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Klein, Kuttner & Hudson Talk Shock Doctrine on Democracy Now
Like the Wicked Witch of the West our economy has melted into a big pile of steaming goo. And like Oz, there are good witches and bad witches; there are good laws and bad laws, good economists and bad economists, good journalists and bad ones.
Today a feast of good wise ones are talking about the terrible disappointment of the hiring of Larry Summers who was one of the architects of the deregulation that led to the economic meltdown. Naomi Klein, Michael Hudson and Robert Kuttner join Amy Goodman in discussing Obama's choices for his economic team.
Klein worries that this will be like Russia in that we created a kleptocracy decades ago and continue to help it survive. Michael Hudson is worried that we will keep the oligarchs, the kleptocrats in power. Will the capital gains tax be raised or will it be only the income tax that gets raised? Will pumping money into the infrastructure and mass transit make these same aristocrats wealthy by their owning the real estate that will be sold to make way for the new mass transit projects? http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/25/naomi_klein_robert_kuttner_and_michael
Kuttner is the most optimistic of the three.
Amy Goodman moves on to discuss the auto industry. She asks why aren't these wunderkind pushing congress to regulate the salaries of CEOs or fire the whole bunch of them? Naomi Klein answers her in her usual style of railing against injustice with fire and with facts. She never becomes shrill but you can see that even she is beginning to lose her cool with what is clearly the manifestation of "The Shock Doctrine". She says:
But thanks at least to these brave people who are swimming upstream in the sewage that these frat boys of Wall Street have let loose on all of us.
Today a feast of good wise ones are talking about the terrible disappointment of the hiring of Larry Summers who was one of the architects of the deregulation that led to the economic meltdown. Naomi Klein, Michael Hudson and Robert Kuttner join Amy Goodman in discussing Obama's choices for his economic team.
Klein worries that this will be like Russia in that we created a kleptocracy decades ago and continue to help it survive. Michael Hudson is worried that we will keep the oligarchs, the kleptocrats in power. Will the capital gains tax be raised or will it be only the income tax that gets raised? Will pumping money into the infrastructure and mass transit make these same aristocrats wealthy by their owning the real estate that will be sold to make way for the new mass transit projects? http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/25/naomi_klein_robert_kuttner_and_michael
Kuttner is the most optimistic of the three.
I think even Larry Summers, because he is such an opportunist, has lately been calling for very large stimulus package, has been calling for tighter regulation of banks. Now you have no way of knowing whether that is sincere or whether it is posturing, but I think Summers is smart enough to recognize that partly because of its own policies, things are in such disastrous shape, different policies indicated whether he can be the instrument of change is an open question.But even Kuttner is worried that the financial and debt system and the finance guys will remain in place and in power and make money from the huge stimulus package proposed. Hudson agrees.
In London when they built the tube extension to their financial district of the loop, they created 13 billion pounds worth of increased in real estate value. The tube itself cost only $8 billion. They left this $13 billion real estate value in the hands of the private landlords. Same thing in Chicago in the US. It can be a very heavy investment in mass transportation here. This is going to create enormous real-estate values. The tax system, leaves these in private hands.Hudson speculates that a feeding frenzy could happen here and truly be the tsunami of disaster capitalism. Hudson is just back from Berlin and the Europeans are hoping that Obama is like Gorbachov, a closet social democrat. But Hudson fears he acts more like Yeltsin. Summers brought down democracy in Lithuania by using the economic shock doctrine Naomi Klein writes about in her book "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism". From Lithuania, he moved on to destroy democracy in Russia and helped create the oligarchy that exists today. So both Hudson and Klein are worried about what happened in Russia happening here.
Amy Goodman moves on to discuss the auto industry. She asks why aren't these wunderkind pushing congress to regulate the salaries of CEOs or fire the whole bunch of them? Naomi Klein answers her in her usual style of railing against injustice with fire and with facts. She never becomes shrill but you can see that even she is beginning to lose her cool with what is clearly the manifestation of "The Shock Doctrine". She says:
When exactly is the Re-regulation going to happen? This is the moment of high leverage. It is not just about firing the boss and seats on the board, it is about we regulating exactly what Larry Summers and Tim Geithner de-regulated under the Clinton administration. The real question is do these people have the humility to fix their own mistakes? My question is his Larry Summers' ego too big to fail? These guys should not be promoted at this point. Their reputations should really be destroyed by their own track records.
All these people are constantly talking about how brilliant they are despite the dismal track record in this country and other countries in which they have meddled including South Korea and Russia.Klein says that it basically about the left's dishonesty during the election. They pretended the failures of the financial system were only in the last 8 years. But this has been long time a coming.
we have not been honest about the legacy of the Clinton years. So much misinformation was spread during the election campaign, because it was a nice message to present the nineties as these wonder years in contrast to the Bush years. That is exactly what created the situation where you could have Summers been presented as the wise man instead of going down with Alan Greenspan. When Alan Greenspan reputation was raked over the coals, it should have Rubin and Summers along side him.She warns that we will be in for a world of trouble if we keep being dishonest about when all of this began and who the real culprits are. This is not like 1932. There were real social and labor movements who were powerful enough to scare the elite in to going along with Roosevelt's compromises in order to save capitalism. There are too many "fans" of Obama and not enough powerful countervailing powers to help guide him in a truly progressive way out of this crisis.
But thanks at least to these brave people who are swimming upstream in the sewage that these frat boys of Wall Street have let loose on all of us.
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I agree with Amy Goodman's assessment about the auto industry, but here's what I think. I know this will be pooh-poohed by progressives, but I've wondered why the oil companies haven't offered to come in and rescue GM. After all, they have been in cohoots together about big cars and profitability for years. Oil fought against the expansion of rail for the past 50 years.
Having said that, I also worry about too much consolidation and still not solving the problem. But it may be the best we get with all of the centrists in the barn. It concerns me when Larry Cudlow of CNBC says on C-SPAN he likes those picks. Ugh.
Romer does nothing to excite me about being an expert on depressions. Bernake is an expert too, and look at where we are today.
November 25, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're a mindreader! As I was watching the committee hearings with the auto execs., I kept waiting for one of the committee members to ask if they'd asked Big Oil for help yet, and if not, why not?
:)
November 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link, DKC. Interesting way to put the question - Is Obama more like Gorbachev, a stealth reformer.... or more like Yeltsin, a cover for the kleptocrats? Ouch either way.
November 25, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
A pox on "experts". John Kenneth Galbraith in "The Great Crash" said there is "a recurrent preference in economic matters for formidable nonsense."
You are right. Why aren't the oil companies coming to their friends rescue? Because they are waiting for the gov't to do it. But we could make them do it with a windfall profits tax on oil that goes to the auto industry.
Yes, Larry Kudlow loving Romer. Summers, and Keithner is beyond troubling. There is an article on The New Republic today about how bogus Romer's theories are. It's by John Judis called "Mistreating Depression".
November 25, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The names have all begun to scramble for me.... I feel like I've seen them all somewhere before.
Larry... Larry.... what was it.... Larry Sanders!! No.... sorry, my bad, Summers, yes, of course. And what was his sidekick's name... Hank.... Hank.... you know... Kingsley?!! Oh. Sorry.
Same cast of cons.
November 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And soon we will see a TV show remake "Greenspan Acres " with Alan and Andrea. Larry Summers morphs into Larry Sanders morphs into Larry David. "Hello Jerry. Hello Newman"becomes "Hello Larry. Hello Krugman"
November 25, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brad Delong says he thinks highly of all the picks
but it's Romer about whom he's most enthusiastic. And in particular about her politics which he suggests are the furthest left of this group.
In any event, the starting point for thinking about Obama's picks is figuring out why he picked them.
William Greider in the Nation quotes Bard's Levy Institute:
.Against that back drop maybe Obama's picks become more understandable. When you find a trickle of water coming through the Dike you stop thinking about advanced wndmill design and start looking for a sock to stuff in the hole.
November 26, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Naomi Klein that "the left" -- if you define it as the modern day Democratic Party -- has been fundamentally dishonest about the Clinton years. But "the left" -- if you define it as "The Nation Magazine" and that crowd -- told the truth the whole time.
The marginalization of the progressive movement then and now is what keeps us from admitting the truth (and might keep us from real solutions to these problems, since former Kissinger Associates are only going to go so far)
November 26, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
We should be vigilant watchdogs over who will make money of the "green jobs" and construction jobs. Naomi Klein chronicles what happened in other countries. In South Africa, the blacks got the government, but the whites retained control of the central bank and thus the economy. It screwed the revolution's idea of land reform and nationalizing resources. In Iraq, American companies made off with the profits on reconstruction.
The wolves are still circling. The foxes are out buying crock pots.
November 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent diary, especially on the Left's dishonesty with itself. This has been going on since 1978, and took off in 1981. Remember Volcker. He's back!!!
Teddy Kennedy ran agaisnt this in 1980.
November 26, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink