Reich Rant
About thirty years ago during that recession, and the manufacturing sector took a massive hit, especially in the auto industry, we were told that 'service industries' would take hold and that's where the new jobs would be found.
Service industry. Being the child of an Industrial Rodent, I didn't know what the hell that was. I got educated. So, people were gonna pay other people to do things for them they could do for themselves, like clean their houses and walk their dogs and plan birthday parties. WTF???
"Well, that's just peachy," I said, "But, who's gonna make our stuff?"
"What stuff?"
"Our stuff! The stuff we need for living!"
"Like what?"
"Like toothpicks! Who is gonna make our toothpicks and cardboard boxes and pencils? Who is gonna make our silverware? Who is gonna make our stuff if everybody is off changing other peoples sheets and doing their laundry? So are all the laid off autoworkers supposed to become maids and butlers? And just where the fark are all these rich people coming from that can afford to pay displaced union factory workers $25 an hour to pick up dog poop? Huh?"
Well, by the time I got done ranting no body was listening anymore, so I shut up.
So, here I am 30 years later and I'm reading Dr. Reich say the exact same thing. That it's time for to retrain the workers to fill new jobs.
Reich:
Great. It's 1979 all over again. We all get to do poof work.
All those service jobs, the IT jobs, customer service jobs, that we were supposed to trade for the manufacturing jobs three decades ago, where are those jobs now?
Overseas, that's where. Twenty people in India know my sad, sad story I had to tell when I was late once with a credit card payment, but nobody in the office here in the US was home to take my call.
So we get to go through all this crap again.
And once again, the union workers are gonna lay on their backs and settle for a tummy rub when they should be in the streets with pitchforks. Who's a goo-boy. who's a goo-boy?
"We don't want to lose our jobs," they whine. Well, who the hell does? Do you actually believe the crap you spout about 'doing our part to save the economy, save the industry, save the jobs'? Do you actually believe your concessions will 'save' anything?
HA!
Your industries are going bankrupt. Government bailouts WILL NOT SAVE ONE AMERICAN FACTORY WORKER JOB. Government bailouts only help the monied.
Dr. Reich's blog 'The Future of Manufacturing, GM, and American Workers' is Part I. I'll be waiting for Part II. But, I think I already know how the story turns out.
Oh, yeah. Two months ago I bought a box of toothpicks. They were made in China.
Service industry. Being the child of an Industrial Rodent, I didn't know what the hell that was. I got educated. So, people were gonna pay other people to do things for them they could do for themselves, like clean their houses and walk their dogs and plan birthday parties. WTF???
"Well, that's just peachy," I said, "But, who's gonna make our stuff?"
"What stuff?"
"Our stuff! The stuff we need for living!"
"Like what?"
"Like toothpicks! Who is gonna make our toothpicks and cardboard boxes and pencils? Who is gonna make our silverware? Who is gonna make our stuff if everybody is off changing other peoples sheets and doing their laundry? So are all the laid off autoworkers supposed to become maids and butlers? And just where the fark are all these rich people coming from that can afford to pay displaced union factory workers $25 an hour to pick up dog poop? Huh?"
Well, by the time I got done ranting no body was listening anymore, so I shut up.
So, here I am 30 years later and I'm reading Dr. Reich say the exact same thing. That it's time for to retrain the workers to fill new jobs.
Reich:
I call this "symbolic analytic" work because most of it has to do with analyzing, manipulating and communicating through numbers, shapes, words, ideas. Symbolic-analytic work can't be directly touched or held in your hands, as goods that come out of factories can be. In fact, many of these tasks are officially classified as services rather than manufacturing.
Great. It's 1979 all over again. We all get to do poof work.
All those service jobs, the IT jobs, customer service jobs, that we were supposed to trade for the manufacturing jobs three decades ago, where are those jobs now?
Overseas, that's where. Twenty people in India know my sad, sad story I had to tell when I was late once with a credit card payment, but nobody in the office here in the US was home to take my call.
So we get to go through all this crap again.
And once again, the union workers are gonna lay on their backs and settle for a tummy rub when they should be in the streets with pitchforks. Who's a goo-boy. who's a goo-boy?
"We don't want to lose our jobs," they whine. Well, who the hell does? Do you actually believe the crap you spout about 'doing our part to save the economy, save the industry, save the jobs'? Do you actually believe your concessions will 'save' anything?
HA!
Your industries are going bankrupt. Government bailouts WILL NOT SAVE ONE AMERICAN FACTORY WORKER JOB. Government bailouts only help the monied.
Dr. Reich's blog 'The Future of Manufacturing, GM, and American Workers' is Part I. I'll be waiting for Part II. But, I think I already know how the story turns out.
Oh, yeah. Two months ago I bought a box of toothpicks. They were made in China.
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We got lots of lumber around here. A toothpick making machine could come in handy.
Where can we get one?
May 29, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can probably get one from China. Cheap. ;o)
May 29, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yez
It's a rather shoddy bill of goods they are selling.
I just wish folks would quit buying it.
May 29, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flowerchild, this is brilliant! You've got it exactly right. Why aren't the workers ranting? I'm baffled.
I wish this could be plastered up on every union hall across the country.
Good job.
May 29, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because the workers are tired, stressed, and in debt up to their eyeballs.
Neat trick, eh?
May 29, 2009 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hereby withdraw my recommendation to Mr. Reich.
May 29, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the revolution should start in Michigan. You with me, 'gander?
May 29, 2009 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I'm always on the lookout for a good revolution, Ramona. I'm in!
May 29, 2009 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
They still make toothpicks in Cloquet, MN. I've seen them doing it.
May 29, 2009 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gonna look for 'em, grouch. Really. Made in the USA. They've gotta be in a store here somewhere. Either that, or I'll whittle my own.
May 29, 2009 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Diamond Brands. Toothpicks, party picks, wooden matches. A most impressive plant tour.
May 30, 2009 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've seen the Diamond brand! I buy their wooden matches. :o) Should be able to find their toothpicks too, then.
May 30, 2009 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.buyamerican.com/
May 29, 2009 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chi migwetch (thank you very much) for the link to buying Murican, Bwak!
You are quite the chicken, you know. :o)
May 29, 2009 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flower and Ramona, two for the workers. Hip, hip, hurrah Yay, yay
May 29, 2009 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, I HOPE there are more than two of us!
May 29, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
two-and-a-third
at least
May 29, 2009 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
My flipper's in!
May 29, 2009 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me, too!
May 29, 2009 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woof. Bark.
Me too.
May 30, 2009 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
The air traffic controllers fought Reagan and lost.
Reagan started the "conservative" (read corporatist) "revolution."
H.W. extended it.
Clinton jumped on board with the corporatists and we got NAFTA and lots of unions lost.
Meanwhile the corporate spin machine did a great job turning the "average" citizen against the BAD unions. Somehow convincing the schmucks that they could do a better job negotiating individually with their employer (HA). As you note, flowerchild, selling the bill of goods that those "dirty" "low wage" "unskilled" manufacturing jobs would go off to the (assumedely naive and worth exploiting) Mexicans (and beyond them to a world of brown people who were obviously also deserving of exploitation). But U.S. "workers" would all become high end "service" workers, "knowledge and information workers," blah blah blah. And what we got was declining wages, lots of low end jobs, loss of benefits, cuts in education and social services. Blah blah blah.
As globalization progressed and living wage manufacturing jobs were shed like dead skin after a sun burn, the "white" collar folks ignored or cheered - thinking it was just "other people's jobs" on the line with "globalization." Thenwoke up to find their jobs flying the friendly skies as well. Not only that, corps pushed for (and got) extensions on bringing in "highly skilled" international workers to meet the SHORTAGE of "skilled" people in the U.S. (HA HA!)
Meanwhile "globalize this" came to rule the day,and the individuals who didn't make it were labeled "too stupid and unmotivated" to get off their asses and WORK.
Then the corporatists were in office for a flipping lifetime it seemed. Bush giving glowing rhetoric about community colleges and universities preparing people for the "jobs of the 21st Century." I got lots of s**t at my college for asking "Exactly what jobs are those?" "To be test subjects for bio-cyber-human experimental 'future war fighters?'" (Yeah, not well received at all)
And here WE are. And here is Reich who helped shape the current mess is telling us that the new jobs are in ... wait for it ... Vaporware.
That quote you gave was EXCELLENT. Just how many of these fabulous new jobs are there going to be? More than 7 million of them (the current amount of officially unemployed in the US)? "Symbolic-analytic work" must ultimately be put to some use must it not? What makes people in the US particularly suited to this mystical field of endeavor?
You are RIGHT ON with this issue flowerchild! SHOUT it from the roof tops and the blog tops!
Sorry for the rant - this is a veeeerrrry long term sore spot for me.
May 29, 2009 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I approve of the above rant and I would give my bear back to Rowan as a prize, but...
I love this bear. (hugs bear fiercely)
I will, however, surrender it into Rowans custody on weekends and odd holidays.
(closes eyes....hands bear to rowan)
May 29, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh dear Bwak. I am touched to tears by the offer, but I simply can't accept. This bear is clearly as attached to you as you are to it. I can see the tears in its eyes at the thought of leaving you. Not only that, its little fluffy heart would get soaked through and through staying with me. So let the thought stand for the gift.
(hands bear back with a big hug and an itsy bitsy towel)
May 29, 2009 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh mmmmy
Oh! This bear haz a friend!
=D
(runs out)
It's a BLACK bear! The one LisB and I saw last weekend!!
It loves your rant, too! It sez it wants to be yer prize and that it likes peanut butter sammiches.
(gingerly escorts black bear to rowans house)
It wants a cel phone tho.
May 29, 2009 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome Bwak and friend!
Please make yourself at home. If you don't mind too much, I would like to call you Amika. It means friend in Esperanto and I don't speak black bear too well yet. Could we share a cell phone? I don't use mine much and you can have it most of the time. I also have an orange vest so the hunters will think you're just "one of the guys."
I'll make us up some peanut butter sandwiches, and I have homemade plum jam from our own trees here.
Thanks so much Bwak. You are so sweet to bring a new member of the family!
May 30, 2009 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
he sez
gggrrrllick
(clink)
May 30, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rant on!
I hope more people rant here or on other blogs. Let it out! Don't just lay down and take it....no one has to take crap just because that's all you're offered. Demand what you're worth!
Ramona, my fellow Michigander, also has a blog up about this issue.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/ramona/2009/05/sure-road-to-success---stick-i.php?ref=reccafe
May 29, 2009 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the introduction to Ramona, and I will check out her post as well.
Yes flower, I think it is well past time for some righteous anger.
May 30, 2009 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Flowerchild. Great piece.Only one way to say this - Fuck Reich. I mean Yadda yadda, the guy's smart. But we knew this strategy was crap when it really got going under Reagan, and now Reich shows up, 25 gd years later, going on and on and on about how the American worker has lost ground, even though there's now 2 adults working and together they got 3 jobs and piles of debt and no health care and their kids education sucks and BTW we're diving into depression, and now this asshole wants to REPEAT the experiment? Like, we're in a MUCH better starting place than we were before Robert.
His ideas are 30 years old, and it's time he was pastured. And I'm so sick of the left and Democrats putting the worst of the worst in charge - Summers et al - so as to appease big money; and then which critics get highlighted by the media? Reich and Krugman? Not wanting to be rude or anything, but Reich's burned out and Krugman's a big big fan of free trade and globalization, so that's a huge difference of opinion, eh?
Further rants over at Ramona's.
Kick ass, take names. Repeat.
May 29, 2009 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
(Heaves coconut cream pie in Quinns general direction)
Runs.
May 29, 2009 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bwak, if yer gonna throw pies on this here thread o'mine, could you at least make them lemon meringue?
:o)
May 29, 2009 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank God. Coconut cream. Good call, Bwak. And not a bad arm. Wing. Whatever you heaved with. Thanks.
May 30, 2009 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
My wattles. People think they are useless appendages.
Go figger. (hides lemon meringue behind tail feathers)
(whistles Beethoven's 5th)
May 30, 2009 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kicking. Taking. Repeating. Got it.
May 29, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quinn, I don't think the left got to pick Reich, or Geithner, nor any other economic "adviser" for anybody. Personally, this left (wing) doesn't even care much for capitalism. And personally, I've been damn disappoint it Obama's economic "team." Otherwise, I am in full agreement with you. And I've got some boots that are great for mucking in.
May 30, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so sick of the Sunday School stories about "capitalism." It's been 30 solid years of their tosh. Morons on TV babbling, so dumb they equate the free market with free enterprise with free trade with freedom of choice with private property this and the business community that and economic growth smeared all over the top, and let's watch the Dow and the GDP and see how our lives are doing. Shit, this is the talk of priests and true believers, speaking in tongues.
Capitalism?!! I donno what this shit is that we have, but I'll be damned if it resembles "capitalism" or "free markets" or anything like the story books told us. What this is today is plain and simple - it's the powerful doing whatever the fuck they want with people. These clowns are changing their tack, changing their beliefs, changing their facts, daily, hourly. This is kleptocracy. This is Russia, post-collapse. And the best regular people seem can hope for right now is that the whole damn thing doesn't fall apart and go to hell. And on a personal level, that their boat floats. Th-th-th-that's all folks!
People wanna debate this and make it sound like it has some connection to normal times, so they talk about Keynes and FDR and what % of GDP the deficit should be, and I can't even stammer a response. We can't even measure this shit anymore. We cannot measure it. Go ahead, try and get an answer as to how much we just poured into the financial sector. Was it $700 billion or $7 trillion? Damned if I know. Damned if they know. This is not something your grandfather's accountant could handle. Nor FDR's.
Reich, Krugman, Geithner? They're just trying to salvage the ship. Keep it all from going under and manage to stay topside. Sound like they've got a grip. "Symbolic analytics." Reich actually lists, in his fabulous growth sector - lawyers, journalists, management consultants, advertizers, salespeople, etc. Yeah. What the world needs now, is... more American lawyers. And oh, for a good US journalist. (Anyone know any?) Any more smoke from your ass, Robert, and the EPA'd shut you down.
Goodnight chillun, and fear not, it's All Right Now.
Oh yeah. Hit that button babies. Play that a few times. DAMN!
May 30, 2009 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 30, 2009 7:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Karl. Typical - you'd rather argue over the meaning of capital than play a perfectly great song by Free. All I can say is, you had many many volumes to give us your views, and Vol 2 was a particularly sleepy effort, and if I were you I'd just have taken Grundrisse straight to print, but bottomline, we're all under pressure here, so unless you can come up with a song, I'm afraid you're no longer in the competition. And no, I do not want to see another video of Susan Boyle. Something original Karl. And yes, the Leningrad Cowboys miiiiiiight work.
So... whaddya got?
May 30, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
How long has this been goin' on?
How long has this been goin' on?
Well, your friends with their fancy persuasions
Won't admit that it's part of a scheme,
But I can't help but have my suspicions
'Cause I ain't quite as dumb as I seem.
And you said you were never intendin'
To break up our scene in this way,
But there ain't any use in pretendin',
It could happen to us any day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBhwfMdxCPI
May 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome Dick. I been lovin' Ace for a LONG time. School days.
However. Apparently, that little song didn't quite hit the spot for Karl. Not his era. Best guess - I'd have to say Karl's more a Disco Lad.
Next best thing to Pie, baby. Puddin'.
May 30, 2009 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Q the only thing that bothers me about this disco is that $240 could buy almost 24 packs of cigs for poor people or prisoners... but I digress.
The proof may be in the pudding, BUT THE TASTE IS IN THE PIE.
THE END
May 30, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go quinn! Yes, "kleptocracy" is one way of capturing what has arisen.
May 30, 2009 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Revolt against what?
The global economy is here to stay. There is no way to put the toothpaste back in the tube, even if we wanted to. The standard of living in the United States is going to go down, as the standard of living in the underdeveloped world is going to go up until we've reached some sort of equilibrium.
I do not think there is anyway to avoid it, and in truth, it's only fair. We've consumed far more than our share of the world's resources for far too long, and it's time to pay the piper.
The biggest problem (outside of peak oil)is...how do we, as a country even survive? We are broke. We can't afford the safety nets everyone needs. How do you "make" jobs, even if you want to?
California is going to be the first casualty. All but one of the propositions designed to get us out of our financial mess failed, giving the Governor a mandate to cut services to the bare bones. Many of the programs that will be cut are penny-wise, pound foolish. It's going to be a frickin' mess, and the rest of the country should be paying attention, because although we're leading the way in the downward spiral, y'all are going to be following us. It's going to be a wild ride.
The lack of jobs means less taxes collected, which means fewer services, which means fewer companies relocate here, and others leave, meaning fewer jobs, and even less taxes collected...It's going to be ugly.
So again, I ask...revolt against what?
May 29, 2009 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, my friend, that's the corporate line. I am surprised you bought into it...
Only fair? Fair that we allow exploitation in foreign lands and then lay back and say, that's fair? Now we'll all run that loser race to to the bottom? What?
I think we know better. I think I could lift your comments from a Dickens-era op ed, Still. This ain't anything new.
Somehow, I dunno, you aren't being idealistic, or anything near it. What the world needs is for us to FIX our course, in able to enable same elsewhere.
We're letting everyone down.
May 29, 2009 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to deny either the reality or the wrong of labor exploitation, but "we're keeping all our jobs here, because we don't want to exploit you" sounds a bit disingenuous.
Spittin' rage at corporate fat cats is a small step in the right direction. Returning to a more progressive tax system is a bigger one.
And a giant step -- one among many -- might come from reevaluating the nature and value of the work we do. Reich's symbolic analytic has been the next step up for middle class families for a generation. Now, in addition to being saturated in cheap crap we don't need, our labor pool is glutted with white collar professionals, the majority of whom are condemned to endless downsizing and cubicle hell. This wasn't just foisted on us by the ruling elite. It is what we wanted.
Even where I live, an old textile town that has never fully recovered, welding jobs that pay $100,000 out of the blocks go unfilled. Why? It's dangerous, dirty work. The kind other folks ought to be doing.
May 30, 2009 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Respectfully, that is not what I said, so the quote marks are a little rude. If we exported our jobs with our labor standards and wage standards and environmental standards, I wouldn't have a problem with it. That is not what is happening.
As far as the $100K welding jobs go, that is entirely another issue. The problem there was the babyboomers. Those jobs were held for 30 years, but the feeder programs, the journeymen programs were not. Those programs were victims of downsizing. So now all the boomers are retiring and the reason there is no one to take their place is due to the lack of oversight from the industry. Same thing is happening to linemen in the phone company. They cut a lot of those positions and didn't want to pay to train others, so don't blame people for that.
They are looking for experienced welders, not newbies, and those people do not exist. THOSE people were told yo go into retraining and did.
May 30, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Bwak. Wasn't my intention to offend. If I were citing you I'd have used blockquotes.
The tech college here has courses and commitments from employers. They can't fill the classrooms.
May 30, 2009 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just curious, how much is the tuition?
May 30, 2009 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do sound a little fatalistic, don't I?
I was not a fan of NAFTA...I thought at the time that good jobs were going to be leaving, never to be seen again. Since then I have wondered what the hell Americans are going to do for jobs, and I continue to wonder about that.
After I wrote my comment I went over and read the original Reich post and saw a comment that offered a glimmer of hope...unionizing the rest of the world so that there is no benefit to the jobs being sent overseas.
Additionally, as I continue to mull the situation over, peak oil may have a bit of a silver lining in that the more expensive transporting all this crap from overseas becomes, the more likely it will be that we begin making our own again.
I'm a bit bummed by the California vote, and it's putting me in blue funk, which has bled over into my comment. I hope you guys are right...but what's the game plan?
How do you even BEGIN to halt the loss of our middle class? I'm willing to help, I just don't know how...
May 30, 2009 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
#1. Imprison all the right wing zealots, CEOs and anyone making in excess of $1,000,000 a year. Preferably in Gitmo.
#2. Carpool to the Nations Capitol and gently, but firmly remove each and every representative and fling them into the nearest polluted body of water. (Probably the Potomic) Codename: The great flush.
#3. Replace said reps with the best and brightest of their aides.
#4. Go home, take over your supervisors job, give everyone a wage hike except for the upper management who will receive a wage cut to balance the books.
#5. Love our children.
May 30, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
You probably didn't mean to make me laugh, but you did! And I didn't think I'd be laughing tonight!
But, seriously, as unlikely as it is that your suggestions will ever be implemented, they just might work!!!
Thanks for yanking my head out of my butt, Miss Perky Feathers!
May 30, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just pack extra sammiches for the carpool. Rowan will bring her black bear.
=D
I love you Still
May 30, 2009 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love you, too, Bwak! Let's skip the sammiches and stick w/ cheesecake! (or brownies...!)
May 30, 2009 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not entirely unserious.
Remember Obamas inauguration?
Can you imagine a crowd like that showing up and demanding justice? I think, we'd get it.
May 30, 2009 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please define justice in this context...what would we be demanding, exactly?
May 30, 2009 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reparations.
Stolen wages from the last 30 years. As well as, refunds from any interest charged over 12%, and any fees suffered from misdirection and lack of decent grace periods from banks, (see Rowans WAMU blog) from banks and non-paid medical billed from our insurance companies. once that is settled, there will be no more trouble.
May 30, 2009 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aside from #5, what can really be done?
May 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
All of it can be, but it likely won't be.
They'll most likely be riots in the street before any of it happens. (storm the Bastille!!)
Of course, it's just best to keep ones head down and wring ones hands. Right? Standing up for justice is risky. Might get one arrested or something. That's the royalist line, and luckily for us and our forbearers it was the outlook that lost.
May 30, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe in standing up for justice. I won't sign up for a revolution until I'm sure it's not swapping a gray suited kleptocracy for another one in fatigues and funny hats. The track record for revolutions in our century ain't all that good.
May 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Point.
I don't see any leaders emerging in suits or fatigues. Maybe bluemeanie jeans would work. You busy?
May 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, Bwak, being a symbolic analytic is consuming all my time. Plus my jeans are in the wash.
I do have ideas. I hope I'll find the energy and commitment to try some of them out in my lifetime. I'm interested in revitalizing social communities -- supporting real participatory democracy at the grassroots.
And I love working with my hands.
Some of the things Rowan mentions in her great post downstream make a whole lot of sense to me. The trick is to help people gain enough peripheral vision to make them happen.
Peace.
May 30, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
idealistic, we have to reframe the whole issue of economy. As a social institution, the function of the economy is the production and distribution of goods and services. In other words, what we do day to day to survive. We already know that the current system has failed.
You stay "the global economy is here to stay." Sorry, but the global economy is in the toilet and they are throwing the resources of the world at trying to patch it back together.
We know that we (the world) needs a "sustainable" path. We know that the current system exists on exploitation and that is just not going to work anymore for a variety of reasons. Have you seen all the warnings about the "civil unrest" and threat to governments being put out?
There are many ways forward - not just one. The people reclaiming the commons is one option. Looking at the whole concept of "ownership" is another.
The heck with rebuilding the "middle class." Everyone should be able to be "middle class" - whatever that means.
But first, we need to step outside the conceptual box we are in.
May 30, 2009 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, help me out here...paint me a picture of how you would fix this mess. What we have been doing hasn't worked...so what do you think WOULD work?
May 30, 2009 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
First, I would be telling the big financiers to figure out their own problem, and I would absolutely squash the derivatives market until they can control it. Then I would take the bailout money and refinance the mortgages through community financial institutions. I would call a moratorium on foreclosures, and figure out ways to keep people in their homes.
I would take part of that money for stipends and to help workers reorganize at least some of the businesses that are shutting their doors.
I would call a moratorium on CEO pay and outrageous bonuses - particularly of they are doing mass layoffs.
In the case of the auto industry, I would switch them to producing fuel efficient fleets and busses for government and mass transit. AND I would put them to work figuring out engine retrofits to upgrade the existing cars on the road - not focused on making new cars. Hell most of us can't afford them anyway. No WAY would I let GM figure out a bankruptcy or merger when "we the people" own 72% of the company.
I would encourage the creation of local energy coops to help folks weatherize and switch to renewable options for their abodes. I would hire and train an army of folks to train others and to facility energy efficiency, neighborhood clean ups, etc.
I would put seed funds into good micro-lending programs.
I would but funds in place for folks and business to engage in skills and service trading, barter and local currency programs, and community gardens and food processing and storage.
I would reach out to marginalized peoples and communities to help them identify their crucial issues and facilitate generating solutions that meet their particular needs.
I could go on all night long.
Hope that conveys what things might look like.
May 30, 2009 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
For those who go "local currency WHAT?" This article today from IPS DEVELOPMENT: Local Currencies Really Can Buy Happiness.
Synchronicity
May 30, 2009 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rowan, these ideas are BRILLIANT. And best of all, workable. I'm putting you in charge, but I'll be behind you all the way. . .
May 30, 2009 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Ramona. I'd rather there be lots of leaders from lots of places. My suggestions are just "logical." I have been tearing my hair out (like MANY others) over this slide into hegemonic capitalism for a long time. Problematically, it has been virtually unchecked since the 1980s, but certainly having its roots well before that in the U.S. (United Fruit Company jog any memories, Panama?).
May 30, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very well put, Rowan. A lot of what you suggest may very well come to pass. Some already has, or at least has begun to. Just not fast or far enough.
May 30, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Those are some great ideas! Not sure how realistic some of them are, i.e. Do you really think our esteemed leaders in Congress have balls enough to mess with CEO pay? I can see how you could exert some control over companies through the tax code (penalize companies that are laying off and rewarding those who are hiring) but how is it even legal to tell companies what they can pay their employees (or are you only talking about those companies who have taken TARP money?)
But, for coming right off the top of your head, I'm impressed.
May 30, 2009 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You ain't kiddin' it's gonna be ugly. I don't know who's going down first, Michigan or California. The guv here just cut services to our veterans for cryin' out loud...our buget is already bare bones. Now we're about to dig out the marrow.
You ask a good question, though. Revolt against what? Maybe that is the reason there is hardly more than a whimper from union workers or workers in general for that matter. No one knows who or what to revolt against. A revolution can be cleansing, though.
The global economy is here to stay, true. But, there's always been a global economy. The spice trade, the silk road, import and export, tulips. It's just recently that it has exploded with cheap labor....it sort of knocked everything out of balance, and it should follow that their standard of living would improve with the expansion of manufacturing over there or down yonder, but has it? I mean, it's been long enough they've been shipping their stuff to be sold here, they should be out of the shanty towns by now, one would think. They're not. Their kids are still drinking water out of mud puddles. The obscenely rich get richer.
And now in our own country, we have way more shanty towns and tent cities than the norm. I hate to think the equilibrium we eventually reach isn't that we're all in shanty towns.
Regardless of where we end up economically, we always will need stuff. We don't need 25 million cars manufactured every year. But, we do need around 12 million, just to maintain the fleet. We need clothes. We need sheets and blankets. We need pots and pans and silverware. So do the people in the underdeveloped countries.
I have no doubt we will survive as a country. Our national soul may be frayed around the edges, got a couple poke holes in it, but, we'll be alright.
But, you're right, Still. It's gonna get ugly first.
May 30, 2009 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is ugly.
Time to fix it.
May 30, 2009 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. We don't need to manufacture that many cars. As for clothes and household goods--We almost never need to buy new. Thrift stores, garage sales, flea markets. . .nearly everything you'll ever need if you don't demand new and shiny.
Already people are changing their attitudes about having to have the newest, biggest and best. The irony is that, except for the retailers, it can't hurt us now since we don't really make anything, anyway.
May 30, 2009 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
go ahead
build something yourself
May 30, 2009 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
No problem.
See, that's the thing. Builders know they can.
Leeches scoff. That's all they got.
May 30, 2009 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're asking me to build something? Or challenging me?
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May 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
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Uh . . .
Here's a bit of "symbolic analytic" work for ol' Reich right here . . .
Stick a plug in that piehole Bob.
He's past useless.
~OGD~
May 30, 2009 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The jack of all jobs. The lack of parades.
The prick of all lobes. The sob of freetrade.
“Symbolic analytic?” Reich is proposing a job we’ve already been doing here at TPMC. What’s up with that? He must get paid. Where do we get paid for thinking outside the box - when the BOX is the PROBLEM? Or maybe I’m missing something here. Like our democracy turned upside down. Our country disdains artists for the most part, mainly because we speak to the options of the legalized wage-slavery that feeds the monsters. Unless you are an American idol, the opportunities to practice your art AND get paid are few and far between. He can shove his symbolic up his analytic. Our system disdains artists for the most part (unless they’re dead) mainly because we speak to the options of the legalized wage-slavery that feeds the monsters.
We are not evening out. The ultra rich have all the money and just because I’m taking it sitting down due to disabilities doesn’t mean I don’t understand that OUR money is in the thieving hands of the corporate autocracy. Even out of work, even out of affordable organic food, even out of civil liberties, even out of healthcare. And although I’d like to have an evening out once in awhile, I would like more than to get even. We are not out of power. We just don't know it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCv2MHijyzE
May 30, 2009 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, and great link.
And from Lennon, Power to the People
May 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link, I haven't listened to this guy for a while. How old is this song, twenty-five, thirty years? And, it was an old story then.
May 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
So right, Strato. We are not out of power. The energy is there, it just needs to be harnessed together and told in what direction to go.
Rock on.
May 30, 2009 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Think about what has happened in our country since last fall.
Capitalism has completely failed in every way as a result of it's own inherent, unrestrained greed and inability to regulate itself. The guys who have been in charge for all our lifetimes have finally exposed themselves as the greedy, irresponsible, selfish, thoroughly incompetent swine that they are.
What has been proposed as a solution?
First, the taxpayers have had to cover almost all the losses created by the greedy, irresponsible, selfish, thoroughly incompetent swine to the tune of about 12 Trillion dollars or something like that when you include all the extra legislative hocus pocus pulled by Bernanke on behalf of the very richiest and most culpable.
Will any measures be taken to force the wealthy to start making real investements from now on and in this country instead of just engaging in nothing more than speculation? No.
The people must demand better or they will get nothing but more of the same coddling of the rich assholes tht got us in this mess to begin with.
May 30, 2009 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's well past the time for the workers to get a little coddling. At the very least, GIVE US A PORTABLE HEALTH PLAN.
May 30, 2009 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marx said it at the start, "Workers of the world unite!" The unions did not unify the workers of the world, but the world's industry has united. It's called the WTO. Unions let down PATCO under Reagan. That was the canary in the coal mine. It was ignored. There should not have been a single pilot, flight attendant, baggage handler, or floor sweeper going to work until they were given the concessions they needed.
That belly rub to the unions is really accurate. That union feels appeased while the jobs continue to go overseas. The nation gave the auto makers a bailout as did the unions!!! There is a minoirity of people running the country because the majority cannot get their collective sh*t together. We are divided and conquered. But the game is never over and tomorrow we will have to wake up and do it all again. Hopefully, we can do it better.
May 30, 2009 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this is the problem, isn't it? People are everywhere enticed by substitute progressivism in the form of economic nationalism. Fragmentation of global labor, with lots of ranting and raving in each country about the failure of the local national government to keep "our" jobs from going to "them", keeps us all divided and weak, just they way our plutocratic leaders want it.
That is what the affluent want: a running economic gang war of the weak against the weak, with all the wealthy global godfathers hiring out their services to the lowly gangbangers, and serving as patriotic kingpins of the global protection racket called "the state system". They build the weaponry that they then sell to us for a king's ransom, which we can then use to threaten and kill each other. It keeps us all in line and at each others' necks, just the way they like it. Meanwhile they reap massively exploitive profits by virtue of the political weakness of their underlings.
May 30, 2009 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is what the affluent want: a running economic gang war of the weak against the weak
Dan- you've really nailed it. Any solution suggestions?
May 30, 2009 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there is always, "Workers of the world unite!"
And by "workers" I mean everybody below the top one or two percent.
May 30, 2009 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
BINGO!!! Anyone not in the top 2% is gettting screwed. If the next tier was to wake up, the top would be lost. They need the cooperation of those below them to advance their goals. It's absurd how many are willing to cater to them.
May 31, 2009 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I found this in my inbox this morning...
I'm not sure what to make of it, but I found it interesting:
BAR STOOL ECONOMICS
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100,,,If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing,,,The fifth would pay $1,,,The sixth would pay $3,,,The seventh would pay $7,,, The eighth would pay $12,,,The ninth would pay $18,,,The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59,,,So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80,,,The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings),,,The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings),,,The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%! savings),,,The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings),,,The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings),,,The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings),,,Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings,,,
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!',,,'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!',,,'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!',,,'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!',,,The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up,,,
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier. For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible,,,
May 31, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
SI, I'm sure someone else has a nice pithy response to this kind of point. Let me try two points:
1. The US has a pretty progressive income tax policy by a lot of measures. And the rich overall pay a big percentage of the government revenue. It can look unfair if you think of it in terms of "everyone in their corner making money and then getting together around the bar-table to pay for communal (i.e. government) expenses". But it's an overly simplistic picture. The 'money-making' happens within a context of regulations and government-paid infrastructure, corporate subsidy, etc. So take finance. The eventual cost of the bail-out is difficult to estimate, but conservatively estimated 2 trillion (Schumer's on the record estimating 3-4 trillion). That's straight subsidy to financial firms, where the cost goes to the broader tax-payer base, and the financial firms' subsidized 'profits' go essentially to the top 1% of income-earners.
2. This talking point also starts to get strange at some point. There is huge inequality in the US. So the top 1% contribute a higher percentage of overall government revenue than the top 1% in Europe. But that is because the top 1% in the US is richer than the top 1% in Europe. Because of the greater gap between rich and poor. So you can use these statistics as an argument for lowering the tax rate on the rich, OR you can use it as an argument for lowering inequality to European levels, by changing the regulatory structure, labor markets, social safety net, etc.
3. There is also the question, wouldn't the rich leave if their taxes go up? Take a look at Scandinavia. Yes, some young people who want to make A LOT of money left in the nineties and aughties, going to London and New York to work in Finance, because of high Scandinavian tax-rates. They've made a lot of money, and still are, thanks to UK and US government bailouts. Scandinavian society (and finance) is shielded from a lot of the harsher effects of the crash thanks to stricter regulation and stronger safety net. And they really haven't missed those little Gordon Gekkos who left. And not all that many left. Economic growth has been comparable to that of the States. In Scandinavia income isn't an important determinant of social status, so people preen themselves on doing something 'interesting' or 'innovative'. It seems an all round healthier attitude to life.
So the short answer to this kind of e-mail is
"And Scandinavia?".
May 31, 2009 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Above is a quote from an AP article read this morning.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090530/ap_on_bi_ge/us_automakers
More concessions from the UAW.
So, who's next? The Teamsters? Will they be the next to make concessions? Or the garment workers? Oh, the Teachers unions....yeah, they are not well loved by many. When the time rolls around to get serious about education, will the teachers be asked to make concessions to 'make it work'?
The labor segment of the population certainly does need to get it's collective shite together, GZap. No lie.
May 30, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe it was Reagan who fired the air traffic controllers--because they went on strike. So what was Patco supposed to do?
May 30, 2009 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I said, it was not PATCO's fault they lost. It was the failure of any other union in the airline industry to support them. The unions divided and were conquered.
Riddle me this! Who is more organized, the airline and it's monolithic corporate structure, or the several and distinct pilots, flight attendants, baggage handlers and mechanics unions?
May 31, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
" Two months ago I bought a box of toothpicks. They were made in China."
That's where your silver ware is made too.
I'm with you, flower; especially the "Reich is not as smart as he thinks he is" part. Did you see the other day where he said that since Obama can't get Congress to tax the uber wealthy to pay for health care he should tax the middle class (via taxing benefits)? I was infuriated!
But what I don't get is this -- if the workers take to the streets with pitchforks, what are they going to say? "YOU MUST BUY OUR CARS!"
Truth is, "the worker" has no weight to throw in this battle. I am very discouraged. Glad you wrote this though -- history sure has a way of repeating itself, huh?
May 30, 2009 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, and I read his piece about funding higher education, too. (At least, I think it was his.) Maddening.
"YOU MUST BUY OUR CARS!"
That cracked me up a little, CVille. No, workers with pitchforks would not be demanding that...their demands would be for fair pay, safe working conditions, decent treatment. And I refuse to believe that workers have no voice. They do. They do have "weight". If every worker just stopped working....just stopped, even for one day, one hour, everyone would know exactly how much power they really do have.
May 30, 2009 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wonderful post! For a long time now I've been urging people to have a skill that can only be performed in person!
Here's a great article from the Times Magazine about a guy with a Ph.D. in political philosophy who repairs motorcycles:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24labor-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=magazine%20motor%20cycle%20repair&st=cse
Title: The Case for Working With Your Hands
May 30, 2009 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe update your post with that link. (only if you want - but it's a great story and fits exactly with this post!)
May 30, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks! and thanks for the link. Having more than one skill set does come in handy from time to time and if you have the luxury of being able to develop them, you are that much further ahead.
Speaking of...I am falling behind in my walking around in real life chores so I'm going to exit, stage left, and finish mowing the yard. One of many skills I have honed over the years. ;o) I will be checking back in a few hours from now.
May 30, 2009 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post. Its ironic that a flowerchild should decry the deindustrialization of our country. The hippie ideology of the baby boomer generation was one of the key wedges used to destroy the coalition that FDR forged between farmers, labor, the urban and rural poor and working classes. Helped destroy the Democratic Party as the organizing force of that coalition. Paved the way for a fascist corporatist like Nixon to come in and appeal to the worst impulses of the working class - racism, America right or wrong support for an immoral war, etc. Not something you wanna hear, but I was a middle class hippy myself, born into plenty, the son of a man who worked his way up from the factory floor into upper management. His company was non-union, but was more than fair to the workforce, paying wages and benefits commensurate with the local Michigan GM and Ford, etc. factories. Yet, in the late sixties and early seventies I rejected his values for a nebulous, pie-in-the-sky post-industrial world view that has come to its disastrous fruition.
Globalization is just a form of imperialism. It never could work, hasn't worked and is now dead. The monetary system build to support it is dead, bankrupt. Simply put, it is based on usury, on looting the stored up wealth of national economies. This sounds leftist, and the left uses this jargon, but Marxism is no more a solution that predatory free trade "capitalism". Marx never understood the American Revolution or the American System of Political Economy as utilized by Lincoln, or later by FDR to build and protect national industry and infrastructure. He was a creature of the British Hallibury school of Ricardo, et., al. He was a slave to a fishbowl mentality that conceived all of capitalism as being modeled on British free trade imperialism.
To survive and resume the American experiment, we must end monetarism and free trade in all its forms. Shrink the financial services section of the economy, relegate it to its rightful place - servicing the capitalization needs of the productive, physical section of the economy. Outlaw derivatives and associated criminal speculation and usury in all forms. Return to a Hamiltonian credit system to fund the capital needs of real industries in rebuilding our national infrastructure.
For example, many above have mentioned the auto industry; that we have too much capacity and the US auto makers are basically toast. True. But those companies are the respository of a national treasure - machine tool capacity and a skilled labor force that can deploy it. Do we let the status quo continue unabated - let the hedge funds and assorted other sick financial predator vultures continue to pick their carcasses clean? We've seen that leads to the middle classes' the the nation's ruin. No, we must re-deploy that capacity to rebuild our infrastructure - we have an estimated $11 TRILLION deficit in infrastructure investment in the US. Restructure and retool auto to build the power plants, power grids, electric rail, maglev systems, canals, locks, bridges, etc., etc., that are absolutely required if we are to have a chance for advancing living standards for future generations.
Time for baby boomers like Mr. Reich (who's heart, I believe, if not his mind, is in the right place) to grow up and realize he and the country has been bamboozled by a foreign ideology implanted to destroy the greatest experiment in human freedom and empowerment ever conceived - implanted by the same neo-feudalist financial oligarchy that seeks to turn the whole planet into their plantation, unencumbered by pesky sovereign nation-states that concern themselves with quaint notions of "the general welfare".
May 30, 2009 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
(thunk)
May 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, I forgot to mention, tho it should be a surprise to no one that the vast majority of those good-paying industrial jobs in my home town at my Dad's company, as well as those at GM, Ford and related feeder industries, etc. are gone. Offshored, down-sized. This process took place after my father's generation retired and baby boomers took over and looted the joint. Now they have a top-heavy corporate "overhead" bureaucracy being supported by low-wage peons overseas. A few uber-rich managers, stressed out middle managers in fear of losing their jobs and future and no workers. A continual down-sizing, lower profits spiral that more or less is a proxy for the American economy as a whole.
Win-win for everyone, right? Thunk, indeed.
May 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I'd said that. Sort of.
I almost did not read this because of the title. I thought you were promoting a Reich Rant and he is way too DLC for me.
Like you, I'd given up trying to explain that the economics being promoted was going to kill the goose and that we were the goose.
It was good that you started your argument with the question of where are we going to get the stuff we need to live before leading up to the loss of jobs. Too often in economic discussions of jobs and wages their connection to how we get the stuff we need gets abstracted away.
Still there may be a silver lining to the globalization clouds. Maybe it is a wake up call to think beyond jobs and wages. If trends in robotics continue, we will not be losing jobs to people overseas, we and they will be losing more and more of them to robots. In a sane economy, where gains in productivity benefit more than shareholders, this would be a good thing. However, the majority of us depend on jobs/wages to get the stuff we need.
It would be really great if economists started looking ahead to address that huge bump in the road instead of continuing to argue over Smith, Marx, Keynes, Hayek and Friedman.
May 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"To survive and resume the American experiment"...
The infrastructure that Audacity refers to will "restructure and rebuild" in ways that we do not expect, in ways that we would never have anticipated until now, in this present new arrangement of things.
While the infrastructure still exists, the capitalism that built is has fallen into disrepair.The old gang has walked away from the mess they made; it's up to the new kids on the block to pick up the pieces and go with it. We are at ground-zero of the rebirth and retooling of American capitalism.Are you in?
We're going to put this thing back together piecemeal. We, the American people, will recover the fallen and neglected parts, the overlooked and abandoned components of a once-great industrial economy. The former asset managers, now unable to profitably maintain their worn-out administration and bankrupted ownership of the nuts and bolts and whirlygigs of the American enterprise, will cede that infrastructure to the public domain.The whole mess will be (is) in a state of terrible disrepair and confusion, like ground zero.
Now here's the deal: those alert citizens who are willing to work hard toward a new kind of recovery--those who are willing to jump in, get their hands dirty--those who are willing to take a stake in the retooled America (like a rebuilt carburetor)--those diligent, far-sighted ones who are willing to take a chance, accept a new venture, identify and develop those new opportunities (It may be right around the corner from you right now.) --These are the bold citizen-activists who will resurrect the American economy--and redefine the word "capitalism."
They (we) will work and act as individuals.
And will organize.
Are you one of those who is looking for the opportunities in this shipwrecked economy?Look around you.
Because it's really not about what GM does, or Chrysler. It's not about what Bernanke or Geithener will do next week, next month. It has nothing to do with what Nixon did or didn't do way back when--or Clinton or Carter or Bush. AIG and Citi are irrelevant. The crux of the thing does not revolve around the post-feudal, post-imperialist, post-industrial, post-summeroflove, post-911,post-financial meltdown, post-China syndrome elite that is out or not out to enslave you into arguing with your comrades and divert your attention from the great potential of your own innovations and collective willingess to take responsibility for your own destiny.
It's not about them. It's about you, and me,and
what you will do to improve the lot of yourself and of those whom you hold dear. What can you do to improve your community? What can you do to reinvent America? Let's get to work.
Carey Rowland, author of Glass half-Full
May 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your link is not working.
I agree, at least in part, with your premise. I do not denigrate the importance of entrepreneurial and individual action, but do not see how we can dig out of this hole without state action to nurture and protect beneficial private interest. As for infrastructure falling into the public domain, on the contrary, publically financed infrastructure is being gobbled up by trans-national corporations, as states seek revenue from any sources (thereby slitting their own throats). Forgive me if I misinterpret you from this one post, however the local control, sort of guild structure (I think) you are proposing may work in the small and be a good model to be ramped up on a macro level. But it is no substitute for the resources that can and must be marshalled by the nation-state to, for example, develop and build a fusion energy economy or a national meglev rail system. I must go to do other things now and will check back later to read your reply.
May 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I realize that the government is throwing money at this situation, and that's as it should be. But we are in so deep that much more will be required of us individually and collectively if we are to pull through and retain some kind of prosperity.
So I'm exhorting people to act locally, because that's where the real needs are seen, heard and shared. Maybe it's a little like that old song: "Clowns to left of me (government), jokers to the right (financial industry)--here I am, stuck in the middle with you..."
That is, your neighbor(s), those people that you see around you, in your town, city, neighborhood. That's where the infrastructure rebuilding will have to start. The organizing needs to be close to home.
I am alarmed, though, at this line which you wrote: "As for infrastructure falling into the public domain, on the contrary, publically financed infrastructure is being gobbled up by trans-national corporations..." I would like to know more about this; to whatever extent it is true, this would be a problem.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Carey Rowland, author of Glass half-Full
May 31, 2009 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I like your enthusiasm! And it MIGHT even work. I am convinced it will be a long time before we Americans begin to consume crap the way we did in the recent past, and if that is the case we will need to find something else to build the new economy on...any ideas on what that might be?
May 30, 2009 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Infrastructure renewal and a new emphasis on providing the most for the majority.
May 30, 2009 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is, not all of the new economy can come from government funding. We need jobs based in the private sector, so coming up with something that people are willing to pay for is necessary. And phony magic money derivative type crap doesn't count.
I'm sure there are brilliant people out there thinking up things as we speak, and I'm anxious to see what they come up with.
May 30, 2009 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where the jobs haven't gone overseas, people have been imported to "analyze, create and communicate" The symbolic-analytical work that Reich is touting and that remains in this country has been handed to *legal* immigrants. It won't be long before the same work will be outsourced to China and India for the same reason the manufacturing and service jobs went to China and India - they will do it cheaper.
In the absence of government intervention, the economic well-being of this country will continue to erode until some kind of stasis is achieved, when jobs are not hemorrhaging through the export arteries to the underdeveloped world. It will be decades if not centuries before that happens.
May 30, 2009 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flower great post as always, looks like you split an atom of thought about working class people, and it started a chain reaction of comments.Cool a toothpick uprising unfolds.
May 30, 2009 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had a vision of gossamer threads forming a webbed pattern atop buildings in. Metropolis. You could only see the threads if you looked at them from a certain angle, and then you would only see a prismal shiver of sunrays.
These were solar fibers, a step beyond the cumbersome panels.
What I mean to say is that if we truly value and support a nascent technology, we will find a way to accomodate it into our society. So we must reevaluate. But so long as we are inflating a financial structure with fake wealth and securing trade with the blood of our youth, we will sink.
May 30, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
(I posted this comment on Reich's TPM blog, but I'm posting it here because if it happens (see below)I want to take credit for seeing through him first. If I'm wrong. . .well. . . never mind.)
Okay, I've slept on it. I even blogged about this piece.
Now I'm almost totally convinced this is Reich's idea of a wicked joke. I come to this because:
a. He was the Labor Secretary a few years back. He understands the necessity for good paying jobs.
b. He is a professor so I know he comprehends what he reads. He reads, as I do, that every MONTH over a half-million workers lose their jobs.
c. He's better at understanding economics than most. He knows without even giving it much thought that when people are out of work they're not buying things. We live in a consumer economy. Things need to move of the shelves and out of the lots or we're in big trouble.
d. He is known for his impish sense of humor.
So, unless I'm badly mistaken, Part 2 is going to be the punchline to his joke. He's going to come out laughing at US for taking him seriously.
If I were a praying person, I would be praying it is so. If it isn't, I'm ripping him off of my bloglist as fast as he can talk.
May 30, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, Ramona. April Fool's Day was two months ago.
:o)
May 30, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reich's column and arguments were pretty bad. However, I haven't seen a realistic proposal from anyone here. It seems that everyone wants to point fingers at some villain and proclaim the people victims, but that is the easy way out. I know I will get trashed for buying the corporatist line, so be it.
How do you explain the replacement of manual labor functions with mechanization? This accounts by far for the largest portion of the decrease in the labor pool. Take axes to all the damn machines? I don't know. Do you want to be the one in the fields picking the cotton? If you are honest, not bloody likely.
None of it is easily explained and none of the solutions will be easy. Maybe we are moving to a new paradigm. I won't hazard to guess. I can guarantee you that the revolution some are calling for would be EXTREMELY bloody and no one should pretend to know where that might end. Maybe that would be better than the slow strangulation, I don't know.
May 30, 2009 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The oil required to power those machines has been underreported. It is too heavy a price to pay, and it is killing a labor force which does the job cheaper if everything is taken into account, honestly and transparently.
Given the current state of affairs, it doesn't take too much deep thought to understand that a balance between men and machine is optimal.
Men are just better at certain things. Like answering the phone.
May 30, 2009 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello?
May 31, 2009 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
press or say 1 for englishesqueness....
May 31, 2009 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Revolutions don't need to be bloody to be effective. The bottom line is people need to be put to work. Their jobs need to pay decent wages. We are a society of WORKERS. What would you have us do?
May 30, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't a laborer have to make the damn machines in the first place? Machines breakdown, they need repair. They need maintenance. They need replacement parts. They become outdated and new designs have to be imagined and created.
Truly, none of it is easily explained, nor will the solutions be easy. However, revolutions need not be bloody, nor loud, nor messy.
What matters in the end, cain, is that people have a fair shot at earning a decent wage, at having a livable life. People everywhere, not just in this country.
May 30, 2009 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this post's 24 hours is almost up. Migwetch (thanks) for reading and the commenting was quite informative and helpful. I sure learned a lot, which is a dang good return on a hair-on-fire rant.
Like I said. I'll be waiting for Part II.
May 30, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post flowerchild...I think the dialog will continue for a bit with people who follow and see the comments being made. This is what I don't like about the arbitrary 24hr thing...Threads that keep getting comments added like this should be able to stay up until the comments slow way down.
May 30, 2009 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Still.
I hope people do continue to comment. I will read them if they do, but as the dialog turns more towards economics and theories, well, I am out of my element there. I know unions and union workers. I know the work ethic, I know pride in craftsmanship. I know the human side of it. The numbers and philosophy side...not so much.
If anyone would like to take their comment posted here and put it up as a blog so that further conversation can follow publicly, DO IT!
May 30, 2009 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The main work that needs to happen is this: people need to get together and figure out how to efficiently gather energy from the sun, earth and sky, harness it, and pump it back into the grid.
When everybody can go to Lowe's or Home Depot, or Nick's hardware around the corner, spend a few hundred bucks, come home with hardware to connect at home, and put electricity back into the system--now that's a revolution in the infrastructure.
Something to think about, for you tinkerers out there.
Carey Rowland, author of Glass half-Full
May 31, 2009 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink