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For the lack of a good cop?


Dan Froomkin, who is deputy editor and a blogger at the Nieman Watchdog  web site, has assembled a nine-part series  there about all the things we still don't know concerning torture and abuses during the Bush years. (One of the reasons we need a commission, IMO)  One of the most interesting  commentaries  to me is: Would a better prepared U.S. have used torture?  By William J. Astore.

 Astore, who is a retired Lt. Colonel in the USAF,  taught at the Air Force Academy and served as Dean of Students/Provost at the Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center (DLIFLC).  He suggests that torture and abuse were not undertaken by the Bush/Cheney administration for pure Machiavellian,  ends-justify-the means reasons.  He argues instead that the U.S. did not have the personnel to elicit information in a humane (or legal) manner.  Aside from the fact that it takes months to properly train interrogators , we did not have translators who were proficient in the languages needed for these wars, i.e., Arabic, Pashto, or Dari.

 "Because we lacked the language and cultural skills to play good cop, we played bad cop as a short cut", says the author. 

 And he asks: "Is torture the last refuge of the impatient and the incompetent?  If so, how do we instill patience and competence?"

 I don't think impatience  and incompetency are the only reasons people  turn to torture, but they were present in the  Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld administration and probably contributed in their decisions, including the decision to invade Iraq and subsequently to torture.   Field agents can be steeped in culture and language so that they become competent in certain fields, and perhaps with enough training an impatient person can learn to be patient.  In other words, we can train, or instill if you prefer,  "good cops".  

 The real onus lies with the leaders, though, and they are what they are.  Their characters are formed and they are the ones who do the instilling once they are in power.  Impatience and incompetence in the leaders inevitably leads to the same in corporate body.  Although it is possible to "grow in office", there are times when a solid bedrock of character is required and nothing else will do.  The decisions about  whether  to wage war or not and  to abide by the law or not and to treat fellow humans humanely or not  are not things you grow into  nor can they be instilled in a person already in power.  These decisions are part of the foundation and if the foundation is crumbling,  the corporate body collapses with it.

So - my answer to Astore's first question is a qualified yes and for the second, a yes and no, depending. I invite you to put in your 2 cents.  Do you think it was incompetence and impatiences that led them to torture?


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I think that he's missed the fact that they weren't getting the answers that they wanted, so they stepped over the lines. Turns out the answers that they wanted weren't true. Problem was, they had already proceded as though the answers that they wanted weren't true.
A better-prepared US wouldn't have felt it needed torture. They (Cheney especially) were looking for justification for an aggressive, illegal war. They would have done anything to get it.

Of course, if we stopped trying to manipulate the world adverserially, we wouldn't need to consider it.

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Good point, brantlamb. I agree.

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To say they weren't prepared is a damning comment to say the least.

Such a comment leaves me at a loss for words.

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Brant sounds about right on this.

"Because we lacked the language and cultural skills to play good cop, we played bad cop as a short cut", says the author.

And he asks: "Is torture the last refuge of the impatient and the incompetent? If so, how do we instill patience and competence?"

All right these pricks get into office and have been planning the war in Iraq before they were even sworn in.

Rummy and Cheney are planning this outsourcing and stuff.

Rummy looks outside his window on 9/11/01--what the hell is this?

They were taken by surprise. They were pissed. But dickyc knew he would have to spin this one and quickly at that.

When they found those two guys and waterboarded them 183 times or whatever the fuck it was...I mean they were mad.

But it was not the 183 times that was the real story here.

Hundreds have died as I understand it. Thousands have been tortured.

I think a couple at the 'top' ordered it. I have seen many docs on this.

Good Post.

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While it's no doubt true that we lacked interrogators and translators early on, the problem is that there were only a handful of High Profile interrogations at issue and we surely had a handful of interrogators and translators. So the argument falls flat on that point. It's possible that the resources were poorly allocated but I think that shortages of trained personnel are not the main factor in what went down re waterboarding, Abu Ghraib, and other problem areas.

There was a lack of sound leadership in a number of areas.

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I believe a very skilled translator - one of the few available - is about to be discharged from the military because he revealed he was gay.

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It's also true that counter-terrorism programs were drastically cut upon Bush taking office in favor of pie-in-the-sky star-wars missile defense programs and weapons of conventional warfare. Many analysts and translators were let go and budgets were slashed. Not to mention that the administration just couldn't see a little group of terrorists as our enemy ("ain't gonna shoot no $million missile up a camel's butt"). They were still fighting with a cold war mentality and had their own "Axis of Evil" targets already in mind. Analysts and translators, intelligence groups, are exactly the kinds of programs governments can't pull together overnight and expect a quality "product."

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