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Five Thoughts for Sunday


5) Where Are the Overnights? When McCain pollster Bill McInturff released his now-infamous memo he made it clear that his spirits had been buoyed by a remarkable night of polling on Monday. In fact, the version sent around the campaign he wrote, "Pls pray for another night of tracking like the one I had last night!!!"

Well, since that release, he's traded broadsides with Stan Greenberg as to its accuracy. And I took him to task, as well. But here's the thing - all of that has focused on numbers that were produced on Monday night. And, as McInturff himself notes, those numbers were a sharp departure from what he'd been seeing. In polling, we have a technical term for this - outliers. If McInturff had been able to replicate those results on subsequent nights, much less improve upon them, I expect we would have seen still-more memos, or evidence of it in his responses. But we haven't. So we can safely dismiss McInturff's original numbers as aberrational.

4) And Speaking of Outliers... The much hyped Zogby tracking poll, which showed a 1-point McCain lead in its overnight sample on Saturday, reported a 10-point Obama lead in its Sunday overnight sample. This is why most pollsters won't break out results on a nightly basis - 400 voters, with no multiple-night callbacks, simply isn't large enough sample. 

Zogby's explanation sure is entertaining, though: 

So what happened to give McCain a one-point lead in the one-day polling on Friday? It was a day of consolidation for him, too. He had been losing support among key groups and began to regain some of his own base. He now leads by 21 points among NASCAR fans, 9 among investors, 6 among voters in armed forces households, and 2 among voters over 65 years old.

Instead of blaming random variation, Zogby doubles down, confidently asserting that McCain had been "losing" support, then had a magical day of "consolidation," before presumably hemorrhaging support again. And he proves it by citing numbers from a motley collection of presumptively friendly subgroups. If it takes guts to report results based on a sample size of 400, breaking out armed forces households takes some serious cojones. With fewer than 3 million adults residing in households with a member of the active-duty military, guard, or reserves, these voters can't comprise more than 3% of Zogby's total sample. So when he says McCain maintains a six-point lead, he means something like 33 voters to 31. But Zogby's not done:

Remember, as I said yesterday, one day does not make a trend. This is a three-day rolling average and no changes have been tectonic. A special note to blogger friends: calm it down. Lay off the cable television noise and look at your baseball cards in your spare time. It is better for your (and everyone else's) health.

The continued presumption that the poll is reflecting actual changes on a daily basis, but that these changes may not represent a "tectonic shift" unless maintained for several days, is breathtaking. But what I really love is the swipe at his most trenchant critic, Nate Silver. When he's not blogging on polling at FiveThirtyEight.com, Nate's day job remains as a co-author of Baseball Prospectus. I'm sure that if Nate wrote a little less about polling, it would be better for Zogby's health, but he's doing the rest of us a world of good.

3) Black Voters: Perhaps the most important demographic group in this election is also the most reliably Democratic - Black voters. In the early voting, they turned out at rates that defied predictions - 35% of voters in Georgia, 36% in Louisiana, and 26% in North Carolina. Each of those numbers far exceeds their percentage of registered voters, not to mention eclipsing all past turnout records. As a demographic group, they're voting fairly monolithically for Obama, and have put a number of reliably red states in play.

Polling, as a science, tests its models retrospectively. When voters act in unprecedented fashion, the models struggle to keep up. Pew, for example, loosened its voter screen just for black voters - it projects them at !2% of the electorate, up from 9% four years ago. (That's one reason why Pew has consistently shown some of the largest leads for Obama.) I'm sympathetic to the impulse, but applying different screens to different populations amounts to guesswork. 

The problem for pollsters is that black voters haven't been reporting attitudes that are hugely different from past elections, but they have been exhibiting radically different behavior. Since polls use the former to predict the latter, they're running into all kinds of trouble. Gallup's latest release confirms this, reporting that Black voters are more likely to have been contacted by the Obama campaign, and to express a higher likelihood of voting - but on gauges like registration and interest, Black voters and White voters report virtually identical increases. That's despite the very good objective data on black registration this cycle, from the various and several states, which shows that black registration has actually increased far out of proportion to their share of the population.  

The Gallup release also contains this priceless line:

In Gallup's most recent update on likely voters, blacks constitute 11% of both the expanded and traditional likely voter group, higher than the 8% representation in Gallup's final estimate of voters from 2004. If these trends continue through the election next Tuesday, black turnout rates this year may approach or match turnout rates among whites.


That's Gallup's own special way of confessing that, until recently, its likely voter models had been screening out many of these black voters. Now that they tell Gallup they've already voted, though, they score high enough on Gallup's models to make the cut, and their percentage of the total is rising. But here's the key point. In 2004, when Gallup's final numbers put them at 8%, black voters actually accounted for somewhere between 9% and 11% of the total. And this year, with Gallup pegging them at 11%, the write-up is projecting an increase. If they match raw turnout rates among white voters, as the release suggests, they'll account for at least 12% of the total, in line with Pew's figures. Every point that black turnout increases produces (roughly) a 0.9% swing toward Obama. So if polls assume that turnout is at 11%, and it surges to a perfectly plausible 13%, that's a 1.8% shift. And it's amplified by the concentration of black voters in states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia that are suddenly in the balance, where a proportionate increase would seal an Obama win. 

2) The Keystone State: The fashionable thing to do, among angst-ridden Democrats, is to fret about Pennsylvania. Nate Silver has already done his level-best to talk these folks down off the ledge. And just as he finishes, SurveyUSA releases a new poll that has Obama up just seven points, 51-44%. Since its last poll had Obama ahead 53-41%, that's a big deal. But before you leap, you should note that this latest poll has Obama up 80-16% among black voters, down from 89-10%. So that's almost a two-point swing right there - and unless you believe black voters are abandoning Obama, you can safely discount it. McCain now does better among whites and non-college graduates. But even as he's gained ground among Republicans, and actually lost a little among Independents. And that, I think, is the key to understanding the 'tightening' in Pennsylvania. As McCain ramps up the coded appeals and the fear-mongering, he's bringing home some of his core supporters, who had wavered toward Obama or considered not voting. So his numbers are rising. But he's progressively less likely to win over moderates or independents, and is shoring up Obama's support among his own core voters, so Obama's support isn't actually shrinking. Pollster's neat graph nicely illustrates this dynamic.

Here's the essential point: There's a reason McCain waited until the final days to unleash his nastiest, most divisive message. It's a desperate ploy. He always knew that these attacks would shore up his support and increase his numbers in the polling. But his campaign also understood that to be a Pyrrhic victory - his core support isn't enough to win the state, and these attacks sink his final hope of winning over the moderate swing voters. So the undecideds - mostly conservatives and Republicans who didn't like either candidate - are coming back to McCain. But in the process, he's alienating enough voters to seal Obama's victory. In short, Obama is now less likely to win Pennsylvania by double digits, but perhaps more certain than ever of carrying the state. Ironic, no?

1) Forty-Eight Hours: The polls open in forty-eight hours, and the only question left is the margin of Obama's win. How many electoral votes will he carry? Which red states will turn blue this year? How many senators and representatives will travel to Washington on his coattails? 

Is that hubris? Presumption? Am I tempting the fates? No, not really. Perhaps a third of the votes have already been cast, and we have a fairly good idea how they break down. We've got reams and reams of polling data - this isn't 1948 - and the polls have continued right down to the wire. We don't know all of the details, but we can be certain of the headline.

There are reasons good and bad why most observers refrain from calling elections in advance. The risk of humiliation. The danger of discouraging voters from turning out, so corrosive to our democracy. The tightness of most national races, rendering them too close to call. Superstition. The thrill of suspense, and the ratings and readers it garners. 

But for better or worse, I'm calling this race. Nothing in life is certain; it's too high a standard to apply. But I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Barack Obama will win the election on Tuesday. And that's good enough for me.

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You know what's your problem, Fly? If you're wrong, there will be enough time for a good tarring and feathering before the country embarks on the inevitable journey to hell in a handbasket.

But I don't think you're wrong.

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I'll procure the feathers

=D

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Thanks for walking that through- and for the prediction. All very helpful to hear from a respected voice. Have you covered the potential effect of youth showing up, or not showing up, in a past post?

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Gallup took a look at this a few days ago, and confirmed my general sense that the importance of the youth vote in this election has probably been overstated. We haven't seen much evidence of a youth surge in the early balloting - in sharp contrast to the African-American vote. But as I've written above and elsewhere, I think Gallup has been too aggressive with its screening and has also likely undersampled certain groups, including young voters. So I suspect turnout will be up, but as a percentage of the electorate, only marginally - if at all.

How to account for the sense so many have of young voters being uniquely energized? Well, I think there are two things to bear in mind. The first is that in 2004, young voters went for Kerry over Bush, 54-45%. This year, Gallup puts it at 64-32%, and that may be conservative. So what we're all seeing is an epochal shift among young voters, which will likely make this a Democratic generation. There are millions more young Democratic voters this year than there were just four years ago. Then add to that the fact that many of these voters are more energized and engaged. Voting merely scratches the surface of political activism; we're seeing many young people take their involvement to the next level. So the combined effect is really quite striking to most observers. But I suspect the shift in affiliations, the wholesale abandonment of the GOP by young voters, will be a much bigger deal than any gain in overall turnout. (It also, incidentally, helps explain the surge among young voters in the Democratic primaries - a much higher percentage of young people are now Democrats.)

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As usual, Fly, a masterful post.

Personally, I'm pretty sure you're right. But if we're both wrong, there are better people to tar and feather. Other bloggers, take heed, and consider better victims.

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Good job of analysis...let's finish the job!

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There's some seriously talented people posting here at TPM.

FlyontheWall is one of them.

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FlyOnTheWall is the best of them.

I welcome the confident and well-researched prediction. (But if you had real cajones you'd give us an electoral count.)

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and Genghis is another of them.

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Great post Fly....what is your EV prediction??

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As Ghengis points out, I lack the drawers to pull that off. The problem with electoral vote counts is that you're multiplying the uncertainties. Also, it's worth remembering that beyond 270, they don't matter. So on Tuesday night I'll be focused on the popular vote and the senate races - that's where the action'll be.

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Yes, give us an EV prediction, Fly. I'm older and the suspense and tension of waiting for the results on Tuesday might cause me to have a stroke. Give us oldie liberals a break.

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So let me get this straight, McCain is not going to win? Damn, I just blew a wad of cash on Intrade. This will be worse then when I owned stock in Yugo. Still, I believe in a comeback. Not for McCain but for Yugo! Zastiva Motor Cars forever!

say the same, say it with shame

PALIN/mccain? 2008

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I'd been wondering who that was...thanks for coming forward to clear that up.

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Touching company loyalty Zebracat! Would you be interested in my rusted-out DeLorean?

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I thought De Loreans were stainless steel?

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the guy that sold it to me said it was a DeLorean. Let me go out and check..............

Can I interest you in a rusted out Toyota Corolla?

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Had one. Sadly, it ran better and required far less repair then my next 3 American made cars!

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I will be glad to Heat up the TAR for FLY!!!!

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Wow, Fly...what a well researched, thought out post. I am so glad you came to that great conclusion...the one we libs dare not express!! If I have learned anything from this campaign, it is that nothing is as it ever was. This is a new paradigm. The 'right' is stunned...who would have ever thought that a 'community organizer' could beat them at every contest? A skinny black man, with big ears and a funny name will be our President. A man who is one of us, but WAY smarter than we are (YAY!!), and who will speak to us as one adult to another adult, will lead us out of this morass we find ourselves in. Not being a particularly religious person, I am wondering....why is Obama here, right now, when we need him so much?

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It's great he's here now that we need him, but I've gotta say I'd have been happier to see him on the verge of election four years ago. :)

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Once again a fantastic post.

I've long thought black turnout was being underestimated, especially after Obama's margins in southern states consistently outperformed polling in the primaries. I'd be more surprised to see McCain win Colorado than Obama take Georgia. Anyway, it's going to be fun on Tuesday.

Incidentally, Dem fretting over Obama having a lead of 'only' 7 points in Pennsylvania is an amusing -- and welcome -- rejoinder to the dozens of liberal bloggers who confidently spun the numbers to project a Kerry win in 2004. I don't think of myself as a terribly credulous guy, but I walked into November fairly confident that voters would reject Republicans. So I can understand the more skittish reactions this time around. But from the moment I saw Barack Obama speak in Boston four years ago I knew one day he'd be President; from the first rumblings of an exploratory committee two years ago I was sure he'd win the White House this time. Maybe the fact that my confident predictions (and there were plenty of others) played out reveals more wisdom than I ever thought I had; more likely it's just been dumb luck to have backed a winner. Regardless, I've never lost faith. And I still haven't.

I recognize that I'm setting myself up for a crushing loss if Obama is somehow defeated on Tuesday. But I'll burn that bridge when I come to it.

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The really encouraging thing to me in Georgia is that the percentage of black votes in the pool started off at 39.5%, but stabilized in the second million cast at 35%. That is, the distribution has become constant.

That's great news because McCain needs it to spike down, to under 32%, or applying poll internals, he's done there.

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They stole 2000.

And 2004.

Don't let Republicans steal any more!

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Fly-on-the-wall, if this prediction "doesn't fly," it will only be because of all of us sitting at our computers instead of getting out and knocking on doors for the campaign . . . that, or because of election-rigging and vote suppression on a near-Zimbabwean scale.

Permit me to suggest a new title for the post; instead of "Five thoughts for Sunday," how about:

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

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If there's one thing Obama certainly hasn't needed in this campaign, it's a weatherman.

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Evidently the intended ironic humor of my post (appearing twice due to my confusion about TPM posting problems) eludes you.


With respect to Professor Ayers, I submit that citing Wikipedia as an authority is one step removed from citing "The Onion." But thanks for the link, it brought back a lot of memories.

It's true that "Prairie Fire" was unreadable even when it was published, and "Smash Monogamy" was stupid and erroneous. There is, however, an impressive list of political prisoners and martyrs at the beginning of "Prairie Fire" which remains as a testament to the fact that 40 years ago, people DID resist the system of institutionalized murder and terror that is the United States Government.

I agree with Ayers that the Weather Underground [in accordance with the first stirrings of what came to be known derisively as "Political Correctness", the name "Weatherman" was alleged to be sexist and was therefore neutered] wasn't a terrorist group, because after the idiocy of the so-called "Days of Rage," they didn't target civilians. If you count police officers as part of the system of imperialist oppression, which of course they are, their civilian status is forfeited--similarly to McCain's wingnut buddy Gordon Liddy's view of BATF agents.

I suppose I'll have to read Ayers' memoirs to learn whether or not he himself was arrested in Chicago in the 1969 "Days of Rage." I don't see how he could NOT have been, but then, there are always going to be the odd unanswered questions.

Fred Hampton, leader of the Illinois Black Panther party--and a certifiably genuine revolutionary--- vigorously denounced the Weatherman faction of SDS in a speech in front of Cook County Hospital in October, 1969. He said they were adventurists, not revolutionists. Two months later, Fred Hampton was murdered by law enforcement agents in a raid which amounted to a planned assassination. One of the survivors of that police fusillade, Bobby Rush, is presently in Congress. I have heard, though I don't know if it's true, that the first political race Mr. Obama tried was a primary challenge to Congressman Rush. Destiny is a mysterious thing.

The massive resistance against the Vietnam War should be contrasted with the absence of such a popular movement against the bloody US intervention in Central America under Reagan, and the waging of unprovoked war against Iraq under Junior Bush. The USA has blood on its hands, as empires have always had. The Weathermen were naive, adventuristic, solipsistic, and a lot of other "ics", but they tried to combat a great evil rather than to live lives of comfort and privilege. Of those who pulled back from the cliff edge in time, some did return to lives of relative comfort and privilege . . . perhaps a partial vindication of Marxist-Leninist class analysis after all,

If the discipline, restraint, and calculation deployed by Senator Obama do succeed in changing the direction of our nation, and reforming its foreign policy, and its environmental, economic, social justice, civil liberty defects---then we shall really have reason to celebrate the genius of America.

But if Obama's anticipated victory is stolen, or if an Obama administration becomes a second Clinton-style sell-out to corporate interests, then disillusionment will set in. After seeing the fascistic deployments at Denver and St. Paul this summer, there is little reason for euphoria, and if the crimes of the Bush-Cheney regime are brushed aside and forgiven, that itself will set the stage for later, even greater tragedies.

When Lincoln was elected, he didn't think the secessionists would follow through on their threats. Likewise, if Obama is elected, he will discover to his sorrow that the neocons and theocrats who run the GOP, and their propaganda apparatus of Limbaugh, Drudge, et al., will not reciprocate an invitation to work bi-partisanly to resolve problems.

No, they will launch a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners campaign of libel, scare-mongering, racial divisiveness, and hatred which will even exceed this year's election smears.

We may now proceed to find out if "working through the system" works. I hope it does . . . I enjoy politics.

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Fly-on-the-wall, if this prediction "doesn't fly," it will only be because of all of us sitting at our computers instead of getting out and knocking on doors for the campaign . . . that, or because of election-rigging and vote suppression on a near-Zimbabwean scale.

Permit me to suggest a new title for the post; instead of "Five thoughts for Sunday," how about:

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

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It's a bit late to knock on doors. And if we lose, it won't be because we didn't do enough, it will be because this country is totally FUBAR.

In the back of my mind I've felt confident for some time now, but of course the doubts creep in, and the illogic of politics makes anything seem possible. Your analysis is a diamond floating in a sea of bullshit. Thanks.

Prediction: Obama 349 McCain 189

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Back up prediction: Obama 273 McCain 265

(In case anybody thought I was getting greedy!)

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Here in Charlottesville*, there's an Obama campaign office, but no McCain campaign office. Naturally, this translates to a lot of GOTV efforts by the Obama campaign and none by the McCain campaign. Our landlord (a Republican running an apartment complex that's probably inhabited exclusively by Democrats), has put up a rather ugly "No Trespassing" sign, I believe, in order to discourage the door-knockers from canvasing the apartments. It's looking more and more likely like I won't be renewing my lease.

*Per Palin, we're actually part of real America, since we're in Virginia, but not part of NoVA (northern Virginia). I think that's only because she was ignorant about Charlottesville (among other things). We're one of the few university towns that is more liberal than the university itself.

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When I said it was a bit late, I meant it was actually "late" as in 11PM at night!

I had spent the afternoon making calls to some friends and family in PA, and I feel absolutely certain PA is in the Obama column. From what you are saying, and looking at the polls, VA seems pretty safe too.

Less than 1 day.

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Zogby's explanation sure is entertaining

Agreed.

Nearly the only thing a John Zogby poll is good for is a hearty laugh. I can not understand why anyone continues to cite him. He is truly excellent at spinning his failures (good use of his history degree, I suppose), but you would think the sheer magnitude of his errors would eventually cause problems with the MSM, who are ultimately the people burned by his absurd methodology. This IS the same person who called the 2004 race for Kerry to the tune of 311 electoral votes.

Oh well.

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I love how Nate Silver called it Zogby Lite Brite. That seems just about right.

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