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Anyone have a primer on Medicare?


With more and more discussion of the proposed public option being, essentially, "Medicare for everyone"  (and with some in-depth conversations that are developing in my 'real' life), I'm wondering if anyone has a quick run-down of how Medicare works.  Specifically,

--  Medicare Parts A, B, C and D roughly translate to A = hospitalization, B = physician services, C = Medigap/supplemental policies, D = prescription drugs.   Right?
Does anyone know why "health care" has to be sliced and diced like this?

--- It looks like even if you are over 65, you have to pay for Part B (~$200 a month) and Part C ($?) and I can't tell for Part D.  So  that must mean there are seniors who *aren't* covered by Medicare for anything except for hospitalizations, correct?

-- What do those Medicare supplement or Medigap policies cover? Who pays for them?  Would whatever these policies pay for be part of the public option if we got one? 

Would any of this be simplified with a "government option" policy (Please!!)

Just  thinking aloud -- has any country wound up with single-payer health care that covers basic health needs but, if they choose, individuals can purchase from private companies coverage for things above that?  I'm not sure if that would work, but that Part C made me wonder.  

It just occurred to me that if we're going to be talking so much about Medicare and Medicare-for-all, it might be better to know what we're talking about.   And unless you're over 65 or so close to someone that age that you help with that care, I don't think most of us know a good deal about how Medicare really works.

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Here are two, one from inside government and on e from outside--those that don't trust the one may trust the other.

First, from the Senate Committee on Aging
http://aging.senate.gov/crs/medicare1.pdf

Forty three pages so it isn't a quick read, but it is authoritative. It can also be downloaded and printed off so you can send one to anyone who would benefit from it.

From the outside world, there's a primer prepared by the Kaiser Family Foundation. I got my health care through Kaiser back in graduate school.

The Medicare Policy Project provides a framework for the Foundation's work related to the Medicare program and the population it serves. In this area, the Foundation conducts research and analysis on current Medicare policy issues, monitors key trends, and produces fact sheets, resource books and reports to inform policy discussions. Recent efforts focus on Medicare and prescription drugs, Medicare reform, supplemental coverage, and the challenges facing vulnerable populations, including those with low incomes and people with disabilities.

http://www.kff.org/medicare/7615.cfm

It's shorte, (25pp.) There is also a large print version, and several fact sheets.

Hope these help

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Mike, you are definitely the Link Meister of TPM.

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If they offered a Ph. D. in Googleology I'd probably stand as a candidate. Thanks for the compliment. But I don't just Google. There are a couple of other search engines I love. One is http://www.clusty.com. It clusters search responses in a way which makes them frequently more usable. Not as many know it as should, I think. It's hard to get noticed when Google rules the world. I've got my more recent bookmarks on Delicious. Here's the link for that. http://delicious.com/amike

I couldn't not give a couple of links after such a compliment.

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I would have expected nothing less. Thanks

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Everyone gets part A, part B (which actually covers most other stuff) is currently $96 per month, part C is a rip-off that supposedly covers your deductibles and your 20% co-pay, and part D is the big Bush rip-off that may or may not cover medications (this and part C are from the big insurance companies, so they have all of the usual ways to make sure that they get your money but you don't get whatever you are paying for.) You can opt out of part B, but it is actually a good value for the money. The parts from insurance companies are not even worth the paper they are written on. That is my two cents.

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Part C, called Medicare Advantage, is actually private coverage for parts A&B it is not the same as buying supplemental coverage for the cost sharing that one incurs as part of A&B. Part C is an alternative to A&B. I t may have a different premium/cost sharing structure and provide additional benefits not included in the Medicare plan.

Whn people buy "Medigap", or have a retiree policy that supplements their medicare, of if they are poor enough and get Medicaid, those things can fill in the gaps in Medicare, either by providing coverage for services Medicare does not include, or by limiting out of pocket expenses (Medicare has no catastrophic limit so your bill for an extended hospital stay or a very expensive out-patient procedure could be extremely high). People who choose Part C are likely getting some supplemetal coverage as well.

An important point is that Medicare coverage for senior is subsidized of course by workers who are paying payroll and income taxes. I don;t think people could buy into that level of subsidy.

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Thank you both! -- and being a bit of a geek, I suspect I'll be doing some printing when I get back to my computer with a printer. But also appreciate your thumbnail take, Hmmm - that goes along with the impression I was getting trying to read the official web pages.

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Here's the Wikipedia link. Scroll down to out-of-pocket expense where they discuss costs to consumers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_%28United_States%29

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direct link to the section so you don't have to scroll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_%28United_States%29#Out-of-pocket_costs

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[[[Just thinking aloud -- has any country wound up with single-payer health care that covers basic health needs but, if they choose, individuals can purchase from private companies coverage for things above that? I'm not sure if that would work, but that Part C made me wonder.]]]

In my mind, that is precisely the RIGHT answer for our health care problems, one that I have advocated for quite a while.

I'm fairly sure that several of the well-known single-payer systems around the world already work this way (I've heard as much from an English contributer in here), but I would certainly defer to more informed opinions on that.

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That's precisely how the NHS works. It has an online presence if you want to find out detailed information. Cool website, too.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/

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The French system is another excellent example. The government pays for basic services, but most residents purchase private supplemental insurance to avoid excessive out of pocket expenses. The private insurers are non-profits in some cases, but also include for-profit entities. Like healthcare everywhere, the system is struggling to cope with increased costs due to advances in medical technology, but appears to achieve good health outcomes and is well liked by most French citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_France

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The wikipedia as mentioned by beetlejuice above has an EXCELLENT primer, I would recommend reading it first.

I wish it had been there when I had to figure out a lot of this a couple years back, it has everything there that took me hours and hours of surfing and then piecing together to figure out. I highly recommend you start there.

Once you do that, some tips from me on some of the things confusing you, what I had to learn the hard way, though the wikipedia entry should straighten most of it out for you:

It looks like even if you are over 65, you have to pay for Part B

Everyone pays a montly premium for Part B, medical services. In most cases it is deducted from their Social Security check, so many are probably not aware of it. In most cases, that is $96.40 a month; in the past that's what everyone paid, though in recent years, Congress has tinkered with means testing it upwards, having people with higher incomes pay more.

There is a deductible and there are co-pays.

It is set up like old time fee-for-service insurance, where you are NOT covered for preventive care, only if you are sick; i.e., it does not cover things like check-ups. Most people using it don't realize that about it BECAUSE all the providers have learned to use the claims codes as if the person is presenting with illness. Most older people using it have something wrong with them, anyways, so when they go for a check-up, the doctor just puts down that they came for care for their illness, and it's covered.

Part A...

Yes, Part A is hospitalization costs only, it is free for seniors, no premium, IF THEY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM long enough when they were working Wikipedia has the premiums down there for those that might have not, and they can be quite steep: $423 a month for a individual. There is also a quite steep $1,000 deductible for the first hospitalization, and you read the wikipedia, it does have limits, things can get expensive for those in the hospital a long time and their are lifetime caps.

Supplemental policies vs. Part C

Supplemental Medigap policies are not the same thing as Part C. Supplementals have long been offered to cover those deductibles and co-pays that Medicare has, and perhaps preventive care in some cases.

Part C, on the other hand, was an experiment created by Congress to get insurance companies involved in offering managed care for Medicare users instead of classic fee-for-service Medicare, because the latter is not preventive-care-oriented, and with the latter the continuity of care is up to the user.

After I did some looking into it, I found that contrary to much blog spin, the idea was not just to privatize or to hand out money to insurance companies for campaign donations. Clearly, it was also an experiment to see if managed care could get better outcomes than the mess of outcomes we are getting with traditional Medicare. (See Gatwande's now infamous New Yorker article on the latter.)

When all the providers are in a network and you have a primary care provider like with HMO's and PPO's, theoretically you have a primary care doctor trying to keep you healthy instead of just treating sickness, there wouldn't be so much useless or even harmful usage of testing and treatments, and specialists in the network would naturally share your records and history with the primary care doctor, something that does not happen in traditional Medicare, etc. Many suspect the fee-for-service nature of traditional Medicare is the reason for a lot of the spiral in health care cots with poor outcomes at the same time, because it is consumer driven rather than doctor driven.

The theory was to see if getting seniors who wanted to to agree to go into managed care would provide better outcomes and lower costs. The carrot for them was they would not have those same deductibles and co-pays they would have with traditional Medicare, and wouldn't have to worry about whether something might be considered preventive care, would feel free to go to the doctor to stay healthy, not just if they were sick.

That's because something does have to be done about the spiraling costs, uneven outcomes and even bad outcomes of Medicare fee-for-service, but for Congress to try to alter it, they end up being electrified by voting seniors. So they offered it as an option being run by insurance companies.

Needless to say, Medicare C has not worked out well well as inteneded, because for-profit insurance companies are involved in doing the managed care, just like the once-great idea of HMO's did not work out well at all after a couple of years. It simply introduced all the same problems we have with much of the insurance for the under 65 population, because managed care insurers for profit have perverse incentives. They are just different from the "money-driven medicine" incentives of consumer-drive fee-for-service.

If you go beyond the wikipedia entry to investigate Medicare Part C on the net, you will find there is tons of spin out there on it. The insurance companies offering the plans are arguing they are getting good results, have their own facts and figures, and then there are groups saying they are a big rip off and a pain in the butt with the denials of care, etc., with their own facts and figures.

Oh, I should mention that Medicare Part C has the benefit of being one plan to deal with. Many seniors now have to deal with basically 3 separate policies and coverage and rules: Medicare, then their supplemental policy, and then their Medicare Part D policy for drugs. It gets messy, it's not easy, especially for the very old. Medicare Part C might have appealed to some seniors for that reason, too, just one company and one card and one coverage to deal with for eveything, no arguments about who is responsible fot this or that. The plan pays (or denies you care, if you want to spin it that way) and the plan gets the money that Medicare would have been paying if they weren't (subject to wheeling and dealing, of course.)

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P.S. One other thing about Part C. Reading about it, I could see that the attraction for some seniors would be in getting a Part C managed care plan simply because there would be a whole network of doctors available. In some areas, it isn't easy finding doctors willing to take Medicare, i.e., someone suggests you should see a Dermatologist for that rash and you call 5 of them in the phone book and they all say they are not taking new Medicare patients, keep trying and then when you finally get one he is 45 miles away and you have to get one of your kids to take you and they are working. That's not easy to deal with if you're 92 years old. In a managed care plan, you just contact your primary care doctor and if he thinks you need a specialist, there is one in the plan, and often most of the docs have office hours in a building attached to the main hospital associated with the plan.

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Actually, you CAN opt out of part B if you want. This is not publicized to any degree, but you can do it.

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I'd like to add to my comments above a general statement that learnin' up on Medicare a bit really helped me cut through the spin on the problems with under 65 insurance, it helped me understand the situation better.

For example: You know all those horror stories about people with a sick kid hitting the $1 million limit on their policy or similar? Well, Medicare has limits, too, check out Part A, you can't be going into the hospital forever and ever and still be fully covered, it's just that we don't hear screaming about it as much because all of the people are over 65 and chances are they die before that. But Medicare for under 65, you'd run into similar limits on coverage for those with rare expensive illnesses and with constant life/death struggles. Another example is dialysis, it's very expensive, and it was controversial enough for Medicare to be covering it that Congress had to do something special to have it covered. When they did so, we got an explosion of dialysis clinics, some with very dubious reputations--the New York Times did a series on that several years back that was very good.

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Good point about reminding us that Medicare needs to be fiscally sound. When Social Security was founded in the 1930's there was a good chance you wouldn't live long enough to collect. Just as there are Cost-of-Living adjustments, there should have been Life-Expectancy adjustments. That is one of the reasons the system is bollixed up now. Same thinking will need to apply to a "Medicare for all" plan.

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Would you favor lifting the income caps on Social Security contributions so everyone pays the same rate? It seems to me that could have made, and would make, a big difference re solvency.

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Of course I'd favor that!

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Well, I "never" recommend my own blogs but making an exception this time, because this is truly a treasure trove of excellent information -- and information that we "informed voters" need to know to (hopefully) see a public option implemented or (if not) to assess the private plans under new regulation and assess the pilot programs that (I believe) would be part of a public-option-trigger arrangement. Thank you all very much. Got some studying to do.....

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There is no more shame to recommending your own blog than voting for yourself. And, I believe, we certainly hope our current President did.

A nice trilogy of recent blogs from you, Elizabeth2!

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I'm an insurance agent in Arizona (and a news and politics junkie) and I have mixed feelings about Medicare Advantage. Probably 50% of seniors are in these private Medicare plans in Arizona (if you take out seniors with company, military or state retirement health coverage).

Here in Tucson, HMO private Medicare plans were a model of efficiency and customer satisfaction back in the 90's. The plans included drug coverage and had no monthly premium - plus free gym memberships (all of which continue today). Although the plans have changed over the years, with higher co-pays for hospital stays and other services, many seniors here in Tucson have only known their Medicare HMO. These seniors, most with modest incomes, could never afford a Medicare Supplement ($200/month when you're 75+) and a Part D drug plan ($35-$45/month).

Medicare already announced back in March that payments to the private plans will be cut for 2010. Plans had expected an increase of 5% but will get only .5%, and the word is there will be increases in co-payments for 2010 plans. So things should be very interesting in October when seniors find out their Medicare has indeed changed - although Pres. Obama keeps saying they won't see any changes to their benefits.

I have a feeling Obama's advisors do not know the details of Medicare Advantage and how it works, and they do not see what's coming up in October. And you can bet the Republicans are poised to jump on these Medicare changes that will affect 23% of Medicare beneficiaries who are enrolled in these plans across the country. The kff.org web site has a Medicare Advantage tracker that shows that states like California, Florida, Arizona, and Pennsylvania have 25% to 34% of seniors enrolled in these plans. In Oregon it's 40%. Those are big numbers in key states. And after cuts in benefits for 2010, the cuts will keep on coming in 2011 and 2012 as HR 3200 proposed more cuts each year.

Starting in 2005, Republicans overpaid insurance companies for Medicare Advantage in an effort to make the plans more generous than "Original Medicare". Then they introduced "private-fee-for-service" Advantage plans that did not have networks and were attractive to more affluent seniors who are more mobile. It was all a plan to privatize Medicare - and this is my beef with Medicare Advantage. Now the Democrats are in power and they want to kill Medicare Advantage. So when Democrats cut payments to insurance companies, and insurance companies cut benefits and raise co-payments for seniors.....Can you see the trap the Republicans have set? 10 million seniors and are going to be mad as hell that their Medicare is changing.

I'll promote my blog in which I'm tracking news and notes on Medicare. I'm getting ready for October when there should be lots of news and reaction to Medicare Advantage changes. It's www.medicareblog.org


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I'd like to add a comment on understanding what Medicare is all about and how it works. I'm an insurance agent and my focus is Medicare because I'm advising rather than selling - because seniors need to make choices about their Medicare coverage. I tell people the best coverage is Medicare plus a Medicare Supplement, but many people can't afford the monthly premium for a Supplement (plus the part D premium).

I got a call recently from a man in Bullhead City, AZ which is way out in the middle of the desert and does not have many options for Medicare coverage, as in Medicare Advantage plans. This man lives on $1,100 per month and has Medicare. He was recently rushed to the hospital and spent a week getting treatments for a liver problem. Medicare pays all but $1,068 of his hospital bill, but he has to pay 20% for his doctors and various tests he had. He said he now owes thousands of dollars in bills, which he cannot pay. He still needs treatment, but doctors and labs have told him he needs to pay his 20% upfront or they won't see him. Needless to say, he hasn't got the money and is not getting treatment and tests he needs.

This example shows that Medicare alone is not adequate coverage, as 20% co-insurance can easily add up to thousands of dollars. And Medicare has no limit on what a patient might pay for their 20%.

Medicare beneficiaries who have less than $1200 per month in income can apply to have their state pay their Part B premium ($96.40/month)and can get a low income subsidy for their drug costs. The man in this example is getting this help, but he still was not protected from high medical expenses with his Medicare coverage.

I know Democrats hate Medicare Advantage, but they can work for a person like this man in Arizona. With most Medicare Advantage plans, his costs would have been limited to between $600 and $1,000. And he could see a specialist for treatment for about $40. He could get the care he needs if he were enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan.

I am a Democrat and I would like to see Medicare Advantage plans standardized (like Medicare Supplements are) so there would be less confusion over 40 plans, each with different co-pays and co-insurance. But if Democrats do away with Medicare Advantage, they are going to hurt lots of Medicare beneficiaries who cannot afford a Medicare Supplement (plus a part D plan). I'm afraid they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to Medicare Advantage.

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but doctors and labs have told him he needs to pay his 20% upfront or they won't see him

This is the type of thing that people in the blogosphere screaming "I want Medicare for all" don't seem to know about and need to know about.

I see little awareness of how many seniors struggle with making sure they have more than just Medicare coverage, and how they worry about whether something will be covered enough. (In some states the ones poor enough to get Medicaid coverage along with their Medicare have less of a problem this way, but the middle class retired are often have much anxiety involved with their medical treatment and how it's going to get paid for. Not saying that those under Medicaid get the best, far from it, but they have less worries about getting bills.) Sometimes I suspect it's because the "greatest generation" in general are not complainer types, they don't tell their kids what they are experiencing and going through, and their boomer kids don't find out about it until the situation gets rough and they are forced to get involved.

Thank you for your two comments, you really should share your experiences more widely, people really need to know going into this reform deal how Medicare is not perfection. Actually, I suspect if the Medicare plan was offered and explained to many without the name "Medicare" attached to it, that quite a few who tell pollsters they would be happy to have "Medicare for all" would refuse it as an unsatisfactory level of coverage for a "public option."

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P.S. Spending a significant amount of time visiting older family members in hospitals the last decade, and sharing stories of struggle with other relatives and other families one meets in hospitals, seems to me this story is not uncommon. As long as you are in the hospital, there's less of the uncertainty, but once you are out, and they do try to get you out ASAP, because of the way Medicare pays them, that's when the trouble begins, with follow-up.

I also have seen lots of anxiety about people being constantly switched with their supplemental plans. They often get them through some kind of organization like a union from which they are retired, and the organization is always trying to get a better rate for them, and that ends up with constant switching of the rules and the coverage and the providers on them, results in lack of continuity of care, and a feeling of nothing being sure. It's no wonder to me that so many on Medicare are resistant to any talk of change, as the reality for many on it is that they have to deal with constant change in their coverage the way it is....

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Changing a Medicare Supplement should not result in any gaps in care or payments. All Med Supps are the same - though retirement or union plans may be different than the supplements for individuals. I have met people whose retirement plans (which act as a supplement to Medicare) include $2,000 deductibles - which means they must pay out $2000 for their medical bills and then the plan kicks in. And these plans continue to rise in costs over the years. Individual Med Supps also go up, but a plan F (which can be bought from many companies (like AARP or Mutual of Omaha)provides 100% coverage with Medicare.

I met with a woman last week who is turning 65 in October and she chose a United of Omaha supplement for $90/month. She is an artist and owns a store here in Tucson, and she has not had health insurance since she turned 45 and her rates went sky high. She said she doesn't understand why Medicare just doesn't charge more and provide complete coverage and eliminate the need for Medicare Supplements.

My guess is that the "gaps" in Medicare were a payoff to insurance companies. It meant that they weren't cut out of the senior market completely with the introduction of Medicare in 1965.

Unfortunately,Medicare can be confusing for seniors (and even insurance agents)and they may not understand that Medicare alone, is not adequate coverage. In my line of work it is interesting to see how different people are: some, like the healthy turning-65 artist, thinks $90/month is a small price to pay to get the best coverage. Others think they can't afford the cost. This type of person is a good candidate for a Medicare Advantage (private) plan which has no monthly premium and includes a drug plan. I tell people they can pay in advance with a supplement or pay as they go with an Advantage plan. And actually, Advantage plans aren't bad - except for how they cover cancer. Most Advantage plans pay 80% of chemo therapy and radiation therapy - which is just like having only Medicare. This is the one big "gap" that I see in Advantage plans.

I can't understand why everything has to be so complicated. Imagine a 90 year old trying to figure out what the best coverage is? It's tough enough for a spry 65 year old. I guess that's where a truly national health care system would be much better. I make my living selling insurance, but I still think our system is a total mess. But I also know there is too much money involved the health insurance business to ever get rid of profit-driven health insurance and health care.

PS: If you're looking for a Med Supp, the only difference from company to company is the premium. Med Supps were standardized in the 1990's so every plan F is exactly the same from company to company. You don't even need to buy from a well-known company. Look for the lowest price.

PPS: But then, don't forget to get a Part D drug plan ($35 or more per month). And these plans ARE different company to company. Are your drugs on the company's "formulary"? You might pay a $30 co-pay with one company for your brand drug while another company might charge you $60 - because your drug is a "non-preferred brand" in that company's formulary. Is that ridiculous or what? Insurance agents get $50 to sign someone up for the drug plan and it's hardly worth the time and effort that SHOULD BE put into comparing premiums, prices, and formularies for a client. Don't get me started on how messed up Part D is. Premiums were $15 per month in 2006 and now they are up to $35-$45, and a new report says they'll go up another 20% over the next five years.

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I've started blogging on this site, so take a look at my posts. I'm going to share my stories of Medicare beneficiaries as well as my readings and research on what's happening with Medicare and Medicare Advantage. I think things will heat up in October when the private plans announce how their benefits and premiums will change for next year.

Also, in June 2010, there will be changes to Medicare Supplements, with the introduction of two new plans, M and N. These plans will have lower premiums than Plan F (the best plan, I think)and co-pays for seeing doctors. Plan N seems to be designed to compete with Medicare Advantage plans which have low premiums (or no premium) and co-pays.

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Thank you, and I look forward to your posts. You are really offering a great public service by sharing your knowledge. (Even putting aside the whole health care reform question, people of Medicare age need help figuring it out!)

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