Cancer Screening and Civility
Recently I participated in two blogs asking whether cancer screening saves lives. I wrote one of them, and offered comments on the second, which was posted in response to mine. I enjoyed both, for reasons I mention below. Citing references to the cancer literature, I pointed out that we have good evidence that Pap smears for cervical cancer saves lives, and colonoscopy for colorectal cancer saves lives, but no good evidence that mammography saves lives. There is similarly no good evidence PSA screening for prostate cancer saves lives. Mammography and PSA screening may be worthwhile, but not because screened individuals can be shown to live longer.
The links to these posts are at http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/f/r/fredmoolten/2010/07/cancer-screening-redux---does.php and at
Because the data are compelling, there was no serious counterevidence presented that refuted the point. Some contributors cited data on breast cancer and prostate cancer mortality that are accurate, but which did not address the issue. Others disputed my logic. The more inflammatory response to my contributions, however, was a personal and sometimes venomous attack on my character and my motives. In essence, I was an evil man determined to let patients suffer so that insurance companies could profit.
A sampling of these responses gives a sense of their flavor: "You are a liar", "Asinine", "Ignore Fred Moolten's bunk", "It makes me sick that a sellout like you actually teaches. I just wonder if your price was more or less than the academics that took BP's offer", "You have no shame", "Find another line of work - you stink at this", "You are a bad, bad man", and "You are vile".
Others of a kinder, gentler nature offered suggestions on how I might improve my character. I thank them, but in truth, I'm incorrigible, and my character flaws will accompany me to the grave. Those who know me well have long since given up trying to reform me.
Readers may wonder, therefore, whether my claim to have enjoyed the discussions was sincere or sarcastic. It was sincere. I try to document positions I take with evidence and a rational tone, but I've long ago learned that it reinforces my credibility with members of the general public uninvolved in the discussions when those who argue against me come across as irrational, insulting, snide, or sarcastic. At times, a mischievous side of my nature has motivated me to bait discussants into insults for that purpose, although I haven't done it in this instance. In any case, the two posts will find their way onto Google, and my points will be judged both from the evidence and the tone of the arguments used against them, and will therefore help inform individuals seeking to understand better the benefits and harms of screening. Anyone interested in the issues should probably read the posts rather than rehash the arguments here.
Any value to my perspective from the nature of attacks on it may be outweighed, however, by the detriment TPM suffers from a level of discussion debased by personal attacks. These have often been the norm rather than the exception in exchanges I've read over the past year. In that sense, we sink to the same level as the large multitude of web commentary that frequently offers more vitriol than information in response to legitimate issues. We can choose to occupy that level or rise above it, and the latter might be worth considering.
In my profession as a scientist, debate and argument are elements essential to a proper understanding of issues, but the rules are simple - don't be personal. Address the issue but don't attack the individual. Comments violating these rules are routinely deleted, and the result is civil discourse that is both efficient and enlightening. Much of the media and the web, however, embrace the concept that readers can say anything they want. Why the difference?
The standard justification for the lax standard is "freedom of expression". This excuse, however, would be more compelling if those freely expressing insults and obscenities were similarly required to accept responsibility for their comments by revealing their true names. Without the veil of anonymity, much of the inappropriate commentary would disappear.
I believe the principal reason the media and some web sites invite anonymously expressed exchanges of insults is that it is lucrative. Readers are attracted to sites that stroke their egos by affording them the pleasure of seeing their remarks on the printed page or screen, and the enhanced readership translates into enhanced revenue.
This is unlikely to change any time soon, but need it remain a dominant mode of expression on TPM? I don't believe it would be practical to enforce here the rules science operates by, but perhaps we could take a small step toward greater civility. My recommendations are twofold. First, I would suggest that TPM management restate a policy of civility, with frequent reminders. Second, I believe any of us who would like to see us move at least slightly toward the position of scientific organizations, NPR, and other responsible venues might make the same suggestion ourselves in response to comments framed in attack mode, and ask those who express themselves that way to tell us their names, so that we can judge the real person behind the comment by the way he or she acts. We do that in real life, why not here?











