A GENTLEMEN'S AGREEMENT

Shelby Foote
The Netherlands were once an imperialistic power. Historically of course, the Dutch were damn smart traders and had their own empire of the seas for centuries; making its mark all over the world.
I remember traveling to the Netherlands a few times during the 90's. A couple of those visits involved business contacts and I even attended a small convention there. I only bring this up because I was able to have drinks with some youngsters there, getting their view of things. They were more interested in what was happening in the States than sharing their own cultural issues; although everybody seemed to look down on the Belgians. Go figure?
I also met with some businessmen and even saw some housing developments that startled me. I mean it looked like West Bloomington, Minnesota. You know, the structures were relatively new and there were three car garages and stuff.
The issue there, at that time, involved the Jamaicans. These Islanders ended up there for God Knows What reasons and found themselves poor, unemployed and unappreciated. These are generalizations for sure, and I have done no research to discover why THEY were there.
The businessmen were upset because THEY all seemed to huddle around a monument of some sort right smack in the middle of one of the town crossroads.. And the businessmen were upset that their tax dollars were supporting THEM.
It seems that THEY would actually urinate upon the edifice. You could see the stains in broad daylight; on a structure, that some would contend is a sacred object in the Netherlands.
We cannot get away from racial bias. At any rate, even the Netherlands, this most liberal of places in the Western World, had racial tensions.
England is having one hell of a time with its new Muslim population as are the French. Europe has, for sometime, enjoyed pointing at the States as being a peculiar seat of racism. The United States is not alone in its attempt to deal with racial strife.
America is
not therefore, the only nation to have trouble with racial issues or religious
bias. And sometimes I think factions of
the Left ignore this fact of life. While I write this, a limey on a Christian
channel is narrating a show that has the sole purpose of demonstrating that
John Shakespeare, the father of William Shakespeare, was Roman Catholic.
Hahahahahahaha And it is not some half
hour documentary. IT IS A SERIES. And, if I recall correctly, there is only one
mention of Sir Thomas More in all 37 plays, and that mention comes at the time
of More's execution in the play. This all strikes me as hilarious. On the other
hand, having done my own cursory research concerning the Bard years ago, it
certainly could be of interest as to what Shakespeare's religion was. That is, while examining the plays.
Did you know that George W. Bush actually read three of William Shakespeare's plays?
And while Shakespeare is writing his plays during the last half of the 16th century and a few years into the 17th century, this country is about to greet its first European settlers (with apologies of course to the Spaniards) who would be strict anti papists. The sects that came here of course hated each other for the most part, but they could all agree on the evil nature of the Roman Catholic Church as well as the Hebrew Faith.
I have always been fascinated by The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down:
Virgil Caine is the name and I served on the Danville train
'Til Stoneman's cavalry came and tore up the tracks again
In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive
By May the tenth, Richmond had fell
It's a time I remember, oh so well
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the people were singing
They went, "La, la, la"
Back with my wife in Tennessee, when one day she called to me
"Virgil, quick, come see, there go the Robert E.Lee"
Now I don't mind choppin' wood, and I don't care if the money's no good
Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest
But they should never have taken the very best
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "La, la, la"
Like my father before me, I will work the land
And like my brother above me, who took a rebel stand
He was just eighteen, proud and brave, but a Yankee laid him in his grave
I swear by the mud below my feet
You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, na"
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, na"Robbie Robertson
Joan Baez of course, loved this song, and made some money off of it. Joan, who is a goddess in my mind, has been booed for singing it.
Me? I love this song. Always have. And always will. But why?
I also worship General Sherman along with his boss, General Grant. I mean the Civil War just went on and on and on. Only not 'over there' but over here. In my cursory review of Shelby Foote's trilogy, Lee and his minions would take brief sojourns up north, cause havoc and run back into their own territory--which they knew very well.
Do not be fooled by some Civil War accounts that nothing happened that was good for the Union before Gettysburg for heavens sakes. I mean the Union had destroyed the Western Confederacy. Louisiana had already been conquered and a make shift government was being run by a rather incompetent and racist northern general, but that is another story. The war in the West was over early on with the Siege of Vicksburg being the one remaining task to finish it off and that was done during the Battle of Gettysburg. And the South by that time had been corralled pretty much in a few states. Remember, Lincoln had secured Maryland at the onset of the war. Since DC is really in Maryland, that was a good thing.
Lincoln, after being a little irritated with General Meade for 'letting Lee get away' after that horrendous loss of men on both sides. But Grant had finally wrapped up Vicksburg, and the General received great press following the victory. Grant was chosen as leader of the Union forces. Grant would use any means necessary to finish this war.
The North had the technology--trains and telegraph and arms--and the industrialization that made victory a certainty. But battles would continue, Confederate troops would return home, receive the sustenance they needed and continue their forays against the Union.
Sherman wanted to make the march to the sea. He had to talk Grant into it. But once Sherman started the march, nothing would stop it.
I make this 8th grade historical overview simply to underline how important it was for Grant and Sherman to do what they did. The war would have continued for more years than it did if it weren't for this new plan of action. You had to hit the enemy while they were down. Sherman, during his march, saw younger and younger Confederates and well as older and older Confederates. You had to destroy the locations that kept on supplying the insurgents. Oh and Foote will even point out, although other tomes do a better job, that Sherman never ordered the burning of Atlanta. But there is no time to get into such things here.
THE SOUTH WILL NEVER DIE.
Come and get us was the attitude of the South. Now I am born 90 years after this mess. But if I can feel bad about Socrates, I certainly can have feelings about the South. And THE SOUTH SUCKED IN THE 19TH Century. No doubt about it. Not in my mind. No two sides to every story. Not this one.
But the song. I can sympathize with Virgil Caine. Just like Joan--a lady who is probably more liberal than me. The individual caught up in the carnage. A dispute started by leaders who thought they were acting valiantly under ancient Roman Rules. And war is hell. By the way, if you are interested I found the most exciting history of Virgil Caine. It really is only ten pages or so. But it kind of goes through the song line by line, demonstrating the strict historical inaccuracies etc...A fun read. http://theband.hiof.no/articles/dixie_viney.html
There are factional strifes in parts of Europe and Asia that go back thousands of years. The scar left on the South during our Civil War is there for all to see and will be forever.
Which brings me to another subject. Americans are obsessive/compulsive. One reason we conquered the world. Star Trek has 70 some scripts that were put on screen. And people immediately memorized every single line. Every episode was dissected. I think the Cling-On language was being spoken before Star Trek Generation ever came out. Hahahaha.
And there are Civil War nuts. I mean we have people in this country, most of whom are located in the South, who know every battle, every general, every gopher that ever ran into enemy fire. People stage old battles and will spend hours in bars arguing every stage of every battle. They know it backwards and forwards. Like Richard III knowing that it was the defective shoe that broke the horse's leg, which led to the fall of Richard as well as the loss of the battle and ultimately the war.
Shelby Foote, many years after completing his trilogy on the Civil War was interviewed on CSPAN shortly before he died and indicated that he would have fought on the side of the Confederacy because he was a son of Mississippi. See, he held onto those old Roman ideals; this aristocratic fiction of honor and such. When I heard that I jumped right out of my seat.
He said some other things of interest to me related to this revelation. He spoke of a 'Gentleman's Agreement' between the North and the South following the war and the Hayes election in '76. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT SHOULD NO LONGER BE DISCUSSED. And then Foote lets loose with a fart so intense, the stench came right out of my TV. That gentlemen's agreement has been breached in recent years. Think about that and then you will realize why he would have signed on as a Son of Mississippi.Now here was a guy who came up with a way of presenting a complicated war that recounted the morning for Lincoln in his household and then recount the same morning for Jefferson Davis.
Folks, the Gentlemen's Agreement was this:
Negros do not count for much anyway. You do not care for them. We certainly do not care for them. Most of THEM live with us anyway. We will handle it. Leave us alone.
I am writing this after the single most surprising election of my entire life. In 2007 when I saw this man give a speech across the street from a Lincoln residence in Chicago, Illinois, I KNEW he could never be elected President in this country. I never cheered so hard and cried so hard at the same time in my life as I did in November of last year. It still does not make any sense to me. Hahahahahaha
If I was and am that surprised, what on earth do the racists in this country feel?
So why am I writing all this background, when I have probably lost half my audience? Because there is a fiction being perpetrated by the MSM including the most liberal of them: MSNBC. Jughead is right at this moment denying that beck or rush and any of the radio right are racist, that these demagogues have said anything racist. And the entire morning show is dedicated to the proposition that President Carter and Speaker Pelosi are out of their cotton pickin' minds to even suggest that these teabaggers, that these armed chanters, that these base human beings are racist.
THIS IS PURE DENIAL BY SCARBOROUGH AND HIS TROOPS TO THE POINT OF MAKING ALL OF THEM RACIST. That is how bad this miscalculation on their part makes them look.
BIRTHERS
I will not spend much time on this. ALL BIRTHERS ARE RACISTS. Period, end of discussion. If McCain were president, NO ONE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR PANAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATES. Never. No way. No how. You can make the joke that no one would because we would end up with someone even dumber than w--Sara Palin. But, are you telling me that the Birthers would settle for Biden for any other reason than race? Any rate, many sites on this crap.
SECESSION
Secession is a term that is strictly racist in nature besides being treasonous. There was one secession in this country and it was over slavery. Period. End of discussion.
Glenn beck likes to say 'secession' and that the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Demint, Senator from our first secessionist SC, has spoken of secession. Real surprise that one.
MUSLIM FASCIST
Brendan Steinhauser the Director of Federal and State Campaigns for FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the march and calls the shots for its subordinate group, Tea Party Patriots has called Our President a Muslim fascist.
Rush Limbaugh has called Our President a Muslim fascist.
Glenn beck has called our President a Muslim fascist.
Take a look at how repubs are picking up on rush's cues here. I mean rush actually said that he never called Obama Hitler (which is a lie by the way but who cares in this context) but rather rush claims he only calls Obama a racist, fascist, communist.....blah blah blah:
The County Times of St. Mary's County, Maryland, reported on an appearance that Sauerbrey -- a former two-time GOP nominee for governor -- put in at a local Republican dinner this past Saturday. The paper reports that Sauerbrey said that President Obama was surrounded by a cult-like following, edging towards that of Juan Peron or Adolf Hitler. She told the paper that she was not making a comparison between Obama and Hitler, but instead saying that the conditions in this country were such that a dictator could usurp the rights of citizens:
She said that the Obama administration advanced "fascist, socialist ideals."
"I'm really afraid for the future of our country," Sauerbrey told attendees at the annual Lincoln/Reagan Dinner of Sept. 12 in Callaway. "Our Constitution is indeed being dismantled."In an interview with TPM, Sauerbrey disputed some of the article -- but made clear the dangers of economic fascism and a breakdown in economic freedom and the rule of law.
"My point was very clearly not trying to compare our president to Eva Peron or Juan Peron or Adolf Hitler," Sauerbrey told me. "My point was that when certain policies are implemented by any administration -- and I also said, I think later to the reporter in chatting with him afterwards, that I was equally unhappy with the out of control spending in the Bush administration -- when you start down this road of these kinds of policies, you are on the road to destroying what has made this a great country."
Sauerbrey said she probably did refer to a cult-like following, "because this is typical of any time you get a strong leader." But her discussion of Juan Peron's Argentina was an example of what happens when big government causes hyperinflation of a currency -- which she sees as a real danger here.
"I never mentioned Hitler's name other than when the reporter came up to me afterwards," she said. "And I said, look, I am not making a direct comparison Obama and Hitler. I'm making a comparison between policies in countries, and that history has a way of repeating itself. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/former-bush-administration-official-warns-against-economic-fascism-under-obama.php?ref=fpa
In other words, the point here is to call Obama a fascist/communist/foreign-like.....
REPARATIONS
Reparations is a term that rush really likes lately. All government programs that help people are only reparations to Blacks for harms committed upon them as slaves and as de facto slaves.
The Gentlemen's Agreement has been broken. Some sixty years ago by my calculation as soon as HST signed the military desegregation order.
But all rules concerning political correctness and basic human decency are currently out the window.
I will continue this discussion in Part 2.
















After all of the discussion about Joe Wilson, I am really interested how the stretch of American history that proceeded the Civil War compares to what is going on now.
It was called the Know-Nothing Movement
In this movement, Irish Catholics where the group thought of as the illegals of the era. It was a movement based in Nativism. That means many persons classified as white Americans wouldn't be here today if the American Party had succeeded.
September 18, 2009 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. And it is a fascinating period.By the 1830's Calhoun, the 19th century's STrom Thurman, was BRAGGING about his status as a slave owner.
I have some quotes in my notebooks on this. There was a change from, say 1776 thru 1800. The was a definite change in Jefferson's perspective as to slavery; so much so that he became a good friend and follower of Calhoun.
At the same time, the Know Nothings, were also racially fired up, hated black people, naturally hated the Jews and despised the Roman Catholics.
This boiled down to race. But it was a little strange in that a good portion of Know Nothings were Irish. They called themselves Scotch Irish.
The earlier Irish Settlers were Kosher and the newer arrivals were scum.
Good point. Tomorrow I was going to finish this thought and move onto immigration.
There is a lot of racism on the Left toward the immigrants--or ILLEGALS--as we like to call them.
September 18, 2009 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, Scots-Irish (the real historical term) were Orangemen. A group for which I have little tolerance, by the way. My blood is mixed on my father's side, but my heart is green. I won't even drink Bushmill's - unless it's free.
And yes, they're indeed all Celts. Still, turning, brother against brother, on such a pointless thing as which flavor of christian god they choose to worship never helps matters, and the Green side fights for their rights and equality, while the Orange want to keep them down. I'll take one Bobby Sands or Bernadette Devlin or Gerry Adams over a thousand Ian Paisleys.
(More, unrelated, below.)
September 18, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
My old man would go on and on about the true Irish. We were of course Roman Catholic.
Well his mumsy had divorced his dad when my dad was 9 or 10. That was true scandal for a Roman Catholic in those days. Then she remarried a protestant who was mostly Dutch. It was my Step Grandpa who was my best friend.
I found out years later that my dad's real father WAS AN ORANGEMAN. From some timber family in Washington State.
Irony.
Remember the Star Trek episode where there were two races on the alien planet. One race was white on the right side of their bodies and black on the left side of their bodies. And the other race was the mirror image?
People can discern differences that are sooooo small.
September 18, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frank Gorshin, in one (two?) of his more memorable roles.
September 19, 2009 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wolf Tone was an orangeman Grouch and a huge number in the Continental Army of Washington were too. There's quite a bit of good Orangemen along with the bad ones.
September 19, 2009 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
In his book Penguin History of the USA Hugh Brogan points out that cotton was the first major internationally traded commodity, much as oil is traded today. Brogan's second point is that prior to the Civil War, most of the wealthiest men in America were Southern plantation owners. That slave-grown cotton was America's major export and wealth producer.
I had wondered upon reading that why Brogan did not also mention sugar, because sugar had been the crop that brought slavery into the Caribbean. But it occurs to me that sugar did not require the kinds of technological factors that high volume cotton cloth did. Cotton was a major impetus to English industrialism.
One other point. The work growing cotton was brutal. You couldn't pay people enough to do the field work. It was even worse in Texas after 1820 because there was so much available free land that any white farmer coming in would quickly quit work on a plantation and start his own farm. So cotton and slavery were essential to that wealth.
So the industrial revolution, international trade, and slavery in both the American South and the South American northern regions (particularly Brazil) were all tightly bound together. The trade in cotton cloth also destroyed the Indian craft of weaving cotton, which as I recall Ghandi worked all his life to resurrect. That and the process of growing cotton in Egypt were also connected, but I haven't read much about that.
Since Mexico outlawed slavery after breaking with Spain, there was a constant problem between the White colonists in Texas and the government of Mexico, a tension that was clearly a very important factor in the break away of Texas from Mexico in 1836. I mention that to emphasize the combination of industrial revolution and global trade in creating the American Southern culture that surrounded slavery.
The culture of the South was created or accentuated by the social demands of the economic system. (I'm not disagreeing with Franklin. I just think there was an attraction to those of similar culture out of the British isles.) The Haitian slave revolt of 1792 created panic throughout the slave cultures, and the South created white militias to enforce curfew, required every white male to always carry a gun even to church on Sundays, and required every male college student in the South to take military science. The 19th century South was a militarized culture because of slavery. That slavery was required to provide the income that kept the plantation owners wealthy. It's that culture that has never been changed in the South and that we still see in South Carolina among the upper classes.
September 19, 2009 4:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, my reading confirms all of these points. That 1792 uprising just scared the living shite out of the South.
Not too longer after that Monroe acting as a Virginia General put down a rather small revolt in comparison.
THE END IS NEAR.
Just like our fear of communism half a century ago.
The entire South looked like it fit into one of those strange moiety models discussed by cultural anthropologists. black/white superior/inferior ...black church/white church
And for Freud, I mean this must have been a godsend for an atheist. White men/Black women...
Kind of mystical in a way.
September 19, 2009 4:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The answer to your question is found in William Lee Miller's book "Arguing About Slavery". It's extremely well written, very interesting and one of the best histories I've ever read. You will get to know the personalities involved and the debates and it will be eerie how similar it is to turning on your tv and watching the personalities we see today. Go get the book. You will be very glad you did.
September 19, 2009 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIPan-rEQJA
September 18, 2009 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great link Jonnie. CCR
September 18, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the question, phrased properly, would be thus: Do you believe that Bush read three of Shakespeare's plays?
Other than that, as usual, nicely done.
September 18, 2009 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
HAHHAHAAH. After thought; from a couple days ago. I will fix it.
September 18, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
My comment, too. So I agree, even though you are grumpy Grouch!!
September 19, 2009 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of the most compelling books I've ever read was David Hackett Fischer's: Albions' Seed: Four British Folkways in America. It tracks the religious/culturally-disparate groups who arrived in America from what we know as the UK. Fischer analyzed their specific values, one from another, and documented how the mix of those religious/cultural groups, over time, resulted in the value conflict we see today, now exacerbated and complicated by the religion/culture of additional groups of emigres, most notable in number among them, Hispanics.
Fischer's contention was that the original settlements of Puritans, Quakers, Anglicans and Scots Presbyterians (he ignored Catholics, per se) held fundamentally different views about major life tasks, among them: community cohesion, child rearing, marriage and property rights. In an astonishing summary, on pp. 724-6 (I think) he graphed those differences, pointing out that the push and pull among the groups had to do entirely with definitions of "right" behavior.
Geography played an important part in the conflict, as Puritans settled in the northeast, Quakers settled initially in Pennsylvania and Delaware, the "Tidewater" Anglicans settled in Maryland, Virginia and points south, and the Highland Scots settled into the Appalachian chain (not trail). So that in the Northeast, the Yankee was soon perceived as humorless and judgmental -- one who believed in "will breaking;" while the Mid-Atlantic Quaker was perceived as one who believed in equality, in all respects, who believed in "will enhancement;" the Tidewater Anglican was perceived as one who believed in "benevolent dictatorship" and "will bending;" while the Highland Scot/ Presbyterian believed in clan loyalty above all else and "will for the sake of will."
When Tidewater Anglicans and Highland Scot/Presbyterian cultures intermarried, the result was predictable: benevolent dictatorship, with its emphasis on hierarchy, had a lot in common, given certain obvious exceptions, with clan competition and desire for ascendancy. The African slaves brought into this miasma of belief in superiority/inferiority were effectively scapegoated as not only "the other" but also as a convenient "lesser than."
No one can excuse Calhoun or any other Tidewater supremacist. But it is important to understand why they espoused the absurd and abusive beliefs they held to be self-evident, much as Jefferson (a murky man on the subject of hierarchy and race) referred to "truths" he regarded as self-evident.
Then there is the issue of clan loyalty. And Shelby Foote epitomizes the best of that weakness in human affection. No one, imo, has made a more earnest effort to soul-search the south and its role in the Civil War; yet, no one epitomizes to a greater extent, the identification with gender, religion, culture and class that Fischer was at such pains to document.
It is in Fischer's context that the agony of the Civil War makes more "sense," logically, than even does Foote's exhaustive effort at southern self-examination. Because Fischer's study give us a background context in which to see the flaws and weaknesses in rationale play out, whereas Foote's exemplary recitation and interpretation of fact is still colored by affection and loyalty.
The End.
September 18, 2009 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This book was recommended to me wwstabler and I plan to read it soon.
September 18, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is incredible. I will confess to you that I spent six hours on this last nite. It is something that has been bothering me for some time. I mean the basic statement in the MSM that racism has nothing to do with this town hall crap.
Your little essay just demonstrates how complicated this country is...in fact you and I both know how complicated any major issue is.
Gender, religion, culture and class. Jeeeez.
I know you have so much on your plate right now...
But your take on this would be a fantastic blog on its own, in my humble opinion.
I am still fascinated by the fact that Morgan Freeman is a proud Son of Mississippi. And yet is exasperated at the racism down in his state. I have seen him interviewed on that status several times. He rolls his eyes and shakes his head and looks down. 11% of the white population in Mississippi voted for Barack Obama.
September 18, 2009 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wonderful, fulsome explanation, wendy. Thanks.
September 18, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your description of Albions' Seed is excellent. I would only add that the book is fascinating in showing how very specific cultural practices in these societies became the ancestors of attitudes and norms of later generations in ways that only become obvious when a Fisher comes along and spells it out.
I think of Kevin Phillip's Cousins' War as companion piece to Fischer's work because Phillip's thesis is that the same people who fought each other in the English revolution ended up fighting each other again in the American Revolution and the Civil war.
Phillips says things Fischer never would but the former is made more interesting because of the work of the latter.
September 18, 2009 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Moat. I don't know that book, but I will make its acquaintance tomorrow. I really appreciate the reference.
BTW, where have you been? You've been missed.
September 18, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now you got me, you have my attention.
Reminds me that our French & Indian War was just a small battle in the great hundred years war in Europe. hahahaha
Now I have to find both books.
Thanks Moat
September 18, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two books to put on your reading list, DD, both by John Hope Franklin, an amazing man and historian who passed away in late Spring. The first is the autobiography he wrote at the age of 90, Mirror to America, and the second, his magnum opus, From Slavery to Freedom. I have to confess i find just about all military history depressing and monuments to waste and lack of ingenuity. Noble dead are as dead as ignoble dead. This is why I find Lincoln's Second Inaugural perhaps the best
American speech of all time.
Anyhow, Franklin is about as good as it gets for the social history of slavery, and his own life testimony to enduring racism and silence on the racial issue.
But it was a joy to read you, and recover from seeing President Carter trashed as sanctimonious.
So thanks and thanks again.
September 18, 2009 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why did THEY do that Professor? Trash one of the finest people to ever claim American Citizenship.
I would take President Carter's word over just about anybody's.
The White House has to stay out of this. I understand that.
But these raacists have to be confronted.
September 18, 2009 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Franklin is superb of course, but I would rank Roll Jordan Roll up there with the best of books in terms of describing the world of the slaves themselves. I highly recommend it to one and all.
September 19, 2009 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Spot on Dickon. And this is the thing. When Kennedy sent the troupes and finally the Civil Rights Act - these were the last straw for the southern Democrats. Before that the it was solid, but no more.
Encouraged by Buckley, Helms, Buchanan and Rove they took over the republican party. As has been pointed out on Moyers tonight, the intellectual conservative became more and more a minority in the republican party replaced by staunch white supremacists.
When Reagan (who was originally a Democrat) said "Government is the problem" he was not just talking about economics, he was talking about race as well.
And when it looked like the Democratic part was being taken over by liberals and peace activists, the hawks left for the republican party too.
Now the republicans have become the New Dixiecrats and theocrats and right wing fringe.
With the Presidency now occupied by a Black...this sticks in their craw big time.
C
September 18, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are damn right it sticks in their craw.
There was never any honor in the gentlemen's agreement. No honor at all.
September 18, 2009 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep! The Republican Party is now, in essence, a regional party defined by chiefly racism.
September 19, 2009 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
If racism is still a problem in this country that means there are still racists in this country. Since there are really just two parties in this country, which one are they going to gravitate towards? Hmmm.
September 19, 2009 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez, DD ... that was a breathtaking piece of writing. Congrats.
If you haven't alrerady done so, please award yourself the daily whatdayacallyour award from all of us to all of you, etc.
Personally, I wonder what were the three Shakespeare plays that "W" supposedly read? Measure for Measure, Titus Andronicus, and Troilus and Cressida? Nah, probably Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet and Twelfth Night. (Oh wait, he probably had to read Julius Caesar in High School, and that counts, so what were the other two?)
You're take on the racism is right on the money. imho.
September 19, 2009 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the kind words. The w reference was from a silly note quoted in that new book from a WH rat.
w thinks he is communicating on the sly, like he is slipping in certain info to make others think he is an intellectual. It is like the freshman in English lit class who pretends to 'know' things. But the Freshman will certainly cite the play and give a quote or two.
I get so damn mad sometimes. hahahahaha
September 19, 2009 1:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well done DD.
September 19, 2009 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Oleeb so much, for the kind words and your other comments as well as your book references.
September 19, 2009 2:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your umbrage about Scarborough's absurdist denial and the denial of others is well-taken and you are not alone. We watched the campaign; we heard people say that the government would all be run now by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. How's he explain that? They didn't mean it or it was fabricated broadcasting, what?
I strongly agree with your observation that if we are surprised, just *think* what these ignorant bigots are living through.
I said before that Sarah's undelivered speech at concession time, would have been all about don't-think-some-piddly-election-changes-anything! For-the-stupid-and-bigoted-have-only-begun-to-fight!
Patriots working for McCain wouldn't let her say that seditionist filth, thank heaven and thank those guys heartily. The campaign was bad news for racists, but these dumbshits never really got the idea that they would have to wake up day after day and this "colored" would really be calling himself President and riding in Bush's own cabin in Air Force One and all of it! That's what the refer to when the bigoted pigs call for him to show humility. Air Force One was never *designed* for black people with their crazy hair and the whole thing can't simply be reconstructed for some Black Studies major or whatever he was that's not even an American. Why can't he drive?
Same with the joint session. He comes into "their" House and marches right up to the podium like he's King Farouk? Mark Kirk (R., Ill.) put it real well that it was a "missed opportunity": he should have come to listen to them, not talk.
Birthers is a simple one as you say: Each birther is a bigot, end of story. Thanks for that.
I have trouble keeping the Civil War straight, to be honest. Thanks for all that; some it may stick. A woman commentating on MSNBC said this week (she's not too old BTW) that she was taught in Southern schools that the conflagration was called, The War of Northern Aggression. Bigots are everywhere, but the numbers in the South who believe Obama is (18%) or might be (17%) from another country are enormous compared to an other region.
September 19, 2009 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know what OT. I am just amazed at how much time people take to read such a long (relatively of course) post interweaving so many ideas as well as stream of conscious notations.
Besides the length of some of these critiques, no one attacks me for relating my take on the Shakespeare series. I mean WHO REALLY CARES WHAT WILD BILL'S RELIGION WAS? Like there are real differences between the Anglican Church and the Roman Catholic Church.
And you even 'get' why I wrote this in the first place. SCARBOROUGH PISSES ME OFF. HAHAAHAHHA
Thank you.
September 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've got me thinking about the difference between racism in the US and in Europe. In both you've probably got the same percentage of the population overtly racist. So no difference there. But what you have in the States and nowhere else is the "Gentleman's" racism. You can be a racist and have a national prime time TV show, a fawning cover story in Time, the respectful ear of the media elite, a national party's kneeling reverence. You don't get that anywhere else. the BNP in Britain, Le Pen in France, the UDC here in Switzerland. Maybe Holland is an exception, though I don't know much about it.
Why is it condoned? I really don't understand it. Maybe because the GOP elite condones it, even encourages it, and no-one dares de-legitimize the GOP. Because once you admit that, you admit that the current political setup - the two party system - just isn't working. Maybe someone else has a better answer.
Great blog Dick. Great title.
September 19, 2009 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Obey. Thank you so much. To get some positive feed-back from someone residing in Europe really feels goooood.
Glaivester thinks I am some sort of apologist.
As Peter Townsend once put it:
I DON'T NEED TO BE FORGIVEN.
At least on this blog. hahahaha
September 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't help but notice that you seem to indicate that Jamaicans urinating on a statue in the public square of the Netherlands should not be considered the problem here; no, the fact that white Dutch object to it is the problem.
You also seem to imply that all conflict between European non-Muslims and Muslims is the fault of the bigoted European non-Muslims.
Nowhere do you consider that the behavior of the Jamaicans in this instance is what is inappropriate, or that perhaps Muslim behavior is as much of a problem as non-Muslim reaction.
It seems that much of the time "anti-racism" simply means anti-white and anti-Western.
September 19, 2009 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did not say that at all. I did not even intend to imply it.
What I did know, what I did learn, what I did intend to communicate was that the 'businessmen' I ran into did not like the new immigrants and the new immigrants had little respect for Amsterdam.
The Islanders, for whatever reason ended up there and they could not get their needs tended to. They were not being employed, they had no visible means of support and they appeared to be upset about their current condition.
I said plainly, I think, that there was racial strife FOR WHATEVER REASON.
And that there is racial and religious strife in the U.K. as well as France all centering on their new Muslim Immigrants. Period. The end.
September 19, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glaivester, are you a complete moron? Are you an apologist for the various skin-head Nationalist movements advocating racial purity? Just asking...
September 19, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink