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This Title Has Been Carefully Crafted To Offend No One: A Blog Showing Democratic Racist Voters in '08
Well, my last blog drew out the apologists and the attackers who INSISTED that my examples of racism on the right was somehow blanket condemnation.
I found this video of racist DEMOCRATS during the 08 election was interesting too. It's the same stuff: euphemism, looking the other way, ignorance, etc.
Will I get attacked for pointing out the ugliness and stupidity of THESE people? Will folks INSIST I am throwing ALL on the left under the bus?
Of course not. We will condemn racists and violent wackos in our midst. Don't assume we have YOUR problems, that we won't clean house. Let's roll the tape:
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Do you ever stop being an obnoxious ass? Ever?
You might have noticed that despite the fact Obama supporters were treating the entire state of WV as racist and acting as if the people on that video were representative of the entire state, Obama performed BETTER in WV than did Al gore or Kerry. Not just because there was higher black voter turnout. He did better with white voters overall. Maybe if he and his team respected them enough to actually campaign for their votes Obama could have won there.
This despite the fact that the man spent 3 hours in the state talking about the military and didn't campaign on a platform of economic justice in the 49th poorest state in the nation. Jesse Jackson managed to campaign in WV (and did fairly well) by traveling into Appalachia and treating people respectfully.
You want to focus on the 5% of racism rather than the vast majority of folks that aren't racist. What is the point? Seriously? They are dinosaurs and their mindset is dying. But I guess those are the only people an obnoxious ass like you can feel morally superior to, so I guess I do kind of understand why this obsession persists.
September 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right on, Dijamo. We still butt heads occasionally, but seem to be on the same sheet of music here.
September 22, 2009 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW. What an amazing contribution.
September 22, 2009 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto.
September 22, 2009 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT POST JASON!!!
September 22, 2009 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beautiful. This is pretty much the funniest comment I have read.
So "focusing" on racism is "obsession", but scolding people who discuss it, hoping against hope that it will all just "go away" what is that exactly? Denial?
Play hall monitor somewhere else, and shove your insults WAY up your moral "superiority." You don't like me being "an obnoxious ass" then take the Church Lady act elsewhere. Aiight?
September 22, 2009 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok just checked out your blog (and I use the term in it's most generous sense).
New Yorker to New Yorker, to quote you: MYOFB. It's MY blog I focus on what interests ME.
If YOU are too obnoxious, and too much of an ass, to not pass by without insulting the author, don't expect me to take a punch better.
In short, take your own goddamn advice (and leave me the fuck outta it).
Clear?
September 22, 2009 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it needs to be pointed out that you are pushing similar buttons that other posters push when they call Jimmy Carter a chump of a President or Barack Obama a half-bright President. Or tell The president to MYOFB. Once those terms are used, it is hard to criticize others for a lack of decorum.
It seems that aggressive wording and exaggeration is good for certain individuals, but is "outrageous" when others use the same technique.
September 22, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
MYFB
September 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
PUMA!
September 22, 2009 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW! Could it be? The triumverate of accusing and insinuating other posters are racists all uniting on the same thread. Awesome.
You guys should get an acronym. And a life.
September 22, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
SMD!!
September 22, 2009 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
While Severely Mentally Disabled is a good first attempt, I can't cosign on it because unfairly maligns people who are actually mentally challenged due to medical reasons.
September 22, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ow, quit, you hurt my little feelings.
This ones easy enough, even the mentally challenged. First word sounds like "duck."
September 22, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have only suggested one person was a racist on this site, that person was middleclassbill. His suggestion that a "lower class black crowd" might be more readily provoked to violence was racist in character. I ask him repeatedly why he felt the make-up of the crowd outside the home of Prof. Gates would have anything to do with arrest of Gates. Later he ask (different blog) if anyone could provide an instance of him making a racist comment. I provided his prior racist comment.
I have never accused anyone of being a racist on this site.
While I disagree with the style this blogger uses to make his point. I 100% agree with his sentiment that if anyone makes a bigoted statement, they should be called out for that statement. To do otherwise is to condone bigotry and further perpetuates the ignorance behind it.
September 22, 2009 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please provide a link where MiddleClassBill said that a "lower class black" crowd was more susceptible to violence. He was calling you out for your insinuation that Don Key was racist on another thread.
Right here: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/desidero/2009/07/two-stories-henry-louis-gates.php#comment-3535305.
Are you a liar? I don't know.
September 22, 2009 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you had a more complete grasp of the language you woud notice the qualifiers "could" and "I don't know". A complete reading of this thread will show whom the liar is.
As far as MCB goes, he's had ample time to explain his motivations. I stand by my statement.
My integrity is not in question here, you have accused me of something that is demonstrably false.
"Your commentary could be considered racist. You are definitely showing a bias against the blacks you mention. Are you a racist? I don't know."
Further down the thread,
Your commentary could be considered racist.
No it couldn't.
You are definitely showing a bias against the blacks you mention.
Don Key qualified his statement perfectly with words like "somehow" and "seems" and admitting he wasn't able to come to a "definite" conclusion: I don't know this cop, but labeling someone racist who is not that, somehow seems racist itself.
Are you a racist? I don't know.
Are you an oaf? Because it seems subtlety is not your strong suit.
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July 23, 2009 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
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"Gates then went out on a crusade against this "racial profiling." He is going to use it politically, otherwise it would have died the quick media death it deserved. Now he has the President of the U.S. implying the Cambridge Police are stupid and racist. The good Reverend Sharpton is coming out now."
This is inflammatory rhetoric. Is it race based or politically based? You tell me.
As far as me being an oaf, if my words are blunt that does not make me stupid, uncultured or a clumsy person. It only shows your lack of comprehension as to the words you choose.
Posted by jonnienohands in reply to a comment from readytoblowagasket
July 23, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
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It's not inflammatory when you restore the part where Don Key says, The problem is that after a truce was called and both parties admitted it was an 'unfortunate incident'...
For some reason you left that part of his comment out. I guess because it's the part that modulates the tone.
Posted by readytoblowagasket in reply to a comment from jonnienohands
July 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
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And I always thought it was totally useless to argue with an oaf like jonnienohands, but...
During this exchange I noticed that my moniker has the same consonants in the same order as readytoblowagasket!
Rutabaga...
readytoblowagasket...
Who knew?
Posted by Rutabaga Ridgepole in reply to a comment from readytoblowagasket
July 23, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Nice to have a kind remark from TPM'S version of Rush Limbaugh.
Posted by jonnienohands in reply to a comment from Rutabaga Ridgepole
July 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
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"...that does not make me stupid, uncultured or a clumsy person."
I agree that "oaf" isn't exactly the right epithet for jonnienohands. In my bar-crawling post-adoloescence, I drank beer and shot pool with all sorts of relatively oafish individuals, and a good time was had by all.
But when jonnienohands accuses a commenter like Don Key of racism, on the basis of nothing, "oaf" is too good a word, which gasket substituted for something more accurate, with her usual délicatesse.
jonnienohands is just a nasty little jerk.
Posted by Rutabaga Ridgepole in reply to a comment from jonnienohands
July 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Why do you insist that his comments could not be considered racist. When quite obviously they could be. None of these little asides you've mentioned negate the impact of his questioning the motivations of three black men. Don is a big boy. He doesn't need your feeble excuses. If he has a problem with what I've written he can certainly respond to me.
Posted by jonnienohands in reply to a comment from readytoblowagasket
July 23, 2009 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Am I going to respond to your question- am I a racist? Wouldn't you rather know when I last beat my wife? How about you? Are you disabled or an expert cyclist or is your moniker just a joke on disabled people?
Posted by Don Key in reply to a comment from jonnienohands
July 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
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I was born with no hands. I don't see what relevance that has to this thread.
I merely suggested your words could be perceived as racist commentary. I also offered political bias as a reason for your vitriol.
Posted by jonnienohands in reply to a comment from Don Key
July 23, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Well, I meant no offense (and actually thought it had something to do with cycling because I've seen that nickname before in that context). But the question was simply meant as an example of your question to me.
On the political side, I do have a political bias against Sharpton in these kinds of situations (though I liked him as a candidate). And I do have a problem (more an open question really) with one of Professor Gate's projects, though I think he's an established scholar. I think that, after the fact here, Prof Gates is making political hay out of this, but I don't see how any of that translates into questioning whether I'm racist.
Posted by Don Key in reply to a comment from jonnienohands
July 23, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
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I did not question whether you were a racist. It may have appeared so, but it was not my intention. There is much irony in the fact that the comments based on this story, which is 1 part fact and 9 parts perception, has led to my having to defend a perceived bias. Gasket had part of it right, I'm not subtle in my approach. I used your comment because it exemplified the discussion, it could be read several ways.
I used your comment as a rhetorical device. If you were offended, you have my sincerest apologies.
I pride myself on helping others and strive to do no harm. Thank you for your considered response.
Posted by jonnienohands in reply to a comment from Don Key
July 23, 2009 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Me too and thanks. I was clumsy in trying to say the same thing (that your questions could be read with different intents). Political correctness sometimes ends up causing more miscommunication and division than resolving it. I was questioning the political results more than the motivations of those three. Anyway, peace. We're probably closer in our thinking than it comes out.
Posted by Don Key in reply to a comment from jonnienohands
July 23, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 22, 2009 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
My grasp of the English language is just fine. That's why I included insinuation.
an indirect or covert suggestion or hint, esp. of a derogatory nature: She made nasty insinuations about her rivals.
You can insinuate by a particularly nasty question. Kind of like I did above. Are you a liar? I don't know. If Joe WIlson said that to Obama, you'd rightfully accuse him of insinuating Obama was a liar. No different when you do it, asshat.
The suggestion itself is incendiary unless you casually walk around asking people if they are racist. At least have the courage of your convictions instead of taking the cowardly route and hiding behind a question and then act surprised people took your remarks as they were intended when called out on it.
September 22, 2009 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you read the entire thread, you are being willfully dishonest. That would make you a liar or to lazy to read the thread.
September 22, 2009 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read the whole thread. And I am not a liar. You got called out on your insinuation and backtracked because you were called out on it. That doesn't mean you never made the insinuation in the first place. All your bs excuses doesn't take that away.
September 22, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
found the mcb quote, of course you will parse "his" words more favorably than mine, given your integrity issues.That's a different topic.
I'm curious as to why he would give it a more modest spin this time around.
"Fpie is implying that it was just students and teachers, who would be unlikely to become unruly.
I know people at Harvard and in general the students are white and the non-professor staff (ie housekeeping, food services, maintenance, etc) are all lower class black. The house was right next to campus and therefore it's more than just students and professors who would be walking past the house.
Crowley's account doesn't contradict the tapes necessarily. The caller said on the phone that one man was hispanic and the other she didn't see.
Crowley said that the caller spoke to him and told him directly it was two black men. Could the caller have changed her story and told 911 something different than what she told Crowley? Perhaps. I don't have enough information to have an opinion as to which one is lying. Without knowing the caller or Crowley, it's hard to know which one is telling the truth. But like I said, that's a different topic.
Posted by MiddleClassBill in reply to a comment from jonnienohands
July 27, 2009 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink"
September 22, 2009 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The jeopardy music is still playing...
Jonnie - you are the king of nuances. Like Clinton not "having sex with that woman".
You use the word "suggested" that I'm a racist rather than just saying that you think I am.
You ask it as a question but then say "I don't know" so you think it's OK.
You've also asked other questions such as "Are you the spokesperson for the racists?" http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/fgdesign/2009/09/carters-words-as-a-pie-chart.php#comment-3609119
Questions like these are more than just "suggestions". Please stop pretending that you're just "asking questions". Those questions are rhetorical questions but your answer isn't "I don't know", in your head it's an affirmative "YES". Rhetorical questions aren't followed up by answers. When someone asks "Why are you so stupid?" - that is a rhetorical question which is meant to call that person stupid, not solicit a response.
September 23, 2009 6:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't think you are a racist. Having no knowledge of you beyond the words you've presented here at this site would preclude me from believing you were.
My mother and many of my friends have made racists remarks and when questioned as to why they would make such statements they showed remorse for their insensitivity. There is certainly no reason why I should treat you with less honesty than my family and friends.
September 23, 2009 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Furthermore my original question was a rhetorical device not a rhetorical question.
September 23, 2009 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't think I am a racist, then why did you ask me if I am the spokesperson for the racists? Asking me that question seems inconsistent with your claim that you don't think I'm racist.
September 23, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't think I'm a racist, then why did you (in your own words) "suggest" that I was a racist. What the heck is the difference?
September 23, 2009 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because I don't know, after being ask why you made racist comment's you hedged on your original statement and made another racist statement. The problem lies with you, why do you judge actions people might take by the color of their skin rather than assuming there actions would be equal?
September 23, 2009 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't hedge anything. I just tried to explain my view since you were having trouble understanding it.
But please answer my question. (And then I will answer yours).
How can you say that you don't think I'm a racist yet you say things such as "Are you the spokesperson for the racists" and "That's a racist comment". How are you not contradicting yourself?
September 23, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ask and answered
September 24, 2009 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Ask and answered" - what does that mean? Could you try again?
September 24, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
see mcb's reply below
September 22, 2009 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel like such a celebrity to be the source of controversy. He thinks I'm racist because I said the cop had reason to be afraid that the crowd might have started to get rowdy. He think I said this only because "they're black". But if a bunch of black people see a black man being abused by cops, I would think they might try to come to his rescue. I would have said the same thing if it was a white crowd watch a white professor get harassed unfairly. They might try to fight back.
September 22, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe I ever said that the crowd outside the Gates crowd was "more readily" provoked to violence than any other crowd just because they were black. I'm not saying that just because their black that they'd go after the cops. My point was that a crowd of Gates' peers would likely get more upset that a white cop was poorly treating an innocent black man than a group of white people would, all else being equal.
Do you think that a group of white people standing on the sidewalk would become as outraged as a group of black bystanders when a white cop is harassing an innocent black man? Same way if it was a white professor getting harassed I think a group of white bystanders would be more likely to push back against the cops than a group of black people.
Sorry if you think that's racist. I don't.
September 22, 2009 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
that is a racist reply
September 22, 2009 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was there not an entire conversation going on about how African Americans as a group are more suspicious of police actions given that racial profiling is a real problem (even though that's not what Skip Gates experienced)? African Americans in the crowd would therefore be less likely, more likely, equally as likely to listen to a black man screaming racist police abuse by getting angry and disorderly.
(insert jeopardy music here).
Thanks for showing again how you throw the accusations of racism around with very little thought or care for the people you are maligning.
September 22, 2009 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I told mcb in another reply. Friends and family have made racist comments in my presence and I've questioned them on their attitudes. Remorse was shown for their insensitivity in every instance. You, mcb and anyone else on this site are due the same respect.
For the record, I have not insinuated you are a liar. If there is any question on your part; YOU ARE A LIAR, this has been shown through your willful misrepresentations of my words. You have no credibility what so ever in my book.
September 23, 2009 8:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why won't you answer his jeopardy question?
September 23, 2009 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm wondering if there is another triumvirate of posters that gathers on some blogs?
September 22, 2009 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's know excuse for willfully misinterpreting statements. These aren't uneducated folks. This is absurd!
September 22, 2009 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
If people were worried about a boisterous Henry Louis Gates inciting a riot, it would seem that they would share an identical fear of harm coming to the target of anger of the shock jocks, teabaggers and the 912 rally participant, Barack Obama.
Gates can ignite a riot, but Limbaugh, Beck, etc. calling Obama names......... no problem.I suppose that I am less willing to provide cover for outrageous statements from the wingnuts, because I have the same fear that words can do harm as MCB. The difference is that while I think the chance of a riot in Cambridge was nil, I feel the danger of a wingnut talking action is real.
September 22, 2009 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't have said it better myself.
September 22, 2009 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Change this blog's title to "PROVEN: Democrats and West Virginians are All Racist" and the comments you get might be of the same nature as the other blog.
You are comparing apples and orangutans again in order to explain your ideas on water. Non sequiter doesn't begin to cover the dissonance of your ideas when they are applied in such a haphazard fashion.
The sun must have stopped in the sky or something, because I also agree with everything rmrd0000 had to say above.
September 22, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
DIPSHIT:
1) My title had no "are" in it, which of course you need to misrepresent it.
2) I'm not comparing anything to anything, I simply found this video interesting. I could really give a shit if you approve or not, you are obviously here to start shit, as demonstrated by this and previous posts.
So you've graduated to Bill's status. Write me a freaking novel, whatever... and you will get only this from me from now on:
GREAT POST JASON!!!
The sameness and repetitive nature of your posts, and the overall apologist's tone with an attacking, obnoxious approach to me, isn't going to change, NOR DOES IT BOTHER ME.
Rather, I am DELIGHTED to see more idiots behave exactly as specified. KEEP STANDING UP FOR THE RACISTS!!!
Now fuck off.
September 22, 2009 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Using a common is a replacement for the missing verb. It is a common technique in headline writing and reads that way to most Americans who grew up consuming newspapers.
It is the same reason you used the device in the first place. To all of a sudden claim you have been maligned and didn't mean to say what you clearly meant to imply and then vigorously defend in the face of fairly benign feedback is pretty comical.
Good luck with the tactics you have had on display thus far. They led to a total electoral obliteration for the republicans, so you are in good company.
I would use some choice four letter words to emphasize the point, but as that seems to be your preferred playing ground, forgive me if I pass for now.
September 22, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
First sentence should read: "Using a COMMA is a replacement for the missing verb. It is a common technique in headline writing...."
September 22, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT POST JASON!!!
September 22, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT POST JASON!!!
September 22, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
We never insisted that your examples were a blanket condemnation.
You even said that we never even responded to your examples, so that must be false.
We said that your title was a sweeping generalization by saying that "Republicans are racists". You asked when you ever made sweeping statements about anyone. It was right in your title.
We're not "babies" and we can all read English very well. Making statements like "Republicans are racists" will get that response.
September 22, 2009 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT POST BILL!!!
September 22, 2009 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink