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On Proportionate Responses


The recent actions by Israel have been condemned by many churches and governments. Their main complaint is that the Israeli actions are out of proportion to the Hamas offenses. They imply that they would not be condemning Israel if the responses had been proportional. We need to look at this issue in light of the facts:

 

  1. Hamas launches rockets into Israel specifically aimed at civilian targets.
  2. Hamas places its leadership and military centers specifically in civilian locations
  3. Hamas locates rocket launchers in or near schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods
  4. Israel tries to target only Hamas leadership, military, and launching sites

 

Given these established facts, we can only conclude that:

 

  1. Hamas doesn't make a distinction between civilians and combatants unless it meets its political agenda
  2. This agenda places Palestinian civilian at risk intentionally.
  3. Hamas wants to increase Palestinian civilian casualties because it makes Israel look bad

 

Given these fact and conclusions I have to conclude that the criticizing governments and churches want the following actions that would be proportional responses:

 

  1. Israel should start lobbing rockets into civilian neighborhoods regardless of whether Hamas has facilities there
  2. Israel should make elimination of any concept of a Palestinian State a part of its political goals in the same manner that Hamas has the elimination of Israel on its agenda
  3. Hamas fighters captured in battle should be held without notification of their being held.
  4. Bodies of Hamas fighters killed in battle should be held and implications made that they are alive and will be returned if certain concessions are made by Hamas.

 

Do the churches and governments really want proportional responses? If they do, they will be instrumental in perpetrating a higher level of civilian suffering than has been seen to date.


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Why don't you denounce the decades-old occupation?

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Thank you for this fabulously thoughtful, creative & productive response.

In fact, I've taken such a liking I think we should extend the principle to every issue. And since there's no place to start like right here at home, I checked your Bio.

So MY suggestion is that we do to YOU what you & your MBA's & corporate treasurers have been doing to US these past years.

Sad. Just sad.

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Proportional suffering.

Ye Gods, what an embarrassment. Go away.

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draw any conclusions you need to justify your inhumanity. if you allow your enemy to determine the morallity of your actions, all you have is portable values

at the end of the day, it isn't about what your enemy did

it's about what YOU did

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Truyhseeker:
The occuption was started bt Jordan and Egypt. Israel offered at one time to give Gaza and most of the west bank back to Jordan and Egypt. The refused.

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To Quinn esq.

I have been criticizing my colleagues approaches for years.

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This was written as a piece of sarcasm.

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Ok, fine. All of it? Or just some of it? Are the facts still facts, or were you being sarcastic there? 'Cause I gotta say, this one came off as you just being a complete knob.

Now, maybe you were just doing world-class snark, and if so, then I'm the knob. And'll be happy to admit it.

As it is, color me uncertain.

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Given these established facts, we can only conclude that

Wow. What "facts" did you establish? The Israeli government's? Because all of your "established facts" echo the Israeli government's talking points to the letter.

Of course, no facts can be corroborated when Israel won't let reporters into Gaza.

In the meantime, "proportional response" is a reference to international humanitarian law. Violating international humanitarian law is a war crime. (Same with "collective punishment.")

Not surprisingly you fail to mention "the fact" of the blockades.

In any case, thanks but no thanks for taking this discussion absolutely nowhere!

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"Proportional" is not the same as "Congruent".

"Proportional" does not even require "similarity".

Israel has no reason to believe in a proportional response because their only advantage is superior firepower and training. A proportional response would allow Hamas to do their worst while pulling their own punches. Hence the invasion.

I don't pretend to ascribe any morality to either side. They're all idiots who made their own beds years ago.

Let 'em duke it out.

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