Pardon Me!

Sometimes I
think the whole world is one big prison yard
Some of us are
criminals
The other of us
are guards
bob dylan
Fyodor Dostoevsky, the great Russian writer had an interesting life. They say he wrote Crime and Punishment in seven days. The 19th century Russian mob was evidently a little frustrated with him over some gambling debts, and he had to work fast. Earlier in his life he had run into problems with the real Russian mob headed by the Tsar.
It seems that the Russian intelligentsia was into penny newspapers in the middle of the 19th century, much like many Americans. Young Fyodor was not that happy with the forces that be and was involved in distributing these flyers in an attempt to organize a new wave, so to speak.
Well the Tsar and his minions did not like this 'new wave' and Fyodor found himself in the midst of a round-up. As he stood on the gallows waiting for the trap to open sending him to his death with a rope around his neck, he and his compadres were given a pardon.
Needless to say this stuck in Dostoevsky's mind for the rest of his life and he includes the incident in another of his great books: The Idiot. The main character in that novel was granted executive clemency at the last minute in a similar manner as the writer.
Yesterday, one of my favorite Senators, Jim Webb wrote:
How broken? The numbers are stark:
• The
• More than 2.38 million Americans are
now in prison, and another 5 million remain on probation or parole. That
amounts to 1 in every 31 adults in the
• Incarcerated drug offenders have
soared 1200% since 1980, up from 41,000 to 500,000 in 2008; and
• 60% of offenders are arrested for
non-violent offensives--many driven by mental illness or drug addiction.
Numbers only tell part of the story.
I hit this issue once every week or so, in my most inimitable fashion, but here is a man who has real power and knows how to write a hell of a lot better than a dufus in his pajamas. He takes four sentences to sum up my main argument that this issue must be addressed. And it must be addressed now.
When I was a college kid I was blown away by two instances of totalitarianism.
The first instance of course involved Nazi Germany and the internment camps. Six million Jews and six million other human beings (consisting of Catholics, Gypsies, mentally ill, mentally retarded....) were exterminated.
The
second instance involved Stalinist Russia which had its own dalliance in
extermination but which also incarcerated some ten million people in the
Gulags. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote much about this horrible prison system including
his The Gulag Archipelago and One Day in the Life of Ivan
Denisovich.
The numbers just astounded me along with the living conditions of these Soviet prisoners. The death rate was astounding.
But times have changed. And now we, the richest country in the world and supposedly the freest, have the largest prison population. To reach 25% of the numbers reached by Soviet Russian sickens me.
Oh, but these are American Prisons, not gulags. Well that is a subject of another blog, but I just would like to underline that two and a half million people are not sitting around and playing tennis and watching cable tv.
And as I like to point out we have more prisoners than Red China (remember
that term before Murdoch and the other fascist corporate pigs started making
money over there?). Now it turns out that
How did we end up in this situation? Well there are many reasons.
First, as the Senator points out, the incarceration of felons involved in non-violent drug crimes escalated from 40,000 to 500,000 thousand since the War On Drugs program was initiated. So according to Webb's figures a little over 20% of our prison population are their because of drug usage and some dealing. No one I ever knew who had a drug habit, did not also deal a little in order to keep in stock as they say. So this is not the entire reason behind our huge incarceration rate but it is a substantial contributing cause.
When the cable channels run out of reality show reruns along with the reruns
of their dramas and sitcoms they air those reality cop shows. It always slays
me when the date on the video say
Oh, well heres a large catch of marijuana exclaims the officer. It's a baggie half full of weed. All the while the background is a Jamaican jingo playing; Bad Boys.
I feel safer, don't you?
Webb adds:
While heavily focused on non-violent
offenders, law enforcement has been distracted from pursuing the approximately
one million gang members and drug cartels besieging our cities, often engaging
in unprecedented levels of violence. Gangs in some areas commit 80% of the
crimes and are heavily involved in drug distribution and other violent
activities. This disturbing trend affects every community in the
In a previous blog I noted that something around 10,000 deaths by gun fire can be attributed to gang activity. Gangs and gang violence should be examined in another post, but if there are a million men involved in violent gangs in this country, how many innocent people live in fear every single day in this country?
Senator Webb goes on to discuss the violence and misery of our prisoners, the immense problems facing those who are released and a program he is working on with Senator Leahy to look into this mess.
The goal of this legislation is
nothing less than a complete restructuring of the criminal justice system in
the
Fixing our system will require us to reexamine who goes to prison, for how long and how we address the long-term consequences of their incarceration. Our failure to address these problems cuts against the notion that we are a society founded on fundamental fairness.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-jim-webb/why-we-must-reform-our-cr_b_214130.html
I started this post with a discussion of Fyodor for a reason.
I find it fascinating that every Thanksgiving our Commander in Chief pardons a turkey.
I also find it fascinating that in a land where we incarcerate 2.5 million people at any one time, a couple hundred pardons might be issued--usually granted to a few members of the upper crust of society.
Carter presented an older version of the 'pardon' and its use by the ruler of a country. He actually 'pardoned' tens of thousands of citizens in on felled swoop. Oh we can get into the niceties of pardon, commutation of sentences and amnesty or even look into probation.
But Jimmy Carter's amnesty just said: Look the Vietnam War is over. Let us really put it behind us. Let us begin anew. Everyone in prison at the time for draft related offenses and everyone involved in draft related offenses were freed from prison and freed from further prosecution.
Back in 1969 I was in college and having filled out the proper draft form, I was exempt from military service. My draft number that year was 9. In 1970 my draft number was 309. I was sick and tired of being in the running so to speak. So in 1970, even though I was a member of the Honors Society, I just declined to fill in the form requesting the exemption. That activated my number. However, later that year I was working in the college library and picked up a paper and discovered that the Selective Service System had reached 270 AND IT WAS ONLY SEPTEMBER. HA!!! A week later Nixon let me off the hook by stopping at that number for the year. Phew as they say.
But I guess the real story was that in 1969 me and my buddies were sitting in my basement. We were all drunker than skunks and I got into an argument over the draft with someone who never even served in the armed forces. I pulled out my draft card. Now there was the draft card and attached to it was some receipt thingy. So thinking I was clever, I pulled off the receipt and burned it right there and then.
Of course I woke up in the morning with a tremendous hangover and discovered to my dismay that I had indeed burned my draft card. Hahahahahahahha That was a federal offense.
I was never prosecuted. I mean, who would know?
Kids like me were hiding in
President Carter did not just pull this idea out of his ass. There is a long
history in
Another great example of the pardon, more specifically the reprieve occurred
in
All
prisoners in the
Governor George Ryan, a Republican who leaves office on Monday,
told 156 inmates on death row that they no longer face dying by lethal injection. The unprecedented move, the most radical since the
death penalty was reintroduced in 1976, is likely to spark a furious debate
across the
"I'm going to sleep well tonight knowing that I
made the right decision," said Governor Ryan.
"Because the
On Friday, Governor Ryan pardoned four death row
inmates convicted of murder, all of whom said that confessions were beaten out
of them by police in
Leroy Orange, one of the men pardoned, was at
Mr Orange, who had spent 19 years in prison after being
convicted of fatal stabbings, spoke of his relief at being released.
"A lot of pressure was lifted from me that I
didn't realise was on
I would really like to see a real, concrete use of the pardon as a tool to clean out our prisons. Why not figure out a way to release at least a quarter of our prisoners?













A little additional grist for your ever-turning mill, DD: Let's find ways to reintegrate released non-violent offenders into society in ways that give them much more of a stake in the stability of this society.
(Yes, I'm digging up Judge Challeen's thesis again here...)
Let's start by realizing, all of us, that yes, our criminal justice system (how's that for wretched rhetorical phrasing?) is broken. That breakage is not sui generis, however. It is a symptom of a much farther-reaching trail of damage. We as a society are far too steeped in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" Calvinism of bygone days, while rewarding those who "get away with it" at the upper reaches. This leads us to Woody Guthrie's differentiation of robbing people with a gun or a pen. We all know how that works, we've just seen it clearly demonstrated. Can we overestimate the amount of damage such dangerous dichotomies produce?
Virtue is, far too often, not its own reward. And in reality, we ought to expect that there would be a bit more positive reinforcement for well-lived lives, and less of an emphasis on the negative consequences.
All that said, I do suspect there are some hardwired things in human nature that will make such a vision - if I can call it that - a challenge to develop.
And now, to the ultimate extension of your post today, capital punishment, I will say: While I shed no tears over McVeigh, Bundy, Gacy, or some of the others who have met their end at the executioner's hand, Gov. Ryan did one right thing in commutation.
Here's why.
We are fallible. All of us. In some it leads to small, amusing mistakes, in some it generates tragic self-harm, in a few (yet still far too many) it produces violently antisocial actions. The taking of another's life, be it a crime of negligence, passion, or premeditation, must be addressed. And no one who does so with premeditation should ever be free to do so again. That means life, not death. If for no other reason than that eyewitnesses are often wrong, interested parties sometimes lie on the stand, and tragically, sometimes law enforcement just wants to close a file in the most convenient manner. And if, as Sen. Kerry so eloquently asked in his Vietnam Veterans Against the War days, we can not ask someone to be the last man to die for a mistake, how can we ask even a convict do do so?
Well, I've wandered a bit here, it would seem. I'm interested in your thoughts on my thoughts, though.
June 12, 2009 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wander all you wish Grouch. Others should be given a chance to read your comment and I hereby award you my insignificant Comment of the Day Award for this here TPMCafe site given to all of you from all of me. I especially enjoyed this line Grouch:
This leads us to Woody Guthrie's differentiation of robbing people with a gun or a pen.
June 12, 2009 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just won the award for the most hypocritical poster here, Grouch.
You've repeatedly said you like to post insults for sport.
Your heart is corroded. Nothing will change that.
June 12, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Screw you, you pathetic little worm. Go apologize to your mother for being born .
You make it so very easy - you give me a large, slow-moving (and slow-witted) target.
I have a heart and a mind, and they are both very open to those who return civility. Since you do not, I openly proclaim my loathing of you. And since you're likely both too lazy and too flat-out dumb to look up the nature of the term, loathing is the proper response to that which is disgusting. You, in a nutshell.
And this ends, it, Junior. This, is more than likely the end of anything addressed to you. About you...that may be another story, and one which you will no doubt prove incapable of reading.
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My apologies, DD, for the dusting of this little annoyance here. Your thread deserves far better than him.
June 12, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not understand this. He follows you around. No he attacked you Grouch, no need for apologies and it had nothing to do with your comment.
What is a mother to do?
June 12, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon?
(heh heh heh)
June 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
triple pun. It always takes me awhile. I was thinking in terms of Quinn. hahahaha
When I have that delay, that second where I can't figure out the message---makes it a lot funnier.
June 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Happy are the Peacemakers?
June 12, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is that the happier the peacemakers, the angrier the warmongers.
June 13, 2009 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
OG - Do not apologize for that which is not your fault, please.
Meanwhile, I'm rounding up the dogs in case we're needed. :-)
June 12, 2009 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The barnyard is on alert
June 12, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK!!!! With the whole barnyard on alert, worms have now been warned that a wet hurricane is coming!!
HazelNutz!!
(I just don't think this has the same flair as what it replaces, Wendy.)
June 12, 2009 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
We so enjoyed you when you were gone, CT. Don't you want to go back to wherever you were?
June 12, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I call for legs up, FDRdog!
:-)
June 12, 2009 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahahahah legs up
hahahahahha
June 12, 2009 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon me?
June 12, 2009 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its this damn tacos for lunch thing that I would rather not get into right now.
June 12, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome!!!
June 12, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Stateync. Thank you for making your presence known. Ha!
June 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post, DD. I would bet that better than half the citizens of these United States think putting pot users in prison for long terms is nuts. Webb's statistics are an eye-opener, for sure.
Bush couldn't change the law, because. . .well, because he had a HISTORY. So does Obama, but so what? Times are different now.
Prison terms are so arbitrary, anyway. You can kill someone and get less time than a cat burglar.
Glad to see that Leahy is involved, too. He's got what it takes.
Thanks for the info. (Good think nobody took Will's advice and kilt all the lawyers.)
June 12, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's good THING!! (I wasn't thinking.)
June 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Emphasis on maryjane is just ridiculous in this day and age. The only reason I do not smoke it--besides the fact of my economic situation--is that I never enjoyed it.
This is only one facet of the problem. But, as you point out, the arbitrary nature of sentencing throughout the fifty states demands that something be done. I mean federal monies do reach state prison systems.
Oh well. Thank you for your comments of course.
June 12, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pssst... I know a peeg that can get you absolved.
Oh, er, nevermind this is serious...
This is another american tragedy. The perspective of comparision to China is 'ouch'.
And the reality that so much crime committed by the 'wealthy'and/or 'elite' goes unenforced makes me want to pee on a royal person (or at least get Seashell to do it).
The more we really reflect on our country the more, well, embarrassing it is, like our ass is hanging out of our pants or something.
It's like we've been going around pronouncing to the rest of the world as if some 14 year old teenage boy that just dicovered how his willie works...'we are the most powerful nation in the world', 'we are the 'bomb' because we are a democracy' 'we are the leaders of the 'free' world'...
And you write a blog like this which is like some big guys like Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzeneggar walk up holding up a full length mirror and say 'hey girlie man, you've got a long way to go'.
I have to go search for some redeeming facts about our country right now to boost his self esteem... brb:)
June 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know Sync. I get a little depressed myself at times. Certainly for the last eight years when these matters were not even discussed.
But we need not fall into the hold of Noam Chomsky--whom I respect.
There is gooooood in this country. There is faith, hope and charity. But we 'lock away' some of our problems, away from public view.
We who love our country for its good and its potential are many in number.
June 12, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, you made me laugh and I woke up feeling very serious today. (Almost peed my pants over this one:)
June 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah... I understand cause 'crime' going 'unenforced' makes me wet myself... lucky I'm a dolphin. (but you probably knew what I meant);)
June 12, 2009 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You made me laugh by pointing that part out to me because I obviously wrote 'unenforced' instead of 'unpunished' but the truth is I could not stop laughing when I was writing that line so I was a bit delerious:)
June 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an equal opportunity pee-er, I pee on the hedges as well as the hedge funders.
I stand ready and willing to pee for my country.
;-)
June 12, 2009 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent I knew we could count on you Seashell. If they won't stand trial it's the least we could do.
June 12, 2009 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
(thunk)
June 12, 2009 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we continue to allow the privitization of prisons, we will see the same effect with that as we do with the ,military industrial complex and their advocacy for never-ending war. Once it becomes a profit center it is self-perpetuating. It becomes a Republican talking point that closing prisons is ruining someone's business, which is so much more troublesome then ruining their life.
ACK!!!
June 12, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I did not even get into that this time Gregor.
When you see these kind of numbers, these kind of percentages of our population involved in our penal system you wonder--how can we refer to it as our system of justice?
Of course I grew up with the 'law and order' crap from the repubs.
June 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, and I think in some areas, it's already there.
June 12, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
As you say, "two and a half million people are not sitting around and playing tennis and watching cable tv."
xxx
Some years ago I was close friends with a number of people who had been in prison. One of them told me of an incident: he was sitting in the mess eating lunch when a human ear landed next to his soup bowl. Suddenly, the man sitting next to him was bleeding profusely and missing his right ear.
My fried just kept on eating. He didn't dare turn around and look to see who had sliced off his table-mate's ear. If he had, he would have suffered the same fate or worse.
THAT is what goes on instead of tennis and cable tv.
June 12, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
icetree, that kind of story freezes my blood. Constant fear, for years and decades.
PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THE STORIES, stories about people we simply shut away and forget.
June 12, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spend 20 hours in any city or county lockup, and you will see a microchasm (sic?) of the system and its fundamental flaws.
June 13, 2009 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thats a good point. What is the definition of a totalitarian state; an authoritarian state?
June 13, 2009 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
DD -- I've thought a lot about what makes our national psyche so punitive, at least in cycles. And it seems to me that it has two likely causes:
1) the formative influence of three of the four original British Isle immigrants -- not just of the Puritans, but also the Tidewater and Highlander cultures as described in David Hackett Fischer's amazing study: ALBION'S SEED: Four British Folkways in America. According to Fischer, only the fourth of these immigrant groups, the Quaker culture, raised its children to believe in pacifism and tolerance as well as to have, hold and voice independent opinions of their own, even if they were at variance with the cultural status quo. The other three groups raised their children to subsume themselves in each culture's group think, and all three cultures were proponents of severe punishments of one sort or another.
I can't speak with any authority whatsoever about the attitudes, vis a vis crime and punishment, that were held by later immigrant cultures -- whether German, or Irish, or Italian or,
later still, Hispanic and Asian. But I do know that one thing all immigrants to America have had in common is a desire to assimilate -- to project, if not personally to believe in, what each group perceives as dominant American values. So the breath of fresh air that immigration might bring to this subject is quickly sabotaged by the human need, particularly in new circumstances, to belong.
Which brings me -- thanks to Moat's link about various forms of "otherness" on TPMGary's blog about trust -- to the second reason we may be so cyclically punitive. See:
http://books.google.com/books?id=ygVpD2h29LwC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=de+Baudrillard+,+perfect+crime&source=bl&ots=SxB1lzHQAs&sig=Xg_CDNWwrDKDiYJhYaDOYrP8C1g&hl=en&ei=t-MmSpOVM8GFtgeKvYXbBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#PPA115,M1
As Americans, we seem to have little tolerance for otherness, whether it is a question of gender, or sexual persuasion, or just about any other measure of otherness we can devise. And so, although we are a nation of immigrants, it seems that every time there is a major influx of immigration, there is a corresponding outbreak of ugly backlash. Ironic, yes? We are a nation of nothing but immigrants, and yet our national habit is to blame and revile and distance ourselves from whomever the other is at any given time.
One certainly doesn't have to be a Yankee to understand that this was, and still is, particularly egregious in our treatment of African Americans. In fact, the primary characteristic of the still stubborn, though slowly healing, south is the simple fact that African Americans are the one group of immigrants who obviously did not come to this country by choice, but they are whom we have persecuted and prosecuted in disproportionate numbers ever since.
So, it may seem simplistic as a correction to our deeply inculcated attitudes about crime and punishment, but suppose, just for the sake of argument, that we consciously stop reviling "others," that, instead, we welcome our immigrants, that we actively help them to find housing, jobs, health care and education. And suppose, simultaneously, we finally offer the same opportunities, across the board, to women and gays and whomever else is not getting the traditional white male advantage.
Just think -- our prisons might be rehabbed as schools. Or, if not, then if mandatory drug sentences were repealed, and the prisons were significantly emptied, their hospitality might at least and at last be extended in a more egalitarian fashion, with plenty of vacancies made available to accommodate the rapers and pillagers from Wall Street, as well as those from the Bush/Cheney administration who epitomize my concept of "other."
June 12, 2009 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Long ago, there was a "60 Minutes" story on a warden somewhere who had one of the lowest recidivism rates in the nation.
What he did was, in essence, to raise his charges over again. All inmates who did not have a high school diploma were required to get their GED. Those who did, or finished their GED, were encouraged - strongly - to take college level courses. Meaningful trade skills were taught. "Lights out" was quiet time, and other socializations were part of daily life there.
I can not find any reference, the CBS archives are somewhat spotty going back to the pre-web era.
Was it a perfect solution? No. Did it help? Apparently.
June 12, 2009 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Google: Martinson 60 Minutes prison Reform
Is this what you were looking for?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prisons27mar27,0,1870680 ...
June 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you betcha.
Well said, as always.
June 12, 2009 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't me, cheecken...
Mind, I like praise. Accolades are like good Irish whiskey to me. But please, let's have them be for something I actually said.
June 13, 2009 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Belle, this reads like a poem. It should be plucked and made into its own blog.
Quite an historical perspective. Something happened in Europe that just has not happened here. Although as I say elsewhere places like Minnesota and Massachusetts have low incarceration rates comparable to Europe's.
You sure have made a call for hope, anyway.
June 12, 2009 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://rooseveltinstitution.org/challenges/justice/_file/_src_justice_brief.pdf
June 12, 2009 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Resistance, thank you very much for this link. I do not even have to bookmark it since you put it in my archives.
Thank you very much. Others should read this and I will be reading it again soon. Great stats right there in print backing up everything Senator WEbb is talking about.
Again, my thanks!!!
June 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometime in the late-'70s rehabilitation became a dirty word. Some spectacular - although comparatively rare - monster crimes had poisoned the public and turned us vengeful; Gacy and Bundy come to mind. We need to bring back the concept of rescuing inmates, find some way to retrieve lives that stunted by lack of opportunities and the relentless devils of our society. Pardon would be a good way of clearing the decks inside, giving those with dogged sentences for petty crimes another chance. And revive educational opportunities inside. Something. We've become a nation that believes the best way to deal with problematic behavior is to lock it away. Or kill it. That's a terrible legacy - for us.
June 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
A terrible legacy indeed Curt. This is a systematic problem.
Now Massachusetts and Minnesota have relatively low incarceration rates, more comparable to Europe or (gulp) China. I noted that in a previous prison blog.
But Texas, geeeeez, its like a permanent gulag.
Law & Order as a chant--not the show--was so strong on the 60's, 70's, 80's. It gave the general population that mass murderers were being let free based upon claims of constitutional rights and wimpy liberals. It appears in many films that way.
Oh well. I, for one, am not letting this go.
June 12, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD - have you connected with the Judge yet in any way? I mean, Winona County is not around the corner for you, still, he speaks regularly nationwide about these matters (criminal justice and incarceration). If nothing else, I'm sure you'd find each other quite interesting.
June 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Grouch I have not attempted to contact the retired Judge Dennis Challeen. I did copy that article on my Word.
But I did discover something that disturbed me. It has been over a month since I discussed the prison system in this country. That was a wake up call.
And I attempted to google Challeen but got nowhere. I will try again. I also looked for a book by him in our old library, of course there was nothing.
I dropped the entire matter to tell you the truth.
Thanks for the wake-up.
June 12, 2009 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post, Dick, though as I was reading through it I kept waiting for your to talk about poverty and institutional racism. The difficulty with solving these problems is that they blend into other areas that also need to be changed. The whole infrastructure of our society is a foundation with many cracks we need to repair; from education, to jobs, and so on. I don't think they can be fixed in a siloed fashion. We give pardon to prisoners and what do they return to? If we are headed in that direction (which I don't argue could be a workable solution for non-violent offenders) I think we owe them a chance at obtaining a decent life.
June 12, 2009 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for this twoviragos. But one of the problems I always had before I got to the net last year was focus.
When you attempt to focus, you of course lose the magic of some integration.
The problem of class goes hat in hand with a penal system. It is the poorest and the least educated among us who are more likely to find prison. But That was going to be my third in this series, counting this blog as one.
However it would be fun to read a blog on this subject by you. I enjoy reading a post written by someone who can write and you more than qualify!!
Thank you for your comment.
June 12, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting to think about DD. I'll have to think about what I could write that would might add something meaningful to the conversation. My comments come from my experience as an educator. I spent several years working at a school that served young people trying to transition between juvenile detention and the regular school system. What I saw was that kids came out of juvenile detention as more seasoned criminals than they were when they went in and that they were released back into the exact same lives and situations that got them into trouble in the first place. To me, that means that the overarching problem may be two-fold: 1)what do we do with people while they are incarcerated that prepares them to live meaningful lives; and 2) what support do we offer once people are released back into society to lessen the liklihood of reoffense. I have heard that San Francisco is doing some good work in the area of restorative justice. Here's a link to a website that outlines the principles of their program: http://www.sfrestorativejustice.org.
June 15, 2009 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
2V: Thank you so much for relating a little of your experience along with the fine link. I, personally would like to read more about your experience.
Few people really have any idea what the hell is going on 'out there'. Blood, sweat and tears so to speak.
You could, if you chose to, write a series of posts.
If you have written before, republish some of what you wrote.
June 15, 2009 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, like water that falls into the paths of least resistance, like an infection allowed to spread.
At some point, it is no longer a simple issue of removing the cause, and treating the primary effect(s). I agree.
All of the surrounding environment is torn, is traumatized, and thus likewise needs to be addressed.
June 13, 2009 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks dickday. We could use a pardon or two in California where spending on prisons will overtake spending on state universities in the next 5 years.
June 12, 2009 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cletus, speak up. Raise havoc. They are cutting all your services in California.
Screw the people, we are having money problems.
ha!!
Thanks for chiming in. Why cannot we speak of the costs related to our penal system.
Does that make us soft on crime?
June 12, 2009 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
2D,
I urge you to look up a new term that has been recently added to the dictionary of medical diagnosis - pseudoaddiction. Meaning those individuals that exhibit addictive behavior for the simple reason that the pain they suffer from, has not been treated effectively.
I would love to hear your take on this new form of persecution.
And you said how many were in prison?
And once again, to all, excuse my recent lack of participation.
June 12, 2009 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Face many of us are worried about you. btw, I have heard of pseudo medicine.
Professionals do not like to be questioned. They will not admit it when they are PROVEN wrong. That just cannot be the case.
It has to do with the face or front of confidence, etc.
Frankly, I do not trust doctors. A lot of good doctors out there. I am just not convinced.
I think that is why i have come to like House. I stopped watching after the first three shows i ever saw, saw it like Columbo.
Then I saw it. HE QUESTIONS EVERYTHING. There is no set cure, no set diagnosis, not set human conditioon.
I sure hope you are feeling better.
June 12, 2009 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks dickday , awesome and informative post which schooled me good in things I didnt know about the prison problems and number of prisoners in this country. Obviously I cant add anything but still want to weigh in with a thank you. Also your responders brought out some excellent things too, Wwstaebler has some great background history and ideas, and I am intrigued by Curt,s thought of "rescuing the prisoners". You always make us either bring out our thinking caps or our hard hats.
June 12, 2009 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great blog today. All these people with all these thoughtful comments.
But Dondi
you were leading before time ran out. Your blogs have been extremely successful this week
good for you
And I love amateur cartoons
keep it up
June 12, 2009 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great blog Dick! Why not legalize marijuana, pardon all marijuana offenders, and use the money saved plus the tax revenues collected on legal sales of marijuana to help fund universal public health care?
June 12, 2009 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
too easy
June 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
sounds good to me and then tax the rx maryjane!!!
Everybody wins!!!
June 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
dd,
Great post. But this will only get worse if We, the People, continue to accept the status quo of our Judicial - can't call it Justice - system).
Have you heard anything about members of Congress being allowed to issue pardons to inmates convicted of certain crimes in the state they represent? Someone told me there was a bill going to be introduced that would allow members of Congress to have a set number of pardons (10?) annually with requisite number of their state's voters signatures supporting the pardon (since individuals would be released in their state).
Found it interesting concept (with some reservations) but haven't heard or read anything further.
Appreciate your publishing needed info on this issue.
June 12, 2009 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Auntie, I can only say that I have a faint echo in my head about this but it faded. I eschewed it from a constitutional standpoint i think.
But I never researched it.
The Constitution gives the Pres the power to pardon.
Alone.
Maybe that is why I was so dismissive. 10 a piece is bullshit, to turn a phrase. I mean, 10 friends that went to jail for whatever reason? No way.
1000 I could go along with with certain standards.
535000 out. good idea. But Texas, and other hell holes are the places where most of the pardons should go. In my mind anyway.
the end.
June 12, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, I happened to see Webbs piece on this. I sent him a meesage. I asked him if we are so antsy to put people in jail how come we have so many criminals walking around the halls of congress. I pointed out to him the FBI report from 2004 identifying how the banking and mortgage industries were well along trashing our economy. I asked him how come the SEC, Treasury and FED didn't do anything and why wasn't there an investigation. We have a lot of people in jail but absent from the prison population are some people who certainly belong. Webb didn't respond.
June 12, 2009 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahahaha. You see the Functionalist School of Cultural Anthropology had a perspective on all this.
There is an integration rule. The kinship system is reflected in the mythology is reflected in the economic system...etc
We can see how crime, our criminal system, our lobby system and Congress all kind of mesh together.
hahahaha
June 12, 2009 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I may paraphrase what you said I take that to mean it is perfectly normal if you will, for those in charge and who hold all the power to do whatever they please without regard to law or the outcome. That school of thought does seem to reflect our circumstance.
The fly in the ointment is while they might think people adjust, or put another way, grow accustomed to being screwed, that isn't really the case. What it actually does is cause the entire sociopolitical scheme to decay to where it can't be sustained. From my vantage point the political is well along that road and the social is picking up steam. And we're on more than a mild downgrade with the brakes failing.
The indicators are no meaningful changes to banking, finance or insurance, health care reform in question, gas prices going up with crude prices down with weak demand, monthly job losses topping 600,000 (again), world hunger jumping to just shy of 15% while Wall Street blithely applauds the DJ in plus territory for the first time in 2009.
I must have been stoned on the day they changed 2+2=4 because I missed it entirely.
June 13, 2009 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
TPC, I see the class divisions have become walls that are extremely difficult to breach. There will always be anecdotal stories. stories of people reaching the American dream starting with nothing.
But show me a country where there is no such anecdote.
I am disappointed that at the time of this 'crash' we could not have really and meaningfully altered this system.
June 13, 2009 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rather recklessly, prudent laws which once were recognized as necessary were repealed and then when things started to go south the remedies that were pursued didn't follow the ones that remained. Beyond that any description is inadequate.
June 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, great post DD.
Nikolayevich Myshkin- One of my all time favorites, thanks for sharing some history.
Yes we really should think about that turkey thing. I mean, do they really deserve it? More than the Hurricane?
Oh, and TPC is on to something.
June 13, 2009 2:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Every time I see the turkey pardon, over the decades, I thought about it as a parody Saladin.
And Hurricane Carter, I mean, one of Dylans best songs and one this country's worst mistakes. And yet, Carter was one of those anomalies.
There are still web sites perpetuating the lie that a guilty guy got off.
June 13, 2009 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
DD you must have dreams at night about the day dreams you'll have the next morning. The conundrum of your enigmatic muses is pleasure fully puzzling!
June 13, 2009 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know GTF, I rarely receive such kudos as this:
The conundrum of your enigmatic muses is pleasure fully puzzling!
I shall treasure this. hahahahaha
June 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for this. You're never less than interesting and you always make the world a photon or two brighter---lots of photons, actually.
I can't add anything to what you've said, but in case some of your readers haven't read Crime and Punishment yet, it is online and downloadable from Project Gutenberg. Here's the link: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2554
While I'm at it, can I put in a plug for Distributed Proofreaders... as generous a group of persons as the internet has, DP prepares books for publication at Project Gutenberg. Obsessive-compulsives like myself will love this. Find them at http://www.pgdp.net/c/
June 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you very much for the kind words Professor.
I have already told you how much I appreciate your posts and your lessons.
And thank you so much for the links.
June 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink