Treasury committing treason [with updates]
Second update is this link which says Geithner has a dirty little secret. I think it's right on.
Original article starts here:
C'mon folks, don't shy away from it. Don't excuse it. Deal with it. That it was allowed under Bush does not justify putting up with it now. Harsh? Perhaps, but being complacent won't help things.
If it is excusable, then demand full explanations in detail.
Geithner's "plan" is fake or criminal.
I recommend a read of Hussman for a sensible if not quite perfect view and analysis.
Update:
I feel pretty strongly about Geithner's PPIP plan as presented: It stinks.
And what bothers me more is that the national debate I'm seeing is framed as Geithner's PPIP "as is" versus Krugman's nationalization. That's a false frame, there are other options.
Geithner's plan might work as a way to sell off "toxic assets" ... AFTER a bank fails and is taken over by the FDIC. In that scenario inflating the asset prices makes a lot of sense; I want the FDIC to get the most bang for the buck. What is insane is to try to inflate prices in the name of authentic public price discovery. It's one thing to run a fair auction, another to bias the auction from the start. PPIP does the latter, and puts the burden where it does not belong. And I say "might work" on purpose.
Further, keeping bank management, shareholders, and unsecured creditors (eg, bond holders) from taking haircuts, this is just a giveaway to no good end. If Geithner would make those bank players pay the piper as part of PPIP, I might not hate it so much. What he's planning to do amounts to paying off speculators who have bought bank stocks or bonds in the banks recently at steep discount in the open markets, and allowing mismanagement to continue in their jobs with only token bonus caps etc.. ... while also propping up new speculators who might buy the "toxic assets". Hey, remember that most of these assets are not real assets like houses, they are capitalized IOUs and sliced up risk category documents, what I call "assetization"
There are other ways to deal with the situation. Getting it so wrong shows a deep bias at Treasury. For instance, did you know that PPIP is basically a plan proposed by large bond holder Pimco last fall? If this isn't treason, it's incompetence.
Please contact the White House House and Senate on this.
And if you disagree with the substance of my position, please let me know how and why!
To review, some other options: Use PPIP after intervention with FDIC as nominal seller; let problem banks struggle on at low profit margins and help new banks to start up to get lending going (to the extent that bank problems are fundamental causes not effects!!), non-nationalization Intervention, and others....
Original article starts here:
Elizabeth Warren, in charge of oversight of the financial industry bailout, told a congressional panel Tuesday that the Treasury Department has not been cooperating with her efforts to oversee the project.In one word: Treason.
C'mon folks, don't shy away from it. Don't excuse it. Deal with it. That it was allowed under Bush does not justify putting up with it now. Harsh? Perhaps, but being complacent won't help things.
If it is excusable, then demand full explanations in detail.
Geithner's "plan" is fake or criminal.
I recommend a read of Hussman for a sensible if not quite perfect view and analysis.
Update:
I feel pretty strongly about Geithner's PPIP plan as presented: It stinks.
And what bothers me more is that the national debate I'm seeing is framed as Geithner's PPIP "as is" versus Krugman's nationalization. That's a false frame, there are other options.
Geithner's plan might work as a way to sell off "toxic assets" ... AFTER a bank fails and is taken over by the FDIC. In that scenario inflating the asset prices makes a lot of sense; I want the FDIC to get the most bang for the buck. What is insane is to try to inflate prices in the name of authentic public price discovery. It's one thing to run a fair auction, another to bias the auction from the start. PPIP does the latter, and puts the burden where it does not belong. And I say "might work" on purpose.
Further, keeping bank management, shareholders, and unsecured creditors (eg, bond holders) from taking haircuts, this is just a giveaway to no good end. If Geithner would make those bank players pay the piper as part of PPIP, I might not hate it so much. What he's planning to do amounts to paying off speculators who have bought bank stocks or bonds in the banks recently at steep discount in the open markets, and allowing mismanagement to continue in their jobs with only token bonus caps etc.. ... while also propping up new speculators who might buy the "toxic assets". Hey, remember that most of these assets are not real assets like houses, they are capitalized IOUs and sliced up risk category documents, what I call "assetization"
There are other ways to deal with the situation. Getting it so wrong shows a deep bias at Treasury. For instance, did you know that PPIP is basically a plan proposed by large bond holder Pimco last fall? If this isn't treason, it's incompetence.
Please contact the White House House and Senate on this.
And if you disagree with the substance of my position, please let me know how and why!
To review, some other options: Use PPIP after intervention with FDIC as nominal seller; let problem banks struggle on at low profit margins and help new banks to start up to get lending going (to the extent that bank problems are fundamental causes not effects!!), non-nationalization Intervention, and others....
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Really eds? this is what you're going to go with? Comparing Geithner to the Rosenbergs and al-qaeda agents? I get the general point but you need to cut down on the coffee or something.
March 31, 2009 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well now I'm going to have to update my damn comment as well, aren't I...
;0)
March 31, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please do! :-)
I see you mentioned Bloomberg in another thread. And did you see my second update link (top of post)?
March 31, 2009 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw that update. I don't know what to think of all this derivative exposure. I don't get most of it, but it seems the important figure is Net Exposure. I don't know if that very notion breaks down when supposed hedges break down in a wild market where correlations go wonky...
March 31, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notional value is not as important as "market value", the amount at risk according to some model or the collateral.
Interest rate swaps last year stood at $460T notional and about $9T market value, well over what CDS had to "offer".
Again, the proper course of action is to invalidate contracts which violate public policy, similar to ordinary bankruptcy but on the leading edge of public policy in service to the public interest. Gamblers and crooks don't deserve our money, even if as people they deserve the due respect (sympathy or jail or death).
March 31, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
More like Cheney as a shadow government or obstructing justice in contravention to his oath of office. That kind of treason.
How do you get AQ agents as "treason" from within the government?? Are you saying Cheney was working with AQ? I know some spout that line.
Please see the updated version...
Yes, I'm a bit wound up, but not on coffee or such stimulants. More like my brain is failing me...
March 31, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you see they're also suspending M2M?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=awSxPMGzDW38&refer=india
March 31, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
reply below too...
" Allowing companies to hold on to assets without writing them down could discourage them from selling the securities, which would work against Treasury’s objective to resuscitate markets, he said."
That is a mixed bag, but it's easy to make this black and white: Either you trust the banks' judgment and so get rid of PPIP, or you think the banks are wrong now and would be wrong if this goes through and thus think PPIP stinks anyway.
"Fair-value requires companies to set values on most securities each quarter based on market prices. Banks argue that the rule doesn’t make sense when trading has dried up because it forces them to write down assets to less than they’re worth. "
That trading has dried up does not mean that you have to mark the asset down. Where do they get this bullshit??????????
March 31, 2009 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
mixed bag?!?! you mean shit AND manure... i guess
March 31, 2009 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
As applied to PPIP, that's fair enough, but I am trying to write with a larger focus than just that.
March 31, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I had not yet. Terrific Thursday. If they change the rules that way, does that pretty much moot Geithner?
"The changes proposed on March 16 to fair-value, also known as mark-to-market accounting, would allow companies to use “significant judgment” in valuing assets and reduce the amount of writedowns they must take on so-called impaired investments, including mortgage-backed securities. A final vote on the resolutions, which would apply to first-quarter financial statements, is scheduled for April 2. "
March 31, 2009 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you wanna charge Herz with treason as well now, smarty pants?
Geez eds, I wasted a couple of hours today on some other thread defending your seriousness and thoughtfulness, and you come up with this title?
just fyi:
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavor.
March 31, 2009 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Herz?
How did you figure AQ agents?
If you're not kidding, what other thread?
Dictionary time?
I think you have to give me at least 2 out of 3 here. :-)
March 31, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Herz is the FASB chairman - changed the M2M rules.
2. I remember reading some story about a guy who got charged with treason for propagandizing for al qaeda.
3. Got into a heated argument with havethoughtwilltravel on her latest post which is basically one big trashing of eds.
4. you're throwing a serious word around too lightly. (seriously, you gonna use it every time there's a dispute between executive and congress, or there's a corporatist shill in government?!). And its 'shock' value isn't going to get many people to read this. I can barely get my eyes through it...
March 31, 2009 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
#4 okay.
I see a pattern of problems, not just one instance. It's pretty serious to me if Geithner has been seduced by the perfume of Wall St. (think - mistaking a mixed bag of shit types for rose petals in Iraq).
I got the idea that a provocative title might attract attention. Maybe it was from my impression last week that I was being chided for being too serious here at TPM. Maybe it's just due to feeling like I've been run over by a bus, and I mean that literally as well as virtually.
March 31, 2009 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the news on this plan is awful. Even Krugman's kind of thrown in the towel, saying there are too many political constraints (Dodd, Schumer and Frank, I take it) on the administration preventing them from dealing seriously with the crisis. (see excerpt from his blog, below). Meanwhile progressives have their heads in the sand, saying 'no one knows anything, we should just trust Obama and Geithner and hope for the best'. There's no pressure from the left to move towards serious action.
That's the background for my exchange with HTWT today. A lot of people take any criticism of the Treasury plans as betraying the 'cause', as breaking ranks. Throwing around shock language isn't going to make them listen. It's just alienating. They don't understand that supporting Obama qua progressive involves an obligation to push HARD for real action on this.
It's starting to dismay me. The denial isn't just on Wall Street, it's right there among all those hopeful Obama voters.
From the Krugman blog:
Adam Posen, who really really knows what went down during Japan’s lost decade, says:
What the Obama team is proposing is disconcertingly similar to the actions of Japanese Prime Ministers Hashimoti, Obuchi, and Mori in 1995 and 1998: Rather than ask the legislature for straightforward recapitalization money, you have the political leadership preferring to risk overpaying current owners of toxic assets rather than forcing sales. For all of Japan’s supposed intervention in markets, its government still lacked the stomach for taking over banks, let alone closing them.
To be fair: the Obama team really does face huge political obstacles in doing the right thing. Maybe it really can’t be done; as Rahm Emanuel said about me, “[unprintable].”
But we shouldn’t kid ourselves. Japan is us.
March 31, 2009 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've now, finally, commented in that other blog, thanks for the heads up, I have not had time to scan the Reader Posts lists today.
I read Krugman at his blog. The [unprintable] strikes me as a snarky joke. If you read the article what Rahm is quoted on is not a four letter word kind of observation, it's more a "put up or shut up" in good language.
April 1, 2009 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
My comments at Krugman's blogs today:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/geithner-san/#comment-159535
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/partying-like-its-1931/?apage=2#comment-159517
and here is a comment shortly after mine in the first blog above:
"Perhaps they are buying time. ... " http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/geithner-san/#comment-159575
April 1, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
btw, the above comment establishes that I can post 3 links in a comment, at least in re my own blog post.
April 1, 2009 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
In what ways might eds ruin a good reputation in one fell swoop. I know go from reasoned concern and some valid arguments to the looney side. Thus invalidating all that has come before. I now feel comfortable ignoring all that will now come after.
March 31, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for stopping by. If that's all ya got, good riddance.
And read the fully updated post and my replies in comments, please.
March 31, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink