PUBLIC HEALTH
What is public health? What are public health concerns? We have many discussions about access to health providers.
What exactly are we talking about when we discuss these issues?
Cable news will spend hours upon hours discussing the swine flu epidemic that never takes place. Yet I find this information on some AOL site:
Latest on Swine Flu
By AOL Health
Editors
In response to the number of confirmed swine influenza cases in the
Now that gives us no date, but later in the squib (hardly
an article) we get a date of
A lot of money, taxpayer money has been paid to prevent this problem.
Now we get the fear on the tellie. The fear gets us thinking about millions of people dead and tens of millions of people severely handicapped for at least some significant period of time.
I watch one conservative pundit on MSNBC yesterday respond in a rather queer manner to the question of uninsured Americans. He was asked what should be done with the 47 million people who are officially documented as having no health insurance.
He said: Oh, they
are taken care of. There are 'places'
they can go.
Okay. At least this fascist was honest. I mean as Scrooge put it:
Are there not
enough workhouses? Are there not enough prisons?
And speaking of the two million inmates of our prison
system, they must be provided medical care. One infected inmate or guard could
wipe out an entire prison population.
Except for those who live in gated communities, all the economic classes interact on some level. Even gated communities have Nicaraguan gardeners after all. A group of people, a small group of people, somehow 'catch' a virus and it could spread like wild fire across this country and then across the globe.
It becomes a national security issue. If we do not have a system in place in this country that includes everyone, how and when will we detect the ultimate virus?
And that system had better be in place to give physical examinations
of some kind to all. Or how else would we catch the virus, so to speak. That is
how could the virus be detected so that we all do not catch the virus?
But the MSM, as people like to refer to it, spends all this time on the fear of a swine flu epidemic, but does not discuss fifty million people who have no access to medical care at all. Except maybe, there are places these people can go.
I picked this up on one site:
BACKGROUND: The Forty-Ninth World
Health Assembly recently declared violence a worldwide public health
problem. Improved understand of cross-national differences is useful
for identifying risk factors and may facilitate prevention efforts.
Few cross-national studies, however, have explored firearm-related deaths. We compared the
incidence of firearm-related deaths among 36 countries.
RESULTS: During the one-year study period, 88 649 firearm deaths
were reported. Overall firearm mortality rates are five to six times
higher in HI and UMI countries in the
I attempted to get up to date numbers on gun deaths in this country and had a pickle of a time. The best I could doe was find this:
1993 there were 35,595
in the
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214
The Brady site says there have been 30,000 American deaths per year as a result of gun shots for decades.
http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/exporting-gun-violence.pdf
But I cannot find the simple figures, year by year. I do not have two weeks to do this, but surely others have found the real figures. I just hear them bandied about all the timeI just wonder, if there is one sixth of the population that has no access to medical care, how do we get our information? Sure, deaths may be pretty well documented. The police, we assume, find the corpses. And the morgues I assume do the documentation with death certificates. But figures on those permanently injured by gun shots? How do we find that number? ERs surely must report gun shot victims to the police I suppose.
The reason I was caught by these 'figures' was that the lowest economic classes are victims of gun fire. If 30-35 thousand people die every year from gun fire, should we assume three times that number a permanently injured by gun fire? And after the ER takes out their bullet(s), what kind of after care do they get. What kind of follow up for rehab or even infection is available?
I found several good sites with regard to car accidents. Basically there are 40-43 thousand car-related deaths every year and a couple million people injured. http://www.sciencelobby.com/spellcheck/c/car_accidents_statistics.html
No-fault insurance usually takes care of those
injured. But there would be many left out of the loop.
By the way, I kind of worked in this area for decades, and follow up for medical care is not that easy. If you are poor and have no health insurance, do not get in car accidents.
What is the point of this blog? I am not sure.
Gun control of some sort is a public health concern from a national perspective as well as a global perspective.
Automobile accidents cause most problems in one year than most wars do during their entire duration.
I will end by referencing something by Kstone on this site:
Kstone: Right. More smokers means more lung cancer, heart disease and
other illnesses. According to the CDC, about 443,000 Americans die from
smoking-related illnesses each year. http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/kstone/2009/06/getting-smokers-at-both-ends-h.php
What
kind of 'follow up' do uninsured people who have been diagnosed with cancer get in this country?
















DD - just a passing question: Are you familiar with the work of Laurie Garrett?
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/index_home.html
Serious public health reporter - very interesting stuff.
June 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Grouch, but you can bet I am going to learn a lot about her.
How can you handle a plague if there is not adequate health care for all?
Thank you for this.
June 9, 2009 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can't. That's her point.
June 9, 2009 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, and smokers pay more taxes too
even if we can’t
get jobs or health care.
But I think it’s free
to pick up a case of swine flu at the supermarket.
Another way to kill-off the uninsured.
June 9, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is isn't it? Yeah, sometimes I think that there is a conspiracy to kill the lower quarter of this country or at least send them south of the border.
But if a million people in this country gets sick, the rich are f...ked. ha
June 9, 2009 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chantix works, assuming you would like to quit. (Beware depression, though.)
June 9, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does that require a perscription?
oops
June 9, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, 'scrip required. And it is actually more expensive than cigarettes (in MA, where it's ~$7.50/pack)
I'd say beware mania and insomnia too - a couple weeks without a full REM cycle and you are not going to be OK - you won't even be able to see OK from where you are.
In re: smoking-related illnesses - are all lung cancer deaths so considered? Only those victims who smoked? Or did they get granular and establish conclusively that cigarettes were the cause of cancer in each case?
I would imagine that someone who is obese, sedentary, regularly exposed to high levels of ground-level ozone, works with industrial chmicals, has a family history of heart disease, is a smoker, and dies of congestive heart failure would be listed among the smoking related deaths whether it was a factor or not.
June 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kenga, I just caught this reply to Bwak. I am no so sure it is that easy.
Take a look at a death certificate sometime. We know from our own experiences in life that there are rarely instances in reality where there is one cause for something. Certainly there are only a small percentage of people who actually die from one cause.
I am a smoker and will be one of those, I am sure, who will die a year or two earlier than 'slated' as if that can be projected. Already I have gone past the birthday where one would pause and consider that I somehow lost my best years.
I have thought about doing a blog on just this issue sometime. But we need more than one.
June 10, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I just checked my dashboard to find you'd replied ...
I took a few minutes at the site to skim the study, some of the related and sourced materials, and did a little searching. I read very quickly, so I was more thorough than you might expect.
I couldn't find a definition for "smoking-attributable death".
Not in the study itself, the references provided in the summary, nor on the site itself.
So I don't have any frame of reference for what that actually means.
I find that somewhat troubling.
That's not to say there wasn't one, but I couldn't find it.
Oh well. Think I'll go have a butt and think about it.
June 15, 2009 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
None. They die just like some poor peasant in a third world country.
June 9, 2009 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got that right sweetie.
June 9, 2009 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since everyone dies, we only talk about premature or unpleasant death. There will always be ways of dying by accident, and the safety of driving is a compromise, as is all safety in a mechanical civilization. We consider Germany highly civilized but they prefer to live a bit more dangerously in some ways, like fast driving speeds and mountain paths without railings.
A virtue of a comprehensive national health system would be to force a consensus on what is appropriate life extension and heroic intervention. It is the unequal access to prevention and treatment that is bothersome, not that people will still die of age, disease, or accident.
June 9, 2009 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very well put Tom. Risk/benefit will always be with us.
I often wonder, how many people over the age of 80 are listed as having died of smoking? Or just cancer. or heart failure.
I mean what does substantial contributing cause mean? What does 'cause of death' actually mean?
I was thinking of getting further into this later on.
June 9, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Chantix takes a prescription. I'm taking it not, but it's only working so-so. Not giving up on it though.
June 9, 2009 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh hi Scotty.
June 9, 2009 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
good post dickday, must be picking up your thought signals. Ive been thinking about public health all day, especially single payer health care.This is a corner stone issue and Im glad our President sees it as such. Health care has become like leech therapy of old, bleeding us anemic, and almost half of us are not even insured, as he says the way things are is unsustainable.Thanks DD
June 10, 2009 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
DonDi I feel that the 'Public Health' issue goes beyond single payer health insurance. There are so many issues.
How many people in this country get a 'physical exam'?
On the other hand, I do not see any way to address public health without a single payer system or at least a system that offers a government program.
June 10, 2009 7:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
dd, GOOD blog! The New York Times had an article this week on the increase in "medical tourism", where Americans go overseas for surgeries. Blue Cross Blue Shield even offers incentives and travel expenses for people to go overseas if they can.
That sound you just heard was another right wing talking point hitting the dusty dirt.
Also, try NationMaster for your stats. From this page, you can drill deeper into each country, etc. Hope this helps. :-)
June 10, 2009 6:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for this Seashell. Can anyone imagine that BCBS would send its insured to another country.
June 10, 2009 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it possible that you are searching for the answer to: Where does Public Health leave off and Private Health Insurance begin?
Hmmm..
June 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
.....and when single-payer or some such does become a reality, how will the two mesh together to give the people the health coverage that is their right?
June 10, 2009 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah Flower. Is it health care that this nation needs or health care insurance? I am just hinting that there are more issues here than meet the eye.
June 10, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for opening the eyes of this ex-conservative. Never realized the extent of discrimanatory health care in this country. And the idea of BCBS sending patients to other countries is mind boggling.
The one statistic in your report that really gets to me is the one where auto accident rates are higher in one year than war related problems in that same time frame. Astounding. I wonder how many of those automobile accidents and deaths are caused by drunk driving.
I am fortunate to have Medicare and supplemental health care. I do have problems with my pharmaceutical costs and would like to see the companies that cause these high costs reined in.
How people under 65 and without medical insurance manage is beyond me.
Thanks for an eye opening and well researched post.
June 10, 2009 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
This drug problem has to be addressed. Americans are getting ripped off. And it all has to do with the bush giveaway.
June 10, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did the research for my folks regarding their Medicare Prescription Plan this year. 4 years of college and I have no way of knowing for sure I got them the best plan. I am appaulled we have so many pigs at the trough trying to get their cut from an elderly person;'s trip to the drug store. Do we really need all those companies involved in this when we have such fine computer systems?!?!?
June 10, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
No.
Gregor, there are simple answers to some questions.
This drug give away by w's administration, alone, has cause so much pain and suffering. But it has added to this incessant growth in funds being expended on our health care.
June 10, 2009 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do we really need all those companies involved in this when we have such fine computer systems?!?!?
I'd say we need to thin the swineherd and make us some bacon!
June 15, 2009 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink