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Health Debate Fails to Ignite Obama's Grass Roots


In a  New York Times article on Friday the writer, Jeff Zeleny, paints a very narrow and sometimes inaccurate picture of OFA's and the progressive grass roots' efforts with regard to health care reform. Selectively skewed reporting has been the case throughout the process. For example, I'm certain most folks don't know that on June 25th that there were about 10,000 pro health care reform demonstrators and advocates in Washington promoting their cause. Why? Because that was the day that Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett died.

The media has focused almost exclusively on the outlandish behavior by the right at a number of town hall meetings but has covered virtually none of the great number of constructive meetings. They have given credibility to behavior that in years gone by would have been described as extremist. By doing this and by bringing that point of view into their papers and on to their programs in a number disproportionate to the more moderate points of view, they've done us a disservice by distorting the conversation. But as the President says, the media loves a ruckus. 

In his article Zeleny uses only Iowa as the basis for his analysis. He also inaccurately described OFA as conducting "town hall meetings" about health care. OFA hasn't organized around the concept of its own town hall meetings in any formal sense. Its events are, by design, organizing and informational events constructed to get people actively involved on an ongoing basis; although it's certainly not unusual for discussions to break during them. More accurately,  OFA is currently organizing people to attend congressional town hall meetings to show support for the cause in a reasonable and constructive manner.  In events I've attended and helped organize in New Jersey we've had anywhere from 20 to 60 people at a time at organizing meetings and events for health care reform. That's different than the picture painted in Iowa, where they may be at another stage in their organizing efforts.

This national discussion is really just getting rolling. It looks like we may be moving out of the shouting phase (over amplified by the 24 hr MSM anyway), and into the listening and discussing phase. Remember it's the summer too, typically a time for less political focus except by the very involved. As we move into the fall (the anticipated time of final passage of the legislation all along), like in political campaigns, people will focus in, and many more will become actively involved.  Let's hope that the media reports on this accurately; and if they don't let's hold them accountable.


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Terrific post.

I'm hoping that someone will advise of a resource that lists advertisers for MSM 'news' programs.

It's so important that we begin doing a much better job of holding the media accountable and ensure consequences, with some viable process to publish the data.

Ironically, only now are too many realizing that it's the ad revenue that ultimately is the decider on content - not the talking heads or top level personnel of their businesses. (Exception for PBS.)

Thanks. Rec'd.

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What's there to ignite?

Obama's grassy roots don't believe there is a debate. It's beneath them to debate the racist, thuggish mobs, innit?

They think they know better and we should all just lap it up because they say so.

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From the racist horse's mouth...

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I'd stand and applaud, but that's incompatible with typing.

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Hey, Lalo, I passed you on the street today. You really shouldn't wear that wife-beater t-shirt if you're not going to use sun-screen; your pale white skin was really burned in the sun. You had a rash all over your arms & back. All except those tattoos -- they will protect you. (I won;t say what the tattoos depicted. You have a right to your far-right allegiances.

DOWN WITH HEALTH CARE! DOWN WITH HEALTH! DOWN WITH CARE!

Can I join your group?

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"This national discussion is really just getting rolling."

No, it began months ago and the President and the DC Democrats (who are just now beginning to join the debate)allowed the discussion to be hijacked by right wing extremists and political prostitutes from both parties running interference for the insurance companies. It is not over of course, but it could well turn out that the DC Democrats and our accomodationist President may well ahve waited too long before getting directly involved.

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OK.... I am quite aware of when the discussion began. My point is that as with any debate it picks up steam and a much greater number of people become involved as you head into the stretch. As for your comment about "our accomodationist President" read up and you'll know why he left the public heavy lifting to the Congress. It has to do with Clinton's health care reform failure in 1993 because he tried to force a bill down Congress' throat. I think that the President has been directly involved for quite some time, just not as publicly as you'd like. He had a choice - bully Congress and risk getting nothing, or play it smart. He opted for playing it smart. And oh by the way it's the Democrats who pose the bigger obstacles right now, not the Republicans. Bottom line is that we're not going to get everything we want, but what we get will be huge in comparison with what we have now. But we'll always have some on either side of the fence who will never be satisfied.

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Well said.

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You will be very comfortable in Washington with the Democrats there who have managed to lose the momentum AND the debate over healthcare reform already. The fight is over. Obama and the timid DC Democrats fucked it all up again because they lacked the courage of their alleged convictions and the ability to anticipate and defeat the perfectly predictable strategy of the opposition. They allowed the opposition to wrest control of the public debate from them early on and only when it was too late did they wake up enough to realize they needed to be communicating the truth effectively to the public. Now, with Obama turning tail and running like a scared little kid away from his own public option it's far, far too late. The public debate for the clueless Democrats may have just begun but the public debate that counts is over and Obama and the Democrats got bitch slapped but good.

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Like I said on your post, you're only interested in hearing yourself or others with the same point of view. You'll never get anything accomplished that way. Now get out of my blog!

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Oleeb loves to hijack threads. Just keep responding with facts absent hyperbole. It pisses him off worse than insults.

Not that you have offered any thus far, but I can see the frustration building. I have been there many times myself.

I expect to be there many more times in the future.

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Another bogus "trend" story from NYT.

And Zeleny is a bit of a dick. I know that's ad hominem and all, but anyone remember when he was shouting questions at Obama about Hillary "getting into his head"?

Here's a reporter who is heavy on his own narratives.

You go interview five or six people, and then write something like "more and more people are doing X".

It's lazy but effective. Just like a couple dozen kooks being bused around ranting and raving is a "movement".

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What debate? Didn't they just raise the white flag in surrender?

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Cutesey smugness will get you everywhere. Yeah right. C'mon, you're not one of those who will never ever be satisfied, are ya?

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Well, you've bought it hook, line and sinker:

And oh by the way it's the Democrats who pose the bigger obstacles right now, not the Republicans.

That is what the republicans are saying. So you are buying into their bullshit.

We had a referendum last year. Why Obama isn't capitalizing on that is beyond me. Let's have a nation-wide referendum now. If we lose, then I will not complain. But I don't want to lose to idiot bullshit put out by the media. I just heard some dope say that only 34% of people want a government option. It was reported as news. It was a lie.

Satisfied? Schamatisfied! You, ESK seem to me to be a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. Who do you think deserves to be satisfied? The insurance industry? Well, you have probably won. Pat yourself on the back. What have you won? You have achieved the esteemed goal of defeating the concept of health care to American citizens. I hope your children realize what you have "accomplished" some day.

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Alas, we're not a country which allows referenda. Or maybe we should be happy we don't--they haven't served California all that well. Every time we scrap among ourselves and try to outrighteous each other the republican strategists giggle. I hate to hear them giggle. I really do. Annoying sound, republican giggling. sic on the lower case "r's"

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Grassroots republicans and moderate independents are caught in the partisan crossfire as well, ensuring the discussion never evolves into solutions a majority of Americans can support.

The last being an absolute prerequisite for sustainable reforms.

Continuing cultural warfare amongst the fringes of both parties with each other as well as the fight each has with its own moderates is killing this country faster than a lack of health reform.

Thanks for providing a consistently rational liberal voice in these debates.

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Let me break it down for you. The Democrats significantly outnumber the Republicans in both congressional chambers. This you know. Therefore theoretically the Dems should be able to overpower the Repubs just by shear numbers. So why isn't that happening? Because the Dems have lots of differences amongst themselves. My points have nothing to do with what the Republicans say. Their tactics are designed to delay and ultimately kill healthcare (with a few exceptions). I only know what I see and the centrist Dems are going to have a lot to say with regard to what's in the final bill that is passed.

With regard to "satisfied, schamitisfied - I look at a situation and and try to fight for what I think can reasonably be achieved. You appear to be a dogmatic idealogue who wants to take an all or none approach, I think. Experience tells me that all or none tactics end in one of two ways, either in complete victory or in total failure. Myself, I'm much more in favor of a win win approach.

As far being part of the problem and not the solution - how do you know that? I've been organizing for health care reform for quite some time now; getting petitions signed, making phone calls, etc. What have you been doing, I mean constructively, besides complaining and being angry? And as for my kids, they know what I've accomplished, so I don't spend any time worrying about that.

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CVD: Apparently, we're not reading the same blog post. ESK was pointing out the fact that coverage of this so-called "conversation" on health care reform is being skewed in favor of the screaming meemies. Therefore, we need to get out and fight back that much harder for the public option.

I don't get your response to him. What the heck?

And when he/she said that the discussion is just now getting rolling, well, it may have been rolling inside TPM, but 'out there' the grassroots is just now beginning to stake a claim in the debate that's taking place on the streets... not on the net, not in Congress... OUT THERE. Either get with it or step aside.

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Right on target. Thank you.

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I went back and re-read your post, and I don't see where I read anything wrong, but I apologize if I was overdoing it. The number of "Democrats" includes Lieberman (not exactly a team player if you watched the Republican National Convention last year), Baucus, who calls himself one, but is really an insurance company lacky rather than any kind of Democrat. I'm just extremely frustrated with this pathetic system, and I really do "want my country back," but not like the goof-ball who announced it in a town-hall meeting; I just want the grown-ups in charge, and honest people voting on bills.

How in the world health care reform became demonized is truly beyond me. It shows the height of corruption. I am sad.

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Re: "Selectively skewed reporting has been the case throughout the process."

Hell yes! Having attended town hall meetings, I can attest to that fact! The conversation is being hijacked, not just by the noise from the tea bag experts, but with considerable amplification thanks to our so-called media(including TPM and Huff Post who are helping to feed the frenzy).

It's Romeo and Juliet all over again - look, people, before you decide to commit suicide.

ESK: You were right on. Keep fighting the good fight and don't bother yourself overly much with the armchair activists. If they're not willing to make themselves useful, then leave them be.

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Thanks for the good thoughts. Armchair activists -I like that term. Hope you don't mind if I use it.

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ESK - help yourself. Keep on keepin' on.

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The media doesn't love a "ruckus." They love a chance to produce stories that make insurance companies happy to buy more advertising from them. Their jobs is to sell ads. That's it.

...if they loved a "ruckus" they'd have better covered the MILLIONS OF PEOPLE in the streets protesting the War Against Iraq...

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My reference to ruckus I am using the word facetiously. They determine what's a "legitimate" story or what isn't. When it comes to purely political stories they almost always seem to choose a "ruckus." So I pretty much agree with your premise.

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