Instant Karma (just add karma)... Or "We're going to kill your children."
For years, Instant Karma ran through my head as one atrocity after another was revealed about the Bush administration. I'm not usingthe idea of karma here as a Buddhist belief or any particular personal philosophy; I think it is simply a kind of hope that "right" will prevail or perhaps a "what goes around" balance that keeps us honest. But with the latest piece in the long intricate puzzle that is the cover up of all high crimes and misdemeanors, that interior anthem faded, replaced by the sounds of dark resignation or occasionally drowned out by the external broadcasts of smooth, soothing plastic elevator music reassuring us that we were America, home of the brave and righteous.
In reading excerpts from the CIA IG report last night it struck me that mythical techniques like the mock executions in the next cell (undoubtedly copped from The Untouchables movie- like adolescents playing cowboys) or revving power drills and cocking guns in close proximity to a detainee's hooded head were child's play. But (still frightening) interrogation techniques like these may even have been a relief to detainees submitted to endless stress techniques, sleep deprivation or regular, relentless drowning (waterboarding) a dozen times a day for weeks on end. But the poster children for Bush and Cheney's pseudo-Christian sadism (and that's what most of this was) have to be Kalid Sheik Mohammed's children, nine y.o. Yousef al-Khalid, , and seven y.o. Abed al-Khalid. Taken into custody (otherwise known as kidnapping) by Pakistani Intelligence and then turned over to the CIA, the kids were used to get KSM to talk.
Initially, they claimed to only be (gently) interrogating the children. These children have a mother who, according to the CIA, is not involved in Al Qaeda in any way, yet they were taken into US custody as pawns in this torture game. How long were they kept? Are they still in US custody? "We're going to kill your children." Was KSM submitted to a mock execution of his children? Is this where Blackwater comes in? In Iraq and Afghanistan, it has been reported that wives and children were often imprisoned until the wanted husband or father turned himself in. America, the beautiful (that would be us) using women and children as hostages; Could we stoop any lower? "We're going to kill your children." Isn't this what we were saying and are still saying to the non-compliant Muslim world? If our torture, abuse and murder regime inflicted on the Muslim population is once again covered up with a few scapegoats that will be our collective karma.
















Christ Don.. I'm sick at heart over what we've done. Begs the question: Does one have to be conscious of one's transgressions for karma to be operative? If America closes it's eyes to the wrongs promulgated in fighting the so called war on terror, are we exempt? Thank your for writing this and extra points in my book for John Lennon and Lou Reed.
August 25, 2009 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. Whew, I'm still working on this posting thing, and thankfully, I didn't delete your comments editing the post. I think the "closes its eyes" codicil answers your question.
We are soooo good here at being blindfully ignorant. And ignorant is the operative word. But it's little different from being willfully ignorant or turning that blind eye.
The question of what is "done in our name," covertly or not, is a sticky one. To me, there is a stain that soaks our flag that you and I are not personally responsible for unless we refuse to fight it. (All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing -Burke).
For years most of the rest of the world proclaimed a hate for what the US was doing while still expressing a fondness for the American people. That eroded as time passed (especially after the unbelievable re-election of Bush, seen as an endorsement of his policies). None of this sorry era can be rectified or forgiven unless and until it is admitted, adjudicated and justice fulfilled (in whatever form that takes). It's time for a "WeCan'tMoveOn" organization.
August 25, 2009 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Second that 'Cantmoveon.org'. Karmic principle #1 - shine a light on our 'shortcomings', so that perhaps in the end we can actually move on.
August 26, 2009 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yez. I believe we elected Bush and thought to the GOP, "Shame on you!" But when he was reelected, it was "Shame on us."
His reelection, such that it was, also disproved this theory "Cheat me once, shame on you. Cheat me twice, shame on me!" What was truly disappointing in the reelection was that it was close enough for them to steal it. Who ARE the people who voted for him after all he had done during his first term? The only relief I get from the agony of that ever being a question is that we wised up in 2008 and elected Obama, but it sure took long enough!
August 26, 2009 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
To answer your question, the people who elected Bush the second time all work for the MSM. They softened and coddled and smoothed over all the outrageous bullshit to feed it to Average Joe as a reasonable option instead of a dirty god damned shame. Just like the MSM could not promote enough lying crap about Al Gore as some guilty "balancing" act, they let so many liars get away with so many lies about Kerry that the lightly informed majority of voters swallowed another four years of complete stupidity.
August 26, 2009 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
great post, Don.
Miguel, regarding
"Does one have to be conscious of one's transgressions for karma to be operative?"
I've always thought to myself that if just one person is conscious of a transgression, and not necessarily the person who transgressed, then that is enough to activate the Karma sequence.
August 25, 2009 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Onward to consciousness then my friend. In the words of Kurt Ralske: "I'm making mine a double, cause I'm not alone, you see".
August 26, 2009 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I did recommend this but my comment got lost in the web o sphere.
If Miguel is here, then you know you put together a good blog.
Well cheney, he sees the dark side, I mean he testified to this much on MTP or some such shortly after we were attacked. Of course he missed the fact that it all occurred under HIS WATCH while w was vacationing for over half of the time he was president.
This is all too troubling. I mean dickyc keeps attempting to defend himself.
It is interesting in that he was never a soldier in war, he had other priorities, if I recall correctly. I despise him more than any other human being in my entire lifetime. I mean he makes nixon look like a saint, he certainly makes w look like more of an idiot.
Good post. Even though you bring up thoughts that really anger me.
August 26, 2009 3:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me too, DD. On a day when we learn of the passing of one of our champions and, with his brothers, a hero in my formation, it is even harder to stomach the apologist for torture. Ted Kennedy was haunted his adult life by a tragic event that could have happened to many of us in those days, a product of youth and alcohol. But admitted there was no excusing his action. He he apologized and atoned. He stood up for his principles, while these others have none. Rest in peace, Senator Kennedy.
August 26, 2009 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may be the idea that some of feel called to be "Fair Witnesses;" to listen to the testimony of the "Winter Soldiers;" to be afraid to learn what is under the Black Ink of the redacted portions of the CIA Inspector General's Report, but know we must discover it.
I believe that Karma, cause and effect, likely has Group Dynamics as well as personal. The trouble is that no one ever knows how long the effects take to be known after the causes.
How often have we heard someone claim that their enemy's misfortune was "instant bad karma," but their friends' misfortunes were "bad things happening to good people?"
Those od who pay attention know that bad things are creatd by dark deeds, but sussing them out is nigh on to impossible. For me, it's like all the people pretending that they know what God thinks about current events.
There is something to be said, also, about the Collective Consciousness, and it ain't seemin' so healthy just now.
August 26, 2009 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Wendy. I agree that, regardless of any relation to spiritual beliefs, there is still a collective dynamic that should work out a balance. I guess what I'm saying is that it is up to us to look at these heartbreaking, and unconscionable events done in our name, policies of inhumanity, not to turn away or try to rationalize them. Europe and post WWII would not have recovered as it did without the cleansing of the Nuremberg trials. If we don’t engage karma, it will engage us, simply as a result of our inaction.
August 26, 2009 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm agreeing, though my last comment was full of typos that my message may have gotten lost.
To improve both spiritually and psychologically, doesn't the Road go like this?:
Acknowledgement that something is wrong or missing; self-examination; self-judgement; apology and amends; then going forth to do better. Same thing should occur with National Crimes, even if the outcome may be incarceration for some.
Think of the national shames of our country that have gone left unexamined by the majority: slavery, Native American genocide, etc. So much of it has never been fully addressed, so there has been no apology sought or forgiveness given. So we are unable as a nation to go forth and do better.
And most all of it is because of the inability of so many of us to get honest with ouselves. Some people don't even recognize they HAVE inner lives, and so many of our national and personal endeavors are simply running interference so that we will not see what and who we are. We all have bigotries, for instance, and the more we try to convince ourselves and others that we don't, the more the bogotries own us.
The snakes and toads in our heads, and collectively in our National Head don't have near the power when they are brought out to the light of day. Admission, cleansing, atonement, then Being Better and Doing Better.
Sorry for the ramble; i think about all this a lot. I don't know but what this is the sort of writing i would shred once i pulled it out of a typewriter and read it an hour from now. But; as they say...there it is. Gotta go cut basil; i'll check back with ya later, Don.
August 26, 2009 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Acknowledgement that something is wrong or missing; self-examination; self-judgement; apology and amends; then going forth to do better.
No, Wendy, you've said it better than I. Reflection is a good and necessary thing.
August 26, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I recommend it for the title :-)
August 26, 2009 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Donal. I would have tipped my hat to you but your post was still up when I posted (so I thought everyone would see I was playing off it). I steal from the best :)
August 26, 2009 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Love the title! Hate the content. My god, I didn't know this. Some further questions:
1. does this even count as 'enhanced' interrogation, I mean no one's vital organs are really failing here...?
2. Are people goint to be prosecuted for this stuff?
3. When are people going to realize that the Karmic credit card has maxed out long long ago, and that the late fees, and punitive interest, are about to slam us in the butt, and as far as I know, there ain't no karmic bankruptcy court where we can just wipe the slate clean and start over.
Thanks for this don, I guess. Ugh.
August 26, 2009 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for posting this, Don. Not only the substance, but the sentiment. Out of the thousands of voices at TPM, yours always stands out for its astonishing gentleness. I don't know how you do that, but I always appreciate it and wish you would write more. You truly have a gift.
I can't read about how we've tortured people without experiencing an instant fury that seems to swallow me whole. I still have a vivid mental picture of my reaction the first time I learned we were torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Because of this overwhelming rage, I can rarely write about the issue of torture as calmly as you. But it's not just rage that I feel: I am sickened, disgusted, and shamed as well. These emotions seem entirely appropriate to me, and I am additionally saddened that I don't see them expressed by all Americans every single day.
In keeping with the subject of children, I can only supplement your excellent blog with (extensive) quotes from a superbly written article about teen prisoners at Guantánamo Bay. It was written by Jo Becker, the advocacy director for the Children’s Rights Division at Human Rights Watch. I've left these passages intact because they are so well written, and any highlights I could make would only be clumsy underscores.
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August 26, 2009 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Ready. I feel the same but try not to dwell on the anger (not suppressing it either). I see the Cafe and other blogs are good places to work through and release those feelings. I've read about Jawad who was just released to go home. He was likely 13 y.o., perhaps 12, when they grabbed him up for allegedly throwing a grenade and injuring two American soldiers. A poor child in the wrong place (his hometown) at the wrong time and of the wrong ethnicity!
The DoD always insisted he was 17 when arrested contrary to evidence. The Afghanis coerced a confession (threatening to kill his entire family- not an idle threat) but everyone agrees, he was almost certainly innocent. He endured seven years of abuse and then was let go with no admissions of the injustice of it all.
America needs to hear the sad details of his and countless others' stories; being swept off their streets and rushed to a secret dungeon somewhere to be tortured, not to defuse a ticking bomb, but it seems, just to be doing something in retaliation. All of this is so contrary to the idea of America and who we are as human beings that we were raised on; that we were taught to be, that it shocks the conscience.
August 26, 2009 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's my thing, too, Don. The DC pundits always make it some arcane debate about how to get ticking time-bomb intel out of "the bad guys." I just listened to my not-favorite Chris Matthews talking with Tony Blankley about it. Chris again agreed that they were "bad guys" who were tortured. We know that is not true from subsequent reviews of so many of their cases, how many were let go after years of detention and often torture; they were just swept up in rival Warlord friction. We also know how many were deemed unable to stand trial, since they are now so mentally incompetent from being tortured, and are yet still in permanent detention under this administration. What we don't know, and may never know, is how many died from torture.
And the wives and children, jesus, it is so hard to live with the knowledge. I think it was Jane Mayer who told stories of several pregnant women with children who were living their lives in some of the detainee prisons.
And we are doing much the same (sans active torture) to whole tent cities-full of brown-skinned immigrants in border towns.
Joe Biden said that Teddy never was defeatist. That is his call to us from The Afterlife.
August 26, 2009 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink