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How can I finish reading Quinn's story?


Hi all, I need some help--I was reading Quinn's Buffalo Jump post and then I came to a part where a picture or video did not display--just one of those little symbols that means a picture won't display and then nothing.This has happened before and I've always been too lazy to try to fix it, but is there something I need to change on my computer so that I can finish the story?

Any help the cafe can offer would be much appreciated.


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Hey all, I've taken the liberty of recommending my own post--only because I really want to finish that story!

Thanks,

erica

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Another "solution" for your problem reading past the video in quinn's worthless diary would be for don't-give-a-fuck posters like quinn to arrange their diaries so you don't have this problem to begin with, as here, where I embedded a video at the end of my diary, instead of the middle, and also, in consideration of the readers without broadband whom artappriaser mentions below on this thread, I included a relatively complete description of what happens in the video.

An additional benefit of this procedure is that diarists who take the trouble to get the video right may also take the trouble to get the facts right, unlike the thoughtless and logorrhetic quinn, who distorted everything about Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, and that's everything without exception, including even the height of the cliff, which that idiot gives as 50 feet, when it's only slightly higher than 30 feet at it's highest point, and most of it is significantly lower.

Does the height of the cliff really matter? Isn't that just a detail?

It matters, because...

What actually happened at Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump was that most of the buffalo only broke their legs when they went over a relatively low cliff, and had to await their eventual execution by whichever tribe happened to be running the show that day, and again, the archaeological evidence demonstrates that many different tribes used this jump, so that quinn's description of a uniform procedure for driving the buffalo is bullshit, like the rest of his thoughtless and deceptive diary.

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Why Rutabaga, how nice of you to wait a few minutes til after this blog rolled off before spewing your nastiness. Cheers.

Now, I don't wanna be rude or nuthin', but factwise, yer bleeding out yer arse, Turnip. Shall we dance?

1. Malibu Turnip says I'm an idiot for saying the fall was 50 feet. Whereas HE had read Wiki and seen 30 feet referenced. And with his huge IQ would obviously have considered... the difference between the height of the cliff now... vs its height back at the start, when it was NAMED, right? Oh wait. Here's a book by Jack Brink, the archaeologist who worked the site. Quote, "The math is easy: the cliff is currently ten metres above the apron, and the oldest bones are buried nearly ten metres below the top of the apron. This means that the first animals to plunge over the cliff at Head-Smashed-In were falling nearly twenty metres." Hmmmmm.

Score on Fact #1: MALIBU BLOWHARD = WRONG.

2. Turnip then says - "Does the height of the cliff really matter? Isn't that just a detail? It matters, because... What actually happened at Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump was that most of the buffalo only broke their legs...." Let's go over that. Does it MATTER that Malibu Turnip got the height wrong? Well, according to MALIBU TURNIP --- hell yeah, it matters. However. He then wants to fight about the buffalo merely breaking their legs. Not that I argued that they fell instantly dead. In fact, I mentioned picking out cliffs that were "just high enough to break their legs if they fell," and talked about them having the air compressed out of them, etc. But anyway, Mr Malibu Celeb Photographer wants to fight about this, and insists that MOST only broke their legs. Does he offer ANY evidence? Nope. Apparently, he's spent a lot of time dropping buffalo off 30 foot cliffs in Malibu. Which evidence would be USELESS, by the way, for the 50 foot cliff.

So why not end this useless little debate by turning to Brink again, shall we? Who says," Many bison, of course, were dead on impact or crushed to death by those who followed them. But many, especially the later arrivals, survived the fall but were in varying stages of injury: some had broken limbs, some had broken ribs, necks or backs...."

Score? MALIBU TURNIP = TALKING OUT ASS.

3. Next up, Mr Malibu Celebrity Photographer critiques me for not mentioning that "different tribes used this jump." Oops. Except that it was QUINN who stated, "No one "knows" what the origins of the story are, as the site itself has been used by multiple and shifting tribes." Whoops! Not know-it-all Celeb Asskisser, but Mr Quinn. Malibu then says I'm proposing a "uniform procedure for driving the buffalo" which sounds cool, except that I refer to the buffalo having to be "... lured over. Or frightened over. Or stampeded." Which doesn't sound so uniform. Etc.

FINAL SCORE? MALIBU'S BLOWHARD CELEBUTARD PHOTOG - RUTABAGA RIDGEPOLE - PROVES IS SHRIEKING BAG OF SHITE.

WTF is wrong with you lately, Rutabaga? I got up in your face a while back because you were so relentlessly nasty to some people, and it seemed to vary not based on what THEY said, but on how nasty YOU were feeling. You wanna say that's just you being sulphurous, fine - but I don't have to like it. Since then, it's nothing but weird personal attacks. "Stupid white man?" Seriously? You wanna call me that? Just as a head's up, being a Celebrity Photographer from Malibu who likes to argue about how he inhabits the Mean Streets is fairly weak ground to throw shit from.

Back in reality, I spent the Fall of 1978 on ranches in the Fort MacLeod and Pincher Creek area, plus a bit of time with the (then) Peigan tribe. This was before the HSIBJ Center opened up, so I spent a lovely afternoon walking around the site, climbing up and down the cliff, talking with the local expert, etc. I don't know everything about Buffalo Jumps as a result of that, but I'm not CLAIMING to in my blog. That wasn't what it was about, RR. But why are you being an ass about it? Same with your schtick about knowing so many politicians' assistants because of 2003-04. Are you serious? What the f*ck do you think I've been doing for 25 years solid if it hasn't been meeting politicians and their assistants???

You wanna be all bent out of shape and poisonous, that's your call. I'd prefer it if you weren't - you're smart and a great blogger, and I think I've pretty solidly said that throughout. But if you get nasty with me, you really wanna know your shit.

Because I won't hesitate to drag your Malibu Barbie ass up and down Main Street.

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Holey cow, I leave you two alone on my blog for ten minutes and come back to words hanging from the ceiling like yesterday's spaghetti and spittle all over the floor. I hope neither one of you has plans for tonight because nobody leaves until this place is SPOTLESS. Hear me? Mop, broom, dustpan--NOW!

Oh wait, I get it. You guys are actually the same person and this is Fight Club, right?


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Actually, the biggest frustration with the embeds doesn't happen when the post goes up or down. It's when you're scrolling through the archives in search of someone's random thought from two weeks ago Wednesday, scroll, scroll, scroll and--ARGH! Punk'd by an embed!

Maybe if you're going to include one, you should also include a teeny message before the embed that says "if you need to see or get past this embed, please view this post in Firefox or Safari." or an "embed alert" link that explains the problem.

It is proof of my intellectual laziness that I have not sought these answers before....

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Hi erica, I don't have any technical advice but I can post this
(I would blockqoute it, but might be distracting)

From Quinn esq:


They were rivers of fur, pouring over the grasslands. Until the ground just

fell

away

beneath their feet.

And after that, all that was left to them, was to fly.

Stand here with me, and watch. Soak it in. Waterfalls of fur, muzzles wet-biting air, fore-legs cycling, scratching at the sky, but alas... NO ENTRY.

No stairway for flesh and fur up here, no skyway 'cross the chasm. You can't live up here - not dressed in hoof and horn.

Rebuffed, they head home, skydivers, turning horn over hock, tumblers, born under punches, crashing back to Earth. Crashlanding, friend. Their bodies compressed in death's hard embrace, all the treacherous air finally squeezed out.


In the 19th Century, Buffalo outnumbered people on this continent. Over the Earth as a whole, buffalo outweighed humanity. Back before the gun and the horse, the Blackfoot - and the other great Nations of the Plains and the Prairies - learned how to live with, and from, the buffalo. In their quest to perfect the hunt, they created a technique which lives on today, more than 6,000 years later. They searched out the many low ridges and sudden sinkholes that broke the Prairies and the Plains, looking for one with just the right characteristics - cliffs just low enough to be invisible to the buffalo when in flight... but just high enough to break their legs if they fell. Were pushed. "Jumped."

Buffalo Jumps.

For thousands of years, the single largest slaughters/harvests performed by humans were the Buffalo Jumps. They say that at the bottom of this cliff, there are bones. Obviously, there are bones of buffalo. But human bones as well. A Boy, is buried there - the Blackfoot named this place after him. They said he was standing beneath the cliff, watching the buffalo fly over, and stood too close. Maybe. Or maybe he just wanted to catch the buffalo. Carry them someplace safe. Maybe they had an agreement, the Boy and the Buffalo. We don't know. Whatever the intention, the boy caught the buffalo as they flew off into the air. They named him after the consequence of his actions --

"Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump."

Heck of a name to give a kid.

Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump is perhaps the largest Buffalo Jump on the continent. It's in Southwestern Alberta. There's a museum there, carved into the cliff itself, descending the levels, laying out the story. You can walk through the very same air the buffalo once travelled.
There are many other Buffalo Jumps - in Vore, Wyoming and Ulm Pishkun, Montana and so on. At this one, the bones at the base of the cliff run 30 feet deep. Archaeologists sort through the layers, tracking the stone points, the size of bones, the frequency of the kills. They say the Buffalo Jumps run back at least 6,000 years.

We humans took to this concept early. It suited us.


Of course, the buffalo wouldn't just run off these cliffs because we wanted them to. They had to be lured over. Or frightened over. Or stampeded. Which wasn't easy. You can't just run screaming at a herd of buffalo and expect them to flee the way you want them to, and especially, over a cliff.

But what the Blackfoot and the other peoples of the Plains discovered was that the buffalo would go where you wanted - as long as you put on a play for them.

As before any good play, the actors had to dress up. Some put on heavy, adult buffalo hides. Rubbed themselves in buffalo fat and grease to remove any foreign smell. Learned how to walk like a buffalo. How to hold a buffalo stance. Let's see you do it. Shake your heads like buffalo. You have to be able to merge, become one with the herd.

Others would dress in the hide of a buffalo calf. Get good and greasy. Learn that new walk. That new look - surprised, startled, fearful. Practice it. Go on. Raise your head in surprise. Look alarmed. Appear distressed. Make just the right call. One a mother buffalo would understand. Marvelous.

Others would dress as Wolves. Learn to become wolves, in wolves clothing. Padded paw. The lift of the leg. The slow, low, pressing forward of the nose. How to circle, feint, close, as a pack. Wolf pack. Now, frighten your young buffalo brothers. Practice.

Others would just stay... Human. And do what humans have always done best. Wave flags. Create confusion. Shriek. Leap around. Just another day at the office, running amok. Putting the frighteners on some lesser species.

Plus, from time to time, I suspect there was that one Boy, or some years maybe that particular Girl, who'd feel they were supposed to stand beneath the cliff. Who felt they were to be... the Caller. Or the Greeter. Or maybe the Catcher, I donno. Kids. Kids feel these things.

But when the time came, when the Buffalo came, the Blackfoot were ready. As the herd grazed, new mother buffalo would begin to appear, grazing alongside the others. Their new calves would be feeding nearby. New wolves would trot past, at a safe distance. After a while, one of the new calves might wander off a bit, inattentive, untrained. The new wolves might move closer, sniffing. A sudden movement from a buffalo calf, a wolf, and the new mother buffalo would respond... At which point, the attentive, protective herd would move to close ranks. Move to enclose the newcomers.

Except now, the new and slightly larger herd was moving in a direction they hadn't originally intended. Their course shifted, they'd been misdirected, and were now headed toward a new fate.

This could go on for hours. Small adjustments. Feint, react, shift. Eventually though, the herd would be between the drive lines. These were ribbons of low, stacked rocks that ran for miles. Stacked by the Blackfoot. Ankle-high, not much more than a curb, just high enough, obvious enough, that the buffalo wouldn't want to step over them. Easier to just stay between them. Drifting along, feeding, following the breeze, staying in their lane.

But gently, step by step, the buffalo traffic was being sped up. By the wolves coming closer. The calves becoming more visibly alarmed. The sense of threat seeming to rise. And off in the distance, occasional flappings, unknown flags, signals and sightings, almost out of the field of vision. Unknowns. Could be humans. Maybe.

Faster now. Wolves visible, numerous, circling closer. Mothers and calves moving more abruptly, making short runs, noses flaring, heads lifting in fear, beginning to bolt. And the people, people definitely visible now, close, creeping, but right there, next to the drive lines, waving their flags of hide, shouting and crying out, shaking weapons, sharp-tipped spears. But always leaving the buffalo an opening. A way out. One way to get away from these two-legged psychos.

Until finally... some of the buffalo start to trot, then... run. And when some run... all run. And the lane gets tighter, they're being jammed in against each other, buffalo bouncing into one another, the cries louder, the dust rising, harder to see ahead, moving faster, tough to look back, impossible to turn.

Animal adrenalin. Full throttle. Stampede.


And the thing is, for tens of thousands of years, the stampede had worked for the buffalo. Nothing - no predator, no pack - could stand before the buffalo as they, it, hurtled shoulder to shoulder, the greatest mass of hoof and hide and horn on Earth. A churning mass which crushed its enemies, a living hurricane, the tsunami of the grasslands.
Except now, the hurricane was being called forth, sung into space, but not by the buffalo. By others. Others, with somewhat different agendas.

Agendas which saw the river of fur diverted. Channelled toward a cliff, where everything firm melted into air, and the slow spinning began, that seemingly painless, apparently endless descending, and finally - you know the drill - the great crash. For a herd of 1,500 pound animals, moving at 30 mph, flying off a 50 foot cliff, there's no such thing as a soft landing.

No such thing as a soft landing.

Best not to stand too close. Unless you've got some other purpose. Which the Blackfoot did. Winter. Food for Winter. Survival. And as we were all taught in school, every piece of every buffalo was used. Nothing wasted.

Less well-known is the fact that every buffalo sent over a Buffalo Jump was killed. This was law. That none be left alive to tell the other buffalo what had happened. Stories were powerful. No one there got out alive.

In one of the great surprises of modern theatre, the Buffalo Jump has staged a comeback and is today performed in more venues than at any time in history, with millions getting a chance to see the spectacle, and even participate! In Iraq. On Wall Street. Performed by Health insurers. For the Afghanis. On our Roads and along our Infrastructure. Amongst torturers. In abandoned Homes. And coming soon to Iran.

If you go, try to get up close and pay close attention to the actors. They're masters of the art, a world - and many paygrades - above those who work the traditional theatre. Look close, however, and you'll see they're playing the same roles that the Blackfoot created long ago. Look... there're the Wolves! They mean to make you scared, and nobody knows where the Fear button is located as well as this lot. Others play the part of the humans, there to create chaos by rushing along the edges, shouting and waving flags, sending up smoke, beating drums and waving spears. They aim to catch your attention, and it's almost impossible not to look - what with the spears and the shrieking and all.

And some, well... they just look just like us. If you didn't know their role, you'd swear they were on our side! Look at how they feel our pain! Aren't they good?! And the way they proclaim they'd rush in to protect us from the wolves! You'd swear they were on opposite sides! They're tough to pick out, this lot, but they one clue is to listen for their favorite catchphrases -- we'll protect you from those wolves... let's just stick together and keep moving forward... everyone, stay in your lane... you'll want to stay well away from those psychos over there... and above all, don't look back.

Oh yeah. And damned if they don't smell funny. Like they've been... well-greased.

With the absolute heart of the poem of life butchered

out of their own bodies good to eat a thousand

years.

- Allen Ginsberg

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Now that's service.

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I don't like to brag, but I'm kinda a Cute&Paste master!

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I always told everyone you were Cute&Paste, but they never would believe me; they said you were just "Paste-y".

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Thanks for sticking up for me Wendy ;-)

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That was very kind of you Sal. really.

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erica,

If you use IE as I do, whenever there's an 'embed' as in Quinn's, you will not be able to access, rec or comment on blog. Have no idea how to fix this on IE. If you find out, please let me know as it's stopped me from accessing, et al. many blogs.

Thanks.

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Me, too.

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Me three...

Funny thing is I got to other sites where there are embedded videos and I never have a problem with the pages not loading. It only seems to happen here at TPM and specifically in the Cafe. So I am thinking it isn't a browser problem per se but something to do with the site...

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If they (blog author) just provided the link, instead of the actual embed, it would definitely be appreciated by many here. Also most likely garnering them a larger audience, with more recs and comments!

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I had the same problem so now I use both Internet Explorer and Firefox. Firefox just seems to work for all of the videos and photos that folks post but sometimes it punks out on me so I still use Internet Explorer too.

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I rec'd this because it's nice to see how people in this community will show up quickly to help another. It's really sweet.

Also, you're ALL JERKS!

Kidding.

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Thanks for the recognition . . .

For us jerks, that is . . . We need it too ya' know.

~OGD~

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Just you destor. You are the jerk. Now it is the first so I get to party for three day and I will be a jerk for 72 hours. But it gives me a taste of being a jerk.

hahahahahaha

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I was advised to download Firefox if IE wouldn't show all of a blog. Type "download firefox" into a browser window, then pick the firefox site. It's totally annoying, but sometimes, if there is a big red X, and nothing further past that, firefox will work. Make sure you get an icon on your taskbar for launching it...
It may just be www.firefox.com

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Thank you, everyone, for your thoughtfulness.

And right back atcha, Destor!

;^)

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Good thing you posted this, as it gives an inkling about how many people are being affected.

It happens to me using IE, and I usually use IE. Until recently, I thought it was just me and perhaps a few other people like wendy davis, who mentioned it on a thread a while back. I thought it was because I hadn't updated my Javascript or something like that.

But recently I updated everything that was wanting to update, and it's still happening with IE, as evidenced by Quinn's thread.

Suggests it's a flaw between the way videos are embedded in the "blog now" software here and Internet Explorer?

When it happens, I will switch to Firefox if I really want to see the end of the thread after the video embed.

But to do that, I really really have to want to see it, and chances are high I won't bother. There are probably lots of other people out there doing the same thing, just shrugging and mvoing on to something else when it happens.

Since it doesn't look like management is aware of it or doesn't want to fix it right now or doesn't know how, bloggers might consider leaving video embeds out if their objective is reaching the largest possible audience. Telling your audience to switch browsers if they want to read you is not really the best way to do that, mho.

Actually, the problem is interesting on a whole 'nother level, not just on this site--

Seems to me so many people are starting to write presuming everyone has the broadband to watch videos, seemingly without any awareness of how many readers and what kind of readers they are excluding by doing that. People just embed a video now or link to it (doing the latter would help avoid the problem here on TPM,) without using any words to explain why or what the message of the video is. They just presume the reader can watch the video, or will be able to take the time to watch the video if they have the capability to.

Heck, if you really look at it big picture, most of Africa doesn't have internet yet. But there's lots of Americans still using dial up not looking at all yer videos. (Not to mention, there's lots of em on broadband not taking the time to sit and watch all those videos, I am one of those people who prefer skipping the video and moving on to more reading elsewhere.) I still use dial up at home because I have access to broadband in the daytime elsewhere when I really need it, and I am avoiding the hassle of putting it in. At the same time I am saving the expense of paying the extra higher fee every month, so there's also that incentive not to get around to doing it.

There's an interesting divide happening between video people and non video people who still prefer text and regular old still pictures. Once in a while I see a blog commentor who I know to be a real anti-television person who also seems to spend a lot of time looking at videos on the net; that always makes me laugh.

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I know to be a real anti-television person who also seems to spend a lot of time looking at videos on the net; that always makes me laugh.

I am totally guilty. Makes me laugh too.

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Serendipity: right after reading your comment, I looked down at the front page of my dead tree New York Times (which often sits right in front of my keyboard) and I found:

Curling Up With Hybrid Books, Videos Included By MOTOKO RICH

For more than 500 years the book has been a remarkably stable entity: a coherent string of connected words, printed on paper and bound between covers.

But in the age of the iPhone, Kindle and YouTube, the notion of the book is becoming increasingly elastic as publishers mash together text, video and Web features in a scramble to keep readers interested in an archaic form of entertainment....

Some publishers say this kind of multimedia hybrid is necessary to lure modern readers who crave something different. But reading experts question whether fiddling with the parameters of books ultimately degrades the act of reading....

Unrelated, maybe not--

Writing this comment, I was just thinking how absurd it is that people can embed video here on blog entries when at the same time they still can't figure out how to get a WYSIWYG editor to work in blog comments with this software, and that on most blogs, people still have to know html to format comments. To a simpleton about geek stuff like me, it looks so much like a case of putting the horse before the cart. Before they get one thing to work, they just jump on and start another, it's like programmers have their own form of ADD?

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P.S. Anyone else think Firefox absolutists are very similar to Apple absolutists? I am just not that impressed with Firefox "out of the box," ok? It would take a lot of work to get all the menus etc. changed to way I'd like them.

I don't want to spend my life altering software to work for me. Even if you do that, it often doesn't seem to end up a fruitful use of time.

AVG anti-virus is a perfect example. I was so pleased to switch to them with a new computer a couple years back, because it ran unobtrusively in the background, unlike the alternatives. But their latest version, which one was required to update to in order to continue getting virus updates, switched to being very obtrusive, doing all kinds of crap I don't want it to do, and making it very difficult or even impossible to turn some of it off.

I've learned that continually fixing my software to deal with the problems the come with more complicated stuff continually being offered on the net is not what I want to do with my life. I'm happy to wait until whatever it is is way way out of "beta" version. The first adopters can talk amongst themselves for a couple years, there's plenty other things to do out there. :-)

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I am not impressed with firefox either. However I really love google chrome-So clean and simple. You might give it a try.

Unfortunately I have now switched to a mac and all I can get is cluttered Firefox or Safari (which is clean but not very user friendly).

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What do you mean by "cluttered" (this is a surprisingly versatile word)?

The simplest thing you can do is try some different themes from https://addons.mozilla.org. I am partial to GrApple Luscious, although in addition to that, I only have the row of tabs and the status bar at the bottom. I have no location bar, no bookmark toolbar, no Google box, nothing (I do all that from the keyboard.)

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You are right Karl, I had done that for my windows Firefox, but I haven't modified my new mac firefox and it is again cluttered.

Truthfully- I miss the chrome google search and web address bar all in one feature. Firefox works similarly but it is slower and will often make a judgement for you directing to a site (e.g. type my name and ff will take you to the wikipedia entry). I prefer the chrome interface.

However, safari sucks. So I am using ff again most of the time.

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You complain about the "absolutist" software, because you have to use its customisability to have it do what you want? ;)

I think Firefox is the technologically superior choice. It is not the easiest, perhaps, but I can make it do anything I want - such as the full-keyboard mode, not to mention NoScript and AdBlock.

Similarly, OS X is currently the technologically superior choice. Just under a highly polished UI there is a full BSD UNIX (I spend most of my time on the command-line.)

There is a learning curve, certainly, and you do need to tinker a bit until you have everything just right, but when you do...! That may not be your cup of tea.

Internet Explorer, however, is poorly constructed software that has drawn my ire by purposefully and perpetually ignoring web standards and generally being broken and insecure.


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I think the average user just doesn't see the big difference that you geeks do. I do have a bit of understanding of the problems that IE presents to programmers, etc. But it has no initial appearance of being much better. If you are used to IE, it doesn't appear to promise much benefit for the amount of work customizing.

I also don't have faith that me putting tinkering into a program to get it to be of best use to me won't be all for naught after a certain amount of time. Like I said, I see the examples of things like AVG, where it starts out simple and user-friendly and then tries to make things "better." Yes Microsoft does this all the time, but it's within a system that most have already learned to deal with a bit.

I put off downloading Firefox for a long time, and in the meantime heard tons of people yammering how wonderful it was and what I was missing. But the time I did so, I was not impressed, I don't see the big deal; like Saladin, I reacted negatively to its general appearance (and a simple cleaner interface does sound appealing and possibly worth putting time into if that is what Google Chrome has.) IE looks less messy to me, but not ideal either. I do realize that that's partly because I am used to it. But that's the point--too much change too often.

IE adopted/stole their tabbed browsing, and for a basic user who doesn't know about the problems behind IE, seems to me that was the only real big selling point.

I really don't even see the big deal about tabbed browsing, as I was quite used to opening more than one window to see several sites at once. I don't get the big benefit, and sometimes see a negative. Even now sometimes I end up opening another window out of old habit and getting confused with both several windows and several tabs open at one time, and I can't find which thing to click at the bottom to get back to what I want to look it. Why did I need the ability to have several tabs open when I could always open another window?

We still use QWERTY keyboards and nobody has ever had any luck getting the world to adopt a more logical keyboard. There's some things not friendly to continual change.

As I suggested, it was once exciting to get new software that might be able to help you do things and to get to work on customizing it. Now, not so much, as we've all had to do that too many times each time there's some new development. Too many bad experiences putting in a lot of time and having it go obsolete in a year or two. You end up continually spending more time on customizing and fixing than you do on getting the stuff done that you want to do. And then, if you're not careful when you do an update and untick all those boxes, they can change it on you, like AVG.

More and more I am noticing a correlation between successful efficient people and very clean computer desktops with only a few icons. If they are not forced to, they don't bother with stuff that promises to help them do what they want to do but only ends up making them spend lots of both time and money on computer maintenance.

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P.S. You misread my original comment, I was not calling the software absolutist (I don't know what the hell that would even mean; I can't imagine anyone reading it that way.) I was saying Firefox fans almost seem at times as absolutist as Apple fans, i.e., the rest of us are all idiots for not realizing how wonderful it is.

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I'm a tech-invalid, the simplest of explanations go over my head. Thus there has been little I could add to this thread. However, splitting time between Mom's PC/IE and my Mac/FF. The Mac/FF combination wins hands down.
The switch from Safari to FF was a pain in the ass. But, well worth the effort, judging from the tech problems that I see coming up here on a regular basis.

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I don't have anything to add here. Just felt like dropping by. I'm strongly considering writing a post asking why Erica wrote a post about Quinn's video. Then someone could write wondering why I wrote about Erica writing about Quinn's video.

Sorry, just feeling all commenty today. I'll be back on regular schedule tomorrow ;)

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I hereby award you the Comment of the Day award. Unless, of course, DickDay already handed it out. If that be the case, then I hereby award you the Second Best Comment of the Day award.

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hahahahahaha. Ah the sun's gonna set real soon anyway. I will, on the advice of LisB, who is in charge of me anyhow, render unto Wolfrum--who is one of the funniest bloggers here anyhow (next to me anyway) THE DAYLY LINE OF THE DAY AWARD for this here TPMCafe Site, given to all of him from all of me and all of LisB. ha!!

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You know, if I knew commenting could be so lucrative, I'd have commented way more. Now that I have the Dayly Line of the Day Award, however, I'll slip away like Keyser Soze.

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I would prefer it if you spell it properly - Keyser Söze.

Not that you have to, but it's probably worth considering.

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He says as he limps away....

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I would definitely comment on each and every one of those posts, and on the comments as well.

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As a woman who must go through life without an umlaut, an umlaut MIA, does the correct Keyser Soze (you add the umlaut; I don't know the command) make you an umlaut lout, or an umlaut afficiondado?

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I have no clue, actually. So umlauta here.

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OMG! He goes for the SECOND Dayly Award!!

Wolfie, you are outa control.

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As you can see, I am not a man to be trifled with, LisB. ;)

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As you can see, I am not a girl who trifles, Wolfie. ;)

Truffles, now....well, that's another story.

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