OATHS
July 7, 2007
So I am sitting home watching the hearings on CSPAN. It is two years ago, almost to the day. I had no internet or even a computer that worked. So, it was my only entertainment at the time besides NYT crosswords I copied at the library and my books. Besides, the good guys had taken over Congress again, and I had been looking forward to some real ass kicking.
The 2006 elections were like Christmas to me as a child. I mean, there would be presents every day for the next year. So I would settle down to a good day of hearings.
Next up, Sara Taylor: Sara Marie Taylor (born September 15, 1974 in Dubuque, Iowa) was Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Political Affairs at the White House, making her one of George W. Bush's top political aides until her resignation in 2007. She reported directly to Karl Rove.
I remember watching Senator Leahy discussing things with Sara Taylor at one of those hearings. Sara said something and I stood up, losing the crossword, the book and my coffee from my lap, along with my composure. (Not that anyone was watching my composure anyway) Did I hear this right?
Sara Taylor had said that she had taken an oath to her President of the United States quite seriously.
Leahy: And then you said, I took an oath to the President, and I take that oath very seriously. Did you mean, perhaps, you took an oath to the Constitution?
Taylor: Uh, I, uh, yes, you're correct, I took an oath to the Constitution. Uh, but, what--
Leahy: Did you take a second oath to the President?
Taylor: I did not. I--
Leahy: So the answer was incorrect.
Taylor: The answer was incorrect. What I should have said is that, I took an oath, I took that oath seriously. And I believe that taking that oath means that I need to respect, and do respect, my service to the President.
Leahy: No, the oath says that you take an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States. That is your paramount duty. I know that the President refers to the government being his government -- it's not. It's the government of the people of America. Your oath is not to uphold the President, nor is mine to uphold the Senate. My oath, like your oath, is to uphold the Constitution.
And TPM was right there and you can see this idiot lose all face in her confrontation with Leahy right here. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003656.php
LOYALTY OATH. The reason these words ring so much for me, is that I recall when I first began hearing about them. When George Bush first took office. If w or cheney were going to speak in front of some audience, you could not get into the auditorium unless you took a loyalty oath. You were screened so that 'they' had the opportunity to discover if you were the kind of person 'they' wanted to witness the grandeur of their presence.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, I had never heard of this in my life. But I digress...
Monica Goodling was a lot of fun to listen to during her cross examinations:
MS. GOODLING: I chose them because I had a faith system, and in some cases -- I went to American University for my first year of law school and then I transferred. And I enjoyed studying with people that shared the similar belief system that I did. It didn't mean that there wasn't a lot of diversity of discussion, because in some cases I actually found that the debate at Regent was much more vigorous than it was at American University my first year of law school. But I enjoyed being surrounded by people that had the same belief system.31
REP. COHEN: The mission of the law school you attended, Regent, is to bring bear -- "is to bring to bear upon legal education and the legal profession the will of Almighty God, our Creator." What is "the will of Almighty God, our Creator" on the legal profession?31
Earlier Ms. Goodling had been cross examined by Representative Jackson Lee:
I noticed that you were described as a loyal person or with extreme loyalty or deep loyalty to the president, President Bush. And certainly we welcome young people into this system of government, of public service, as you've indicated. But you might have been better served if you were loyal to the American people, and I give you counsel whether you're willing to accept it or not. You have been described by Bruce Fein, a former senior Justice official during the Reagan administration, both you and Mr. Goodling -- excuse me, you and Mr. Sampson, that you knew politics and not the law. And I think that's the challenge that we face here today.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/us/24mfulltext.html p24
So we have loyalty oaths to God, to our religion and to our president. After those oaths are taken, well we are on our way.
Jason Linkins at Huffpo caught this gem from rover:
ROVE: This White House has carried prepackaged, organized, controlled, scripted events to a new height, and they're getting away with things that in any previous White House, the media would have eviscerated the press secretary and the White House for it.
Rover is referring to the town meeting Our President just attended regarding health care. Rover. The king of loyalty oaths. Nobody and I mean nobody, had carried a more prepackaged, organized, controlled and scripted event than w. and it was all set up by rover.
Linkins just picks a few examples of prepackaging in w's administration:
- In April 2005,
Bush's security detail threw three people out of an event in Colorado, citing a bumper sticker on their car that
read "No More Blood For Oil." White House spokesman Trent Duffy said
that if there's any evidence people might "disrupt the president,"
they "have the right to exclude those people from those events.
- In early 2005, North Dakota residents were refused entry to a Bush event after their names appeared on a "blacklist" of people banned from the event.
- In March 2005, people seeking tickets to a Social Security event were quizzed about their support of Bush and his Social Security plan ahead of time.
Boston.Com reported on Aug 9, 2004 that -- A Republican National Committee practice of having people sign a form endorsing President Bush or pledging to vote for him in November before being issued tickets for RNC-sponsored rallies is raising concern among voters.
When Vice President Dick Cheney spoke July 31 to a crowd of 2,000 in Rio Rancho, a city of 45,000 near Albuquerque, several people who showed up at the event complained about being asked to sign endorsement forms in order to receive a ticket to hear Cheney.
''Whose vice president is he?" said 72-year-old retiree John Wade of Albuquerque, who was asked to sign the form when he picked up his tickets. ''I just wanted to hear what my vice president had to say, and they make me sign a loyalty oath."
''They want to make sure people can hear the president and vice president's vision for the next four years," he said. ''There are thousands of volunteers who sacrifice and work hard on the campaign and who deserve to see and hear their president without being disrupted and disrespected."
Dana Milbank at WashPo (2004-8/1) added this gem:
The Albuquerque Journal reported on Friday that people seeking tickets to the Cheney event who could not be identified as GOP partisans -- contributors or volunteers -- were told they could not receive tickets unless they signed an endorsement form saying "I, (full name) . . . do herby (sic) endorse George W. Bush for reelection of the United States." The form warns that signers "are consenting to use and release of your name by Bush-Cheney as an endorser of President Bush."
The paper quoted a Republican official saying a "Democrat operative group" was trying to infiltrate the limited-seating event -- although the party apparently turned away uncommitted voters who simply wanted to hear Cheney speak. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31019-2004Jul31.html
Extenz at Dayly Kos showed us how much w respected our men and women in
uniform, citing this loyalty form you had to fill out in order to have
Thanksgiving Dinner with w in 2004:
What did you think about President Bush's Thanksgiving visit to Iraq?
I was there when President Bush came to the [Baghdad] airport. The day before, you had to fill out a questionnaire and answer questions, that would determine whether they would allow you in the room with the President.
What was on the questionnaire?
"Do you support the president?"
Really!
Yes.
Members of the military were asked whether they support the president politically?
Yes. And if the answer was not a gung-ho, A-1, 100 percent yes, then you were not allowed into the cafeteria. You were not allowed to eat the Thanksgiving meal that day. You had an MRE. . http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/15/145147/184
Friday, Oct. 29, 2004,
at 1:44 AM ET Slate--Chris Suellentrop gave us even
a better example of oaths:
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla.--"I want you to stand, raise your right hands," and recite "the Bush Pledge," said Florida state Sen. Ken Pruitt. The assembled mass of about 2,000 in this Treasure Coast town about an hour north of West Palm Beach dutifully rose, arms aloft, and repeated after Pruitt: "I care about freedom and liberty. I care about my family. I care about my country. Because I care, I promise to work hard to re-elect, re-elect George W. Bush as president of the United States."
I know the Bush-Cheney campaign occasionally requires the people who attend its events to sign loyalty oaths, but this was the first time I have ever seen an audience actually stand and utter one. Maybe they've replaced the written oath with a verbal one. http://www.slate.com/id/2108852 (Oh and a certain Mark Foley figures in this article back in 04 and it is hilarious)
If you wanted a job in the DOJ or any other Federal agency, you had to take a number of oaths. You had to be for w, for repubs, against abortion, for guns, for biblical literalists.....
At least we do not have to pledge allegiance to our elected officials
anymore before we can attend their functions.
















And we condemned Chairman Mao for building a "cult of personality" during his time in China.
And many, many more.
And "Tailgunner Joe" and his commie-crusades...
Loyalty to the country? Yes, it's my home. Loyalty to any one person? Not unless they a blood relation. And there are a few of those I have some doubts about, too!
July 3, 2009 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah this Buzzbeat web site I ran into, that I omitted because of sources...it compared the loyalty oaths to the same oaths you were expected to recite toward the dictator of North Korea. ha!
Grouch, I do not know how many people are interested in looking back a couple years or over eight years..
And rover lies everyday, pursing his lips and filling his purse from the coffers of repubs with no consequences whatsoever. So who cares anymore?
I try to put it in a context. Hopefully, in our new alignment, so to speak, the President of the United States is not telling the DOJ how to do its job.
July 3, 2009 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, no worries, Americans are pretty ahistorical. Most of them.us don't want to look back two weeks.
July 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dick it is necessary to look back over this stuff. And we have you to thank for pointing us to the view. Dick, why not a book? And what are we in for now that Alaska is safer?
July 3, 2009 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Loosey. hahhahaahha.
Sure I can write a book. I got about 800 pages on line so far. ahahahahahahah
You a good cartoonist? We could do Arthur. You can have half of net. ha.
Or we could just collect about fifty blogs of mine and, with drawings, do a book on how to blog. ha
But we have to sell it. And without Palin's endorsement.
July 4, 2009 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is a whole litany of other oaths I just uttered (or muttered) while reading this...
July 3, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahha!!!! CL, ok, I must hereby render unto you the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here site given to all of you from all of me. hahahaha
Even if it is a partial........
July 3, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
A well deserved award from DDay! Too perfect,CL.
July 3, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
IT WAS WAS IT NOT!!!!HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
July 3, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dick: I was not aware of this loyalty oath business to attend a speech, but it adds clarity to something I did witness.
In Miami, right before the 2000 election, Gore was scheduled to speak on South Beach. I bought tickets via contributions, as did many of my friends. With tickets in hand, we approached the beach entrance to the event.
Despite waving our tickets, we were turned away by a covey of police and state troopers, who announced that the event was already "full." We could see with our own eyes that the bleachers were sparsely filled, and therefore argued that with tickets, we should be allowed in. At that point, any pretense of civility was dropped and we were ordered to leave.
On the news late that night, the MSM story was that support for Gore was obviously tepid in south Florida, as the camera panned the nearly empty bleachers.
So my question is this: how many of the local Miami police and Florida state troopers had taken the sort of loyalty pledge you mention -- to support George Bush -- even before he was nominally elected? Oaths perhaps proffered by brother Jeb's representatives?
Thank you for this post. And thank you, DD, for spending your time, experience, insight and analysis with us, here at TPM.
July 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing story. Anyone get on this back then? (I never heard a bit of it.)
July 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one noted or did anything about this that I know of, OG. Because at the time, it was merely perplexing, as no one I knew even contemplated the idea that it was actually a plan -- we discussed the possibility, after the fact, but concluded that our suspicions were entirely too paranoid. That was also true, a few days later, when we confronted the confusing ballot in the voting booth and, after careful study of the confusing graphics, voted for Gore....but maybe, given the weird alignment, we actually voted for F*ing Buchanan.
Although I personally did not mark these disturbing events in a calendar, I am sure that they could be resurrected as a visual testimony. Because the date of Gore's aborted rally is on record, and the cast of hundreds -- maybe thousands -- turned away surely includes those who took pictures or videos of what happened. The chad problem is already documented.
But it's chilling to recall. The thin edge of the wedge, before we knew there was one. The sad trust we had in a logical explanation, even when there wasn't one. Our belief, as Americans, that THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN HERE.
Sadder, but wiser, now.
My friends and I?
July 3, 2009 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
All while his brother was governor. Florida troopers and sheriffs are GOB, Good Old Boys, so they think nothing of anyone else's freedom of speech unless it matches theirs.
July 4, 2009 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, perfect logic. Belle, there was so much chicanery in the 2000 election, all run by rove. Remember his first 'job' was working for Donald Segretti...no kidding.
ha.
NO CONSEQUENCES. This really bothers me and I never ever heard of it, just like Grouch relates.
July 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush did a lot of this kind of stuff and it was widely written about. It began when Bush was going around trying to sell his transformation of social security by moving it into the private sector.
You are the first person I've heard convey a first hand experience. This one is especially bad because it was during the election. And worse still because they enlisted law enforcement to do their bidding. I wonder how many laws were truly broken in this instance. It would be a very long list. Very serious ones too. Had to involve a lot of people. Bell you need to be sure that is in your journal or diary or whatever and in detail. Date time etc etc. Historically very important.
July 3, 2009 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only that they enlisted law enforcement, but that law enforcement played along. Sounds like San Diego.
July 3, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
More importantly, what was Clinton doing about this? He was President. Did he not know his VP was getting the bum's Rush? Or even Gore himself?
July 4, 2009 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is a good question and fair question. The apparent answer is yes. The FBI has jurisdiction for that so it falls under Clinton. Which gives rise to the real and proper question. Does the FBI have the resources to cover all the political venues and keep a close eye out for possible infractions? I think we know the answer to that question. And where it leaves us. Screwed.
July 4, 2009 7:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you can remember the name of the officer that would be great.
July 3, 2009 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a *very* serious charge, of course...Wow...
July 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, GW is the only president during my lifetime that I considered to be a tyrant along with his crew. The way that his regime operated and 'all' of the variety of ways that they damaged our country needs to undergo serious scrutiny.
I can't believe the Inspector General's report that was supposed to have been released is being delayed 2 more months. For what purpose? To protect soldiers from outrage and from more enemies being recruited against us?
I say rip the bandage off fast and get the pain overwith instead of drawing it out...staggering it along.
It is simply disgusting what the Bush Adminstration did to this country and has so far gotten away with ...completely.
July 3, 2009 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say rip the bandage off fast and get the pain overwith instead of drawing it out...staggering it along.
I do not know how anybody, ANYBODY, can disagree with this statement Sync.
If there were ten categories of felonies committed by w's administration, let us seek out the evidence and LET THE INDICTMENTS BE LEVELED AGAINST THOSE RESPONSIBLE.
GODDAMN, I AM SICK OF THIS. (blesses himself, kind of.)
I became very angry going over this old ground. ha!!! 32 pages in NYT--its linked up there--I spent 7 hours on this. Ha!!!
It heartens me that people still care.
July 3, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Modern political observers are akin to fans of Kabuki theater, in that what makes it through the smokescreen to the popular press has all ready been bent and twisted by those controlling access. One needs to read more than a few levels deeper to meaningfully interpret any of what is actually being reported in the press. Rove and Bush certainly took this to new levels, and unfortunately were successful in controlling the 'message'. That success was not overlooked by any politician regardless of political stripe, and certainly not Obama. Some here will defend the president's effort to control the questions at the press conference. To me it is just a continuation of the previous administrations' effort to control the message, and like Bush's actions before, makes a mockery of a supposedly free press. Then again, with the corporate agendas subtitling the press's news coverage, we can add those layers to the interpretive skills required to meaningfully assess political news.
My point is that this is no longer strictly a Republican activity if it ever was, although the Rs certainly took it to unprecedented levels.
July 3, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I would stress the repub angle to this Miguel. But you already know I am a left wing nut.
But to just say that the repubs took this to extremes.....I would demur
ON THE OTHER HAND WHY ARE NOT INDICTMENTS FORTHCOMING?
Ha!!!!!!!!
July 3, 2009 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would take to the end of the century to litigate all the stuff, were everything to be known, that occurred from the 2000 campaign to present. We'd have to build new jails just to house all the inmates. A fair percentage of political Washington would be behind bars.
July 3, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
TPC, we could release 500,000 inmates today. And not cause our society any harm. No risk of harm whatsoever.
But to let these animals go free, and make money and smile and spout their lies....
I see dickyc's face as I write this. Smug.
When these bastards get in power again, they will do it again. The precedent is set!!!
Damn this makes me mad.
July 3, 2009 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your're right DD. I was on a rant around here someplace today and made a similar reflection where all the bad actors from Nixons day were resurrected to serve under Bush. Cheney and Rumsfeld the two most notable.
July 3, 2009 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is gold, Mr. Day.
Of especial interest to me was the Thanksgiving dinner with w in 2004.
We must never forget this stuff, dd. It must be told again and again so that our descendants do not let it happen to them. This information must be easily retrievable, too.
It just occured to me that you may be the chronicler of our time, my friend. Perhaps one of a chosen few of our time. Does it feel like a fit?
July 3, 2009 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never feel that I fit anywhere, most of the time Flower. ha!!!!!
I sure have a good time in our little club though. I would not give it up for nothin'. ha!!!
That Thanksgiving Dinner, really gave me pause. I mean, WTF as they say. You are 19, you have come from nothing, and YEAH YOU HAVE REALLY CLOSELY HELD BELIEFS AND SO YOU WILL WALK AWAY FROM A CHANCE TO SAY YOU HAD DINNER WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
Oh God, I hate those people--w and his ilk that is.
July 3, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tremendous post DD. So much to swallow for this ex-conservative but just more proof I am in good company here at TPM.
Agree with Flower that you make the perfect keeper of the facts as you know them - keep up the good work of making these things known to us all.
I can see Cheney's (can no longer refer to him as Dick as it dishonors your name) with that smug look also - makes me ill - never had a dart board but I may take up the sport just to toss pointy objects at his picture.......
July 3, 2009 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahhahahaha!!! Stick with us Maggie. We all need forgiveness
I am most impressed by those who would reconnect with remembrances of things past.
The sins are there for all of us to see nowadays. There is nothing hidden. Not truly hidden. Not anymore.
I spend a lot of time, cause I have nothing else to do, looking at tv dramas. I mean they are free.
We have videos of what these people have said, what they contended.
And we know they were WRONG. And we know they were LYING.
It is not like two guys went into an empty room, and one returned alive.
I mean we have the videos.
Maggie, I get so damn mad...........
But not as mad as I used to get without my friends. ha!!!!!!
July 3, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
%#^^&^&(%^&^%$#$@%&^*&%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 3, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see that you are kind of on the same wave length as our friend CL. hahahhaahahhahaha!!!!!
ack ack ack
July 3, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, you know I share your rage. I am furious about what the Bush Regime did to this country. What irritates me the most and concerns me the most is that in 8 years a generation grew up knowing nothing else. We HAVE to expose the damage this did to real democracy. It's one thing to go after the guys in Gitmo for torturing their captives, but it's another to go after the people who tortured this country and made us all captives of a corrupt, fascist regime.
Keep on chronicling. Maybe Maureen Dowd will put it in the NYTimes and claim it her own, or some other reporter will drop in and pull the threads you leave here for any to explore. It's clear you do not wish for credit. No worries, Maureen will be happy to take all the credit.
As long as we are remebering the good old days, what about those cameramen taking pictures of people outside these events? That was more KGB, then USA, for sure. It is time to expose these fascist subversives for who they are. These are NOT the ideals on which this country was founded.
July 4, 2009 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
HAHHAHAHAH. Gregor you have me laughin but I need you
I mean right now. I mean really. We have lost TheraP and it is because of fascists.
Please, Please, answer my plea:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/jan_tessier/2009/07/terrible-choices.php#comment-3517512
This CMN or Lalo has attacked a fine lady in distress.
I wish you to attack the infidels.
You are goooooooooood at this Gregor.
It is in your bloood. ha!!!!
July 4, 2009 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was out of the house most of the day. DANG! That looked like a fun fight! I mean, that guy is completely delusional and suffers from a bad case of ego overload. "I'm right, you're wrong." What kind a mach speed maturbation do you have to perform to convince yourself you KNOW you are right?!?!
July 4, 2009 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pointing this out is irrelevant; anyone that follows either their country or fellow man without question is an idiot, and deserves everything he gets.
July 4, 2009 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, the republican scumbags do not deserve their millions in blood money.
July 4, 2009 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure I quite get the point, DDay. As best I can tell, such precautions taken ahead of time can keep these events and rallies all
nice and orderly. That's a good thing, no?
July 4, 2009 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what could go wrong with nice and orderly as it were? Ha
July 4, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
dd,
Care to engage in a wager that Jeb will be a presidential candidate?
Great post! Appreciate.
July 4, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well done, dd! Very well done!
Peace be with you, my friend.
(And I think I may have somewhat improved the commenting at my blog now.... There was another option that may be more helpful in averting comments disappearing into the ether...._
July 4, 2009 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Dickday for the fine post.What good are oaths to the untruthful and insincere anyway? I mean GW Bush raised his hand and swore an oath to us didn't he when he was sworn in, did that turn out to be truthful and sincere, did he keep his oath? Same for Cheney,what good is an oath from an oaf is my point? These guys who totally disregard promises of loyalty sure but a lot of credence in the thought that pledging loyalty is equal to loyalty.I think not.
July 4, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is right DonDi. They loved to take oaths. And spent eight long years breaking them
July 4, 2009 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Day!
This was just excellent, and I followed the links around and really enjoyed myself and learned. No lie.
A CONFESSION: *Overreach THIS! hangs his head down low...* I have found it disheartening in trying to follow you, that economy of language is not seemingly something you enslave yourself to. And this post was like that for me and I when I see it, I'm like, Oh Jiminy, how long is this thing?
But by the time I got to the end it seemed to me very short and I wished there'd been more. So thanks a lot! These are very important issues for the Republic by the way, you're speaking here of nothing less than creeping fascism. Bush-Cheney is an astonishing chapter in our history and anyone who looks at my profile can see that my party affiliation recognizes that. It is important that we don't forget what happened. Thanks for pitching in on that! :)
July 4, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey OT, thank you very much for the kudos. Ha. No I end up with longer posts and economy of language is not my strong suit.
and I still like quotes. It is fun to parse them, play with them instead of just linking.
July 4, 2009 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink