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Kudos to Joe Scarborough & Lindsey Graham


I so **rarely** get to write that statement .....  or any part of it.  Still, credit where it is due.

I caught just a bit of the show this am while heading out to work.  They had shown a clip of Glenn Beck with Katie Couric (she gets *all* the fun ones to interview!) and Joe S. started taking Beck to task, seriously to task, about his inflammatory talk and his responsibility for the logical consequences of such talk.  AND he said that conservative Republican leaders should speak up and disavow such talk or *they* would bear responsibility also.  'Bout time someone said it!!

And in Sullivan's Daily Dish this morning

"I am not going to give into sentiments that I think degrade the office of the president and that degrade the debate and the culture of our country. So if you come up to me calling the president a socialist, a Muslim, you're talking to the wrong guy," - Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

Are fall breezes bringing a tiny bit of sanity???    One can hope.




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Sanity! Oh, Sanity! I've missed you so.

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Flower,

Not to be overly pessimistic, but I'm waiting for the other 'shoe' to be thrown. Let's see them back up their words with some action of their own - such as publicly, loudly and often condemning the teabaggers, all media who promote the hate and lies, as well as fellow Congress members doing the same. Hmmm?

Even those diagnosed as criminally insane have instances of sane expression.

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What with O'Reilly supporting a public option, I think I'm getting a tad dizzy. Won't last, but it never hurts to pause and appreciate/remember what a genuine non-partisan moment feels like.

Ooops -- Just realized who Graham's statement could be read: that calling Obama a "Muslim" would be degrading the office of the presidency. Which it certainly would not although - sigh - he may have meant it that way. However, in the interest of the fleeing moment of sanity, I'll assume that he meant calling Obama a Muslim degrades the current debate -- which is does, since 1) it's well-established he's not a Muslim, bringing into question the motivation of anyone saying it and 2) his religion would have nothing to do with health care anyway.

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I have tried to point out some of these things too. However, I find that both Joe S. and Lindsey Graham to be horribly inconistent. I think they are influenced by their perception of the audience on the particular day.

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Sounds to me like those two have had serious Come-to-Jesus meetings with some pretty powerful rule makers.

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It's hard to say anything positive about Joe Scarborough but if wants to take Beck to task, great. It's hard to say much more that is positive about Lindsey Graham, but if he wants to refute the "Muslim/Socialist" charge, go, Lindsey.
On the other hand...we know these two, and they are not our friends.
So, is it possible that they are trotting out a new and improved GOP slur campaign? One that is more subtle? Because what are the words that are likely to stick when they are being reiterated, all day?: 1) "Don't talk to me about..."; or, 2) "Socialist/ Muslim."
Sorry for the cynicism.

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Its prudent to be careful with so many snakes crawling around. Just think if you had to walk around our nations capitol all day. It would creep me out to be in a place where I detest about half the people there. People who are so disgustingly dishonest I want to haul off and break their face. I wouldn't last five minutes there.

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I'm a bit more optimistic that these kinds of comments are a harbinger of something positive. Not being best buddies with Joe and Lindsey but the possibility that there may be an increasingly visible and vocal group within the Republican party that 1) wants to distance themselves from the rabid hatred and sheer stupidity of the fringe and 2) are prepared to be civil, cooperative and even work together with the administration on selected issues in order to retain some meaningful power.

One reason the Reps are SO lock-step and resist-no-matter-what-you-have-to-say is that is has been *working,* from the Clinton years on. If it stops working, then there are going to be Reps who will break out of the lock-step. I grew up when sometimes you had to double-check to see who was Rep and who was Dem because you honestly couldn't tell by how they were voting or who their allies were on different issues. (Dirksen, Baker, Jackson, Scott, Percy).

It's a long way back to times like that, but IF Obama can convince the Reps that staying in rigid lock-step is going to leave them simply "out of the picture" rather than "in power," then I'm confident we will start seeing the more moderate side of some of the Republicans ... and that's what Obama needs more than anything. If you can break up that *&^%$ strict party-line vote on everything, then bills will have to be looked at for their merits -- and Obama is smart enough to see that there are good, workable bills.

So, even momentary blips of reasonableness -- like the ones described above or Bill O's comments about the public option -- might be tiny cracks in the wall that has kept the more sensible Republicans from being working partners in this government. In fact, if one stands way back and looks at what Obama has been doing, you might be able to see a strategy aimed at loosening up the troops a bit, interfering here and there with the lock-step response on the other side. "If you play nice, you can come to the White House and I'll let you help shape things; if you don't I will, sadly, let you sit over in the corner and have your tantrums."

I think some of them may be getting a feeling that if they want to be in the game, they are going to have to step away from the extremists and start being (and sounding) more reasonable. At least, I can't recall a week in recent memory where three separate hard-liners said things that actually made sense, on three totally different subjects. One time is chance; two could be a coincidence; but when you get up to 3 or more, it's possible it could be the beginning of a trend.

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Good point, E2.

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I gave credit to Graham for the Sotomayor vote as well. Sometimes he can be surprising.

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Probably just a 24 hour virus going around. Hopefully the stable cable will reappear tomorrow and I will know that God is back in his place and all is RIGHT with the world.

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13 months until the mid-term elections. The GOP is now realizing the crazies cannot get it done. They cannot stop HCR, in some anoifestation. It will happen. Whether it will be good or not, remains to be seen. They are seeking the shroud of sanity to hide their efforts to return to power and continue the destructive practices they had committed while we were under the rule of Dubya and Dick. I'm eager to see how long they can hide their true selves as revealed during Dubya and Dick, and just how long is the memory of the American people. For me, they are the Party of Dubya and I hope the door hits them in the ass on heir way out.

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Keep in mind that Beck yesterday said he might have voted for Hillary for president, McCain would have been a worse president than Obama and that Johnny Boy is a "weird progressive" like Teddy Roosevelt.

Piling on Beck who is a lightning rod for criticism and has a successful advertiser boycott going against him - a precedent no conservative media star wants to see repeated - who also just proved himself a heretic and works for a competing network isn't exactly a profile in courage.

They're trying to make themselves look reasonable at Beck's expense. It's like Jack the Ripper pointing at Ted Bundy and saying "Now that guy's nuts!"


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Ah, but who cares about their motivation? (That's been a damn good lesson - from Joe Biden.) If they are going to *say* things like that and the people who listen to them/give their words some weight are going to *hear* those statements, then the attitude may stick with a few of those followers .... or at least pick up that wild, stupid hate-talk isn't welcome or respected. And that's definitely a step in the right direction.

Some black leader (wish I could remember who) said something to the effect that he didn't care whether a person was a racist, he cared how that person treated him. The worst racist in the world isn't a problem for anyone, except perhaps himself, so long as he doesn't act on his beliefs and doesn't discriminate. Likewise, the worst Beckish hate-filled idiot isn't a problem if he keeps his mouth shut.

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I guess better late than never!

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It is a breath of fresh air without a doubt. What Joe and Senator Graham said won't amount to a hill of beans for Beck/Limbaugh fans. My business partner is politically as far to the right as I am to the left and he feels, even before his comments on Beck, that Joe Scarborough is "just a liberal". Of course I just laughed right in his face and said that he considers anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun a liberal, then called him a police state loving fascist...but that is par for the course for one of our poltical discussions, LOL.

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