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Like millions of Americans, I'm less than wildly enthusiastic about taking billions of dollars in tax money and using it to prop up failed private companies, regardless of their line of work.   So I greet the news that lame duck Republicans of the Senate have somewhere found some basic principles to stand on, and have blocked such a massive taxpayer windfall to the auto companies, with some relief.

I was never really all that into the idea, you see.  Beyond my simple reluctance to see the government using our money to bail out private companies that are apparently incapable of operating efficiently enough on their own to stay in business, well, there's this -- it offends me on a basic, fundamental level that apparently, the United Auto Workers feel taking a wage cut to a mere $45 an hour is unacceptable. 

To this, I say, quite bluntly -- and I feel pretty safe in saying that in this, I speak for millions of other Americans currently struggling to find work -- if you have a job you're trying to fill at $45 an hour, please tell me where to submit an application. 

I, personally, do not find the prospect of making $45 an hour to be demeaning, insulting, offensive, or intolerable. 

But, having said all that, I also want to say this -- where was this highly principled stand during the first bail out?

I wasn't any happier about the prospect of taking billions of public dollars and turning them over to the private brokerage houses and investment banks than I am about giving similar (well, as it turns out, much lesser) amounts to the automakers.   I would have been a lot happier about it, though, if anyone in Congress -- Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, anyone at all -- had declared ringingly at that time that not one red taxpayer cent was going to be turned over to the banks and the brokerages until they first (a) submitted detailed business strategies to Congress regarding how the money would be spent to keep their doors open, and (b) as part of that strategy, the banks and brokerages had to agree that all their employees from CEO on down would  reduce their salaries to the equivalent of $45 an hour.

$45 an hour is the equivalent (without overtime) of $93,600 a year.  Of course, many workers in the industries Congress is currently either bailing out, or refusing to bail out, work more than 40 hours in a week, and I certainly have no objection to them getting paid overtime.  Assuming an average of 10 hours per week OT, that's an extra $675 per week, which adds up to another $35,100 per year, for a grand total of $128,700 per year.

(Just to interject a little home truth here, that $35,100 -- the amount for 10 hours per week of OVERTIME over the course of one year, at $45 an hour -- is more money than I've ever made in any year of my life to date.  And I just turned 47.) 

Anyone want to guess what the reactions of, say, AIG's upper management would have been, had they been told that to save their company, they each needed to agree to only make around $128,700 per year?  

So, what we're left with in this mess is that Congress, specifically lame duck Republicans, are extremely principled about spending tax payer money to bail out private companies -- as long as the employees of those private companies tend to campaign for Democrats, raise money for Democrats, and vote for Democrats. 

When it comes to throwing our money at people who largely campaign for, raise money for, and vote for Republicans, though, we-e-e-e-e-llllllll, then the story changes a little bit.  Apparently, for the guys who tend to vote Republican, we don't need any preconditions or oversight.  We know those guys. We can trust those guys to do what's right.

As long as what's right, of course, is sending their upper level execs off to a swanky resort for a 'conference' while trying to conceal that 'conference' from the public. 

As long as what's right, of course, is paying out millions of dollars of our money to their executives -- not as 'bonuses', of course, because people might object to that, but, instead,  as 'retention payments'.

So here's how I feel about this -- those conditions the Congressional Republicans just tried to put on the automakers?  Which, from what I've heard, I have no objection to, and would be happy to work under myself, and which I think the UAW should fall all over itself to agree to, if it were even half smart?  We need to retroactively impose identical conditions on banks and brokerage houses which have accepted Federal bail out money. 

If they don't want to accept those conditions, well, then, the government should move to confiscate any and all corporate assets those companies may have, in an attempt to recoup tax payer dollars that should never have been paid out to these guys in the first place. 

I'm tired of this crap.  Can I have $152.5 billion dollars to tide me over until I can find a job?  I'm perfectly willing to submit an economic recovery plan to Congress, and I'm happy to agree to only pay myself $45 an hour until I'm back in the black again.

Oh, wait.  I forgot.  I'm a worthless, no good, lousy unemployed Democrat.  I'm not 'too big to be allowed to fail'.  I'm nothing at all.

Just another American citizen. 


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Looks like, according to a Fact Check post linked elsewhere in Reader Posts, that average wage is more like $40/hour, including benefits and bonuses and overtime. IAW, it's about what the usual skilled tradesman working construction makes. Granted UAW workers don't have to work in the conditions a pipefitter or steelworker have to deal with (extremes of temperature and weather, and sometimes lengthy downtime between jobs) but not extravagant pay for the work. The Fact Check piece also points out that labor costs only make up a small percentage of the actual cost of producing an automobile.

It's hard to square all that with what the executives (even the junior ones) are making. Our society has established this regime of a few people enriching themselves on the labor of others for very little effort and no consequences whatsoever. Corporation law absolves these good ol' boys from personal responsibility for their mistakes while working-class people live day-to-day.

So while $40 an hour sounds great, it's peanuts compared to CEO compensation.

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BTW, Doc, ditto on the Bujold/Vorkosigan... wish she'd hurry up and write some more.

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Your research on this might be better than mine. But, I think the wages of the auto workers are closer to $28/hr plus benefits--health insurance and pension benefits that are directly attributable to them, not the retired.

I lost the http thing, but its in mediamatters right now. Pages and pages of examination of this issue and the BIG 3 do not necessarily have the same k with UAW. I do know for a fact, that some of the UAW workers with less time in, are actually getting $15/hr.

I am closer to Father OKC on this issue. But I think a closer examination is due here and we cannot get it on Cable News. At any rate, take a look at JoeB's piece today.

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I'm getting my facts and figures, obviously, from various news sources. Having said that, yes, I have no problem believing that the average assembly line worker in an auto plant doesn't actually make $75 per hour; that's a figure arrived at by adding in various benefits and, of course, OT, to a significantly lower actual per hour wage.

Nonetheless, as I understand it, what the Senate Republicans did was tell the Big 3, your workers need to reduce their wages to the same level that American employees at the Japanese auto plants operating out of the U.S. make. And the UAW basically said, uh, no thanks, we're fine where we are.

I worked as an FSA counselor for over a year and one of our bigger clients was Toyota. I constantly took calls from their employees in, I think, Georgia and Tennessee, and I had pretty in depth chats with these people about what they could and couldn't afford. They don't make chump change, they make a pretty good living. It doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable demand, that if you want billions in taxpayer dollars to keep your jobs going a while longer, you agree to lower your wages from something truly exorbitant to something that is merely comfortably affluent.

As to the obscene amounts that the higher level execs routinely assign themselves, yes, it's a travesty. It's odd how they bluster about 'this is how the free market works; we have a valuable skill set and this is the value that the market has set on our abilities' when things are going okay, but they don't seem to believe so much in letting the free market work when suddenly their valuable skill set has driven their company close to bankruptcy.

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Born in the heart of a nuclear explosion, DOC NEBULA came snarling into existence at the dawn of time, armed and armored to wage a war on entropy for the sake of all existence. Now, accompanied by that band of hard rocking scientists THE HONG KONG CAVALIERS, he races across the universe...

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Snatched from limbo and brought wailing into Earthly existence in late 1961, DOC NEBULA quickly became a living legend among his peergroup, even though he would not think to call himself by the name "Doc Nebula" until decades later when he got his first online account and needed a screenname and all possible variations of "GiantMan" were already taken. (Sad but true. Doc is a big Hank Pym fan.)

In the early years of this incarnation, DOC was regarded with an awestruck admiration by his peer group that frankly bordered on religious worship, said awestruck admiration most commonly being manifested in the form of ridicule, public humiliation, and frequent beatings whenever an adult authority was not in the immediate vicinity to intervene.

Undaunted by this, DOC NEBULA escaped the horrors of childhood and entered the hallowed halls of Academe at prestigious SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, back in the late 70s when the English Department had not yet been taken over by a pack of gumchewing idiots who threw out all the classes on Shakespeare and replaced them with seminars on People Magazine.

At SU, DOC excelled in his fields of study, quickly mastering such arcane arts as pizza consumption, sleep deprivation, keeping every square inch of floorspace covered at all times with pornography, empty pizza boxes, and old issues of Steve Engelhart's AVENGERS, and most importantly of all, how to schedule all his classes so he never had to get out of bed before 1 PM. (Not that he attended many of them anyway.)

Dropping out of college without a degree, DOC embarked on a nomadic existence, wandering from job to job, apartment to apartment, always seeking that effervescent and intangible something we all call Happiness, but which DOC likes to think of as an old Army duffle bag stuffed to the top with bulky bundles of 20s, 50s, and hundred dollar bills.

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