PRESCIENCE
Without Looking through the window, you may see the ways of heaven
The farther you go, the less you know
Thus the sage knows without traveling;
He sees without looking;
He works without doing.
Tao Te Ching (Ch-47)
Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects
Will Rogers*
Jonnienohands contacted me concerning a new blog. He noted that there is a new conspiracy theory out there combining all the things we love best in the repub philosophy; libel, slander, misinformation, conjecture and just plain animosity. Ha! Consider this then, a joint post but do not fault Jonnie overly much. Ha!!
There has always been a small percentage of the public who are more prescient than others. There was, of course, the Oracle at Delphi.
Delphi, was and is a special island, part of the Ancient Greek States. But by special appointment, rulers and dignitaries and of course rich folks would visit the Oracle, known as Pythia in her mysterious cave. Supposedly, the name of the eerie damsel came from the original name for her island. By the by we get our word 'pithy' from the lady; which is supposed to mean terse. But the Greek root means 'to rot'. Hahahahaha!!!
There were rules of course and my take was that the rules not only varied over several centuries but that the rules might vary according to how powerful the visitor was and perhaps how big his entourage was.
The Oracle was probably on some drug which would help create the trance effect. Although there are theories that somehow gases were naturally present in the cave that caused the strange behavior of the Oracle; and give her enough guts to confront the visitor.

File:John Collier - Priestess of Delphi.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgSyB5xSo2U
A little background music would not hurt during the session of course. There were many humorous anecdotes relating to this Seer and her predictions:
Croesus who appears as a main character in Heroditus as well as Thucydides came to Pythia seeking some advice in the sixth century BC. He asked her if it might be a good idea to attack the Persians. Basically this was the Oracle's answer:
If Croecus would make war upon the Persians, a mighty empire would fall.
And it sure did. I mean Croecus' empire went right down the shitter.
In a more modern vein, we had an oracle of our own by the name of Edgar Cayce. He has his own web site:
http://www.edgarcayce.org/historychannel/cayce7prophecies.asp
Here are a few of Cayce's predictions:
1. Cayce Foresees the Stock Market Crash of 1929
2. World War II
3. The Shifting of the Earth's Poles Has Begun (Edgar Cayce prediction from 1936)
4. Convergence of Communications Companies
5. There Was a Community of People Called the Essenes
Of course some would argue that his site only includes the 'predictions' that came true. I mean how do I know that sometime in 1928 old Edgar wasn't taking a steam bath with the elite and that one drunken stockbroker present did not say:
HEY THIS IS NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER
And of course, why shouldn't Europe be caught up in another war as it had for every single century following the death of the Christ. I mean the real surprise is that Europe--at least Western Europe--gave up on war really; 64 years and counting. Now THAT is impressive.
But, still, we must take a look at the TRACK RECORD of our modern day Oracles before putting much trust in them. Do you not think?
There is another LIVING Oracle out there, one whom we must heed. This has just come to my attention:
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, who is currently one of the leading opponents of health care reform as the head of FreedomWorks, is not above telling lies in his quest to derail President Obama's reform efforts. In a recent interview with the Financial Times, Armey went further than usual, positing a paranoid conspiracy theory about how Obama will push reform through Congress:
Mr Armey, 69, predicted that the "grassroots" backlash against what he called Mr Obama's "hostile government takeover of a sixth of the US economy" would cause the reform to fail spectacularly. But he predicted that supporters of reform would attempt to win over the "bed-wetters caucus" - a group of wavering lawmakers who spanned both parties, he said - with a fear campaign in the autumn.
"In September or October there will be a hyped up outbreak of the swine flu which they'll say is as bad as the bubonic plague to scare the bed-wetters to vote for healthcare reform," said Mr Armey. "That is the only way they can push something on to the American people that the American people don't want."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/18/armey-flu-bed-wetters/
Sometime in the next month or so, we will all be notified by the liberal communist HHS that there is a new plague on the masses. Go into your bomb shelters for three months or run down and get your flu shots. Of course, you cannot get your flu shots unless and until the new Health Care Legislation has been signed sealed and delivered.
But the Tea-Baggers (Not those girls at the free sites idiots, the right wing protesters with the AK-17s) are being warned about all this hype and will refuse to get the shots which, to their minds carry a plague anyway. Takes you back to the old fluoridated water does it not?
BREAKING NEWS: December 8, 2009
(AP) NEW FLU BREAKOUT
A massive outbreak of Swine Flu has experts baffled. Some two million people have come down with this newest version of influenza; a number not predicted following a massive attempt at inoculation following passage of the Health Care Legislation Part One.
The new outbreak is centered south of the Mason/Dixon line and a new study already demonstrates that it's prominent in gun owners. It appears that the 'teabaggers' were shunning the antidote to the virus on the same grounds that their grand parents were shunning fluoridated water.
Dick Armey, former Majority Leader in the House of Representatives was quoted as saying:
It's a damn shame. That's all I can say. A damn shame.
Here is our oracle. But we must take a look at this man's track record as far as other assessments and predictions:
Hillary Clinton bothers me a lot. I realized the other day that her thoughts sound a lot like Karl Marx. She hangs around a lot of Marxists. All her friends are Marxists.
I don't believe America will justifiably make an unprovoked attack on another nation. It would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation.
My own view would be to let Saddam bluster, let him rant and rave all he wants. As long as he behaves himself within his own borders, we should not be addressing any attack or resources against him.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/dickarmey143217.html
Well, personally, I think Hillary is and was a bit more conservative than My President, but if she is a Marxist, well......
And dicky armey really had this Iraqi thing all figured out, I mean he knew Iraq and he knew his president w and all. No way w would just take us to war like that.
At any rate, let us all join together and sing the Rockin' Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Blues:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMnWJ5FGBHQ
*http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/will_rogers_2.html
















Love it, DD
August 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Scotty. Thank you very much!!!
August 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
PreScience? Is that like PreMed?
August 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the word for just that reason. I use it toooo much like about 20 others that kind of lie in some area of my brain.
Makes it kind of a double entendre, do you not think?
August 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't think anymore. I just type.
August 20, 2009 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Likely you read too many Frank Herbert Dune books.
As to Delphi,a Scientific American article argued for benzene being present in the gases percolating up through two crossed faults that underlie the site, and the oracle's room was below ground level, as well as poorly ventilated.
As to crazies, Rick Perlstein has been pointing out their previous flareups, and we only need to consider the millenarium panics in the Middle Ages, or during Plague years. Ignorance is common and persistent, since not everyone needs to be informed and smart. Other people figure stuff out, find the travel routes, learn how to preserve food, make the wheels and boats,, and so on. All populations include dopes, because they can get along OK. And it's not really genetics, although there is some intelligence range. That talent is considered roughly 50% heritable.
It's the lumpen parents that don't stir their stumps to stimulate the kids, by educating, entertaining, enabling, and such. Think about all those horrible parents in fairy tales.
As peoplechoose asks, is it easier to notice such now? I think it's always been known, but we recently forgot, falling into a fallacy of thinking everyone has the same capability and interest in knowing the world.
August 20, 2009 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Tom. Yeah and I do not dismiss 'some findings' of the two fellows studying IQ. They extrapolate and of course when you do that you end up making a race apart of the findings which is ridiculous.
That fact is, regardless of race, there are people who will 'test out' at 150 IQ (anybody can tell I am short of that) or who find themselves in the top five percent of the SAT scores or ACT scores or whatever.
I am more interested in the fellow with the 10,000 hour theory. You have to work at something 10,000 hours AND LIKE IT before you reach the upper crust in the profession. http://shikow.blogspot.com/2008/11/10000-hours-magic-number-to-be-expert.html
You are bound to learn something within that time even if you do not particularly like the task. But you are going to really get good if you LOVE WHAT YOU DO!
How did we get on this subject anyway? ha
August 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Armey, wasn't that the guy who decided Bush was a juvenile asshole because he wouldn't sign his WH visitor's pass, or something? I can kind of sympathize with Bush, I know I'd like to do something juvenile, like smack him in the mouth for no reason. Just because, there are much too many reasons to mention...
I did not know this stuff. Thanks Dick.
August 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Obey, it might be in the genes. I mean his ancestors did not even know how to spell 'army'.
August 20, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, all anyone needs to predict the future is a working knowledge of the past. ;o)
The CDC has already come out with a warning about the resurgence of the H1N1 virus. It's gonna hit again and be even more virulent than it was earlier in the year because the virus has had time to mutate some muscles.
August 20, 2009 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The flu is nothing to scoff at. We have been lucky the last few years for some reason but the scientists wish to err on the side of safety. Thank the Good Lord. (Blesses himself)
That someone like Armey would spew out this kind of garbage. It is one thing to just lie thinking you are working for the greater good I suppose--although give me the greater good in repub lies will you please?
But to actually campaign for money from your health lobby employer and put at risk people who think they can secede from the union..........
Not much humor in that. And I would guess there are right wing blogs urging Armey on before he ever said such a stupid thing.
August 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget - we're talking about H1N1 *swine* flu now. H1N1 *avian* flu is a different critter - apparently more dangerous, but not able to spread as quickly.
August 20, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. I suppose I can just link the hi and get it. Thank you.
August 20, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Avian is H5N1. And yes, it's much less transmissible. And that is a very good thing.
August 20, 2009 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the correction - I should have double-checked with the google instead of relying on memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H1N1
This has a listing of several H-N- flu types for those of us who are curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1
August 21, 2009 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm suspicious:
How is it that Dick Armey knows so much about Marxism?
Can one know that much about Marxism without BEING a Marxist?
And weren't those who OPPOSED Bushit's illegal invasion of Iraq TRAITORS?
To my way of thinking, there's no greater traitor than a Marxist who pretends to be a Republican in order to "pass" as being instead a "patriot".
August 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahaha. Well remember the Hebrew haters and baiters, they were all experts in the Old Testament, so why not?
August 20, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g
August 20, 2009 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is great Jonnie. hahahahaha
I saw this a long time ago. I love the 'tabs', I can keep playing it and work. ha
August 20, 2009 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
that is so funny, the whole 10 minutes. Lewis Black is great. Required listening for those holding onto civility in a world filled with oracles like Dick Armey.
August 20, 2009 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the legislation is delayed. The outbreak comes and overwhelms the system and the Bills get passed.
So some over hiped nutzoid takes a pot shot at Obama or some Dem. riots break out and the government calls up the National Guard in response.
Can you say self full filling prophecies ?
C
August 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You bet C. There is such a thing as dangerous talk.
We must meet it with talk, I guess. What else are we to do?
I am older and less afraid of death lately. I would walk right up to the armed protesters. I really would.
But if I had two little kids, I might think twice.
August 20, 2009 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post, DD:)
Dick Armey is as much a sage, luminary and visionary as he is a winning Preakness and Derby jockey, world-renowned humanitarian, women's pro tennis player, concert pianist, marine biologist, veterinarian, illustrious conductor of the Boston Pops, America's foremost Black intellectual, the list goes on and on...
August 20, 2009 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Got a laugh out of me Gary. There have been times when I have seen Armey on cable over the years, and he sounded so sane. Really.
Now his checks and balances come from his bank account and his bank account only.
August 20, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
we need a new phrase for Republicans that have gone clear off the reservation. Jumped the shark doesn't quite capture it. These neo-nuts are diving headfirst into crazy town right and left. (Well, just on the right if we're talking Republicans.) Did you see Delay on Matthews last night? Reality is no longer his default setting. He's not just insane. He's criminally insane. Indicted on conspiracy charges, going on Dancing with the Stars?
Leg Iron Rumba anyone??
August 20, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post, DD. As usual, your brainy brain, your highly entertaining brain, taught me a thing or two.
But Armey? Sane? When?
Not here:
http://ramonasvoices.blogspot.com/2009/01/two-little-boys-sittin-in-mud.html
August 20, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ramona that is exactly what I'm talking about--on your blog. Ed is different. And of course Keith and Rachel always work when nothings on and I get so many reruns in a nite I hardly ever miss.
But I REMEMBER THAT AND I LOVE JOAN. Yes I do. Still run to read her a couple times a week at Salon.
August 20, 2009 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
He wasn't much of an academic Economist, either. That's a big reason he went into politics. He was roundly detested in the economics department of North Texas State University when I entered the grad business program there a year or so after he was elected to Congress. He was also known as the crackpot who slept in his office to save money once he got to Congress. I guess the Libertarians didn't offer cheap rooms to Congressmen the way the Xtianist (Dominionist) fundamentalists of C-Street do.
But then ideological Libertarians who get PhD's in Economics have never, as far as I am aware, done any real ground-breaking economic research of the type Krugman did. My theory for that is that the Libertarians are too busy trying to prove the truth of their ideology to actually ask and research questions. Then they get angry because they feel the academic economists don't respect them because of their ideology. But it's not that. Real researchers will take and run with any new idea that leads to new and effective streams of further research. they don't have to like the person with the original idea, and often don't. But Libertarianism is an ideology, not a successful stream of research. It's a dry hole for good, researchable ideas.
The two academic economists I am aware of are Armey and Phil Gramm. The economics departments of both North Texas State University (Armey) and Texas A&M (Gramm) heaved great sighs of relief when those two moved on into politics. I was told the A&M economists regretted losing Wendy Gramm, but felt it was worth it to get rid of her husband.
I wonder how much sociological similarity there is between groups of ideological conservatives, ideological fundamentalists, and ideological libertarians? All seem to fail completely to comprehend science and scientific thinking. So what else is similar?
And yes, that question is designed to suggest an answer. I am interested in the potential sociological or social psychological details of such an answer, along with whether the premise is confirmed or denied. That's because I think there is a great affinity between those groups that in part explains their political alliance in Republican Party since the Reagan Revolution.
August 21, 2009 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess that is where I fall down intellectually.
First, C-STreet people really do not believe in anything internally. Their way is the way of leadership. The peasants must be shown the way and adopt it internally. AGain, Pat Robertson praying for Supreme Court Justices to die or voicing their concern over taxation of off shore corporations has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ for chrissakes!!!!
Phil Graham, as far as I am concerned, believes in nothing. He learned how the 'big guys' were making money by the bucketfull and figured out how to 'get in the game.' How can I make as much money as fast as possible and pay the smallest amount of taxes. I really do not believe that phil believes IN ANYTHING EXCEPT for himself, his, and his friends who will reciprocate in kind.
Armey would sometimes sound sane to me. But he got out in order to make as much money as fast as possible and pay as little taxes as possible. I do not think he believes in anything anymore.
Now Chris Matthews who is disappointing to me says that he refuses to judge people's intentions in the sense that he figures you cannot prove what people are thinking or feeling. So Tom Delay gets on tv with him.
WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS FELON DOING ON CABLE TV? and of course Delay lies for his five minutes of fame today....one lie after another. Delay does not believe in anything and never did.
I decided Gingrich is just a manic depressive so that he looks at times like he believes in something...but that has to do with his personality disorder.
I have no problems judging people's souls...it is so easy sometimes.
Nixon is complicated to me. I have much more admiration for him these days. I will probably do a meaningless blog on that subject or a series. But he was a man with intents and aims and a view of America and he got messed up over his resentments. His adieu is marvelous, just marvelous. You should not hold resentments, they will hurt you more than the person you resent. How best to describe himself with the enemies lists. He would break down emotionally. Armey, Delay, Graham...they cannot really break down emotionally...they are incapable of it.
I am hitting delay tomorrow with an emphasis on Sweeney. Sweeney is the most fun...hahahahahahaha
You are asking for a philosophical discussion, for me, only human questions arise. You cannot look at an economy where so much comes from the government to industry and then claim you are libertarian. As all the money ends up in the oligarchy's coffers, to stand back and say c'est la vie is ludicrous. Like a guard at a concentration camp just looking on and thinking, hey other people make these decisions, I just follow orders.
August 21, 2009 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I recently discovered the idea of "The iron Law of oligarchy." It's "... a political theory, first developed by the German syndicalist sociologist Robert Michels in his 1911 book, Political Parties. It states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic or autocratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop into oligarchies. The reasons for this are the technical indispensability of leadership, the tendency of the leaders to organize themselves and to consolidate their interests; the gratitude of the led towards the leaders, and the general immobility and passivity of the masses." (wikipedia)
As far as I can tell, it has never failed. Because of the nature of organizations and of the philosophy of property rights, every organization will become an authoritarian oligarchy, even the ones dedicated to goals of achieving anarchism and syndicalism. The only question remaining unanswered is who runs the organization, what goals those top individuals profess to be trying to achieve and what goals they actually act to achieve.
Michels himself started as a syndicalist and ended up a Mussolini fascist in the 1920's. I'd say it happens to libertarians too. How can Grover Norquist continue to speak of small government low taxes and yet support the authoritarians of the conservative movement? The leadership rhetoric can be libertarian, the practice is authoritarian. Certainly Norquist himself is a major tool of achieving an authoritarian Republican Party. I don't see a lot of consistency in the Republican Party, and I no longer expect to. That's especially true as long as they are driven by unconscious goals and refuse to accept that is true and face those goals.
August 21, 2009 4:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting that one generation could spawn so many dumbasses and traitors.
Or is that true for all generations and we only now have the means to recognize it? Which would mean they've always been with us but have never answered for their crimes.
August 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You and I both have touched on this subject TPC, at least over the year I have been playing on the Web.
I think I was going to hit on this subject more in depth sometime ago. Soldiers came back from WWII to their home in the south, and bitched and moaned about how they had sacrificed everything for their country and now they were forced to send their kids to school with the n..........s.
If FDR had been a fascist, he would have been made dictator. Not defacto but dejure.
August 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find that an odd translation of war. If we go to war to preserve the country I translate that as what is good about the nation and to assure we can continue to honor the rights of all citizens equally. Going to war doesn't infer any special right or privilege on those who fought. That is, not if they did it in the truest sense of patriotism. When I was called in 1967 I went proudly and was honored to serve my country.
If anything the experience, for me anyway, sharpened the notion of defending the rights of every American. I don't think those who didn't make it back would like it very much if they knew where we are today. They may not have been so willing had they thought Wall Street would end up stealing from the entire country and become exempt from honoring the equality of all citizens and violate the societal moral code we theoretically live by.
The same goes for the Jeff Sessions or Chuck Grassleys of the country. Frankly, I am deeply offended they are U.S. senators. I've lived in NC, MS, Fl and AZ and others and cannot figure out how the people of those states selected their representatives. I can't honestly say I found the people of those states to be bad people in any way. They may be short on education and social awareness but the only way they elect the people they do is because the persons who position themselves as leaders flat out lie to those citizens. I harbor no ill will against any of the the persons in the so called red states. But I do take issue with their politicians who so callously take advantage of them. To me that ethical and moral violation transcends anything in our legal code. This reminds me of Ensign getting up there and saying he didn't break any laws. What he doesn't say is he trampled all over any ethical or moral codes and probably crossed over the line when it comes to separation of church and state and did so surreptitiously.
If the entire citizenry conducted itself like our congress does, we would be in far more dire shape than we already are. The only thing holding this country together is mainstream Americans grasping for dear life the values they intuitively know are the ones they want their children to have. And decidedly not the ones proposed by the actions of so many of our elected officials.
August 21, 2009 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
It occurred to me I should have said I uderstand fully the translation you state isn't yours.
August 21, 2009 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
FWIW earlier this week I had sent a message to Obama at the WH message center that fundamentally echoes what I have said here. I asked him in closing that particular message, where does he think our national leadership is leading the nation.
One thing about Obama steadfastly seeking bipartisanship is it requires cooperation and enforces some sense of having our public officials take responsibility. Where they refuse to participate they shirk that responsibility and in fact are frauduently collecting a paycheck. Of course, that fraud is minor to some others being committed.
August 21, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hello, dick. I wonder if i could highjack this a bit in order to ask if any readers are able to get: Weekly immingration wire: silence strengthens opposition; it's under Recent Posts. It's an important subject to me, but i can't get the red X in the gray box to open again, therefore am unable to rec it or comment. It's about how little attention is on the health care protestors getting ginned up over immigration, and the expansion of the (nasty) 287g program. I'd appreciate if any of you could let Weekly know some of us can't access all of the blog.
Thank you in advance, y'all.
August 20, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will bring your issue to chat also.
August 20, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stimulating for the minority, a new reality show premiers
tonight on the cable window called Dancing with the Tzars.
Dick Armey and Tom Delay will foxtrot with authority for the minority with a curious rightwing backstep - alternating longer slower walking mis-steps with shorter quicker running mis-steps, usually with four beatings for the bartender.
Codeword for tonight on twitter will be “FU” for Tom, Dick and Scary.
August 20, 2009 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay Strato. This is my second attempt to reply. hahaaha
Every find yourself at some tab and you cannot remember how you got there?
If McVeigh were still alive you think he could get on a reality show?
I do know this, Delay's partner will be wearing less make up than he.
August 20, 2009 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just got back. It works fine for me Wendy. Try it again
August 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you; gotta say, though, contrarian asshole that I do be: I think the original quote is sorta goofy, "without going outside you may know the whole world." Nice sentiment, but: i don't think so. But then, i am not a buddhist, though i love the I Ching. Makes my brain and imagination work hard; i often have to just let the words wash over me; though, i have to do that alot, in any event. (full disclosure, smile)
August 20, 2009 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Turns out it's video from the young turks; GO, cenki!
August 20, 2009 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with jonnie on this Wendy. You think I read you because there is nothing else on?
I am not the Tao. As a matter of fact within the next week I will offer the one meditation really applicable to me.
The idea here, in this chapter, is that if we are not vigilant we will not see. You can travel, go to the normal sites and LEARN NOTHING. You could have learned more if you stayed home.
Inductive logic is not available to those who do not see.
I do not read it as saying, stay home and chant.
At any rate, you are alive and vibrant Wendy and you follow Voltaire's philosophy, you work in your garden. ha
August 20, 2009 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just took a hot bath; it's where i do my best stream-ish thinking! I realized that one of the big reasons that i was iffy about the opening Taoist quote is per-son-al. I am, for now, at least, pretty much house-bound; i can do a bit of outside work for my bird photographs, and a tiny garden, both of which keep me slightly saner than i would be otherwise. But my life for decades was all about being out and about, at wonderful work (corrective massage therapy), community activities, charity work, and running political campaigns. And our kids, school, their activities, all that. Now i have an almost entirely different, rather constrained life; i am trying to still kick the hell out of, each and every day, and have had to shift What I Look Forward to Each Morning. What gets me out of bed at 4:30. I have found so many other things to love about life and appreciate, but I miss travel, and people, and society, and causes, and working with other folks on common projects.
So the quote that you can know the whole of the world through your window got me cranky. That's all. Please don't take my comment awry; it was my own issues that caused me to object. When my brain burped a few years ago during knee surgery, i lost lots of memory, which turns out to be a huge portion of intelligence: accessing, and recovery, computation, etc. I am regaining lots, and writing helps me research, express, and retrieve information. For the most part, i am proud to be such an old dog regaining her tricks! My best to you, old dear.
August 20, 2009 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see Wendy. Now that was fruitful. Now you realize what you were missing.
But we make due.
You still are my Voltaire.
August 20, 2009 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, see; here i again do not understand your meaning. Voltaire...was he the one who said, "I garden; therfore I am?"
August 20, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Decartes that was. Rats.
August 21, 2009 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now I am afraid to respond because if I do this incorrectly, you will think that I think you are ignorant.
I always loved the word ignoramus. You know why? Because the literal Latin transalation of ignoramus is:
We, all of us, are ignorant. Ha.
A famouns philosopher was so upset about injustice in seventeenth century Europe; so angry; so confused that he fell back into his chair one day in a moment of clarity; and as if the Tao just came to him he wrote:
What is is, and what is not is not.
Voltaire was a Frenchman who fought for justice his entire life at the time of the enlightenment. Here was an entirely new perspective. He was a Deist really. Understood that there was no valid reason for an Aristocracy having lived and worked with members thereof....
He gave up one day in his old age. He worked in his garden. He suggested in his moment of clarity that, in the end, we must till our own garden as best we can.
You will make a comment and then say:
I must go back to the garden.
At first a line from Woodstock and Joanie Mitchell.
But ultimately from Voltaire.
For some reason it always touches me when you say:
I must go back to my garden.
THE END
August 21, 2009 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
How dear! I loved the explanation. I looked up Voltaire in my encyclopedia (an actual hard copy!) and it didn't do Voltaire justice. I will be Voltaire for you any day. I'm with him on justice, and especially economic justice, without which, i think, there is no real justice. That's what inexpensive universal health care means to me.
Goodness, the things I am ignorant about! That's why I ask for explanations so often; I think it's better to risk appearing ignorant: if you don't ask, it's like wanting to remain ignorant.
Please don't ever be hesitant to school me, especially when i ask (smile). Like i still don't want to know the rules of football, or who some of the pop culture icons are (grin).
Joni Mitchell is one of my musical heroes. I used to perform music with another woman, guitar and vocal; for me, Mitchell's songs were sadly too difficult for my mediocre guitar skills. Amy Rae is another one (Indigo Girls) and my voice is in her range, and her guitar work is easier, sans embellishments.
Gotta get ou in the garden for a bit...tra-la!
August 21, 2009 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
DD, I think how we come to learn and understand, especially abstract things, is very much an individual thing. Personally, and I have conveyed this to you before, I've lived in a dozen or more states and I wouldn't trade that experience and the uderstanding gained for all the books in the world. That is how I learn.
I would be suspicious of learning where it is absent an association with people. That association is a crucial piece that contributes to and alters the learning, producing an entirely different perspective as an outcome. I think some things can be entirely learned from books, others less so and some not at all. I think this is true without regard to the person doing the learning. Even the simplest social interaction offers a stimulus to thought that might not otherwise occur.
August 21, 2009 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Theres another great Tao chapter on exactly what you are saying. We have the chance to experience ten dimensional lives.
I would never take back my three or four trips to Europe, the Caribbean, and all over the country although not enough time on the East Coast.
Different contexts, but in the end the same people if you look for it.
I will never forget looking down an alley in Paris and seeing this slim woman in her coat and scarf carrying home her daily bread. To witness that has got to enhance ones perceptions of some European painters.
Geeeeeeez, there I go again.
Great comments here TPC. A lot to think about.
August 21, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah So. Now you reveal a different notional idea than you conveyed beforehand that broadens the view you has expressed. Which explains my curiosity of how it is you seem to have some very specific knowledge that I didn't think could have been gained except through firsthand experiences. Your experiences with books though, far exceeds mine. I was always too interested to see as much of the world as possible to be intimate with books like you are. Now I understand.
August 21, 2009 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neither is Lao Tzu Buddhist. He is regarded as the greatest Taoist sage. And may be mythical, to boot.
August 20, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite true. Buddhism did not reach China until centuries after the Tao Te Ching was written. Or the I Ching, for that matter.
August 21, 2009 4:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wendy, you often cut yourself down on an intellectual level, your wrong. Your commentary is heartfelt. You add insight that others overlook. You know the lessons that only life can teach. My life brightens with your words. Cut yourself some slack.
August 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not meaning to diss myself, jonnie; i am plenty smart for myself; i used to have a very high IQ before my brain accident, whatever that is worth. (The buddha always said that Sharihotsu, the wisest disciple, was the LAST to attain enlightenment.) (My brain thing is a long story, and not very interesting.) What i was addressing is that i can't understand sometimes are the many different ways people communicate. Each person comes with a different set of icons, metaphors, hero-authors, touchstones, religious or social texts. Many of you seem to be on the same page. I try so hard to learn the ideas that i have missed, or not put on my hard drive. Who's the TPM philosopher in the baseball shirt? The one who is still in the military? I got on his blog, and spent two hours reading, when i should have been doing my chores. And i was so unfamiliar with some of the philosophers, or had forgotten so much after what? 45 years? that it was fascinating and wonderful and frustrating.
I didn't mean to diss YOU, dick, for my not grokking the Tao te ching quote; i just figured i was allowed to say "Nyahhh" for myself. Socrates drove me crazy; he could turn anything around, to get you/me to agree to anything he wanted. And i couldn't sort it all out! I did love Aristophanes; i guess you can guess why the humorist-philosopher stayed with me longest.
It is kind of you, jonnie, to say that my words sometimes brighten your world.
Maybe a propos of nothing, last night i had an odd dream: i needed, or thought i did, to subdue a rattlesnake. I'm not big on snakes; it was wide and flat and green. When i told my husband about it, he asked questions, and i said my first thoughts had to do with the possible healing qualities it signified. As luck, or the goddess, or the buddha would have it, a friend had just sent me a dream book of iconography. Shiver me timbers, there was a section on snakes: green snakes, i am not kidding, meant healing and more...it re-ordered my day. It made me feel that i was once again, possibly, hpefully,on the Wheel of Life again. Which is all i have ever wanted. Peace and love and honor and health and prosperity to you all.
August 20, 2009 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that, you've given me a better understanding of your 'self'. As far as you dissing me goes; nothing written by strangers could show me disrespect, some things written by friends may disappoint, you have done neither.
August 21, 2009 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget Cassandra.
August 20, 2009 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes, I pull out my hair sometimes just thinking of her. hahahahah
August 20, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or Diogenes.
August 20, 2009 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do like Socrates and...a...er...you dont happen to have an extra ten on you do you?
August 20, 2009 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Icarus or Platos' man?
August 20, 2009 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Armey is a direct descendant of the greatest Seer of all times. I know that because their images alternate on the covers of the magazines at the checkout counter at the supermarket. The absolute proof? Armey's NostrumsDamnus
Do I get a prize for that one?
August 20, 2009 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahaha sure Professor
I hereby award you the Knightly Line of the day Award for this here TPMCafe site given to all of you from all of me!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahah
August 20, 2009 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thankee kindly, sir. I shall wear it at the Freshman Convocation Saturday (yes, Saturday).
August 20, 2009 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, I enjoyed reading that. Remember, the hippies are the only ones who have a perfect record of predictions.
August 20, 2009 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahah. Live today. Is that it Tao? ha
August 20, 2009 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would that include a prediction that We Can Be Together?
August 21, 2009 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Grace at 7:30 AM. It is going to be a great day!
August 21, 2009 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great stuff, DDay! And I even learned a thing or two. Thanks for this!
August 20, 2009 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well comin from you sleepin, that means something.
ha. Hope the road is rising to meet ya.
August 20, 2009 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wrote a comment on MantisBot X's blog that I think you would find interesting, regarding "Clown Politics." Have you got time to organize a campaign? lol
August 21, 2009 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anent:1. Cayce Foresees the Stock Market Crash of 1929
2. World War II
3. The Shifting of the Earth's Poles Has Begun (Edgar Cayce prediction from 1936)
4. Convergence of Communications Companies
5. There Was a Community of People Called the Essenes
Maybe not:
#1 Thorstein Veblen The Theory of the Leisure Class 1889
#2 Michel de Nostredame sometime before 1556
#3 Motonori Matuyama On the Direction of Magnetization of Basalt 1929
#4 Thorstein Veblen Absentee Ownership 1923
#5 Josephus Antiquities of the Jews--written sometime before his death in 100 AD
August 20, 2009 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very fine, very fine indeed. Really. This is good.
Now I will cut and paste your comment on word and keep it under Cayce so the next time somebody attempts to shove that down my throat.......
August 20, 2009 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's kind of clever. I don't know much about health issues, but don't tens of thousands of people get the flu every year. Public health experts have said there will be a lot this year (though not a public emergency), so Armey is predicting something that will probably happen, and one obscure blogger will make the connection between nat'l healthcare and the flu season, and then Armey will say 'You see, I knew it, I told you back then they were going to do this.'
I guess he learned from the televangelists who said the world would end in 1990, 2000, 2010, etc.
Dick Armey also once referred to 'Congressman Barney Fag I mean Frank.'
From thereafter whenever my father saw him on TV he would always say 'look it's prick, I mean Dick Armey.'
August 21, 2009 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well Garry, I certainly could get along with your dad. hahahahaha!!!
I forgot about his slur against Barney.
I personally thought at times the world was ending in 1968. Assassinations, bloody war that would never end, a Soviet Union that did not like us very much, Red China a menace we could not even speak with....
Too many times I have heard the 'rapture' is coming. I gave up.
August 21, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink