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I found two good blogs today - one through a Sharon Astyk link and then from that link to the other.

Stony Run Farm: Life on One Acre The unlimited accumulation of wealth

*Guest post by Plato (428-438 BCE approx., The Republic, Book II, Jowett tr.) *

[Socrates] .... let us then consider, first of all, what will be their way of life, now that we have thus established them. Will they not produce corn, and wine, and clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves? And when they are housed, they will work, in summer, commonly, stripped and barefoot, but in winter substantially clothed and shod. They will feed on barley-meal and flour of wheat, baking and kneading them, making noble cakes and loaves; these they will serve up on a mat of reeds or on clean leaves, themselves reclining the while upon beds strewn with yew or myrtle. And they and their children will feast, drinking of the wine which they have made, wearing garlands on their heads, and hymning the praises of the gods, in happy converse with one another. And they will take care that their families do not exceed their means ....

[Glaucon] Yes, Socrates, he said, and if you were providing for a city of pigs, how else would you feed the beasts?

But what would you have, Glaucon? I replied.

Why, he said, you should give them the ordinary conveniences of life. People who are to be comfortable are accustomed to lie on sofas, and dine off tables, and they should have sauces and sweets in the modern style.

Yes, I said, now I understand: the question which you would have me consider is, not only how a State, but how a luxurious State is created; and possibly there is no harm in this, for in such a State we shall be more likely to see how justice and injustice originate. In my opinion the true and healthy constitution of the State is the one which I have described. But if you wish also to see a State at fever heat, I have no objection. For I suspect that many will not be satisfied with the simpler way. They will be for adding sofas, and tables, and other furniture; also dainties, and perfumes, and incense, and courtesans, and cakes, all these not of one sort only, but in every variety; we must go beyond the necessaries of which I was at first speaking, such as houses, and clothes, and shoes: the arts of the painter and the embroiderer will have to be set in motion, and gold and ivory and all sorts of materials must be procured.

True, he said.

Then we must enlarge our borders; for the original healthy State is no longer sufficient. Now will the city have to fill and swell with a multitude of callings which are not required by any natural want; such as the whole tribe of hunters and actors, of whom one large class have to do with forms and colours; another will be the votaries of music --poets and their attendant train of rhapsodists, players, dancers, contractors; also makers of divers kinds of articles, including women's dresses. And we shall want more servants. Will not tutors be also in request, and nurses wet and dry, tirewomen and barbers, as well as confectioners and cooks; and swineherds, too, who were not needed and therefore had no place in the former edition of our State, but are needed now? They must not be forgotten: and there will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat them.

Certainly.

And living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians than before?

Much greater.

And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants will be too small now, and not enough?

Quite true.

Then a slice of our neighbours' land will be wanted by us for pasture and tillage, and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they exceed the limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited accumulation of wealth?

That, Socrates, will be inevitable.

And so we shall go to war, Glaucon. Shall we not?

The Father of the Green Revolution, Norman Borlaug, passed away last week. Some blogs lauded him as a hero who averted global famine and some asked whether he had simply laid the groundwork for a larger famine a century later. The better ones did both:

Little Blog In The Big Woods Norman Borlaug

Norm was a man.

It's too easy to forget that about towering figures, and he was one.

Yes, I know I know I know; many aspects of The Green Revolution have not worked out well, or to the benefit of the common people.

But that truly was not Norm's fault. He was not a great philosopher; not a politician, though he tried consistently to use the weight of the Nobel Peace Prize as a bludgeon on the World Bank officials and other politicians he had to deal with. It wasn't his skill.

His skill was understanding crops, deeply. And need.

Could you stand and see a starving child- with food in your pocket- and not feed the child?

If your answer is yes- either you have never actually been in the presence of utter poverty; or you are subhuman.

Norm saw the poverty- and injustice, and all the rest that goes with living at the bottom of the human pile. His skill was plants. So he gave his life to working for the poor, primarily in that way.

Others saw ways to profit from his work, and often heartlessly derailed it. He hated that; but the starving, dying children still faced him. He never could do nothing.

Down deep, I think he expected others to give as he did; everything, their lives; to deal with the other aspects of the problem of too many people on one limited planet.

He was a farm kid from Iowa. Just a man. Not perfect; but he tried, with everything he had in him.

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People will argue forever, I think, about whether his work alleviated human suffering, or created more.

I can't say. Philosophically, how can you say that it would be better if Person X had simply never existed? Very easy, in the abstract- but could you stand next to X, look him/her in the eyes, and think so?

He knew a simple thing that an astonishing number of humans never learn; people do not exist in the abstract. Each one is real, with pains, hopes, fears, despairs- exactly like your own.

He worked among the people, and knew them, face to face. He could not say; "No, you must not have any children. The world has no room for you."

He thought that decision was not his to make. Perhaps one of those whose lives he saved would in turn hold the answers for what happens next. We can't know.

What we can know is that here was a man who fought with everything he had; every day of his life- for the people of the world- all of them; every last one.

Is there more a person can do?


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I'm struck by the essential similarity of Socrates' description of simple, hardworking but satisfying life and that described, many centuries later, by Louisa Hargraves about her family's experience establishing and growing a viable vineyard:
http://www.amazon.com/Vineyard-Memoir-Louisa-Hargrave/dp/0142004316

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Or for that matter Henry David Thoreau. Here's a link to the chapter on his bean field. This is fun version generally.

How smart of him to have the rows culminate in a shade tree on one end and a blackberry patch on the other. Let's invite Socrates, Louisa and Thoreau to a picnic.

http://thoreau.eserver.org/walden07.html

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A picnic? Let's, and read aloud from the above. (Enjoyed the Thoreau; hope you enjoy the Hargrave. Maybe throw in a little Epicurus.)

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this is tough stuff.

This is well put.

I must ponder this further.

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Ah, my Donal! I was hoping you'd mention Norman. I did the other day on David Seaton's blog and it's not surprising you'd weigh in as well.

I'd like Norman Borlaug to

“Some of the environmental lobbyists of the Western nations are the salt of the earth, but many of them are elitists. They’ve never experienced the physical sensation of hunger. They do their lobbying from comfortable office suites in Washington or Brussels. If they lived just one month amid the misery of the developing world, as I have for fifty years, they’d be crying out for tractors and fertilizer and irrigation canals and be outraged that fashionable elitists back home were trying to deny them these things.”

I'm out of links, but this is something that should be read on his Wikipedia page:

Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009)[1] was an American agronomist, humanitarian, and Nobel laureate who has been deemed the father of the Green Revolution.[2] Borlaug was one of only six people to have won the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.[3] He was also a recipient of the Padma Vibhushan, India's second-highest civilian honor.

Borlaug's discoveries have been estimated to have saved over one billion lives worldwide.[4]

Having dealt with environmental issues, it's easy to see where he is coming from. Wealth people see saving polar bears as environmentalism... while poor people just worry about bathing in the water coming into their homes.

Here's the bottom line: until people take serious control over their reproduction, they have little to complain about poorer people taking advantage of the food.

You talk about a greater catastrophe coming up -- and I agree it's coming. It's called overshoot and based on unsustainable practices. But so is our notion of continuing to have children.

Good blog... rec'd and thanks for pointing out Borlaug's passing explicitly.


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Nuts! The first long quote has a reference here. It should have read:

I'd like Norman Borlaug to answer his critics for himself:

“Some of the environmental lobbyists of the Western nations are the salt of the earth, but many of them are elitists. They’ve never experienced the physical sensation of hunger. They do their lobbying from comfortable office suites in Washington or Brussels. If they lived just one month amid the misery of the developing world, as I have for fifty years, they’d be crying out for tractors and fertilizer and irrigation canals and be outraged that fashionable elitists back home were trying to deny them these things.”
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There's a scene in Travels with Charley. The poodle and his owner, are traveling cross-country in a camper he has named Rocinante. At one point the fellow takes a bead on a coyote that lurks near his campsite, but doesn't fire. He opens and leaves a can of dog food near the campsite, citing some old saying and feeling responsible for the creature he could not kill.

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Good night, Donal, sleep well.

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