The Republican Party -- Our Salvation
For us liberals and progressives Obama was our last, best hope. He's
proved he wasn't, and now, the Democratic Party is dead to us.
Question: What do we do? Answer: Move to the Republican Party -- and take it over.
The Republican Party has a long history of supporting freedom stretching back to Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. As late as the 1960s the vast majority of Republican legislators voted for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. One hundred years ago it was the home of trust busters, pacifists, and progressives. It can be again.
And it's ripe for a take-over.
Since the 1960s changes in the nominating processes of both political parties have made the power of small groups of single-issue primary voters determinative. The most energized group in the Republican Party has been the crazy fundies; in most districts every Republican candidate must pull his forelock in their direction. But suppose the left-liberals currently residing in the Democratic Party's basement joined the few old-style Republicans to retake that party.
I know; liberals and progressives will say what you're suggesting means we'd be abandoning the poor, the working poor, the unions -- abandoning our long-standing romance with the dead and gone New Deal -- and selling our souls to the corporations. Not so. Main Street Republicans are not Wall Street and Wal-Mart Republicans. Most of them have no more love for a corporate-bought Congress than we do. The most they want is smaller government -- and reminding ourselves of the wars, destruction of civil rights, and corporate socialism big government has brought us, we should to.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Within the Democratic Party we liberals are nothing but powerless supplicants . We either continue in our humiliation or we leave. I say it's time to depart.
N.B. The writer has been a Yellow Dog Democrat for -- well, forever. No longer!
Question: What do we do? Answer: Move to the Republican Party -- and take it over.
The Republican Party has a long history of supporting freedom stretching back to Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. As late as the 1960s the vast majority of Republican legislators voted for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. One hundred years ago it was the home of trust busters, pacifists, and progressives. It can be again.
And it's ripe for a take-over.
Since the 1960s changes in the nominating processes of both political parties have made the power of small groups of single-issue primary voters determinative. The most energized group in the Republican Party has been the crazy fundies; in most districts every Republican candidate must pull his forelock in their direction. But suppose the left-liberals currently residing in the Democratic Party's basement joined the few old-style Republicans to retake that party.
I know; liberals and progressives will say what you're suggesting means we'd be abandoning the poor, the working poor, the unions -- abandoning our long-standing romance with the dead and gone New Deal -- and selling our souls to the corporations. Not so. Main Street Republicans are not Wall Street and Wal-Mart Republicans. Most of them have no more love for a corporate-bought Congress than we do. The most they want is smaller government -- and reminding ourselves of the wars, destruction of civil rights, and corporate socialism big government has brought us, we should to.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Within the Democratic Party we liberals are nothing but powerless supplicants . We either continue in our humiliation or we leave. I say it's time to depart.
N.B. The writer has been a Yellow Dog Democrat for -- well, forever. No longer!
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I dunno, Ellen. You sound a bit like Jason here. It is his lifes mission to reform the Repubs.
My father was a repub as well as a champion for the poor and dispossessed, so I think you have many good points here.
I think if anything, I'll return to the Greens. Talk about a disfunctional Party ripe for takeover.
Maybe a third party is really the answer.
September 12, 2009 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 12, 2009 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Start the Real Public Can Party. Say it fast enough and no one will know the difference.
September 12, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is not Jason's mission to reform the Republicans, or he would be telling them to stop the racism and paranoia, to say nothing of the outright lies and hatred.
He'd rather spend all his time here, and harangue us all into being nice to them, the people who wish us ill. I for one reject that notion. No tolerance for their intolerance!
September 12, 2009 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Might I recommend the Communist Party? Or, you know, the Greens or something.
September 12, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ack!
September 12, 2009 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
From one yellow dog to another, thanks for starting this conversation.
Having lived in the South while it moved from segregation to integration and from Democrat to Dixiecrat to Republican (regardless of nominal party affiliation), I remain a bit reluctant to switch over to being a Republican, even though I respect the bits of party history you reference. Still, there is a potential alliance between traditional liberals like us and the folks on Main Street who are being ground into the dust by the corporate headlock on the governing structure of our country. And god knows I'm tired of being embarrassed and disappointed by my own party.
Unfortunately, Main Street is an easy target for the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys. And they don't cotton to talk of using tax money to help people unless you can prove it's good for business.
Main Street folks are tough nuts to crack. They don't collaborate well, not even when it's in their own interest to do so. That's one reason why suburban shopping center developers have found it so easy to blow downtowns to smithereens over the past half-century. They're independent and strong-willed, else they wouldn't survive as small business men and women. They're competitive rather than collaborative, which is why "socialism" is a dirty word to them.
So part of our task is to better understand them and exactly where, and how, our interests overlap. Then do a much better job of working with them.
Long term challenge, for sure.
September 12, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a registered Independent. Voted for Obama -still proud and glad I did!
The two party system dominance, IMHO, does not enhance democracy or the democratic process. Staunch party politicos (seem to be majority) place their Repub/Dem affiliation above what's best and needed for country.
That said, I also assert that majority of people in each party also breakout into 'groups' and want to breakout when not whole entity marches in lockstep with their stances. They all hold the 'party' responsible, resorting to negative reaction instead of positive action.
There are many from all political affiliations do want to achieve the same goals, just cannot agree on the methods chosen to achieve them!
Political Parties, ironically, are comprised of the same element as our government - We, The People.
September 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am more in agreement with the Republican who shares my office than I am with Max Baucus, Joe Lieberman and possibly even Al Franken.
He's not opposed to healthcare reform though he is as sceptical as I am about the promises made about the current bill. We both want out of Afghanistan and Iraq and want nothing to do with a fight in Iran.
We don't want the government messing with our civil liberties and don't trust the Patriot Act.
We could not care less about free trade but we'd sure like to think that one of the parties gave a damn about our jobs, particularly about the future jobs of our children. We both figure we got screwed in the financial bailout.
He's less likely to think the government can accomplish anything worthwhile, but I have to admit I haven't seen it do much worthwhile in several decades.
We're fed up with both major parties.
September 12, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bluebell, if you are more in agreement with a republican then you have had a stroke. Try looking in the mirror and smiling. If your face is distorted, you probably ought to go to the emergency room, which your republican FRIEND will tell you is an excellent way to receive health care. You can show up without any money or insurance card and get TONS of CARE! It's FREE! (Well, not exactly; they just can't turn you away, but they will definitely bill you many BIG BUCKS) But Hey! You had access! You are so narrow-minded I think sometimes I could suck your brain out with an 18 gauge needle in 2 seconds!
Screw you, Bluebell! It is one thing to say you are disappointed with Obama and all Democrats, but if you are saying republicans come closer to what you want, I have one thing to say to you:
YOU LIE!
And just like that creep, Wilson, You Know you're full of it.
September 12, 2009 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
And BTW, what put me over the edge in your comments, was including Al Franken, a VERY progressive Senator, with 2 fake democratic weasels, whom I will not name.
September 12, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say Republicans, plural, and I didn't say Republican Party, I said THE Republican who shares my office. I also said he's fed up with his party, as I am with mine. The point being there are a lot of not very happy Americans out there increasingly alienated from the system. That's one reason there is too little push back on the lunatics. People know they are lunatics but they aren't that unhappy that a group of Americans is expressing anger an distrust at the current state of our government.
As to Franken, he supported the Iraq War. He's not very progressive on foreign policy (I can't believe he'd ever vote against a defense bill, support the troops and all that) and he is a bit too willing to restrain his inner liberal when it comes to domestic policy. He'll be one of the "progressives" who are BIG SIGH so SORRY that they DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES for public option. One thing you can count on with "progressives", they are always so sorry they didn't have the votes.
September 12, 2009 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
And to give equal time to Senator Amy, one of the up and coming "progressives" in the Senate. Senator Amy road with Obama on Air Force One today but she made sure that the only thing that local news covered was her assurance that since 92% of Minnesotans already have insurance she wants to be sure that nothing Obama backs changes the status quo. She is the progressive prototype. She always has it both ways. She rides into Minneapolis with Obama and then frames herself in local media so that if the bill becomes unpopular here or goes down in defeat, well 92% of Minnesotans already have insurance so who gives a damn about healthcare reform. This is what we're up against!
September 12, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since none of the other commenters apparently noticed the obvious benefits of Ellen's intelligent suggestion, and I'm not in a mood to explain anything to anybody, let me just say...
Look again, all ye who did not look carefully before! There are many obvious benefits!
The only real problem with Ellen's plan is that the Left is all chiefs and no Indians...
The Left is all cowboys and no cows, and...
Progressives and liberals couldn't even coordinate so much as a ham sandwich among themselves, much less the takeover of a major party.
September 12, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what are your talents? I haven't noticed.
September 12, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go buy yourself a scanning electron microscope and devote every waking moment. And get back to us in a century or so. You may find something. May...
September 12, 2009 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
whaaaat?
September 13, 2009 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
What Rootie most often does is to throw a window open to the cold winds of reality and restore a sense of proportion.
September 13, 2009 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
WTF?
I mean....really. What the fuck does that mean?
Someone? Anyone?
September 13, 2009 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez Louise...isn't it just a tad early to be writing President Obama off?
He has been in office 8 months. How many Presidents have accomplished more than he has at this point in their presidency? And they weren't the beneficiaries of the worst economy since the Great Depression and 2 stinking lousy wars that almost literally no one wants to be fighting, and a country that is bound and determined to re-fight the Civil War, and 8 years of republican neglect.
I, personally plan on cutting him a lot slack before I start looking elsewhere. I'll tell you, we are really in an age of instant gratification...Last time I checked he is only one man and we didn't install a slate of elected officials that just rubber stamp everything he wants. If you want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at the "REPUBLICRATS" who are in it for power, money and sexual favors. Until we FORCE our representatives to start working for us instead of themselves and the lobbyists, you can vote for Mickey Mouse, or any party you'd like and nothing will change.
September 12, 2009 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glenn Greenwald says it better than I could:
Greenwald thinks we have to mount primary challenges within the party. To what? Bankrupt party coffers and insure antediluvian Republican victories in the general election? No.
People imagine the Republican Party looking like it does today after it's taken over by left-liberals in the primaries. It would look quite different, and those elected with our imprimatur -- those who defeated Schumer and Lieberman and Baucus and Steny Hoyer couldn't smirk and say, as the Democratic Party says today, "Where else can they go."
We have no power in the Democratic Party; we're taken for granted. Think of the Whigs; they weren't Whigs any longer when they became Republicans, but those who were liberal were still liberal -- and they mattered. Time for us to matter, too.
September 12, 2009 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
taken over by left-liberals in the primaries
Notwithstanding I am charmed by Ellen's (dare I say, Leninist) proposition, and standing second to no man in my enthusiasm for the old burrow from within, I doubt our ability to tolerate proximity to the current crop of assholes in control of the county apparat
I suppose the move is that 100,000 strong, we sweep into a district on the last day registration is possible and stage an electoral coup.
(Actually, not out of reach in states with same day registration....)
September 12, 2009 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 12, 2009 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Infiltrating the Republican party
If we had the chops to organize Ellen's putsch, we could just as well infiltrate the Democratic party--after all, we might not stand out there quite as much as your reference highlights.
September 12, 2009 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
'zackly
September 12, 2009 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't. I just can't. My imagination is completely inadequate.
September 12, 2009 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's proved he wasn't
To derive a proof, you must have correct axioms and accurate observations.
Suppose I try and sell you on this:
It's all about reconciliation. The financial strictures (900 bill limit--no deficit increase)together with: "we guarantee americans an afordable alternative"(or some language of that sort) and the need to keep states from drowning under the medicaid burden (that Baucus has in mind) will all militate a robust public option out of conference.
This is all stage business to corral the two or three who get us to 50 (don't you love Joe
Biden now...)
September 12, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
continued:
It's never been about the Republicans and cloture--that was a nonstarter from jump. it's about cover for the big squeeze.
I like to fancy Prez as a ""guerilla.
September 12, 2009 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, the timing is just right--as I recall the reconciliation instruction triggers on October 15.
Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
September 12, 2009 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I honestly thought Ellen was already a Republican (seriously, no snark!). Oops.
September 12, 2009 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just goes to show how echo-y this chamber has become. Anything not on the extreme left is viewed as not Democrat!
September 13, 2009 2:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Anything'? Are you referring to Ellen?
September 13, 2009 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, Aunt Sam, I was referring to opinions not a particular person. But nice try at attempting to make me look belittling because you can't discuss things in other, rational ways.
September 13, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have offered a lot to chew on here.
On this weekend of "Fighting BobFest," I am reminded that the reformist Wisconsin Senator Robert "Fighting Bob" La Follette was a Republican, albeit nearly a hundred years ago.
What you have presented here is an interesting thought experiment. But I cannot get past the transition stage wherein I would be aligned with the McConnell's and the Boehner's and so many others whom I find repugnant in nearly every category imaginable.
That said, I'm not sure what the solution is. The Democratic Party of the "Weeping Joe" Lieberman's and of the DLC-style "creampuff casper milquetoasts" and of the same corporate lobbyists who own the GOP is certainly not serving our interests. Third Party politics in a two-party system is structurally a non-starter. And so I'm left to further ponder your suggestion, along with any other way in which a real and sustainable revolution might best be supported and realized.
September 13, 2009 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
SJ,
re: Your last paragraph. I couldn't even put my toe in the murky pool that Bachmann, Coulter and Palin swim in either.
September 13, 2009 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is zero chance for progressives to take over the republican power structure. It just isn't going to happen. The nations finacial industry and our judicial branch is largely controlled by republican or conservative persons and they'll never let a liberal in the door. When it comes to selecting persons to hold positions in these areas the process is completely rigged and simply prohibits a democrat to be chosen. You will never see a liberal rise to power as the head of a major Wall Street company. Ever.
September 13, 2009 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
After watching all of those "teabaggers" at the Taxpayer March on Washington D.C. today, I would like to take this time to thank the Democratic party and President Obama. You have brought the Republican party back to life. See you in 2012, kids.
September 13, 2009 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I guess Bruce Springsteen brought the 80's back to life too--he had 70,000 people at his concert.
Good luck with that--and we're han more tready for ya!
September 13, 2009 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ellen, when I read this post just now, I imagined this soft, sexy voice reading it aloud to me....and, believe it or not, but....that didn't help.
I couldn't swallow this.
Can you offer me help with my gag reflex?
Oh, and, um.....eye makeup tips, too.
Definitely, eye makeup tips.
Thanks.
xoxo.
September 13, 2009 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
1)“For us liberals and progressives Obama was our last, best hope. He's proved he wasn't, and now, the Democratic Party is dead to us.” – Don’t know where you’ve been hanging but I’m not hearing any of that talk in the circles I run in (talking real world, not cyber). Just where do you think we’d be had McCain/Palin won? After only 8 months I’m still willing to give the guy time. He’ll never live up to all the promises, hell politicians have to promise voters too much stuff just to get out attention. If he mostly lives up to his promise as in potential I’ll be pretty danged happy.
2)the republicans already can’t run their own party
3)“re: Your last paragraph. I couldn't even put my toe in the murky pool that Bachmann, Coulter and Palin swim in either.” – Amen sister but you left out that blithering idiot Malkin. Ooogly.
4)“What you have presented here is an interesting thought experiment” – I thought that was what happens when I’m trying to decide between fruit or cookies.
September 13, 2009 2:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're forgetting one thing, if the US wanted Dennis Kucinich for President, they would have voted for him.
A yellow-dog that is ready to write off Pres. Obama in less than a year, in the most perilous time any president has ever faced; save Lincoln; is a yellow dog I can live without.
I don't want a homogenous party, and I'd hate to lose anyone who challenges and is a true progressive--(note;the progress part actually takes work)but-- If you leave now it just might save us from the distractions and fractures that eventually brought us Nixon and Raygun and George W--TWICE.
So no, I am not joining the Republican party, but I do think it's a great idea for you--and anybody else who may feel the same way. (I hope I don't sound too harsh, because I know it must be hard to get a grip when you are constantly handwringing.)
(Note to self--one more prog blog piling on Obama, one less directed at the 17 blue dog senators holding America's option hostage.)
September 13, 2009 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
a great idea for you,.
Chill, Hopeful P.
There is no chance of Ellen going Repugnant. She is neither evil nor dumb. Ellen has a real talent for the pungent turn of phrase (If I may be permitted the observation, being myself occasionaly sharp tongued...)and the provocative situational framing.
September 13, 2009 2:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I AM being told to chill? After this so called yellow-dog democrat has recommended that we abandon our President after 8 months in, in the middle of the fight of our lifetime, a fight that has real life or death consequences for an unforseen amount of Americans, to do what?
To join a party that at every opportunity disenfranchises, hurls hateful insults and not only threatens but commits physical harm to those who oppose them? A party that has created a haven for gay bashing bigots, misogynists, racists, and corporate pimps?
Chill, because it's just a post that is meant to be 'provocative' right? Not like negative posts dull energy or anything. No harm, no foul.
I just can't 'chill' right now, and any progressive that doesn't see what this moment calls for, this culmination of over 4 decades of hopes and dreams, WOULD honestly be better served by the republican party. Because this is history. This the Social Security, This is the Civil Rights Act, This is Medicare.
This is really the beginning of it all, why do you think the republicans are freaking out? So hey,if you are not on board now; even in discontent; what good are you?
September 13, 2009 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chill, because it's just a post that is meant to be 'provocative' right?
Well, not exactly,(altho you correctly identify the underlying premise...)
I merely meant that one need harbor no actual anxiety that Ellen's triennial post (and, I for one, would appreciate a fuller schedule...) portends a change in her voter registration.
She can be..how to put it... flamboyant.
*check the avatar...
September 13, 2009 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
.. flamboyant.
I had occasion to remark at the time...
September 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they wanted Baucus, they'd have voted for him. The difference is that Baucusism runs the party and at least for now the country and Kucinichism has no major party to represent it.
The ideological problem is not Obama. It's the party. Obama's problem is that we need FDR, and he's no FDR. He's LBJ with a Blue Cross no frills policy for the elderly.
September 13, 2009 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of healthcare, whatever a Baucusism is, don't sign me up. I don't want one.
September 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is sort of like saying that since somebody peed in the pool we'd all be better off going for a swim in the sewer. Thanks, but no.
There aren't enough liberal Democrats. There aren't ANY liberal Republicans.
September 13, 2009 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hereby recommend this comment.
September 13, 2009 3:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
a great idea for you,.
Chill, Hopeful P.
There is no chance of Ellen going Repugnant. She is neither evil nor dumb. Ellen has a real talent for the pungent turn of phrase (If I may be permitted the observation, being myself occasionaly sharp tongued...)and the provocative situational framing.
September 13, 2009 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, Ellen, but your priorities are just different than mine. Your focus is apparently on libertarian strain of thought on the Democratic side. And you correctly perceive that there are parallels to that strain of thought on the right, and that more of the defense of liberty might be transferable to the Republican Party.
But I'm a social democrat, a descendant of the socialist traditions, modified by democratic liberalism. My chief concerns are equality, democracy, strong communities, civic obligation, a prudent collective approach to common prosperity and the common good, and the rule of law. I tend to think that the left has been weakened over the years by an overemphasis on individual rights and individual liberties, and not enough emphasis on social solidarity, social economic cooperation, social commitments and social obligations. I believe in strong components of public investment and strategic economic planning at the government level, and in using law and government to distribute wealth more fairly and achieve egalitarian economic outcomes.
The Republicans will never possess a strong commitment to egalitarianism - and genuine democracy, which depends for its existence and survival on the maintenance of economic equality. Certainly the libertarian Ron Paulist fringe will never do it. They hate government, and love free enterprise. I consider them my opposition, not my potential allies. And I include all the other lovers of Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Friedrich Hayak and Austrian Economics in the mix.
Republicans will never be willing to do what needs to be done to wrest power away from the private, corporate-run order, and put it in the hands of a truly sovereign, democratically elected government. When it comes right down to it, they hate obedience to government more than they hate subservience to private economic power. That means that over the long run they are, in effect, enemies of democracy, since having a strong democracy means that ordinary people need to band together to constitute a strong government. Weak government and democracy are ultimately at odds, because the absence of government just creates the space for the most aggressive, ruthless, intelligent and manipulative among us to build their own tyrannical economic empire. Only the solidarity of the many, aided by the coercive power of government, can keep the power of the domineering few in check.
September 13, 2009 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans will never be willing to do what needs to be done to wrest power away from the private, corporate-run order, and put it in the hands of a truly sovereign, democratically elected government.
Agreed; but you're assuming that the current face of the post-Nixon, post-Southern Strategy party which opened its arms to segs and xians is the party we'd see if it were to be taken over by left-liberals. It wouldn't be.
Your argument is a sophisticated (lots of European flavors and fragrances) version of the DLCer's argument. Don't look at the Democratic Party's man behind the curtain (regularly selling us out); look at that beastly Republican over there and quake.
Accept that self-interested advice from the party pols and you've accepted our political impotence.
September 13, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't fee like you really responded to the points I raised, Ellen. I'm happy look at the men behind the curtain, and try to displace them. Both parties are dominated by wealth and corporate power. But if you displace the corporate power behind the Democratic Party and its DLC cheering section, you find that you are left with a progressive social democratic base. If you displace the corporate power behind the Republican Party, you are still left with a lot of far right yahoos and anti-government libertarians. So given my own particular values and political agenda, which might not be the same as yours, it seems hopeless to try to change the Republican Party into an entity pursuing a social democratic agenda.
September 13, 2009 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
left with a lot of far right yahoos and anti-government libertarians.
Well, there you have it.
I would encourage Ellen, who has already demonstrated her forensic skills, to get her hustle on (as it were) and crank up a think tank.
It is intolerable that we should even find ourselves in a battle of wit(!) with the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity and (precious blood of the sweet baby Jesus, the man is deranged....) Beck.
Ellen's particular talent for intellectual knife-play is just the ticket...
September 13, 2009 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
talent for intellectual knife-play
See what I mean?
September 13, 2009 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink