THE TRULY ANCIENT ONES
We really know so little about the ancients. I mean the real
ancients.
You will oft times hear of the 'missing link'. That is so 19th
century. Silly really.
I mean Homo Erectus arose, so to speak, amidst several
simians 1.8 million years ago. He then discovered fire. He dug a hole, laid
some rocks in it, and made fire. Hearth & Home eight hundred thousand years
ago. Then he/she took off out of Africa and settled in Europe,
Indonesia, China....
At least that is the story line of Western Anthropologists and has been so for
well over fifty years of research.
The Homo Erectus of 1.8 Million years ago was different from
Homo Erectus eight hundred thousand years ago.
And it certainly is agreed that he/she were floating upon the waters way
back when in some sort of fashioned craft. Traveling thousands of miles on land
and on sea--by island hopping as other mammals have.
Anthropologists have great difficulty agreeing on whether
Homo Erectus in Asia just morphed into the Asian or if
200,000 years ago or 100,000 years ago, Homo Sapiens Sapiens (because many feel
HE was part and parcel Homo Sapiens with smaller brains) came once again out of
Africa and traversed the world.
Regardless, as I have attempted to point out in earlier blogs, forty thousand years ago SOMETHING HAPPENED. There was a giant leap forward. If there is indeed a god, he/she/it reached down and touch a few 'humans' and they changed forever. Magically.
When I become bored with the hum-drum news sites I retire to the magic place known as National Geographic. I would become entranced by NG as a child as I leafed through it. Today I found this:
A vulture-bone flute discovered in a European cave is likely the world's oldest recognizable musical instrument and pushes back humanity's musical roots, a new study says.
Found with fragments of mammoth-ivory flutes, the 40,000-year-old artifact also adds to evidence that music may have given the first European modern humans a strategic advantage over Neanderthals,
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The bone-flute pieces were found in 2008 at Hohle Fels, a Stone Age cave in southern Germany, according to the study, led by archaeologist Nicholas Conard of the University of Tübingen in Germany.
With five finger holes and a V-shaped mouthpiece, the almost complete bird-bone flute--made from the naturally hollow wing bone of a griffon vulture--is just 0.3 inch (8 millimeters) wide and was originally about 13 inches (34 centimeters) long.
Flute fragments found earlier at the nearby site of Geissenklösterle have been dated to around 35,000 years ago.
The newfound flutes, though, "date to the very period of settlement in the region by modern humans ... about 40,000 years ago," Conard said.
The mammoth-ivory flutes would have been especially challenging to make, the team said.
Using only stone tools, the flute maker would have had to split a section of curved ivory along its natural grain. The two halves would then have been hollowed out, carved, and fitted together with an airtight seal.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090624-bone-flute-oldest-instrument.html
This find, these flutes really blew me away--pun intended.
You see the first cave paintings are 40,000 years old. Now 'man' had been residing in caves for some
time. 100,000 years ago Homo Sapiens Sapiens was residing in caves in the Middle
East near groups of Neandertals living in their own caves.
But no paintings. And
wouldn't you know it that NG has another separate article about cave drawings and
cave RESONANCE in the same issue:
Prehistoric peoples chose places of natural resonant sound to draw their famed cave sketches, according to new analyses of paleolithic caves in France.
In at least ten locations, drawings of horses, bison, and mammoths seem to match locations that focus, amplify, and transform the sounds of human voices and musical instruments
For example, "maybe horses are related to spaces that sound a certain way," he said.
Reznikoff will present his latest findings this week at the annual meeting of the Acoustics Society of America in Paris.
Strategic Placement
An expert in the acoustics of 11th- and 12th-century European churches, Reznikoff often hums to himself when entering a room for the first time so he can "feel its sounds."
He was surprised to discover that in some of the rooms in Le Portel decorated with painted animals, his humming became noticeably louder and clearer.
"Immediately the idea came," he told National Geographic News. "Would there be a relationship between the location of the painting and the quality of the resonance in these locations?"
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/07/080702-cave-paintings.html
June 16, 2009--Inside France's 25,000-year-old Pech Merle cave, hand stencils surround the famed "Spotted Horses" mural.
For about as long as humans have created works of art, they've also left behind handprints. People began stenciling, painting, or chipping imprints of their hands onto rock walls at least 30,000 years ago.
Until recently, most scientists assumed these prehistoric handprints were male. But "even a superficial examination of published photos suggested to me that there were lots of female hands there," Pennsylvania State University archaeologist Dean Snow said of European cave art. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/photogalleries/cave-handprints-actually-women-missions-pictures/index.html
This is yet a third story about the first signatures. A copyright of sorts. And it appears that the ladies were in on this new wave, as it were. ha!
This juncture in time, forty thousand years ago, is a wonder to me. Paintings. Beautiful paintings ARISE OUT OF NOWHERE. Nothing like it before. Oh you will see movies and documentaries about fire. FORGET IT. WE HAD FIRE FOR A MILLION YEARS.
But not painting. And AT THE SAME TIME WE FIND MUSIC. And then we see the great central 'hall' of the cave as a kind of church. A HOLY PLACE.
Something happened to the human brain. Synapses fired. Some
chemical reaction took place. Our brains had expanded over that sixty thousand
year period. Do not kid yourself. The Homo Sapiens Sapiens of the ME caves was
different from us. But the Homo Sapiens
Sapiens of forty thousand years ago did not have any difference in brain
capacity than us, really.
The reason I write of this, and that I write of this with a
huge degree of reverence is that it fits so well into another theme I have
touched on in other blogs, including my recent biblical study posts.
Homer did not sit down one day in 750BC and write the Iliad
and the Odyssey like King wrote his hundred novels. Homer was writing down songs. He was
redacting them to a story line. These songs came from different tribes over
different times. And his two epics were redacted, probably by some Homeric
School over the centuries.
Homer begins the Epic Iliad with, I sing.... Which is why
eight hundred years later Virgil begins the Aeneid:
I sing of arms and the man....
Genesis is a song.......a series of songs written down by at
least four authors (or schools of authors) and set down eventually into some
order over centuries.
But these National Geographic articles tell me that the
human being has been singing sacred songs in his church for forty thousand
years. Imagine that!!!
The fire would be lit and the shadows would dance upon the
walls making the visages painted on those walls by human hands, dance and
change shapes. A truly mystical experience.
The bison, the deer, the mammoth........all moving.
And at the same time, the members of the cave clan would be
dancing while flutes were played. (And I would surmise some sort of drum accompaniment)
And members were chanting, singing to the music. Carried into a religious trance of community.
THESE WERE TRULY THE ANCIENT ONES.














Prehistoric chat rooms! How cool is that??
June 26, 2009 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
and ancient youtubes....
=D
June 26, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ancient, modern, just make a note to yourself: Stay the heck out of chat rooms! Your mother would never be caught in one, the author of this ancients post wouldn't be either, I sure wouldn't, and you just stay clear as well, okay?
It's a corrupting influence. You're better than that, don't forget!
Hope this is helpful! :)
- O.T.
June 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stay out of what? What's a chat room? Never hoid of 'em....
June 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now I feel like a meddling ninny for having raised this non-issue. So very sorry, beg pardon.
June 27, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Went all blubbery on this one, DD. But then anything combining holy places and music does that to me. Thanks for make the end of the week a delight.
p.s. I guess that makes me only semi-ancient, and that's a plus as well.
June 26, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Amike, haahahahahaha, you and I are relatively new to the scene.
June 26, 2009 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something was already happening more like 50K before now. That is the deduced time when "behaviorally modern humans" left Africa, speaking a click language and perhaps escaping too much local fighting. Maybe they had been chased from a waterhole like in "2001", because they were better at dancing than fighting. Or maybe they just got bored at the rat race of stamping and snarling for the same muddy water.
But it is clear that music and art are roughly as old as language. In the historical sense they are older, since we have records of art---musical instruments, paintings, carving---long before we have records of speech.
June 26, 2009 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
SOMETHING REALLY HAPPENED. Magic. The hand of God
And then, five thousand years ago, writing........
Another truly magic time.
And then, porn videos. HA
June 26, 2009 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was so interesting, dd. And then for Tom to comment about the 'click language' was strange because I just heard the term for the first time earlier this week.
June 27, 2009 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I found that interesting myself.And I have listened to the language on tapes and on television.
The rhythm in that language, my God its like Morse Code...(Blesses himself)
Seashell, Thank you for taking time to read this and comments. This is the stuff I love.
June 27, 2009 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
well there you have it DD music and dancing are older than the Bible etc., no church required.
June 26, 2009 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the sacred texts were written on the walls in a colorful language. AND BY WOMEN
June 26, 2009 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
A link for you...
http://richlabonte.net/exonews/xtra4/some_native.htm
June 26, 2009 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That IS a fine link. Great find Flower. Many think that we, homo sapiens sapiens were here, on this side of the world 25000 years. But so far the best they can prove is about 13,000 years.
And ancient arrowheads found here, correspond to many found in Europe.
But I am sure you are well ahead of me on this?
June 26, 2009 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DNA research just isn't supporting Neandertal survival, DD. But I'll tell you, I took a course once with Henry McHenry, the guy who first put the bones together from the Lucy fossil. He thought that Neandertal survived, interbred etc. "You're likey to run into one in downtown Milan" he said. But he was a morphologist, and on that basis you can make the connection. But you can't with DNA, or so I understand.
June 27, 2009 2:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know, I hear that too, then I look at the gov of california...
I am not convinced by the DNA models out there. There needs to be a lot more time to work out other and better models computer and otherwise.
I have always been on the diffusionist's side. Maybe not as radical as Thor H., but we KNOW there was trade from the Pacific Islands to the west coast of South America.
And the City found by the Aztecs less than hundred years before the Spanish barbarians arrived. They did not build the city. They found it. The ancient ones built it.
And the dimensions--so many dimensions really, length, width, height, volume....time in terms of shadows.......
No Atlantis, but.......
Oh but I digress. Its too late for me to make sense.
sorry
June 27, 2009 2:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
A last thought before I crash...
David Lubman's work on Maya acoustics.
http://www.acoustics.org/press/136th/lubman.htm
June 27, 2009 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Neo, I read this link. It is unbelievable to me. That is the wrong word but it will do now.
This is too technical for me. If you have a handle on this you should do a blog.
I know this. I know that the open air theatres in ancient Greece had wonderful sound capabilities. It is the only way that Aescales, Sophocles, Euripides and Aristophanes survived. EVERYBODY COULD HEAR EVERYTHING.
And I think it had more to it than just the shape, the bowl effect. Perhaps the type of ground and seating....
Sound, besides length, width, altitude, volume and time...
Amazing to me. And of course you supply me with this since, the scientist in my piece from NG suggests that the echo effect dictated what animals would be placed where in the cave walls.
Again, much too much technical for the likes of me. But this stuff blows my mind.
June 27, 2009 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. I have heard this "chirp echo" effect at times in certain areas while attending fireworks shows. Some (not all) of the "bottom shots" will produce chirp echoes.
It reads to me as though the writer of the article is proposing that certain architectural features will cause either "tuned" echoes or "sorted" echoes, depending on the spatial period of the facing reflective surface. (I use the two terms to differentiate between amplification and frequency narrowing, just to clarify.)
Interesting to reflect on the trial and error needed to reliably produce such surface treatments on an architectural scale, especially in a pre-mechanized society.
June 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it floors me some Grouch. But Tenochtitlan, for instance, is so odd. It is a Venice of Mexico.
How did they make that?
You know as well as I do there are so many sites on the planet that defy engineering explanation.
We do know the ancients did work with light as another dimension. But to think that cave people worked with echo resonance...wow.
Neo does provide an interesting link.
And nobody is claiming aliens came down and directed the building of the structures. ha
June 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we know they were very methodical. (See ancient Mexican astronomy.) And there was water, and a low-lying area made it possible to get the water in easily enough.
Still, I am amazed - the capacities, at least, are innate, it would seem. (Is all of this a wide-ranging backstopping of Chomsky's language hypothesis?) And they seem to emerge in places that facilitate such emergence. (No acoustical chambers in the open desert, no canal earthworks in places inhospitable to such projects, et cetera.)
June 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the case of architecture, it would be "trowel and error." But the trial & error model is largely the invention of archaeologists, and it really doesn't explain much. I'm interested in this because in the past I worked at a Native American college and we were getting grants from NSF to develop curriculum aimed at motivating Indians towards math and science. Some of the modules dreamed up by colleagues were silly, I thought. Teach chemistry by always inserting the term "sacred" before you say water or H20. Paternalistic, and our students would see it as such. What was missing was any serious literature under the rubric "Native American Epistemology."
Consider manioc, the food staple of Amazonians. If you dig it up and munch on it, it gives you a headache, stomachache, and the shits. How does the trial and error model work here? Isn't it more reasonable to believe that Amazonians understood that if you manipulated a substance you could change its properties? A peek into the sophisticated and complex pharmacology practices of these people proves this point.
Maya blue pigment. Another provocative example. Mix unstable dye from the Indigo plant with kaolin clay and process under strict conditions and viola, a permanent pigment. And...I love this...they exported this knowledge to other groups as technology transfer. The Huastecs, for example, could make the pigment with their local clays by adjusting the processing regimin.
What this suggests to me is that the "theoretical model" is quite old, and where trial and error undoubtedly played a role in technological evolution, it wasn't the exclusive player. I see no reason to believe that Maya architects did not have a theoretical understanding of acoustics, all things considered.
June 27, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, then - please explain to me how "theoretical knowledge" was formed without experimentation and observation. (That's "trial and error" in clinical drag.)
Someone had to be the first one to try each of those things, and notice the difference when they did. Then others had to try varying amounts of modification in each case, and note the resulting effects - didn't they?
June 27, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wrote "theoretical model" not "theoretical knowledge," OG. X + Y = Z is a theoretical model, and it contains an assumption. It is abstract.
Trial and error requires us to assign values to x and y and z to see if it holds, so it is concrete and it doesn't assume anything.
If Mayas didn't have a theoretical model, and did everything by trial and error, they would have to had have constructed an acoustical space, test it, tear it down and reconstruct it several times to achieve the chirp that they were after.
Of course you are correct about observation & experimentation being part of the process of discovery. I've agreed to this in my earlier post. I'm just arguing that it is not the do all end all of "primitive engineering." Like us, Mayas could apply abstract ideas to real world problems. We can build a bridge on paper that won't fall down - no trial and error involved except in the history and development of our ability to do just that.
June 27, 2009 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Models are one thing, and many theoretical models do not survive real-world tests.
Still, I'm stepping back, as this is now off the page and I'm not planning on coming back here. DD writes too much good stuff too often to spend a lot of time conducting blog archaeology.
June 27, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
My apologies, OG. I didn't mean to come off like an ass. I was just caught up in the discussion.
June 27, 2009 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt if I am ahead of you in anything, Mr.Day. But, I have done some ancestor hunting, yes. ;o)
June 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsiG6WiHHPQ
June 26, 2009 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
heh heh heh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNfCAzY1U4I
June 27, 2009 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey neo. Rather than spotting the King at some mall, why not look for him among the ancients. ha!!!
June 27, 2009 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great find, and great take on it, DD. I think the developing capacity for music did things to human thought processes that made many differences.
I want to dig more into this with time.
June 27, 2009 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was so taken by the flutes Grouch and then the echo chambers in the caves and then the hand of the female artist.
And I had just written about the song of Genesis...
I LOVE THIS STUFF. HAHAHA
June 27, 2009 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which may explain why taking art and music out of basic education has been so detrimental. How can a kid learn without that foundation of perception, logic and imagination?
June 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are SO right about that. Rhythm and music are the sinew of rational thought.
June 27, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Jason. I am so taken by this, that is, when I read of the flutes yesterday.
We have all this day care, and preschool, and after school and.........
You would think members of the community itself, would take it upon themselves...those with 'the gift' as it were, to introduce the youngins to a another world. Ha!!
June 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we are moving in that direction. I would prefer a kid has that influence as a matter of course rather than a matter of someone going above and beyond. I hate living in a world where you be exceptional to get ahead.
June 27, 2009 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The amazing thing is that there are more nerds out there searching for clues than ever before.
engraved pigment chunks (geometric designs) 100kya in South Africa. Bows and arrows may be as old. Here's a link I love - David Meadows "Exporator" - mostly archaeology, but a regular section on Early Humans.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Explorator/
Now to the serious stuff. I'm convinced that the Venus of Wallendorf was porn. I don't buy into this fertility goddess nonsense. Look at how the anthropologists and archaeologists project all the time. Did cavemen like red ochre because it stood for blood, or because they liked the color? I was thrilled to read Claude Levi-Strauss' attack on Carl Jung and his notion that primitive man existed in a "twilight state of consciousness" where every object and event was infused with magico/religious significance. The first two chapters of Levi-Strauss' "The Savage Mind" contains a long litany of examples of solid concrete thinking of so called "primitives" - amazing stuff - like the sheer cognitive power required to build a flute.
And then there's Ringo Star's great flick, "Caveman"....
June 27, 2009 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Three quarters spent on the denim king's cousin Neo.
Imputation is a huge problem. And I guess all of the bones of man older than five thousand years could fit in a pick up truck.
Actually Quest for Fire is pretty damn good as long as we see it as HE not CM. Great flick. Kind of took the first fifteen minutes of 2001 and expanded it.
I still think something magic happened forty thousand years ago.
Oh and the Ocher. I have hear ADAM translated as red ocher clay and they showed where it was up there by the Tigris and Euphrates.......
I mean they were forming Venuses and bowls and such from the red ocher clay...why would not Yawey or El or whatever.
Oh and Jaynes gets into a Jungian thing about brain changes, et cet......
But I am a structuralist and I have enough trouble rating commercials.......
If tens of millions of people in this country can vote w in for a second term, it makes it awful difficult to brand other peoples as being idiots.
hahahahaha
June 27, 2009 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'm not against the 40k bump idea at all. One thing we haven't discussed is the idea that one person could change the world. Look at Imhotep - he may have changed the course of Egyptian civilization on his own.
So why not? 40kya someone came along that could really figure things out. The trend in archaeology, as I see it, is pushing the dates of capacities and ability further back in time, but someone has to come along and say "Hey, here's something you can use your thumbs and brain for."
June 27, 2009 3:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did cavemen like red ochre because it stood for blood, or because they liked the color?
Why do scientists never think to ask this question of a modern day artist? Cave paintings were made by artists....and not every human, cave or otherwise, has the capacity to draw a picture of something and make it recognizable. If you ask an artist why they chose one color over another, well, most likely, it wasn't a matter of choice. It was what was on hand at the moment of inspiration, it was what they could afford, it was what they had easy access to.
I would reckon that art 40,000 years ago was a spontaneous thing. Graffiti, if you will. So, it makes sense that the use of ocher was based on what was at hand for the artist to use...it wasn't a choice.
June 27, 2009 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The artist was a 'special' person just like today Flower.
I was watching a cooking show with that Wolfgang...
He was discussing the old European restaurant, bistro, whatever...
There was no menu, really. What do we have left was the chef's question. What is coming in this morning?
You work with what you have. What is available.
The person who can do that, that is an artist. ha!!!
June 27, 2009 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Many still cook like that, DD.
I recall, years ago, stopping for the night in a small town maybe 30-50 miles outside Paris. One combination hotel/bar/restaurant.
There was no menu. Sit down, and food and wine (everything fresh, local, and wonderful) begin emerging from the kitchen. With few if any locals in evidence, conversation with the operators was a joy - and then there was becoming the center of attention when we repaired to the bar side and began playing the pinball machine!
June 27, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thought, having had time to give it thought, is that music transcends even hunting.
Hunting must involve grunting, yes no?
But celebrating a feast, or calling upon the Gods for a feast, must move any soul to want to celebrate and sing.
Just sayin'.
June 27, 2009 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
The hunt itself was a dance, with sticks beaten together--to keep the beat kept the hunting party on pace to find their prey.
But After all this, the jubilation in triumph and the reparations that had to be made....for the taking of the life of the forest/savanah...
SKins were made into clothing, there was a sacredness of the clothing itself. They knew which hunt brought the skins that made the clothing. The teeth were made into necklaces, The bones were made into needles and tools and weapons, the hooves were used.
Meat that could not be eaten right away was smoked and dried to be used another day and hung to protect it from other 'critters'.
The religious rite was a reenactment of the hunt...giving thanks to the god of nature that provided the sustenance.
Oh how i do go on............
June 27, 2009 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like the joke about the explorers who are captured by cannibals, and are given the choice of their manner of death. They are given a speech about how they will be honored by having their hair woven into cloth, their bones made into flutes, their teeth into necklaces, skin into canoes, etc.
The first chooses sword, the second, gun, the third, grumpy guy chooses death by fork. As they begin to stab him he says "So much for your fucking canoe."
BTW, hunting was always deadly quiet, but fighting was an other animal, likely a noisy dance as much as actual headbanging. Individual dance and song was surely competitive, and won followers and mates (see: rock stars, groupies.)
June 27, 2009 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some hunting would be extremely quiet. Probably most.
But I had it in mind how the hunt would work when the men 'herded'. The hunters would drive the mammoths or deer over a cliff. No kidding. The men would raise a ruckus to send the animals to their death.
And I saw once of the many 'Mutiny' flicks recently, and it struck me how they fished in the Pacific Island shallows, herding their victims into
nets.
Of course we have no videos of the actual hunts...ha.
June 27, 2009 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Likely the herding hunt was once a year, or maybe twice. When the herd settled in, the predator technique of cutting one out would have been more common, I'd think. That's if the herd was around.
In a well-populated region, say east Africa, we were competing with lions, so no drives off the cliff. But in the Asian steppe or in the New World, the arrival of the herd would have been a major event, good news for staying alive through the winter. I think it is why we thrill to the sound of thunder, not only because of welcome rain. It's why we get excited by loud bass---we're stoking ourselves for the hunt.
As to the 40,000 ya, it may only be that humans found those nice caves, as why we have paintings that date from then. Drawings exposed to weather and sunlight would not last.
June 27, 2009 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, that thunder....
I used to laugh at my dog. She would go nuts. I would have to call her over...hahahaha settle her down..
I have this picture in my head now Tom. Thunder.
Oh and thanks for the Hutton Rec.
June 27, 2009 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting post, DD. Convenient timing, for sure. Life = art = magic = life
Also, the time of the first human sacrifice (that jerk Gork and his flute- just wouldn't stop with the Yanni...)
June 27, 2009 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
God said to Abraham, kill me a son...........
June 27, 2009 3:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting material, Not so sure about the trustworthiness of Carbon Dating though?
I find speech more of a gift.
Google Speech and the Plains of Shinar.
But your Abraham comment drew my attention.
I can imagine your thoughts on the matter, I think I know how you feel, because that's how I felt.
It’s all about perception.
For one thing Abraham knew that God could resurrect his Son
Was it a test?
If I were God, why would I set in motion events that would lead to the end of Death of Humankind? Why should he?
If the unfathomable laws required To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
I am confident there was a reason, although I might not fully understand why
Except, if I was God; why should my only begotten Son die in order for me to remove the curse of death from you? Because you (mankind) have a self inflicted defect. Passed on to your offspring.
Because YOU’RE parents disregarded my warning that THEY would positively die, if they ate from the tree that causes death. Our first parents ingested something or were prevented from eating, that affected mans ability to regenerate itself. We grow old and Die as a result of an action.
There is birth and there is death.
How can we have birth and NO death?
I admit I lack the knowledge to understand ALL the Laws. Why things occur or why they have to.
I can only appreciate that because Abraham took the Action and passed the test, then maybe the one who could remove death reciprocated with an action of his own?
Do you know how to remove Death? What Laws must be addressed.
June 27, 2009 7:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know that there were many instances of culturally approved human sacrifice. On every continent.
Of course there are differing definitions. The cannibalism found among the Aztecs, reaching in and grabbing the beating heart and biting into it.
I personally have always been taken by the words:
Take ye and eat, for this is my body
Take ye and eat, for this is my blood
I think it reflects an ancient behavior. The cannibal would receive the spirit of the dinner so to speak.
June 27, 2009 8:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joseph Campbell had some very interesting things to say about human sacrifice. He says in his interviews with Bill Moyers, that in the Gospel of Thomas the last supper is a singing and dancing celebratory event. Joyous not sad.
There is a group in Indonesia where a young virgin man and virgin woman have sex in a lean-to built of giant tree trunks. At consummation, the lean-to is collapsed on the couple, killing them. In that society it is considered a great honor to be chosen.
What hubris we have to judge other cultures by our own lights. The white man's burden lives on.
June 27, 2009 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD .. From the Land of Sumer . . .
Thanks for this great post. It's 3:25 AM here on the left coast and what I fine piece to have read before retiring for a couple of hours.
This has always been my side trip between heaven and earth. The ancient Sumerian poetry and myths:
Here is fine example from faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm
At the link Jacobsen translates these apparently difficult to decipher lines somewhat differently . . .
I suggest you take the time and check the rest of this page out when you can find the time.
Oh ... and again ... thanks for taking the time to put this post together.
Dream time . . .
~OGD~
June 27, 2009 6:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read and bookmarked this fine discussion of the Sumarians.
I love origin myths. Just love them. For me they are a code of sorts.
Echoes of things past. Thousands of years past. ha
Tens of thousands of years past.
Thank you for this OGD. And the map of Iraq...The four rivers documentaries I have seen, they include maps such as these besides aerial views. and I applaud the teams who seek out the evidence of past civilizations.
June 27, 2009 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
And more thing DD ...
I did recommend your post, and by doing so I bumped my own How About Some K-Y With Your Health Insurance Coverage post off the top on the front page.
But you are worth it
~OGD~
June 27, 2009 6:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
It appears your use of K -Y helped you?
June 27, 2009 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I got caught up in this and the chatroom last nite. I naturally recommended your piece. But you wrote yours twelve hours before mine so you are off the charts so to speak. hahahaha
I do appreciate the thought though.
June 27, 2009 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to assume the social norm has evolved somewhat over 800,000 years.
Consider for a moment what a Dick Cheney may have been like back then. Comparatively speaking, our modern day Dick would be a saint. Then we also have our modern day bad actors who seem not to have evolved much at all.
Whoever said change doesn't happen overnight didn't even scratch the surface.
June 27, 2009 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well dickyc would surely have been dead by age 35 or so...a bad ticker you know.
If he wished to escape military service having a couple kids would not work. He might have worked a scam as a shaman I suppose. hahahahaha
June 27, 2009 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think anyone, 800,000 years ago, who saw 35 was actually very old. Not to mention a bad ticker wasn't very high on their list of concerns. How to slay a wooly mammoth with a spear, now that was a problem. Remembering which berries were ok to eat probably held their interest too. Slackers like our present day Dick probably never made it to double digits in age.
June 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remembering which berries were OK to eat prompts me to yet more questions. Who first figured out that an oyster was not just a rock? That you could pry it open and find a small something to eat in there? And how many rocks did they mess with in hungry frustration even after figuring it out?
And mushrooms - so many questions about those. Which ones would feed you, which ones would kill you, which ones gave you "visions"?
June 27, 2009 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good questions. I have a suggestion about the oyster one. Our ancestors may have seen birds somehow or other eating the oysters. From that they learned they were edible and wouldn't kill you. Same for the berries. With the mushrooms nothing obvious comes to mind.
June 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
ack!
June 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes TPC, brilliant really. Watching the other animals. ha.
I was not thinking of that. That is more than clever.
How could you properly use your environment without taking note of whom you are sharing that environment with? Yes.
I like this a lot.
June 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deer eat mushrooms, and the ones they eat we can eat too.
That said, it's more of a mystery how we learned to eat magical mushrooms. Yummy.
June 27, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had no idea deer eat mushrooms. Who teaches the deer which ones are OK?
June 27, 2009 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coyote, naturally. He is always the one that does that sort of thing.
That's an interesting topic, though. Cows are always eating crap that makes them sick or kills them, that the natives won't touch with a ten-foot tongue.
June 27, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This would suggest that in the natural world species are in some way endowed with a (genetically inherited?) means of identifying things in their environment that have been bred out of domesticated species.
The timeline of this occurrence is interesting. In reference to the cows you mention we haven't had them that long as domestic animals. At least not in my imprecise sense of how slowly the evolutionary process progresses. Or could it be that the rate can be influenced by specific identifiable factors? Or have we had cows as domestic animals far longer than I might think? Perhaps an order of years represented by a six figure number? My initial thought was less than 10,000.
I just looked this up on a wiki. Not surprisingly, dogs were the first animals humans domesticated. According to what I read (so far) they came from grey wolves. However, there is no agreement on the timeline. It ranges from 15,000 to 100,000 years.
June 28, 2009 4:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you ever seen a seagull drop a clam?
LOL
I think they figured it out by watching the birds. There is a dock nearby that had thousands of shattered shells on it. Apparently the gulls have found it is the right consistency for shellfish dropping.
Pretty amazing, and humbling.We think we're soooo smart.
=D
June 27, 2009 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I'd have to live near the ocean for that. I don't.
June 27, 2009 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw on Discovery Channel where birds drop shellfish from whatever height onto rocks to break them open.
We have hands. Birds have wings. They'd like to have hands the same as we'd like to be able to fly.
June 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
a really interesting topic, DD. I had read about the discovery of the ancient flute but would have never been able to put it in the context you did.
I sometimes think we might have been better off if we stuck to music and art as the essential primary forms of communication and not narrowly typecast it as "art".
June 27, 2009 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Gary. After all, WHAT IS ART? I watched some famous cartoonist on CSPAN, just scribble funny pictures of the rich and famous. I recall Picasso doing the same thing thirty years ago on some interview.
The guy at the auction, selling tobacco, is he a rap artist?
Those funny twins I laugh at on PBS. They look at an old table from revolutionary times, and they lose their breath. And they have the most interesting discussion of the wood, the butterflying, the...
the end
June 27, 2009 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great observations DD!
It is worth remembering, as you did, that the homo sapiens sapiens of 40,000 years ago were different but their brain capacity was the same. Now, look around at some of the amazingly backward and self destructive behavior today's homo sapiens sapiens are engaged in and you can see that while we are indeed different from those originals of our kind, we are not all that different either. The biggest distinction is that we have developed an extraordinary collective capacity for technology. We have not, however, advanced much morally. Nor have we been able to leave behind the overriding and dominating emotions of fear and selfishness. These things certainly have their place, but most humans are unable to manage how these dominate their thinking and behavior. We would not have such a massive and obscene worldwide obsession with militarism if it were otherwise and no group is worse in this regard than the collection of recently upright people as those of us here in the USA. Einstein was correct in the dawn of the nuclear era when he noted that humanity has not advanced in the realm of enlightenment in a fashion appropriate to match the technological development we have created. It is in this area we must work and pray for another "moment" such as that which propelled homo sapiens sapiens forward 40,000 years ago or so.
Well done DD! Thank you!
June 27, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would put at the top of the list of "technology" that we have not adapted to: Language. In interest of time, I could sum up a major facet of it with that scene from Life of Brian, when the soldiers come to the aid of Brian on the cross, and then, after the lead soldier tells them, "men, die for your cause," promptly pull out their swords and kill themselves.
June 27, 2009 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oleeb, such kind words. Much appreciated.
Just focusing on the info tech, it is mind boggling.
I am sure I could tune in to a beach in the pacific right now, in real time, if I put my mind to it.
What was the name of that character in Mutiny on the Bounty played by Liam Nieson and .....propelling both to stardom. Hey, I could get the name of this favorite actor in 60 seconds. The name of the character at the same time, and make whatever silly point I wished.
It is like memory in research is not as necessary as it once was.
So much free information available to the lowest of the low. I have never experienced such egalitarianism in my life.
I really feel that the joy of community in those cave rites, is experienced today in one way or another throughout the world today.
Maybe we are not attempting to get back to the garden as in Woodstock, but to the cave...the festivities of the cave.
June 27, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have we ever left the cave?
I would highly recommend that you read Herbert Blau's Take of the Bodies and then The Audience. Maybe start with his first book Manifesto. He speaks from someone who has spent his life in the theater, but he explores so much more. (he is the one that directed Waiting for Godot at San Quentin Prison)
June 27, 2009 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great post. Thank you.
Of course, as I read this I can't help but drift to the darker side: that it is transformation that has given us the capacity over the years to commit the atrocities that we abhor. We see all the blood on the stage, there are the bodies. What do we make of them? Could it have been avoided? Is it avoidable in the future?
The reason why a post such as yours is perfect for a site such as this is that it makes us ponder just what is the nature of human nature. What is the nature of language, spirituality, etc.
June 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Acamus, thanks for chiming in. It is all so exciting to me. 38 years ago I received my BA in Anthropology. I love this stuff.
ECCE HOMO
And as far as origins, many different origins.
But, just in this country alone there are over 300 million people. We cannot really comprehend that figure. Talk about consciousness...We really are not capable of that kind of consciousness.
There are people, families, enclaves of the best examples of our race; the human race. And there are the opposite; the worst examples.
In the 'news' we get stuck sometimes with the same personalities, saying the same things over and over again and the pundits attempting to make it interesting.
This week, Keith O found a female state senator somewhere who actually gave a speech concerning free lunches for poor kids during the summer. She advocated against such a program saying that keeping the poor kids hungry would add to their drive to better themselves. ha
Ecce Homo.
So much to behold.
June 27, 2009 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Long story, but started out college with the focus on physical anthropology. It was a time when Lucy had made her appearance, very exciting. And I remember one of my profs getting into some hot water when he joked in class one day that we could still see some of the legacy of the nethanderals amongst us when he ride the subway or bus. In the end, the major turned to History. A switch between two kinds of study of history of humans really, one in which the texts are a little different most of the time.
June 27, 2009 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah and did you notice, that you have read far more out of school on these subjects than you ever did in school.
We only learn later, at least some of us, that school is just an introduction....
June 27, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. If our culture as a whole saw education as a life-long endeavor, rather than something you "did" between this and that age, at this and that institution, the better off we would be.
June 27, 2009 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Memory being what is it (and the role of song in the collective memory of communities is a topic in and of itself), I had to remind myself exactly what Ecce Homo implied.
(I'm still wrapping my mind around the state senator take on lunches)
Only humans would you find punishment based on humiliation. That just the words "Ecce Homo" would be weapons with the power to wound as deeply as thorns and whips.
When we watch the pundits on the tv screens, what songs are they singing to our tribes? What stories are they handing down to be repeated at the watercooler (watehole)?
The importance of discourse as found in places like TPM cannot be overstated.
June 27, 2009 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Loving music - I found this fascinating and so well done - am, amazed at the history of man and his fondness of music from the earliest stages.
I am going to think of this blog each time I hear music of any time and wonder what our "ancestors" would think of some of our genres.
Highly rec'd, dear DD.
June 27, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Maggie. Now you are a busy woman, but over the next week, check out some of the links provided by so many commenters. Fun stuff. One provides a recording of flute playing. The music is from a reproduction of these 40 thousand year old flutes.
Not all in one day. I'm just sayin....
June 27, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but I'm not into the God-thingy stuff.
So about 40,000 years ago, something "miraculous" occurred - caveman marketing 101.
I'm troubled with a few inconsistencies in the historical records - or lack of.
First, from what I've read, cave paintings are quite accurate - one can really identify the animals of that time period portrayed on the walls and ceilings.
Second, the variety of pigments used as paint. So all of a sudden cavemen knew what ingredients and what proportions were necessary to get the colors they needed.
I just find it really odd that all of a sudden, pre-historic man and woman had the pigments and capable of drawing like images of the animals in their environment. Just look at any first graders artwork to catch my drift. Art is learned.
I suspect what we have uncovered so far is more in line with the final product of many years of painstaking efforts by many artisians to get the physical features in their correct proportions so anyone viewing it would easily recognize the animals depicted on the murals. Same goes with the pigments too. I sometimes wonder how the colors plays on the minds eye when view by simple torch light or oil lamp. The type of light used when they created the murals is critical if you want to see the real color the original artists were trying to show.
As for why there aren't any earlier drawing to show a progression, I suspect environmental entropy is at play here. As time moves on, the land slowly surrenders itself back to the forces of nature to be renewed. It could very well be nature has consumed the earlier auditions. Then again, perhaps they're still waiting to be found, just like the lost Pharaohs of ancient Egypt.
June 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I forgot to add this in my conclusion.
As for environmrntal entrophy reclaiming surface features over long periods of time, I remember years ago I took a ski trip to Stubaital Austria to ski the glacier in late September. On the trip up the mountain, I remember passing a small farm with a grassy pasture nestled between craggy rock formations adjacent to the road. What was so odd was the pasture. It looked like a boulder strewn field with astro turf melted like cheese on top. Mother nature was slowly at work grinding up that granite and dolomite rock into boulders and then into gravel. I suspect the same fate has occurred or is occuring to other caves of pre-historic murals.
June 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good points, beetlejuice. Look at ancient pottery decoration. It's clear that many are graphic transpositions from basket designs. Basket weaving is a much older technology, of course, and baskets are perishable. So what survives is the trace - pottery designs that are generated by the grid of a basket.
And let's not forget drugs. I remember reading a paper on a group in Colombia who had a very distinct collection of graphic designs they used to decorate their stuff with. The investigator thought that they looked familiar to him, and with a little research dug up some old research from Europe on a particular drug compound which produced an array of hypnogogic hallucinations in the subjects that pretty much matched the South American tribe. It turned out the compound investigated was chemically similar to the snuff the Indians used regularly to get high.
There's actually a distinct typology for European cave paintings, with three major categories. The "splade figures" strongly suggest that these pics were used to teach how to butcher animals. The "shamanistic" art is typically abstract - scribbles and geometric designs - look at fetishes - no one cares what they look like, the important thing is that they contain all the necessary magic substances. The third category is the wonderful illustrations that we find so appealing. There are a lot of competing theories about this type, but I like the one that says that these are story telling aids. I remember seeing a flick once about an Amazon group, and I was particularly interested in these people's institution of recounting their experiences after the hunt, or other adventures. It was pure theater. Not only was a special language used, but there were a whole series of gestures and manner of speech that was used that were unique to this specific communication event.
June 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, neo. Yes. I agree with every single word of this comment.
The Recounting. A play in three parts. ha!
But is it not of interest that the Recounting is of the hunt and not of war?
June 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beetle, you make great points. Maybe 'they' started with drawings in the dirt. Or in the sand. or on trees or wood of some kind.
The cave paintings we have in Spain, France...are said to be anywhere from 40,000 years old to 13,000 years old. And there are several of them.
But what do we know for sure? What is speculation?
Hell I dont know. ha!!! There are many examples of 'stick men' for instance. No good drawings of man that I have seen. The famous Venus, I would have to look it up---20,000 years old. beautiful.
Then there are the ugly mishapen Venuses. Supposedly pregnant, mother goddesses...
All of it so interesting to me.
June 27, 2009 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think one has to see divine intervention in the "miraculous."
Today, the human brain "expands" until we are eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. Until that time, abstract thought is basically impossible. The world to a nine year old is concrete. Love is the sum of the concrete actions associated with the word "love." Then "miraculously" the individual is a little older, and he or she can ponder the concept of "love" - play around it, hold contradictory thoughts about it, emotionally respond to "Juliet is the sun," etc
That there was some kind of critical mass / tipping point in human history where the qualitative difference in the brain's ability just made this leaped in geological or evolutionary sense. And that this leap led to the drive and ability to paint caves and make flutes, whereas shortly before there was no such drive or ability. In other words, it is possible there was some point (40,000 years or so ago?) where our ancestors no longer stopped their mental growth at nine years of age, and became teenagers.
June 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a professional artist, I am not so sure that art is learned. I think art is remembered. Picasso said it took him his whole life to learn to paint like a child.
We are born fully expressing. Life starts to restrict and restrain that self expression and we learn to go outside the lines at our peril.
For me, art and self expression are inseparable.
I think technique and craft is learned.
My folks gave me some watercolors I did when I was in kindergarten. They are brilliant expressions of color and excitement. They were clearly done without thought or plan. I don't know that I could recreate that energy today. I might be too technically adept and it gets in the way.
June 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
This post *angers* me as nothing but another distraction to conceal how Obama destroyed our 2nd Amendment rights and turned the country bankrupt so the U.N. black helicopter fascist-socialists could use our bases to destroy Israel!! If not, just tell us why Sanford got pummeled over a trade mission for protecting his state from government takeover via bailout!! CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE?!!
Uh, seriously, Mr. Day, very well done. I never had any idea their could be bone flutes forty thousand years ago! Wow! Thanks for the education!
The sheer braininess on this site sometimes tears me up! What a good bunch here! :)
June 27, 2009 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahhahahaha Well thank you so much OT.
I have not seen you on the site for a long time.
I do think that you have helped me here though.
I almost forgot to take my meds again.
hahahaha
June 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apropos of my tongue-in-cheek rant above, I happened to be blogging yesterday or so that the mullahs were glad for Michael's death since it knocked their troubles (and all other human endeavor BTW) out of Mainstream Media.
Some reactionary asshat retorted,
"Actually this is way off. Democrats are happiest, because it takes away all the negative attention from today's cap & tax vote, which is one of the pillars of Hussein's destruction of our economy"
Nice, huh? A kind fellow named RedSoxin2009 told the troll that we were trying to have an adult conversation and to hit the bricks, a rejoinder which I much appreciated!
June 27, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ot I told you on your blog, that just ran out...
Tell me. Bring a link to the chat room. Hell I will go see it. Some days I am not vigilant enough.
June 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, really appreciate! :)
June 27, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Horrobin had a wonderful book on this "cultural explosion" DD, which the Royal Society voted 2nd to Hawking's in Science writing one year. I knew Horrobin, he came out of Balliol and then taught at Oxford (as a doctor), before spending long years in East Africa (where he got into archaeo/anthro), then started up his own company (in Nova Scotia) selling evening primrose oil, because he was convinced we had lost something essential for our brains to function - the right fats. (Our brains are mostly fat.) He was a really funny and smart rebel, and named his company efamol - for essential fatty acid molecule he'd tell you officially, but really for "Fuck 'Em All", a name aimed at the scientific establishment.
His book was called The Madness of Adam and Eve, and basically, he argues strong links from fossils to anatomy to cultural output. He believes humans mutated and produced not only a larger brain (which other animals have) but more importantly, producing much more complex interconnections within the brain. His view is that the genetic changes producing this are now called - if you have too many, etc. - schizophrenia. If you have a bit less, then you're pretty "out there" - creative, shamanistic/artistic etc. It was these people, who had piled up the genetic changes, and then added a changed diet, which produced your big explosion. At that point, his argument is fairly simple, because we CAN'T FIND a physical or simple genetic change alone which produced that huge growth around 30-40,000 years ago.
So he looks at diet. Diet is key FOR THE BRAIN because you need certain fatty acids to help grow and grease the operation of those complex connections. And here he argues that because we see savannah inn East africa today, we assume it was like that back then - though it wasn't. there were tons of rivers and swamps and fishing places. (In fact, he argues that our body build and the way we produce/use water would have made the kinds of lifestyle and hunting we imagine physically impossible.) Rather, we hung out at fishing holes and rivers... and as we got good at that, we got access to more... fish. which basically, fed the mind... and the explosion followed, all along the East side of Africa, as their greater success, greater ability to communicate and motivate socially, enabled sometimes peaceful sometimes violent expansion.
The modern link is that industrialized food takes out these fats, and thus, many people with an above-average number of these underlying genetic changes end up somewhere on the schizo scale. He did a lot of work with trials in prisons, schools etc. to try and understand if we could change diets and thus help reduce the numbers suffering.
But to your point, he sees the explosion back then as having come about from a cumulative series of genetic changes affecting the brain... then super-fed a new, richer diet... which produces the cultural/intellectual creativity... which could mobilize new forms of social bonds, group mindsets, dance, art, religion, politics... which would have led to rapid growth and expansion geographically.
As they say, in many ways it's a "just so" story, but one with tons of really interesting archaeo/anthro facts under it, as well as medical/genetic./diet/psych - and since all we have otherwise are different sets of "just so" stories (where we're all spear-throwing cavemen on the savannah etc.), he's worth a read. Besides, there really aren't many GOOD explanations of that explosion, are there?
And mostly because his book is just damn good fun!
June 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
He believes humans mutated and produced not only a larger brain (which other animals have) but more importantly, producing much more complex interconnections within the brain"
See you and he are so correct in this because Neandertal had a bigger brain. Always kind of a throw away line in the scientific tomes. You could tell it bothered them.
But like a well oiled three inch johnson compared to those on certain porn sites.....but I digress..
Now I have two books I wish to read. ha
fuck em all. ahahahahahahahahahaha How could you not like this guy?
June 27, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great as usual DD.
I just finished a tremendous book by Thom Hartmann called The Edison Gene, ADHD and the Gift of the Hunter Child.
Evidence shows that 40,000 years ago a great ice age killed off most of humankind. A gene [DRD4 7R] showed up that is identified with creativity and adaptivity. It still exists today in about 10% of the population.
Hartmann calls it the Edison Gene. Thomas Edison, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson evidently had it.
Unfortunately, today kids with it are far to often diagnosed as ADHD in our Prussian based - educate the working class enough to work but not well enough question authority educational system. Those kids thrive in Waldorf or Montessori schools.
I used to joke that if ADHD were around in the 50s I would have been full of Ritalin. After reading that book, it wasn't a joke. There are 14 characteristics for the Edison gene, I scored 14 out of 14. Had I not had parents who encouraged me and my explorations, I might be some Prozaked neo-con by now.
It is sad that what made the Truly Ancient Ones the innovators and survivors that they were is considered an aberration worthy of drugging into submissiveness today.
My sense is that gene is very well represented in this community.
June 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cool. Just scan-read 40 pages of it online. Similarities with Horrobin's book (just above.) Thanks Bali.
June 27, 2009 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Horrobin's book sounds very interesting. My library doesn't have it. I checked Amazon and they do have 2 copies [used] for only $205.72 hardbound and $99 for paperback! It must be a marvelous book. I will keep looking.
Hartmann also references the Sng'oi people in Malaysia. Psychologist Robert Wolff wrote a book called Original Wisdom about them. They sound as close to the Truly Ancient Ones as we may have had in our lifetimes. Unfortunately they have disappeared as their habitat disappeared. We are poorer for their passing.
I just ordered that book from Amazon.
June 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting take Bali. apposite or opposite of Beetle's take.
I think something happened. I think in this day and age, after all of the searches upon the earth that have taken place...I think something magical took place and a gene or a series of genes....
That is the only evolutionary tool I know of.
June 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
(fragment from an anthropology lecture delivered telepathically in the usual manner by Zall-click-click in the year 38340 AD)
A recent discovery of a 35,000 year old video storage media has given us an image of an ancient ritual that has my colleagues speculating wildly. The video shows a large assembly of early Homo-S-S gathered in a large hall. The seating is a semi-circular arrangement with a large dais at the center point. There are approximately 400 separate seated participants, the significance of the number being lost to the ages. In the video the seated Homo-S-S’s one at a time walk to the center dais and make a series of sounds that can only be described as song of some form. Interestingly the group on the right (as viewed from behind the arc of the semi-circle) seem to be a kind of chorus. I say chorus because this group intones the identical musical sounds over and over. The group to the left also stands at the dais and “sings” if that is what they are doing, but each seems to have a unique song fragment, perhaps of their own invention. Both sides are limited to about five minutes of song each. After this ritual is performed for several hours, there is a period of inactivity and murmuring and then it begins again.
As I say my colleagues are speculating about the meaning of this ritual. We may never know what was its purpose or its significance. The group on the right may have held a significance in their repetitive intonations. For the Left, the significance lay in their individualized performance more than the repetition of some familiar tonal string. All of this leads me to think that what we are observing is the evolutionary process of consciousness. The Right is content with repetition and stasis. The Left is the force of change, of possibility. It must have been in rituals like this, based on song, that our species expanded its understanding and its capacity for survival in the natural world. In our time we enshrine this principle in our science as: “It’s the singer, not the song.”
June 27, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, the ghost of Yeats rises up and says:
"O body swayed to music, O brightening glance,
How can we know the dancer from the dance?"
Is there a way to know the singer from the song?
June 27, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its the singer and not the song. Hahahaha.
Ok Larry, I hereby render unto you the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here blog if not the entire TPMCafe site given to all of you from all of me. hahahaha
June 27, 2009 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Magic flutes and a magical blog. Blog - that's an ugly word to use with this beautiful narrative of yours, dd. I wanted to be an archeologist when I was young, but it never happened. The caves have always fascinated me. In my next life, perhaps.
I hate to ruin the mood, but back to reality. What's with the He this He that? "He then discovered fire. He dug a hole, laid some rocks in it, and made fire. Hearth & Home eight hundred thousand years ago. Then he/she took off out of Africa and settled in Europe, Indonesia, China.... " You don't bring Eve into it until we're leaving Africa. Mitochonrial Eve dates back 170,000 years whereas patrilineal Adam reaches back only 60,000 years. Perhaps you're thinking of Genesis stories? ;)
June 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, its an old fault. I am an old man and we were taught in the patriarchal mode to use the masculine.
Sometimes I am good and stay away from that. Sometimes I even force myself to say she in place of he.
I did underline here--it is one third of my essay that the signatures on many of the cave paintings if not most were made by women.
So I apologize for what probably sound Misogynist. My heart is not there, I assure you.
June 27, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't for a minute think you are a misogynist. I was just teasing. I, too, was raised to say he for man and womankind.
June 27, 2009 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, DD, this topic is so interesting that I just had to look at the critique of the Upper Paleolithic Revolution (UPR) theory. It's like eating the apple of Eden - I want to believe, but the challenging theories and evidence are also compelling.
There's a language development argument out there that is too complex for me, but suffice it to say our "Phase III" language, which requires a hideously complex network of synapses to use, is 130,000 years old, at least.
I think most of us agree that, at least historically, human achievement enhances when two formerly isolated people meet and exchange. In Eurasia, we find this happening 52kya with yet another Out of Africa migration. As it turns out, many of the features associated as evidence for the UPR are already quite old in Africa. The idea that the Middle Paleolithic period was a dull time in terms of human achievement is falling apart with recent archaeological discoveries and interpretations.
The UPR, then, would not be as significant as "human evolution," but it would retain high status as "Eurasian" prehistory.
June 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
See. No wonder there are 1000 page tomes on this subject. Exchange. Trade in genes, in cultural tools, in cultural communication.......
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts...
June 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet the hole is equal to the cube of its contents.
June 27, 2009 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I almost forgot my favorite "Far Side" joke:
Two cavemen standing there, one the journeyman the other the apprentice. The journeyman is holding a rock (he's working on the wheel) and complaining:
"I told you to bring me a Crescent Wrench! This is a hammer! Well, maybe it is a Crescent Wrench...."
June 27, 2009 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Book recommendation---"The Art Instinct" by Dennis Hutton. Many of the arguments I've made here.
June 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post DD! I have thought about these things as well. I think it is outright propaganda that "we" are somehow innately different from these early people's. There is an undeniable continuity.
You mentioned the "leaps" a few times. There are lots of theories on those, but I was struck by SciFi writer Greg Bear's idea that he put forward in Darwin's Radio (and then followed up with "Darwin's Children"). Essentially, he argued that there is a wild gene (or genes) that may be triggered in part of the human population at various points. These triggerings cause a wildfire type of transformation.
June 27, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. There certainly were 'discoveries' over the millenia. But we KNOW for sure there were genetic mutations just by looking at the skeletons. The skulls...
June 27, 2009 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink