For What It's Worth
The Tao of heaven is to take from those who have too much
And give to those who do not have enough.
Man's way is different.
He takes from those who do not have enough
To give to those who already have too much.
What man has more than enough and gives it to the world?
Only the man of Tao.
(Tao Te Ching C-77)
Even someone as ill educated, ill slated as a national leader and ill suited for any decent debate can come up with garbage that can actually be translated into real issues. It was certainly accidental since she has no real purpose in life except to make money as fast as possible.
Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin defended her claim that the Democratic health care proposal would create "death panels" and attacked President Obama in a long statement Wednesday night.
Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly, and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system these "unproductive" members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care. [...]
Now this is all a lie of course. But it brings up a real issue concerning the value of human life in general as well as the specific value of a human life.
Before I discuss the opinions of the experts we must admit that we as a society make this value judgment every day.
I never forgot when I was confronted with the fact that although some 58,000 of our soldiers died in a war longer than a full decade; we had been losing that number every year on our highways when our population was half what it is now.
Our fight against those pursuing some theory of 'international communism' made our leaders compute how much a human life was worth.
Those that understood the value of trade and industry in this country made a value judgment concerning annual deaths on our highways.
Hell, the onset of blackberries and cell phones proves that any tech change can result in deaths. All deaths related to these objects had already been put into corporate as well as governmental calculations.
The need to evaluate the economic value of human life is important in various areas of public policy, and arises in the determination of damages in wrongful death and personal injury cases. Here are some highlights of the issues to be considered in determining the economic value of human life. The economic value of human life involves the length of life, and the net economic contribution that a person could be expected to make during his or her lifetime. Both of these areas involve issues that can be established through expert testimony.
Total net economic value involves the life expectancy, the value of the person's earnings and other economic contributions, and the valuation of the present value of a stream of future uncertain monetary amounts. http://www.behan.ws/lifevalue.htm
Actuaries come into play here. Economists also arrive at the scene. Accountants are not that far behind. Medical testimony may come to bear upon these issues. But where might you find a group that includes these experts besides HHS for instance? Why our friendly health insurance companies just as surely as the same group of experts receive salaries from life insurance companies.
Now arriving at this 'human value' is not easy and the... calculation can often be controversial. After 9/11, attorney Kenneth Feinberg had the unenviable job of determining the compensation packages for families of victims based on how much the deceased would have made in their lifetimes. But it's a widely accepted metric for assessing the economic value of a life. Everyday policy decisions also put a price tag on human life. If a city is deciding whether to install a traffic light at a particular intersection, for example, it will weigh the number of lives saved against the cost of installation. Or take something more controversial: the decision to send American troops to Iraq without fully protective armor. It's not that the armor didn't exist, says Uwe Reinhardt of Princeton University. It's that in a cost-benefit analysis, the increased risk of death did not outweigh the increased cost.
There are other ways to calculate a life's worth: Look at how much people get paid to do dangerous jobs like mining or construction. Examine how much people will pay for live-saving treatments like kidney dialysis--it costs about $70,000 a year--and extrapolate. Or simply survey people: How much would they be willing to spend to extend their life by a year
So what is the value of a life? Somewhere around $5 million. It's an extremely general estimate, but it's based on a vast literature of cost-benefit analysis of the various types described above. One study published in 2004 and using labor data from 1997 puts the value of an average life at $4.7 million. Other studies by the same author, Vanderbilt University's Kip Viscusi, put it anywhere from $4 million to $10 million. Estimates based on revealed preference studies, in which Americans analyze costs and benefits in the context of their own lives, put the value of a year of life at between $100,000 and $300,000, according to Peter Neumann of the Tufts Medical Center. http://www.slate.com/id/2224790/pagenum/all/#p2
It is just that something is missing in all of this. I mean supposedly in civil suits, when that uncle you never liked dies in a Viagra experiment where he became conflagrated with a wild goat, you must give the jury some sort of standard, a formula for arriving at the economic loss involved. And since you are the sole surviving relative, hey go for all the gusto you can. So the loss might be presented as a formula:
NFW: Neutralized Funds Worth: Kind of a formula for how much was in the bank at the time of decedent's death plus value of all assets including real and personal property less taxes and other debts due.
FYI: Foreseeable Yearly Income
YES: Years Estimated for Survival: How long might the decedent might have survived based upon testimony concerning dietary habits, danger of his occupation, previous illnesses, handicaps ...
URA: Unpredictable Rates of Approximation: What might have happened to diminishe the final figures like earthquakes or floods or increases in cable rates.
COLON: Cost of Living Ordinarily Needed: How much would the decedent have spent over the years, from the date of actual death through the estimated time of death.
This is otherwise known as the Plaintiff's equation:
NFW; FYI, YES URA COLON
But these types of formulas fail to grasp some other variables, some really not that tangible as well as those that are extremely tangible. A great philosopher once said:
The Vice-Presidency is not worth a bucket of piss.
If he had only said: There will one day be a Vice-President who will not be worth a bucket of piss; thereby predicting a dick cheney.
But is it really true that dick cheney is worth a bucket of piss.
One might calculate his current value based upon NFW; FYI, YES URA COLON.
Fine, but the figure you are left with, must undergo further reductions.
I mean if you take my NFW; FYI, YES URA COLON you would end up with a figure based upon estimated inflation rates and such of about minus fifty thousand dollars.
But dick cheney's NFW; FYI, YES URA COLON would equal about two billion dollars if you count all the off shore accounts and corporate shares etc...
We should deduct from this other variables:
Failures of leadership resulting in needless economic loss to the country.
Unreasonable transgressions against Humankind
Knowing lies leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people
Unforgivable destruction of democratically derived rights
So the new formula would look something like this:
NFW; FYI, YES URA COLON - FUK U
Or
$2,000,000,000 less $1,000,000,000,000
So dick cheney is really 'worth' about negative Nine Hundred Ninety-Eight Billion Dollars.
Worth is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.
















brilliant!!!
August 14, 2009 3:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Gregor. We cannot have the economic experts of the rich tell us how much the rich are worth. hahahah
August 14, 2009 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
That really is brilliant Dick. You must have taken your vitamins this morning.
August 14, 2009 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Mark. Thank you very much. Coming from you, really means something.
August 14, 2009 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have read and recommended this your most recent post because I find it both insightful and provocative. I have reread it several times and I think I understand your point in all its subtlety and its many implications. Just to be sure however let me ask you if I have it right. What you are saying is that, were the U.S. one of those civilizations given to monumentalism like some of the ancient Egyptian dynasties for example, it would be most appropriate that we build as a monument to Richard Cheney a great hole, a pit as deep and wide perhaps as the pyramid of Khufu is wide and tall. Such a void with its gaping maw over seven hundred feet on a side would remind all who see it of the worth of this very special man’s life. Once constructed and consecrated to its purpose, what man could look again at any hole, be it a pot hole in the road or a sewer grating on a street corner, and not think of this most memorable personage.
Have I correctly taken your meaning?
August 14, 2009 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...it would be most appropriate that we build as a monument to Richard Cheney a great hole, a pit as deep and wide perhaps as the pyramid of Khufu is wide and tall."
Yes, But not as well put as your small paragraph.
I just got that tingle up my back (Chris gets it up his leg) reading this....jeeeeeez
You know you gotta do an entire blog on this Larry. No kidding. You gotta have a suburban couple visiting DC to see Lincoln, the Washington Monument & the Cheney Gap.....
If you do not do it in a week or so I will.
WHAT A CONCEPT. I have these thoughts. History Channel did a little documentary that ended up contrasting a statue of John Marshall and a statue of Justice Taney. The statue dedicated to the writer of the Dred Scott decision just sat in some graveyard, rusty, unkept.
But this idea. Wow.
August 14, 2009 4:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Give the Republicans a few years, and they'll present a bill renaming the Grand Canyon.
Like they idolized Reagan.
August 14, 2009 4:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought of that sort of...but you did it better. hahahaha. I think Larry is saying it has to be man made. hahahaha
August 14, 2009 4:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well my idea certainly qualifies as a "shovel ready" project.
I am thinking of a more interactive form of memorial: visitors hike to the bottom of the pit where they could purchase a souvenir trowel and ceremoniously dig out a scoop of simulated rubble.
August 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, let me take a stab here, Larry. But I'm gonna put together dd's theory, your theory, and what I somehow understand from the Fundies as the reason for the Grand Canyon. And that leads me to the theory that God willed the Grand Canyon as a monument to cheney's negative worth! As a reminder to all of us of how the Almighty foretells the future. And writes that foretold future upon the landscape for all of us to READ.
Thus I provide this link:
http://images.google.com/images?q=Grand%20Canyon&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
Which should bring you to a google page, wherein you can peruse the "writing on the wall" - so to speak (as dd would say) - and heed the warning this monument should have provided! A warning - created upon the earth (well... we won't say how long as the Fundies would debate that) as something like the "mark of Cain" -
Call it the Grand Cheney! Or maybe A Dick's Canyon!
But there it is! Your theory written upon the land. Forever! (or as near as we can imagine)
Power gone really, really, really, really wrong!
August 14, 2009 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
So in theory if you take that bucket of piss,oops sorry, if you take Dick Cheney and spread him over the face of the earth as thin as you could possibly spread him, he would be the shape of the Grand Canyon or am I missing something?
August 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forgive me, Resistance. I failed to note your comment above - already foretelling mine below yours!
The fundies should truly heed the word here today!
August 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
In keeping with traditional heroic memorials and President Cheney's role as Commander in Chief-- oh yeah, that's right he was really just V.P. (wink). Well, as a tribute to his brave service in Vietnam-- anyway, perhaps we can erect a statue of Cheney in the heat of battle shooting that enemy lawyer in the face. At the base we could capture his great debating skills and fiery oratory with a caption of his famous retort to Senator Leahy, "F*ck Off!"
Nevermind. He'd probably love it.
August 14, 2009 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So if the value of a life is about $5 million, why would my health insurance pay much less in "the event of death"? I mean, I have had some fun times but it does not work out even at a 1.5 lived-life fun ratio to complete expected life span.
Well, For What It's Worth.
August 14, 2009 4:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
First I thought it was Domingo. hahaahaha
What I cannot figure out is why the hell can't I like borrow a million from a bank and put myself up for collateral?
August 14, 2009 4:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
During the mortgage crisis, I thought the same idea. Let me borrow from the Social Security trust fund @ 4%
I’d pay off my mortgage to the bank helping them directly, instead of me paying through higher taxes. I could repay myself, putting the money back into the Social Security Trust. The collateral owned by the US Government backing my Trust account would be my home and future earnings and if that wasn't enough I could purchase a Life Insurance policy.
Behooving the Government to keep me alive and well, in order to pay back the debt.
No more wars, better healthcare system to assure repayment.
August 14, 2009 5:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Resistance, I really like your idea better. Screw banks, we have a fund ready to go.
August 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can put yourself up as collateral,people do it all the time when they borrow money from the mafia. Politicians do it all the time when they take (borrow)money from the lobbyist's. Both lenders come round for their payment regular and give you a tune up if yer late.
August 14, 2009 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG DD FTW!
URAMZNG OMGWTFROFLCOPTERFFSBBQKTHXBAI
August 14, 2009 7:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Frizzie, you have been tweetering tooooooooooooo much. hahahahahha
August 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The value of this blog - Priceless!...
August 14, 2009 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Steve...I always despised the ability of the rich to prove how much money they were 'worth'.
August 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember a reprinted piece in our local paper a number of years ago about some agency (can't say which one, sorry) having completed a study of deaths from auto accidents where cell phone use was either THE cause or an underlying cause. Their conclusion was that the cost analysis of those deaths was far smaller than the PROFIT OF THE DEAL-MAKING THE CALLS CREATED. Well, jesus, mary and joseph, how could anyone guess what deals were being made on the cell phones; did they assume anyone who had a cell back then was some big-kahuna cog in the production of GDP?
It, of course, led to the conclusion that outlawing cell use while driving would be a major mistake financially. Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhh!
So thought-provoking, Dick.
Also consider the amount of money our government has given the families in Iraq for the "accidental, collateral damage-deaths" of civilians; Blackwater, too, in some instances. It's pretty apparent no one calculated those lives to have been worth very much at all. "Take the thousand, and bugger off."
August 14, 2009 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
It sounds like I am some conspiracy nut but even paranoids have enemies and.......
Well Wendy, C'est La Vie!!!!
August 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Dick, "C'est la guerre!"
August 14, 2009 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Dick. You never fail to make me smile. Actually, grin ear-to-ear in an altogether suspiciously crazy way. And I have high expectations you will continue to do so.
August 14, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
As long as I get reactions like this one...hahaha
Thank you TPC, Always there to support me one way or the other.
August 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rec'ed for the Lao Tzu, enjoyed for the cleverness.
You've outdone yourself on this one, DD.
August 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Grouch. I Always am 'working' on some old book around here. I began rearranging things here and found my old Tao--thirty five years young.
August 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
dd,
Superb!
I read some ages ago, that there is a small tribal community in a remote village who uses dung chips as their monetary equivalent. Something to do with the richest being the best fed and well, you know.
Point being, that even there - Cheney still wouldn't even be worth a pile of dung!
August 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahaha. Auntie you have the nicest punch lines at times...
August 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, yesterday, as thou knowest, I pronounced you a Taoist sage. And today thou has located the very wisdom - which totally explains everything that's gone wrong here!
I'm gonna be really careful about swearing in your presence. Because look what it unleashed! Likely it will continue bearing fruit for some time....
I bow before you, oh great sage!
August 14, 2009 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah the irony of a lawyer who becomes a Taoist sage. I have found that you do not have swear at DD in order to get him to unleash, “bearing fruit” as you say. You merely have to say “Hi Dick” and he is off and running. Surely he is the most hyperactive Taoist sage in the history of philosophy.
August 14, 2009 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't really swear "at" him.... just swore my amazement "of" him!
DD laughed! As the sage he is...
Yes, a lawyer Taoist is indeed the height of irony! But the Tao is deep and wide and admiteth only the lowliest I suspect. It is his lowliness that brought him to the seat of wisdom.
August 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK well he was already seated. I’m quite sure of that. The sagacity is more recent. But let me end this meditation with a moment of zen: Imagine a caffeine rich beverage from Starbucks, the Chai Day Tea Latte, just right for lowest of the low or the Taoist on the go.”
August 14, 2009 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
As i said above somewhere, I was upset about the squalor around here. So I threw some things out and rearranged and found my old Tao, decades old. I am always reading from seven or eight books at one time. I opened it up and there was Chapter 77...
I was not going to let that go!!! hahahaha
August 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Tao provides....
August 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only problem with your essay is 'Dick Cheney IS a bucket of piss'.
August 14, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Buckets of piss worldwide feel demeaned by that comparison.
August 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's laugh out loud funny!
August 14, 2009 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahhaha. Okie dokie Jonnie...hhahhah
August 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without universal healthcare, do we get a social
discount on that human worth rate?
FEE: What is the value of prophetic language?
A Whole in One for your Grand Canon, DD!
August 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
ooooh.... well done, strato! ;0
August 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't that sweet? Strato you have a tao with words. ha!!!
August 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
But I take your words most seriously DD. Please light a candle for the sick and injured. They could be in surgery right at this very moment. Thanks so much.
August 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The candle is lit!!!!
The prayer is said.
August 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a keeper.
August 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure according to the experts that I am a keeper. But Thanks so much forty-niner.
August 14, 2009 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the experts decided not to keep you because they worried about your influence on the other inmates. I believe there may have even been a movie made about this.
August 14, 2009 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Extra nice work dickday, your value just increased with this blog.
According to Soundmedicine : When broken down into fluids, tissues
and germ fighting our bodies are worth more than $45 million.This price tag on the human body is based on a survey published in Wired magazine. It found that vital organs are no longer the most valuable body parts. Rather, bone marrow heads the list…priced at $23 million, based on 1,000 grams at $23,000 per gram.DNA can fetch $9.7 million, while extracting antibodies can bring $7.3 million. A lung is worth$116,400, a kidney $91,400 and a heart $57,000.
Women’s eggs are costlier than men's sperm. The survey found that a fertile woman could sell 32 egg cells over eight years for $224,000; however, for a man to earn the same amount, he would have to make 12 sperm donations a month for 20 years.
The prices are based on cost estimates taken from hospitals and insurance companies, and are based on projected prices only in the United States. Of course, the prices also assume that all these substances can be extracted from living tissue for sale.
You just have to farm yourself out, figure out what to keep and what to sell. This doesnt even take into account the value of the blogs that have come from your mind, so for the rest of our sakes, I suggest you not sell everything,but keep the brain and at least one hand for typing these blogs for us.Cause even if you get filthy rich off of your vital stuff, money cant buy you love.
August 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose nobody really wants a 60 year old kidney. hahaahhaa.
My sperm donations have not been 'accepted' for thirty years. I still make them of course. hahahah
August 14, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahaha you rascal! I dont know about that, if the kidney you got quits on you, a 60 year old clunker kidney for cash sounds pretty good even if it's coffee stained, considering the alternative.
August 14, 2009 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know someone who lived as is described in your first Tao paragraphs. He was accused of trying to accomplish social engineering when he tried to advocate for more equitable health care benefits and coverage in union negotiations. And that was a decade ago when things were not such a mess.
August 14, 2009 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flo, they are starting to bring out the old commie
language again. This is nuts.........
August 14, 2009 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT, but when our “death panels” don their black hooded cloaks and take up their scythes in foreign lands, they have to take other factors into the equation (like the towel-head corollary or the Islamofascist algebraic theorem).
In Iraq the US military pays out wrongful death sums but they are usually deemed “condolence” payments because they’re not admissions of guilt (we’re just nice guys). It’s often about $500 or $600 ($2500 max) for each Iraqi killed. If litigated as an intentional wrongful death, it might be $3- $5,000. Of course their have been tens of thousands of claims. In Afghanistan wrongful deaths by US forces are compensated through the Afghan government (again no admission of guilt) at about $200 per Afghani.
August 15, 2009 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is the type of tort reform Don the repubs are looking for in this country.
oooops, doctor cut your femoral artery, mommie's dead. 750 bucks to the kids along with all the food stamps you need.
This is just frickin sick...........
August 15, 2009 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I've been dealing with something along those lines. I should have also put down the poor and uninsured, as you allude to, having a separate set of tables (a sliding scale from very little to nothing).
August 15, 2009 3:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is one of your best, dd.
Can we make it a rule, like Bill Maher does, that anyone who believes Obama was born in Kenya automatically goes in the hole? Either the money hole or the hole Larry carved out with pyramids. Ditto for those who blather about death panels. Double ditto if the person's name is Sarah Palin or Newt anything.
For those in Larry's hole, they have to lay next to Cheney and perform CPR on him for the next 956 years.
Anyone else you can think of for either the money hole or Larry's pyramid hole?
Shall we try to talk this weekend?
August 15, 2009 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yes we shall commiserate on the weekend. But I never thought of actually attempting some functionality for Larry's monument.
Since we are on the subject...Larry's comment really made me get up and catch my breath. The guy is soooooooo funny. hahahaah
August 15, 2009 1:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't get any ideas about starting another fund raiser. I am not going to take charge of the Cheney Chasm Memorial and risk being condemned by god to be like some grail guard for seven hundred years, even if I am the bravest and most worthy among us in my mind's eye. I mean even Hostess Twinkies don't last that long and I hate vegetables.
August 15, 2009 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink