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Scarborough the Not So Fair


Joe Scarborough
Joe Scarborough



There is not one America. Even the term is nothing but propaganda. There is North America and South America; two continents.  Hugo Chavez is an American and so is Fidel Castro.

Did you know that most enclopaedias will include all of Meso-America as part of the North American Continent? And all the Caribbean Islands as well?   Does not matter. The entire area between the North Pole and the South pole is just about included as America in that longitudinal section of this orb that we call the New World.

It is just so difficult to say: The citizens of The United States of America. So we are Americans, I guess. And within that limited framework, we shall refer to ourselves as Americans, here anyway.

Well there are over three hundred million of us Americans.  And there are factions within that population that will never get along. Never.

My America has nothing to do with rush's America, and his America does not have anything to do with me.  As a matter of fact, his faction could not even agree with me as to how to define what an American Citizen is. If Hernandez Mendoza and Pierre LaFonte are born here, well they are citizens as far as I am concerned. Game over.

But not to rush. So there really is no reason for me to have anything to do with the guy, except to point out my disagreements with him. I despise him as a commentator, as a radio DJ, as a repub, as a hateful divider, as a winner so far in the 'class struggle', as a demagogue, as a racist, as a white supremacist, as a human being.  I doubt I could agree with him as to who should be president or what a good movie is.

How bad are things in the Republican Party? In a new USA Today poll, 52 percent of respondents, when asked to name "the main person" who speaks for the GOP, couldn't come up with an answer. For those who could answer, Rush Limbaugh was the first choice with 13 percent, followed by Dick Cheney, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, and George W. Bush. Does that mean a Limbaugh-Cheney ticket in 2012?Read it at USA Today Posted at 6:44 AM, Jun 10, 2009 Daily Beast

Jughead is the subject of this essay though. Known as Joe Scarborough with a stunningly conservative morning show on MSNBC known as Mornin' Joe.  I bring up rush simply because rush spouts a message that is supported by a large group of repubs, a large group of other hateful propagandists, and a large group in our media as a whole. And Jughead counts him as his close friend.  The close friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Another of his best friends who is on his morning panel is Pat Buchanan. I have had a chance to say a lot about Pat, but here is a nice summary of the orations of one of America's primary fascists:http://mediamatters.org/columns/200906080008.

Jughead also stated today that Jon Stewart is an extremely angry man with a Napoleonic complex. This coming from a 6'4" man who stands on the mountaintop and evidently can perceive these things.

Just examining this anger first, who could forget the time jughead earned his show the seven second delay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJUwn6eSNo.  

The reason he used the 'f' word was because he had been on a rant about what a scoundrel Rahm Emmanuel was;  in order to demonstrate that Rahm was a bad person.  After doing this for several days, he finally got caught on the tube and has kind of laid off of Rahm since then.  This demonstrates an anger I would say.

Or take a look at this fine appearance with Rachel Maddow and monkeyface Gregory (April, 2008) when jughead kept interrupting Rachel. He would not let her finish her first sentence. The entire argument had to do with the Reverend Wright challenge to Obama's character by jughead. Rachel was bringing up the fact that McCain had his own problems with associations in the past (read racist conservative bastards). Jughead kept interrupting that you cannot challenge the character of a man who had been in public service for twenty five years.  But it was ok to challenge the character of Obama because he had no public service (say what?)  jughead walks off the set in anger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/joe-scarborough-walks-off_n_97330.html

Oh and anyone interested in the Vince Foster death, at least as interested as Scarborough, take a look at this headline discussing the death of a female aide IN JUGHEAD'S OWN OFFICE in 2001: http://www.allhatnocattle.net/7-21-06_scarborough_aide_dies.htm

Lori's skull had suffered several severe blunt-force trauma injuries and fissures, including one that made a crack in her skull over seven inches long. Two of the traumas resulted in sizable hematomas, the largest being the size of a woman's fist. Now, remember this point: Hematomas cannot form once the heart stops beating and circulation is stopped. Why is this important? Because the coroner in the case, one Michael Berkland, ruled that Lori Klausutis had fainted due to a fatal heart attack while she was standing and then hit her head on the desk as she fell before hitting the ground. That only accounts for at most two of the head injuries -- and not for their severity. And if Lori was going to have a heart attack, why didn't she have it during one of the many 8k races in which she ran? It turns out that Michael Berkland had moved to Florida because he'd had his license pulled in Missouri for deliberately botching autopsies. Oh, and if her heart had stopped beating before she sustained the head injuries, how then did the hematomas form? Go read the following sites for more information: http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/2005/03/joe-scarborough-and-dead-women.html And this may have had more to do with why jughead decided not to run again in November 2002.  As a matter of fact he resigned before his fourth terms was over in 2001.  Remember, he stated 'family reasons'. http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html

Take a look at this wonderfully uncontained Scarborough defending Blackwater: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/055359.php

He had been on a tirade against the Iraqis as Nazis when Jim Webb came on and calmed jughead down.

Or watch him take after Michael Moore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFNvwCiHn6g

Jughead thinks he is much more composed than he really is. He is a classic passive-aggressive. He is so filled with hate and anger that he is transparent in the old sense of the word. Who in the hell does he think he is fooling here? And with people like rush and cheney as his best friends...geeeeez.

He has written a book recently about getting back to 'conservative values'.  Basically, there is nothing new here:

1.                Cut all spending programs

2.                Balance budget

3.                After you balance budget cut more taxes

4.                Cut all spending programs again

5.                After you balance budget cut more taxes

6.                Put more conservative jugheads on the Supreme Court

7.                End the minimum wage

8.                Destroy all government unions

9.                Destroy all teachers' unions

10.             Destroy all unions

11.             Get government out of the business of regulating business

12.             Get government out of the business of tracking management's salaries

13.             End Medicare and Medicaid

14.             Do not permit any government related health insurance program

But he wishes to have this done with a smile on his face; along with a willingness to hear the other side out and then proceed with all his aims anyway.

Get rid of abortion and gay rights as federal issues. Leave it up to the states.  Then he fights with Chris Matthews who is amoral while jughead is immoral, and finally admits he will spend his time stopping abortion rights in all fifty states anyway.

This week, jughead has taken a page out of the standard repub manual. He repeats the same chorus. But his new rant/chant is the phrase: Two trillion dollars.  The ten year plan being contemplated by the dems--with the first plan coming right out of Teddy's Office--would eventually 'cost' the taxpayers 1.5 trillion dollars.  Jughead wishes to simply round up saying that he has somehow spoken with 'experts' who told him that the two trillion dollar figure is not that 'far off' from the actual cost. 

Every single paragraph and sometimes sentence coming out of this repub liar's mouth includes the words 'two trillion dollars'. Of course he adds other phrases like: debt put on our children. Or 'over and above the budget we already have that is not working.'  Or 'the government bureaucrat will stand between you and your doctor.'

So let us examine some of these statements from the latest spokesman for Starbucks Coffee.

For a general look at this conservative's stance on issues: http://ontheissues.org/FL/Joe_Scarborough.htm

1.                The 'two trillion dollars' will not help Americans one iota.

2.                This is just not 'the time' to do anything about health care

3.                This is just not 'the time' to attempt to help 47 million people who have no health insurance

4.                Under Obama's plans there will be a government bureaucrat standing between the patient and his doctor.

5.                We owe too much money as it is and the Chinese will eventually take over the country

6.                People have been sick and without access to medical care for hundreds of years, why the hurry to do something for them now?

7.                Republicans are being kept out of the 'loop' with regard to amending our health care system.

8.                all dems are poopy pants who wish to tax and spend

9.                The 'two trillion dollars' will not help Americans one iota.

TWO TRILLION DOLLARS

Senator Edward Kennedy presented his 615-page health care plan on Tuesday, kicking off Congress' debate on how to overhaul the nation's health care system. There is still no consensus on how large a role the federal government should play or how to finance the $1.5 trillion cost over the next decade. Kennedy's plan includes a powerful government oversight structure for insurance, would require private insurers to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions, and would make health insurance mandatory. Kennedy specifically left out new coverage requirements on businesses and a government insurance plan that would compete with private insurance companies to avoid antagonizing Republicans. Many were still furious and say the bill is being rushed through. The bill offers subsidies to people making up to five times the federal definition of the poverty line. Read it at Los Angeles Times Posted at 11:29 PM, Jun 9, 2009 (Daily Beast)

So the first plan that is being proffered, naturally by Ted Kennedy, hints at 1.5 trillion dollars as a ten year cost. It is 615 pages. I have not read it and neither has jughead.

But just take a look at this link: http://www.kaiseredu.org/topics_im.asp?imID=1&parentID=61&id=358

Our health costs are over 2 trillion dollars a year, not per decade. And they jump up double digits, percentage wise, EVERY GODDAMNABLE YEAR.  Monies are being scooped up faster into the corporate coffers in the current 'system' faster than the 12 billion dollar cash pile was in the streets of Bagdad not so long ago.

IF NOT NOW, WHEN?

Of course we have to act now. You want to wait five years for the figure to double? All you have to do is trace the cost rise over the last five years.  IT WILL DOUBLE IN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS IF WE DO NOT DO SOMETHING NOW!!! And if it doubles, WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM?

FORGET THE 47 MILLION AMERICANS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE

Do we not have enough workhouses and prisons?

THE GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT

So who in the hell is standing between the patient and his doctor now you idiot?  Oh yeah, you are in good hands with allstate or state farm or bcbs or....OH FORGET IT!

THE CHINESE SOLUTION

What, are the Chinese going to hire a bill collector?

WHAT IS THE HURRY?

Frankly I want to tax jughead 90% as soon as possible. I just cannot stand the son of a bitch.

REPUBLICANS OUT OF THE LOOP

Good idea actually. We sure the hell would come up with better plans than I have seen to date.

THE DEMS ARE POOPY PANTS

And so's your mother!!!!

TWO TRILLION DOLLARS AGAIN

Oh get off it!!!!

 

Joe Scarborough is an angry hateful conservative who wishes to keep the class lines sharp in this country. He wishes to present a persona that is somehow viewed as reasonable and courteous.

BUT HE IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN RUSH.

 



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F-ck you, Joe Scarborough!

Ah, I feel so much better now....

Most excellent rant, Dickon, most excellent.

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Why thank you LisB....This is one to fear, believe me. He attempts to come across as reasonable and the big web sites eat it up.

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What she said ↑

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GTFOOH now ya got me laughing. hahahaha

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Co-sign.

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Co-signing and repeating, F&ck you, Joe Scarborough.

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I saw Joe promoting his book all day on MSNBC and I figured it was only a matter of time before you posted about him. To think that Joe is even more dangerous than Rush is compelling and I'm going to need to ponder that perspective some more.

Joe is pushing talking points that attempt to feign distance between him and the "conservative policies" of the Republican party over the last decade. Republicans now claiming to be the "true conservatives" characterize the out of control spending, massive deficits and giant economic and military overreach of the last eight years in two ways:

1) it was "necessary due to the wars." (Of course, pay no attention to the fact that the wars were unnecessary. And also, isn't it interesting that they have no problem granting themselves the "extraordinary circumstances" defense for their spending but now that Obama has to clean up the complete economic collapse they caused, somehow, "extraordinary circumstances" is no longer valid?)

2) Like Abu Ghraib, "it was just a few bad actors" that led us astray from American conservative ideals.

Both of the points put forth are dead on arrival.

DD, while I know the intent of your post was to better define who Joe is--his temperament, I don't know that drudging up the female aide story was necessary. It comes across as more hit job than pinpoint political critique. That is only my humble opinion, and I hope you respect me for having the courage to express it.

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Ah, you could be correct on your conclusion there Gary. But I have been watching him hit below the belt for years now. He is a hypocrite. But then again most repubs are.

I juxtapose your assertion--which I happen to agree with--to Lousgirl84's comment.

I, frankly had never heard of this (scandal) until today. Right or wrong, if this sob runs for president in four or eight years, you and I are going to hear a lot more about this death. And his divorce.

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DD, hypocrisy is one of our most abundant natural resources and no doubt, Joe Scarborough needs to put a cap on his emissions:)

I wish all politicians would.

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DD and Gary --
I lived in Pensacola for a few years -- Jughead's home turf -- and I promise you that EVERYONE there knows about the mysterious death of the office aide, and everyone in the legal community there who is not related to Jughead, or one of his former partners, is so sure there was a cover-up that the common response is a dismissive wave of the hand, as if to say: "Is there a question about this?"
Consider, now, the fate of Mrs. Scarborough #2 -- left behind in Pensacola with a new baby, while Jughead lives in New York, and drops by occasionally.
These observations, would, in principle, be out of bounds as pertaining to a public person's personal life. But, when will Jughead stop doing damage, whether publicly, or privately?

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Interesting. As I noted here somewhere Belle, I never HEARD of this until today.

I am surprised really when people do not call me out for beating a dead horse. Maybe because this guy aint dead.

There is something kind of psycho about him.

But, then again, I aint that clear thinkin' either. Ha

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Correction -- I shouldn't have said "fate" of Mrs. Scarborough #2, but rather, "plight. I was not suggesting that she need worry for her life... only perhaps her sanity.

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No, it wasn't "dredging up" - it's been fairly well known for some time. No real surprises, and that extends to no real investigation.

I can't say for sure Jughead did it. I also can't say he didn't. So I will not assert either.

All I know is that when I saw him in person at the RNC, something just...didn't...feel...right. Something. Not sure what.

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Now that is interesting. An in person sighting at the time. ha

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You know I share your views on Scarborough. Thanks for the rant.

Though I don't see Jughead as having as much power as you may. He seems like an untilligent mouse with his chest puffed out to me. He thinks he knows somthing... but he talks and acts like a fool.

I write occasionally to MSNBC and remind them that this guy belongs on Fox News and I have also asked Rachel, Keith, and Ed if they ever call 'Joe' to task for things 'he' says on their network the same way they would with Rush or O'Reilly et al. I haven't seen any evidence of that and it seems hypocritical. Well, okay, Ed did go on Joe's show once that I know of and debated him on something but that's not the same thing.

I was SOOOOOO thrilled with Jon Stewart's show on Monday 6/9/09. He dealt with a few things in the news that night, including Jughead, and Fox News lies about the president's speech in Egypt. I send him a big dolphin kiss for that!

I actually hope that Jon Stewart starts ignoring Jughead though because he will do anything to get more media attention to try to sell his book right now. In fact I wonder if he tried to get on Stewart's show and got shut down?

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Sync, you never let go. I am starting to learn that lesson from you.

AFter all, the bad guys are getting a little nervous about TPM. HA!!!

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he is probably already booked and wants more exposure

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Kind of doubt he would go on the show after Jon called him a douche. He must realize that Jon would wipe the floor with with all of us laughing the whole time. Joe seems like the kind of guy who does not deal well with being the butt of a joke.

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COLBERT?

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Thank you for all the goods on Scarborough. I have been letting people know about the Lori Klautsutis incident for years. Talk about a cover up and not too long after that, Joe's wife divorced him.

He is a very very angry man capable of anything, like most disgusting republicans

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Well old jughead is a family values kind of guy, always talking about his beloved wife and kids--no Lousgirl. You must have the facts wrong. I mean murder yes. BUT DIVORCE? HA!!

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I hear ya

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Dick, you really need to learn how to get things off your chest. I mean - if you feel it, say it! Holding back like this just isn't good for your blood pressure.

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Well its my own self education related to Zen. Missy, I read and I contemplate.

AND THEN I LET THE BASTARDS HAVE IT!!! HA

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DD -- side note: Here's a new experience; my comment on Rutabaga's thread is being "held by blogger for review" even though my comment consisted solely of links to three articles further explicating, and sympathizing with his topic. Interesting that, eh? Apparently no forgive and forget for Mr. Baga.

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links to three articles

Three links is one link to far...

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Yep, at TPM its a Two Link Maximum, even at happy hour.

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groan...

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Ha. My mistake. Exactly what CT was complaining about when he said people of a certain age cannot seem to grasp tech requirements... so true. Too bad when for once I was providing footnotes. Thanks.

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I hate to INTERUPT THIS MESSAGE!!!

Has anyone heard from OLD GROUCH today?
I am concerned: He was very upset with me yesterday, and with today’s events. It has given me pause.
I have only come here because Dick has so many following him today.

I looked on his BIO site but it is not useful.

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It should have read I looked on Old Grouch's bio

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I corresponded with grouch this morning. Unlike me he has a life. He works.

If I recall he is doing a gig today.

He does not let his hobby (blogging) get him down.

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Do you have any notions on what Resistance was implying, DD?

(I am no longer addressing any comments to him. Not worth the aggravation.)

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I have no frigging idea frankly. And I laugh because I cannot imagine you running away because somebody called you poopy pants

this is ridiculous.

But then again, I am kind of ridiculous.

hahahahahaha

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Well he seems to have a somewhat exaggerated sense of his own importance...

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No need to respond back.
When we last communicated you were Extremely agitated.

Your username say's OLD.
I wanted to make sure your blood pressure didn't cause a stroke or something.

Goodbye

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Really though, it bothered me all day, I am relieved, I wouldn't want the bloodguilt, if something I said caused you harm.

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Righteous rant, Mr.Day. There is a lot to worry about when a temperamental man in a public position portrays himself as a reasonable man. Quite dangerous, as you say.

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I am telling you Flower, this man has an agenda. He keeps an ill informed and ill spoken lady with him as a front to make us think there is a team who is even handed and even headed.

He has three others who always nod in agreement to everything he says and who make sure they repeat his repetitive phrases.

Oh well, I go on when I already had my chance to go on and on and on and on!!

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Simon & Garfunkel - Scarborough Fair with Lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVP4OE1X7XQ

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Great post DD - as usual. Sorry you could not have sounded a bit more angry though.Hahahahahaha

After listening to people here talk about Jughead (who I had never watched) I was curious and tuned him in one morning - I didn't last too long with him before I had to tune him out. Reminded me of Rush too much. I have never been able to tolerate Rush even when I was fully implanted on the other side of the fence.......

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I thought I held back on this one Maggie. Ha!!!

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Terrific post. Watched Scar on Rose (PBS) a few months ago and it was the most rational (sane) I have ever seen him.

dd, as always, thanks for another timely and informative post with added bonuses in the delivery and substance.

(Ironically and sadly, Rush's quote of the day I read on other site is 'Like God, Obama doesn't have a birth certificate'. Short time later, one of the 'birthers' entered the Holocaust Museum and well .......)

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There is something happening here, in this country. And it is scary. It is like w kept the right wing nuts in line.

There is a lot of anger out there in people with guns.

I do not know what will come next Auntie. But watch old jughead. He is movin' on up to the big time.

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Hey DD I put the Love's In Need of Love song on roots blog after I read your comment there:)

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Ha!!!

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You are a "ranter extraordinaire", my dear Arthur...I'm glad you are able to get it out of your system otherwise you'd be havin' a flippin' heart attack!

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It really does invigorate me Stilli. No kidding. So much fun. So many different ways of finding information.

So many different ways of framing an issue.

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"Monkeyface Gregory"! HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Scarborough is below my radar, as I rarely awake early enough to see him, and I don't have a tv that would bring him into my home anyway. Sounds like a bona fide horses ass nonetheless. And for my money, on the health care debate, I'm with Scarborough, the Dems are poopy pants. I'll be amazed if they deliver a plan that doesn't have the single payer option neutered before it reaches the floor of the senate or house. Great rant amigo! Rec'd.

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Thanks Miguel. Believe me you are missing nothing except I think that the new repub talking points are being drawn up on Mornin' Joke. I really do!!!

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Dickday "YOU GO GIRL" thats a new hip phrase I just learned from my granddaughter, not so sure when its appropriate to use though. I dont know this Jughead Jerkel guy since I dont watch much tv,you are my tv sir, but if you say he is an angry weany I take it as fact.

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As I have told at least three people today DonDi, watch out for this guy.

He is getting good press and does not deserve a minute of it. ha!!!

Hey congrats on a monster blog today!!!!

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Ok DD I will watch out for him! I was off work today but feel like I did a days work answering the comments on the blog as you taught me to do.

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What really bothers me is that Mika Brzezinski co-hosts with him. I mean, I know we grow up and rebel, but then we grow up some more and figure out our parents might have known something after all. Isn't it time for Mika to figure it out? Didn't Barbara Walters do enough to encourage her along the way?

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Gregor, I am sure I watch her (at least with my back turned to the tv) more than you. She has no 'presence'. She cannot put three sentences together.
She could not form an argument if her life depended on it.

That is why she is there.

Her father is a genius.

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Excellent Expozay!

Jughead creeps me out in so many ways.
I think he is one of the most
practiced at the rightwing smirk.

He used to ruin some of my nights.
I just can’t watch him anymore.
And a 90% tax on him sounds more than reasonable.

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First Strato, 'rightwing smirk' is a terrific moniker. He is doing that smirk right now.

Second, you are the only one who has picked up on my new tax plan. Ha!!!

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Your Jughead rants are among my favorites, dd. (Didn't the now infamous phrase "enhanced infrastructure" come from a jughead rant?)

Anyway, thanks for watching and reporting on jughead's antics so I don't have to. :-)

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Stay away, puppy dog from the evil leader of the dog pound police. Ha!!!

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Well spoken, this guy raises sanctimonious to an entirely new level.

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Jonnienohand, thanks for stopping by. He had on his republican smirk again as my friend above you put it. And as I stated before, he is dangerous if he keeps this persona going.

Great avatar. and extremely interesting aka

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Thanks for compliment on avatar. It is bit of my work and is titled "Peace". As for aka I was born with no hands and have held the nickname "jonnienohands" dearly; as, it was given by people with only love in their hearts. I have another nickname in Britain "harmless jon" spoken with Cockney accent. It was given by daughters (ages 6 and 8) of close friend.

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You have many stories to tell Jonnie and I await an opportunity to read a few of them.

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No fan of Jughead's, but: "Heart attack" doesn't mean that your heart has necessarily stopped, DD, it can be irregular for quite some time before it stops, with the irregularity being enough to make you feel pain, or pass out or a number of other things. The several hematomas could be very troubling depending on location, and I'd really like to know where the 7-inch crack was located.

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I was not impressed by the 'diagnosis' here; the post mortem. Not at all. I cut and pasted because it represented what I found in many different links on several sites. The actual post mortem here appears like something in 100 tv dramas I have watched. One cannot come to any conclusion without seeing the entire file, the photos...

Perhaps I should have skipped it, but I gave other reasons for including it above. I mean he got a divorce and quit Congress in the middle of a term.

He also uses any rumor he can find to attack his enemies. He deserves a little payback.

Probably small of me but I really dislike this guy.

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/reort_before_congressional_run_scarborough_represented_k.php#more

So, DD, how do you like him now?!?!?! Probably already writing a postortwo about this.

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Not me at this time Gregor. I am back in fantasy land today.

I read this and it shows up all over the web--referencing TPM.

What it does is underline jughead's right wing affiliations really.

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That, ande casts an ominous shadow over him as well. Deserved or not, the relationship leads to many questions.

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Excellent analysis.

And what a whore this Morning Joe fellow is. It seems like the past two weeks -- although it may have been just this week -- he has had "guests" on his show to debate him about his book. And he has his little tool, Mika lastnametoohardtospell, introduce him as though he's a guest. I can't remember any show host, except maybe Savage, use his program to hawk his own wares so much as Scarborough.

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The book and Starbucks, Bill. He is shameless. Mika's is an idiot. I mean she might be a nice person, but she makes hannity's old partner look like a genius!!!

He wants to make a lot of money. Three hours on tv and two on the radio. Although he takes a lot of breaks.

But I think he may really be attempting to get back on the political stage. That is why I feel he is dangerous.

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The only time I see this Joe guy is in The Day in 100 Minutes. I would not even think of tuning into the show of another mentally unbalanced republican. Dickday, you have loads of patience, even when you rant.

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Cletus, thanks for chiming in. I need to know what the enemy is thinking and I cannot watch Fox and I no longer read the WSJ.

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I meant The Day in 100 Seconds.

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