest admission that Republicans are worse for the middle class's wallet, which I think is funny there wasn't anyone loudly underlining that.)

Now I expect a lot of "Well, you know. Events." Nothing about a mandate. Less about the accomplishment and more about how the "tsunami" simply pushed Obama into the white house, as if against his will.

Palin: Todd and I live with racial discrimination, too!


Seriously. Just saw this at Wonkette. A black guy says, I'm the only minority here, what can we do to be more inclusive? I'm paraphrasing that, but here's part of Palin's actual answer:

"Todd is Alaskan and if you go up to Alaska, we have a problem with Todd being a minority up there. We live it."

So Todd...is a minority...for being an Alaskan...in Alaska.

Lord that's...oh I don't even know where to begin. It's like saying I'm a victim of racism where I live in Chicago because I was born in Philadelphia. The worst is when I'm walking down the street and people yell "brother-lover!" and throw cheesesteak rolls at me.


Palin: Todd and I live with racial discrimination, too!


Seriously. Just saw this at Wonkette. A black guy says, I'm the only minority here, what can we do to be more inclusive? I'm paraphrasing that, but here's part of Palin's actual answer:

"Todd is Alaskan and if you go up to Alaska, we have a problem with Todd being a minority up there. We live it."

So Todd...is a minority...for being an Alaskan...in Alaska.

Lord that's...oh I don't even know where to begin. It's like saying I'm a victim of racism where I live in Chicago because I was born in Philadelphia. The worst is when I'm walking down the street and people yell "brother-lover!" and throw cheesesteak rolls at me.


"We have to shut down the press to preserve my First Amendment rights."


That's the mind-boggling logical conclusion of Palin's recent statement here.

How can she not see that? How can people not see that she doesn't even understand AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE in our Constitution?!

I have a dark laugh whenever I see someone think of the First Amendment as "you have to shut up so I can exercise my right to free speech." But to see a Vice Presidential candidate have that level of misunderstanding is deplorable.

Bad vetting runs in the family


Here's something fun from the Branchflower report. It's been reported in the press as a footnote elsewhere but I'm a big fan of irony.

For details I won't bore you with here, the Palins finally decided in June 2008 that Walt Monegan had to go. Charles Kopp, currenlty working for the city of Kenai, Alaska, gets a call on a Wednesday, in which he's asked if he wants to be the new Commissioner of Public Safety. He applied for it back in November 2006, so they had his application on file, presumably.

He says he's still interested, so yes. That call is Wednesday; they have him up in Anchorage for a meeting Thursday; Monegan's fired and Kopp's hired on Friday.

He resigns 15 days later. When he was police chief of Kenai, he was reprimanded for sexual misconduct. they never bothered to actually check up on him. Or "vet" him, if you will.

Whirlwind staffing decision shown to be drastically wrong due to lack of proper vetting. The parallel highly amuses me.

Didn't handshake? Nah.


That was just a normal social interaction, McCain kinda pointed to Cindy, Obama turned and shook her hand.

I hope people don't overfuss about this. This is the kind of little made up controversy I see a lot from right-wingers.

Biden won the debate on points. Which of course means we lost.


In the (liberal) blogs I read, I see a lot of back-patting about the debate last night, and I really don't understand why. The polls were on the upswing, and with the way underdog politics works, it was Biden's to lose. And, granted, he didn't.

That means that all Palin had to do to win it was not accidentally fall off the stage (while simultaneously trying to explain she was not, in fact, falling off the stage). She was starting to drag the ticket down, but since she is able to put on the perky appearance of competence, that's now going to blunt Obama's upswing in the polls. And if the race stays close enough up to election, the vote fixing will be easy to hide in the chaos of small sample sizes.

My wife and I came out of watching the debate pretty depressed. I'm surprised more people aren't.

What's it like to debate Palin? She's "a master of the nonanswer"


Andrew Halcro, two-time Republican member of the Alaska House of Representatives, knows from experience what it's like to debate Sarah Palin:

"Andrew, I watch you at these debates with no notes, no papers, and yet when asked questions, you spout off facts, figures, and policies, and I'm amazed. But then I look out into the audience and I ask myself, 'Does any of this really matter?' " Palin said.

While policy wonks such as Biden might cringe, it seemed to me that Palin was simply vocalizing her strength without realizing it. During the campaign, Palin's knowledge on public policy issues never matured – because it didn't have to. Her ability to fill the debate halls with her presence and her gift of the glittering generality made it possible for her to rely on populism instead of policy.

This really works when there isn't an opportunity to pin the person down. And unfortunately the debate format will probably play to her strength here.

McCain keeps asking for someone to show him where he's lied or reversed his position...who will oblige him?


I'm glad to see the Des Moines Register editorial board pushing back on some of McCain's claims. This is the second time I've heard him say "if you think I'm lying, show me, because nobody's been able to give me an example." Whoever the other speaker was, she did try to make some headway, but it wasn't enough to actually corner him.

Usually reporters are too easy to get away from--end the press conference, get in the limo, whatever--but this meeting with the editorial board doesn't leave much opportunity to duck out gracefully. We know examples of his position reversals are plentiful, and I'd really like to see someone get him in a close setting like that with documentation and get him to justify some of his more deceptive claims.

"Not to blame anybody...but I blame Obama." Amazing.


Consecutive sentences.

McCain: "Senator Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame; it's time to fix the problem."

I mean even forget the larger point that he was the one who swooped into Washington, Batman-like, making a big friggin' deal about going there to get shit done when in fact all he did was sit at a table and be noncommittal and not deliver whatever magic pixie dust he thought would make it all better. Forget he went from "NO DEBATE UNTIL THERE'S A DEAL" to "Okay, we can debate because there's a framework for cooperation" to "You guys better all get back to work because you didn't fix it yet" in under a week.

I mean just look at the consecutive sentences. "I blame Obama. This is not the time to blame people." Amazing.

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