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EFFICACY IS A KEY ISSUE EMERGING IN HEALTH CARE DEBATE


If you are a patient in 21st century American Medicine I have some shocking news for you.

A significant portion of your health has NOTHING to do with the enterprise/business of American Medicine. Social factors like poverty and jobs are much more important for example. This has been known for years but paternalistic organized medicine has duped us and infantilized us.

Much of what doctors do to/for people has never ben proven to be effective-putting aside that MUCH of what they do is unsafe! especially in hospitals. Surgeons are especially culpable.

Please read ”this provided by Maggie Mahar “When it comes to wasteful healthcare spending, the work done at Dartmouth by Dr. Jack Wennberg and Dr. Elliot Fisher does the best job of exposing how much money we spend on unnecesary, unproven, and sometimes unwanted treatments and hospitalizations."

I would add Dr. Nortin Hadler from University of North Carolina who has also brilliantly explicated how much US health care has been unproven to be effective or even worse safe. Hadler's book The Last Well Person is a true landmark.

And of course Shannon Brownlee’s new book Overtreated is excellent validation of its own title.

Today Dr. Steven Schroeder published an article- maybe the most important article in on health care reform in a decade in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine drove home these points and more.

READ THE DARTMOUTH RESEARCH THESE BOOKS I'VE RECOMMENDED AND THIS OUTSTANDING ARTICLE PUBLISHED TODAY.

Wake up America-Grow up America- Retake your health care.

Be Well and-

"See you on the new highground!"

Dr. Rick Lippin

http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com


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One of the challenges is measuring efficacy. As you know, it's pretty well the standard not to speak in terms of years of life saved per dollar by some intervention, but quality-adjusted years of life saved (QALY). Wikipedia nicely summarizes several of the quality scales, such as the Karnofsky Scale, but I find many of these scores to focus more on very tangible measures. One emergency physician friend observes that you can be dead and still have a Glasgow Coma Score (GCS) of 3.


Just as one factor not easily addressed by these scales, what about memory loss from an organic brain disorder? A patient can be fairly competent in activities of daily life, while losing more and more of what makes him uniquely himself. One of the bravest men I know developed early-onset Alzheimers', and his response was to collect some of his students and apprentices, and desperately try to pour out his immense knowledge of herbal gardening before the nuances were gone forever from his memory. Sometimes, his collaborators might be able to jog his memory, or provide the missing piece.


We commonly rate pain as a scale of 10, but that's very subjective. Not long ago, I read a complaint, from an ER physician, about drug-seeking patients. He said that he was actually fairly liberal about giving opioids, but he would appreciate people not insulting his intelligence by telling him their pain was 10/10 while continuing to eat a Big Mac. Some of us, admittedly, might consider the act of eating a Big Mac high on the pain scale, but I digress. When I've been asked, I've never responded higher than 9/10, as my assumption is that 10/10 would render me incapable of speech.


Again as an aside, when I was staying with a physician friend, I had a back spasm and asked him to glove and put on some capsaicin cream. Telling him where to start, I directed him properly, telling him the sore spot was more medial and caudal. When he found the spot, however, I simply screamed, and he said "Ah. That must be it."


How does one rate the functionality score of a Stephen Hawking, and should the immense amount of support he receives be considered? It was heartwarming in its way, but a mark of very special support, that he had some weightless flights paid for him, and he moved, independently of his chair, for the first time in decades.


What is the efficacy of a drug, administered to a terminal patient, that lets them slip away into death, fully aware of their loved ones, able to say goodbyes, and then go gentle into that good night? Is the drug efficacious for one who does not want to go gentle into that good night, but rage, rage against the dying of the light?

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Be assured, Howard,as a physician, I am NOT trying to dismantle or destroy the miracles of modern bio-medicine

I and others ARE,long overdue,asking questions about efficacy-Does it work??

Yes I also like the QALY scales.

Also I endorse a Bio-Psycho-Social-Spiritual(BPSS) model of health. Bio-Medicine is not inheresntly bad. It IS very incomplete. I have written and spoken at conferences on my BPSS model of Health.

Thanks Howard

Be Well,

Rick Lippin

http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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No disagreement. I am just somewhat frustrated with the quality of life measurement instruments.


The sister of a friend was in home hospice care with end-stage ALS. As you know, some patients can keep themselves alive, against all apparent odds, until something important in their lives is complete. In this case, the patient wanted to stay alive until her sister, stranded by a blizzard, could get there and they could sing some treasured songs together.


In this case, the hospice team got more aggressive than they normally would, because the patient was very, very clear about her intention. Shortly after my friend arrived, her sister smiled at her, they began singing together, and then the patient quietly stopped breathing.


How do we measure the efficacy of something that bought that day or so or survival? How do we contrast it to the same measure that extends the life of a different patient, in terrible pain?


I have no simple answers. I'm not even sure if I'm asking the right question.

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Howard

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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

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Howard-

I completely understand these unsolvable conundrums

We must increase our uncertainty and ambiguity tolerance

Maybe we need to revel in "the unanswerable?"

Rick Lippin

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We must increase our uncertainty and ambiguity tolerance

Boy do I agree with that statement! If we psychologists knew how to do that for everyone, we as a society would be a lot farther along in so many ways. The absence of that tolerance leads to things like fundamentalism and bigotry and the desire for total control of so many things.

I'm glad to see you follow the bio-psychosocial spiritual model. I concur.

I must say, however, that I am extremely opposed to "manualized" psych treatments. For therapy the relationship carries more of the variance in outcomes than anything else. And it needs to be a relationship that is not controlled by external factors or structures. It must be private, confidential and flexible. Others may disagree, but you'll never convince me to practice differently.

Thanks for educating people about the medical side. Please leave room for my side of it (not that I feel you've done that, but the readers may not realize you're only referring to physical medicine, not to psychotherapy, which can be powerfully helpful and is part of health care)

Back to your comment on tolerating uncertainty and ambiguity. That, for sure, is one sign of good mental health. And you could say it's an outcome goal, though not everyone may get there. Spiritual paths, which can be very akin to good psychotherapy, also aim in that direction - at least the paths that do not follow fundamentalist, coercive leaders.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment here.

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"uncertainty and ambiguity tolerance"

Dr. Lippin,

I am wondering if you follow the health newsletters, such as those by Drs. Whitaker, Sinatra and Laux. What you are saying seems to be consistent in broad outlines with what they are saying. I have found that at least some alternative treatments actually do work, but my tolerance for uncertainty is challenged when newsletters recommend specific products.

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My sense is that some alternative treatments, or subsets of the alternative area, do work, but, more than even the customized and moving to genetic drugs we see in allopathic medicine, whether they will work is another matter. A few examples and trends:

  • Chiropractic. An NIH Consensus panel did actually show them to be most effective for acute back pain. A possible trend, where I know about 4 practitioners that have done it and think highly of the combination, is to become trained in both chiropractic and physical therapy. The practitioner I saw, who, quite importantly, works closely with allopathic physicians, explained the combination as "physical therapy methods are best for building strength; chiropractic methods are best for building flexibility.:"
  • Acupuncture and related techniques. I see them as something to be tried in a multidisciplinary pain medicine program. We do know we can create acupuncture-like effects with TENS. This is an area where some serious studies of the effects need to be made in conjunction with functional brain imaging, and possibly nerve conduction. Anecdotally, I've known of it helping, including for arthritis in a couple of dogs who definitely don't read the literature. With a different technique, I saw moxabustion have some objective effects for which I have no explanation.
  • Visualization and meditation, perhaps with biofeedback. Significant possibility these will help in pain management; effects in other areas not clear.
  • Herbalism There is no question that some plant-derived drug have potent effects. In the US, there's no economic incentive for drug companies to try to get approval for an herbal extract, as they can't patent it -- otherwise, valerian, for example, shows safety and efficacy in randomized controlled tests. With those caveats, I am in a constant argument with an herbalist friend about bringing any science to the practice, as basic as standardizing the amount of dry extract weight in a liter of tincture.
  • A few comments only, and there is, without question and with some objective evidence, certainly a mind-body connection.


    As far as other disciplines, before a homeopath explains why I believe the method should work, I want him to say "Avogadro's Number" several times, explain it coherently, and then discuss how a drug, diluted such that no molecule of it may be in a preparation, remains active.

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    My understanding is that herbals are used extensively in Germany, and a lot of research seems to be coming out of Japan, trying to isolate the uniquely healthy chemicals in their diet.

    On the other hand, a local doctor was accused of murder when a young woman he had injected with something unorthodox turned purple and he allegedly did not recognize the signs of a serious blood complication.

    I am not qualified to comment on the legal issues. I have never heard of a medical malpractice case leading to a charge of murder before, but maybe that is just a sign of my ignorance. Should there be more murder charges or fewer? I have no idea.

    What I can say is that the disorganized and contradictory approach taken to alternative medicine in this country raises frightening issues for both doctors and patients.

    It also raises frightening issues for those who might wish to share information with friends or relatives.

    But I suppose that if we give up our freedom to be disorganized and contradictory, that will mean that the terrorists have won. Personally, I feel more threatened by the disorganization and contradictoriness.

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    Germany does have a strong testing and licensing program for herbals, and their patent law is sufficiently different from the US that there is an economic incentive for a company to do trials on herbals.


    You touch on something involving both the proper standard of care by medical professionals, and the Good Samaritan laws for bystander aid. It is rare for medical malpractice to result in criminal charges, although I have seen rare cases where the conduct was so egregious that, for example, manslaughter was charged. IIRC, there was a case at Walter Reed where the anesthesiologist asked about allergies of a patient, was told she was severely allergic to an antibiotic, administered it anyway, and then tried to cover it up by altering records. The various cases where passive or active euthanasia may have been used are a different category.


    I've had one experience where I felt an alternative medicine professional should have, at least, lost his licence. We all have if-only experiences in our lives, and this was one of mine. Usually, we talked to our inlaws once or twice a week, but it happened that I didn't talk to my stepfather-in-law, who had become like a father to me, for about 3 weeks. My mother-in-law mentioned he had a backache and kept going to the chiropractor, but that was nothing new.


    Then, we got a call from Frank, my SFIL, himself. In a weak voice, he described the nature of the pain, which, until proved otherwise, was a classic description of visceral (internal organ) damage and was not associated with the back. I then learned he was calling from the ER, and the family asked me to talk to the physician. Establishing rapport with the physician, I was told Frank had blown an aneurysm of the abdominal aorta, and the size of the aneurysm. At the time, Corpus Christi, where he lived, had no open-heart or interventional cardiology capability, and it was unlikely Frank could have survived a trip to Houston. He died the next day, and even the world-class facilities in Houston probably could not have saved him.


    If the chiropractor, several weeks before, had recognized the nature of the pain and sent Frank to a physician, the diagnosis could have been made. At the time, surgical intervention for an aneurysm of that size had a fatal outcome about half the time, but, if the intervention succeeded, it restored quality of life and extended it. 50 percent is a lot better than zero.


    I don't believe all chiropractors, and indeed alternative medicine practitioners, are quacks. I can think of several allopathic physicians about whom I would comment in duckspeak. In this case, though, the chiropractor didn't know enough about general physical diagnosis even to ask for a consultation. He was one of those that thought everything was controlled by the spine, and I consider him guilty of manslaughter.


    Turning to a different area, Good Samaritans are usually protected against suit from actions done in good faith. There is, however, often the exception that the action is something the Good Samaritan was qualified to do, often by licensure. I know advanced paramedics that carry a trauma kit in their car, but will not, for example, insert an airway while in a state where they are not licensed. The paramedic is completely qualified to do so, but it is accepted practice that paramedics operate under medical control, and should not do advanced interventions when outside their system.


    Still, there are tough calls. Were I in a remote area, and a friend was injured in a manner that was a serious threat to breathing, I'm not sure what I would do if there was no reasonable chance of getting him to a hospital. There are interventions that I understand anatomically and physiologically, that I've watched, and even had done to me, but I am in no way licensed to do the procedure. I hope I'm never in the ethical abyss of being in a situation where I'd break the law doing something that might kill a friend, but where the friend would almost certainly die without the intervention.

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    Here's another thought regarding efficacy and psychotherapy.  I think the efficacy lies in the skill of the therapist and the relationship factors between therapist and patient.  So you could say there are efficacious therapists, who may do best with certain types of patients.  Rather than efficacious treatments per se.  Just a hypothesis.  But based on long clinical experience.

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    Interesting observation. My own test for a successful therapeutic interaction is that in almost every session, one or both of us should find something genuinely humorous. Laughter is excellent medicine.


    Even with therapists where I did not feel as much connection, a session with some humor generally produced something. It will be interesting, given that I have limited choice of EMDR practitioners, if the focused nature of the interaction will override my first-session coolness to the therapist. TBD if the relationship factors are as critical in a more directed therapeutic model.


    While it wasn't a psychotherapeutic model, I still wonder about the dynamics of my relationship with my last podiatrist, who almost always preempted the punchline of my medical jokes. At times, I was reduced to making feeble remarks about a reverse Cinderella, in this case having someone incredibly attractive examining my feet. I was worried that one day, going to the parking lot, I'd find my car turned into a pumpkin.

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    Howard

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    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

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