INTO THE BERESHIT
Genesis is the name we use for the first book of the Old
Testament. It literally means: IN THE BEGINNING.
But the stories in the first book of the Old Testament were
not originally recounted in Greek, but in an ancient Hebrew dialect. And the
Hebrew word for "In the beginning" is "Bereshit".
It is no wonder that English speaking Christians all over the world refer to
the first book of their sacred two part Bible as "Genesis". And not Bereshit.
In the beginning, when
God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless wasteland, and
darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters. The God said, Let there be light. And there was light. God saw how good the light
was. God then separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day
and the darkness he called night. Thus evening came and morning followed--the
first day. (Gen. C1, Verse 1-5)
So far, so good. What may one glean from this beginning?
In the beginning, God started with something. Not nothing.
An abyss, a wasteland, a mighty wind and some water.
If there was something (that is at the time of creation and
before God had begun to create the heavens and the earth) then at some other
time prior to all of this, the abyss, the wasteland, the mighty wind and some
water must also have been created at some point. There simply is no attempt to
delve into this issue by the authors.
Whoever wrote Bereshit had little interest in the
questions surrounding the origins of the universe that intrigue theoretical physicists
and theoretical mathematicians today.
Prior to this first day of creation, there had been no night
and day and there had been no light. Although when there is no light, there
must have been darkness. Of course no one could see the darkness anyway, so
what is the difference?
Of course, no God had not yet created the sun, the moon or
the stars. He would not get around to this until the fourth day. The obvious
question would be:
Where did this light come from without the sun, the moon and
the stars and how could there have been a day or an evening?
This analysis may seem trite, but there are people in the
world that are literalists. That is,
they profess to believe in every single word written in the Bereshit
and that every word was literally written by God.
And yet, by the time on briefly scans the first paragraph of
this mighty tome, the only conclusions to be drawn from it would be that the
opening lines are not only philosophically inconsistent, but fly in the face of
truths that were known by the ancient Greeks over 2500 years ago.
Because there are literalists who content that an actual
omnipotent being of some kind wrote the Bereshit, the obvious must never be
taken for granted.
Aside from the fact that the earth was not created before
the heavens--however formless at the time, there certainly could be no day or
night or any way of discerning the day from the night.
A more interesting query to me involves the necessity of God speaking during the creation of this fairy tale universe. To whom is He speaking? I think it may be relevant to skip over to the New Testament at this point and take a look at the first lines contained in the Gospel of John:
In the beginning was the Word
The Word was in God's presence,
And the Word was God.
He was present to God in the beginning.
Through him all things came into being
And apart from him nothing came to be.
Whatever came to be in him, found life,
Life for the light of men,
The light shines on in the darkness
A darkness that did not overcome it.
(John 1, 1-5)
Thus John, whoever he was or whoever they were, began this
gospel with a song. But why a song?
The Prologue is a
hymn, formally poetic in style, perhaps an independent composition and only
later adapted and edited as an overture to the gospel...The Roman writer Pliny
mentions the Christians in Asia
Minor as singing hymns
to Christ as a God. Commentators are divided on whether the initial reference
to the early ministry of Jesus Christ is I, 9 or I, 14.
In the beginning;
these the first words of Bereshit 1, 1 serve as the Hebrew title of that book.
Here however, they introduce the two verses describing the situation before
creation. Was: three times in the first verse this verb is used of the Word.
First it indicates timeless existence; next relationship to the Father; finally
identity with God. (NAB 1169 f. 1 & 2)
In other words, John wished to bring his followers back to
the concept of Bereshit. In the beginning.
But John also may be demonstrating something else here. He seems to be shedding light upon some
facets of the original Bereshit. He starts his entire
testament with a song. This may give us a clue as to the origins of Bereshit.
That is, the original Bereshit as well as the so-called
Prologue of John, was meant to be sung. Not read. Not simply recited. But sung.
He also provides an explanation as to why God has to keep
saying things while He is involved in the six days of creation.
I will reexamine this later but the opening lines of Bereshit
have always struck me as having something to do with man's need to personify
language itself.
Why do we put our hand on a text while making a vow?
Why do we always stress that the Bible is the Word of God?
What is so important about the word Word?
Why are we not more interested in the aims or intentions of
God? Words can be defined in so many different ways in terms of context, in
terms of multiple meanings, in terms of argument. Just as the ancient sophists
or the modern day spinners.
After all, a rose by any other name is still a rose.
Actions speak louder than words.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never
hurt me.
Even the Nixon Administration would contend that they wished
the public to take more note of what it did than what it said.
When we are in argument over some issue, we may look at our
foe and state firmly: Those are mere
words. I cannot believe you are serious.
And what type of words are we really talking about?
Songs?
Oral pronouncements?
The written word?
To me anyway, words are more than just thoughts. Words
represent the communication, the translation of thoughts.
Which brings me back to the original question: Who is God
supposed to be communicating to while he pronounces that everything he has
accomplished is good?
Then God said, Let
there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate on body of water from
the other. And so it happened. God made the dome and it separated the water
above the dome from the water below it. God called the dome the sky. Evening came
and morning followed...the second day. (Gen C1, Verse 6-8)
Now I spent a lot of time in Minneapolis
and I am more than just familiar with the Hubert Humphrey Metrodome where the
Twins play baseball and the Vikings pretend to play football. (I know, we are
destroying this landmark that everybody hated when it was first built, at least
in this state)
Whatever the author thought God was creating, I can assure
you that He was not creating a dome. At the least a dome is:
A hemispherical roof
or vault or a structure or other object resembling a dome.
Anyone should be able to discern that whoever wrote this
opus thought the world was flat and not a globe.
And the writer was most surely wrong about his flat world.
(No apologies due that asshat Friedman)
Even many Greeks knew the world was round.
Aristarchus or Aristarch (Greek: Ἀρίσταρχος; 310 BC - ca. 230 BC) was a Greek astronomer and mathematician, born on the island of Samos, in Greece. He was the first person to present an explicit argument for a heliocentric model of the solar system, placing the Sun, not the Earth, at the center of the known universe. He was influenced by the Pythagorean Philolaus of Kroton, but, in contrast to Philolaus, he had both identified the central fire with the Sun, as well as putting other planets in correct order from the Sun. His astronomical ideas were rejected in favor of the geocentric theories of Aristotle and Ptolemy until they were successfully revived nearly 1800 years later by Copernicus and extensively developed and built upon by Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton. The crater Aristarchus on the Moon is named in his honor.
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So we had a solar system, in theory, 2200 years ago. Ha. If
you wade through some Aristotle you will find certain chapters depicting the
earth as an orb.
And Ptolemy, the second century Egyptian astronomer even
went so far as to make a globe to represent our planet and it was used by
scholar for over a thousand years. Columbus
actually used a Ptolemic globe. Since Ptolemy was off on his scale model of the
earth, Columbus really did think he
was going to Asia in 1492. And no sailor really believed
the world was flat. You could see the curve on the horizon when traveling out
to sea.
Besides this, any idiot could see that the Moon was an orb.
And any idiot could discern that the moon was round even when it was crescent
because the moon that is not lit still manages to block out the stars. We have such strange views on what the
so-called ancients thought!!!
Back to the Bereshit.
How anyone could discern the second day from night, even God, is beyond
me.
Then God said, Let the water under the sky be gathered
into a single basin, so that the dry land might appear. And so it happened:
the water under the sky was gathered into its basin, and the dry land appeared.
God called the dry land the earth and the basin of water he called the sea. God
saw how good it was. Then God said, let
the earth bear forth vegetation, every kind of plant that bears seeds and every
kind of fruit tree on earth that be as fruit with its seed in it. And so it
happened; the earth brought...God saw how good it was, Evening came and morning
followed---the third day. (Gen. C1, Verse 9-13)
Then God said: let there be lights in the dome of the sky,
to separate day from night. Let them mark the fixed times, the days and the
years, and serve as luminaries in the dome of the sky, to shed light upon the
earth. And so it happened: God made the two great lights, the greater one
to govern the day and the lesser one to govern the night and he made the stars.
God set them in the dome of the sky to shed light upon the earth to govern the
day and the night and to separate light from the darkness. God saw how good it
was. Evening came, and morning followed--the fourth day. (Gen C1, Verse 14-19)
The third and fourth day have to be read together in order
to see how absolutely idiotic the entire first chapter of Bereshit is. How
could there have been any vegetation without the sun? What the hell separated the day from the
night without the sun, moon or the stars? And how would you measure the first
three days?
Then God said, Let the
water teem with an abundance of living creatures and on the earth let birds fly
beneath the dome of the sky. And so it happened. God created the great sea
monsters and all kind of swimming creatures with which the water teems and all
kinds of winged birds. God saw how good it was and God blessed them saying, be
fruitful and multiply and fill the water of the seas and let the birds multiply
on the earth. Evening came and morning followed the fifth day. (Gen. C1, Verse
20-23)
There is not much to add here. Except that birds were not
created before a least some of the creatures enumerated in the next stanza of
the poem. That is, fish did not evolve
into birds. Fish had to evolve into land creatures first. Most likely
birds evolved from dinosaurs. I bring
this up because some 'intellectuals' have said that at least the bible got the
order right in terms of stages in the evolutionary process.
Absolutely nothing is 'correct' from either a scientific
perspective or any sane man's perspective.
Then god said, let the
earth bring forth all kinds of living creatures; cattle, creeping things and
wild animals of all kinds. And so it happened; God made all kinds of wild
animals, all kinds of cattle and all kinds of creeping things of the earth. God
saw how good it was. Then God said, let us make man in our image, after our
likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air
and the cattle and all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the
ground....
Thus we end the first chapter of Bereshit .
We will see if my Bereshit study continues depending upon
who decides to read this.
(I actually wrote a 60 page essay on Bereshit on an old computer when I was not on line some four years ago. I lost it all except 40 pages I just found today that I must have printed. Ha. I have alluded to some of the stuff in this piece in other posts. The purpose of the essay was to point out the actual language that is being used to attack the Theory of Evolution. Do not be fooled. When 'they' say they are not saying the earth is 6000 (or 8000, some do claim 8,000) years old, they are lying. They are all, and I mean all, literalists as far as bible study goes. And it pisses me off. 'They' will also claim that I am not a biblical scholar. Bullshit. They are supposed to be good protestants--no Catholics believe this crap and if they do they are ignoring Rome and their own bishopric in this country. And protestants claimed that no pope, no bishop, no scholar knows the bible better than a good old religious guy who reads his own family bible. HA!!!)













The watchword of my faith is Bashert, (Yiddish: באַשערט, "a Yiddish word that means "destiny". It is often used in the context of one's divinely foreordained spouse or soulmate, and thus has romantic overtones."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beshert
June 22, 2009 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Far fricking out. I mean knock my socks off. Far fricking out.
DESTINY
Is that not something!! Wow
Katz, you got me shaking in my boots
Thank you.
June 22, 2009 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, here is another beautiful word for you, Shekinah. It means divine presence, the presence of God. I just found this on Wikipedia "The Shekhinah manifests itself as a form of joy, connected with prophecy and creativity."
Nice piece DD.
OT, I can't follow anybody on TPM. Not even you DickDay. The Follow button does not work. I can't upload a picture, nothing. Can someone help me. I've tried Firefox and Safari on my Mac. The TPM help desk won't respond to my emails.
June 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cletus, I just found your reply--I see you just posted. Maybe its best You are up so close to the blog--I will ask around. Do not give up, happens all the time.
I got it, show up at our chat room Cletus like six or seven CDT:
http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=7a731d035e7e4a1205ccf106b1333be1&channel=%23tpm-aholics
Make sure you erase the MIB and just type in Cletus or some such and then push connect.
Otherwise, try to get Pseudo's attention. He has a comment going on in this mess somewhere.
June 23, 2009 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks DD. LisaB helped me.
June 23, 2009 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
My Jehovah's Witness friend told me that Moses wrote Genesis and that he, like all the other authors of the Bible, was divinely inspired by God to write it. Meaning that each word was "dictated" by God, if you will.
I've always had an issue with that, because there are so many contradictions in the Bible.
Part of the reason I gave up on religion altogether.
June 22, 2009 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah but like our early teachings in public school, or the messages in old fairy tales....
These are echoes of our ancestors, attempting to speak to us.
But echoes, not a history of the universe. ha
June 22, 2009 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you Lis, most religious zealots don't know the difference between a metaphor and a pinafore.
June 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
"the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters."
No one really knows if that was what it was like in the beginning but it does seem pretty descriptive of what things might be like in the end:)
Very interesting post, DD.
June 22, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Gary. You do have a point. An end point. hahaha
June 22, 2009 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a hat that will hide that.
June 22, 2009 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
ack ack!!! hahahaha
June 22, 2009 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't mention a restaurant?
June 23, 2009 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Jonnie I just had a thought. I have not seen a blog from you yet, but it appears you have no problems typing. Join us sometime at our chatroom:
http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=7a731d035e7e4a1205ccf106b1333be1&channel=%23tpm-aholics
It s free and everything. Make sure after you get there that you erase the MIB thingy and put in your name and hit connect.
You would be welcome.
And you have a story, many stories to tell. Feel free to just 'blog'. Do not think about it, just do it. ha its fun
June 23, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the invite. Typing is very time consuming. I need to get instructions on how to place links in comments and replies before I ever consider blogging. Referencing info is a real pain for me. When I'm outside of Photoshop I'm not exactly computer literate. lol
June 23, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to keep bothering you, but I put everything on Word. Then I have the net open with tabs. Check Wiki for spelling and for quick info on some character....
Then I just cut and paste. Now I cut and paste from HuffPo or Salon or whatever. Then I cut and past the http thingy to Word following my cite.
Others are much more clever than me, and do some real artful techy things.
At any rate, I can take two or three days putting something together and then I copy and paste the entire post on the blog site.
Just sayin. Whatever time it takes is really off the blog...
THE END
June 23, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are certainly no bother. I have a vague concept of what you are telling me about construction methods. I'll have to do some exploring on my mac; but, you have given me a direction to explore.
What about the direct links (hyper-links?) in replies, same method? Construct it elsewhere then cut and paste (is that the same as drag/drop?).
June 23, 2009 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes drag-drop for sure. Now in the chat room there are mac specialists. When we are having a full nite of course. EVERYBODY LOVES TO GIVE ADVICE. and some of it is good. hahahaahah
On Word, I drag and drop the http thingy. after the drop it lights up.
Then when I drag and drop the entire essay on the blog and submit, the http link is still active--most of the time.
But the more technically agile have tons to day about this.
And after I have submitted I see the blog as it ends up. Then I go to blog, hit manage, hit my most recent blog. It magically appears and I do more editing.
the end
June 23, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
In comments, I simply go to the URL I want to link you all to, in another tab of my browser, select it and right click "copy", then come back to comments, point my cursor where I want the link to go, and right click "paste". I think that's what Dick means by drag and drop. Or, um, close enough.
The trick, though, is to hit the return key after you've pasted the link into your comment. Otherwise it just appears as a gobbledygook link in type with no real link attached to it, which makes the reader have to copy it and paste it into another tab browser address line.
I hope that helps?
June 23, 2009 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Starting to remember how little I know about computers, thanks for help. Dick and yourself have given me enough clues; I will now ask my computer how to accomplish what the two of you have told me. My mac has never failed me before in finding answers to my computing inadequacies. VIVA MAC!
June 24, 2009 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
JNH-
What web browser do you use on your mac? Safari?
June 23, 2009 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, look up basic html, jonnie. I'm a mac user, and a photoshop expert.
=D
I can probably speak your adobespeak, if you have any questions.
June 23, 2009 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are in very deep water here. I've learned purely seat of the pants. I appreciate the assist; but anything technical is not my cup of tea.
Look up "basic html", where? I tried apple help and found something to do with dashboard widgets.
I've always been a big fan of chickens. When I figure out how to transfer images into comments, I have photos you might enjoy.
June 24, 2009 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Firefox is my preferred "fully updated", I also have safari if that might make things simpler.
June 24, 2009 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, Dickon, and I agree with the sentiment.
June 22, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
hmmm.
Dickin, what is a "day" to God?
just askin
June 22, 2009 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
—Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
June 23, 2009 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I am a Day, of sorts, and I am not a God, unless like some Hindus we are to believe that we all all gods, of a sort. 24 just does not seem to do it, does it? I mean not until the fourth day.
June 22, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but seriously. What is a day to God. 6,000 of our years? Ten thousand?
(shrug)
Reminds me of a joke:
June 22, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not bad Bwak. Not bad.
We will all be millionaires in heaven. But our claims will lie a million years in probate!!!
June 22, 2009 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
June 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because I'm working my way through the best-sellers list in reverse order and am nowhere near the Bible's 1st appearance yet, I found this extremely interesting, dd. I have some questions and wonderments to ask.
Then God said, ...on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky. God created ... all kinds of winged birds. God saw how good it was and God blessed them saying ... let the birds multiply on the earth.
Birds seems to be in God's Witness Protection Program. So perhaps Cheney did the right thing when he shot the lawyer instead of a quail?
Then god said, let the earth bring forth all kinds of living creatures; cattle, creeping things and wild animals of all kinds.
Creeping things? What was He thinking? Here in the South we have cockroaches so big you can put a saddle on 'em and go for a ride. And I'm supposed to believe He looked down at one of those things and thought He had done good? If He had made Eve first, He would never have heard the end about that boo-boo. Jeez, talk about original sin.
Now if these typos appear in the original text, I can understand the confusion that surrounds the whole Bereshit thing. If they're yours, that's OK, because your're not God and that's GOOD.
Sometimes I worry that you'll be discovered one day and then we won't have you anymore at the Cafe, dd. We'll have to watch you on Jon Stewart or something. And that's NOT GOOD for us.
THE END.
June 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Creeping things appears all through Genesis. Noah had to let creeping things onto his ark.
ha
That is where repubs came from you know
typos came from me. I will attempt to fix. I had to type this from my original paper, I had no disc.
ha
June 22, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans evolved from the creepy things? Not much advancement going on in that species, is there?
No wonder they prefer their unIntelligent Design nonTheory.
June 22, 2009 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Devolved.
June 23, 2009 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. I lost my head for a moment. But it's found again. Thank you.
June 23, 2009 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting concept, I always thought republican was a mental disorder.
June 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Forty pages? If you have a scanner or cna borrow one, it don't take much ti scan in text (much less troubly to an all thumbs typerist like me nayway :)
PS Don't think you blessed or crossed yourself once in this piece...goddamned strange is all (kneels before water-stain image of J.C. (or Billy Gibbons)...
June 22, 2009 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Don you do bring up things I thought about. Oh because the project is dedicated to OUR LORD & SAVIOR....(blesses himself)
I was not taking anything in vain
Although she keeps singing: You're so vain
Oh Well
Alls well that ends in hell
June 23, 2009 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you have a point. Too much worshiping might give the Lord a big head (crosses himself and takes cover).
June 23, 2009 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
June 22, 2009 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was its name norma? It could have been one of my ex-mothers-in-law.
June 23, 2009 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's a story and a credential I can believe in, Mr. Peeg. Did you happen to notice how many natives down there were saddled up on them? Way back when in the days of horses, there were many horrific falls from a horse when heading for the last place you remembered leaving your boat, after leaving Sloppy Joes. Saddling up a cockroach solved many problems - cheaper, which left more money for Sloppy's, not so damn high, and you didn't have to bring them on the damn boat with you.
Or so I have heard.
June 23, 2009 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
June 23, 2009 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where I come from nobody admits to knowing just when, why, or how the 'world' came into being, so we just make up stuff, and try to bullshit our compadres until they catch us in the philosophical deep doo-doo. At which point it becomes the responsibility of the one who caught the bullshit to pick it up from there and try to tell an entertaining story, that kinda makes sense. All our stories have 'light' in them too, and we never apologize to Tom Friedman. Thanks for essay Dick.
June 22, 2009 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could not help the Friedman allusion, I really hate that guy. hahahahaha
Miguel NOBODY KNOWS WHERE WE CAME FROM, WHY WE ARE HERE.
You got that right
June 22, 2009 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Friedman unit would have taken six months for each creation and still have gotten it wrong, Miguelito. I'm thinking there's no need for us to add to his credentials (but I could be wrong.)
June 22, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL SS. As I said, where I come from when the bullshit gets a tad deep, we concede to the dude that caught you on it, and move on. Kinda like the scientific method in its' application. :)
June 22, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh sure, laugh NOW Peeg. If I remember correctly, it was YOU who started all this crap. Pearls before swine, indeed.
June 22, 2009 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
With a pig avatar, you get blamed for a lot of self righteous puss slinging, (no offense to all you cat avatars... rest assured the pig's got yer back when they start calling you names. Pearls before swine is one of the nicer aspersions that have been cast in my general direction.
June 23, 2009 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
(shuffles feet)
(whistles)
(looks away)
June 23, 2009 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh... Did I say "puss'? Surely it's just a typo from utilizing an oft neglected word in my vocabulary.
June 23, 2009 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Who depusses your head in the evening, all that brilliance building up second by second?" (St. desi)
you know THIS is why I LOVE this place Miguel.
June 23, 2009 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the pearls should clam up when relating to nuts, don't you? Cast rusty fish hooks instead. Or once around the nut's neck, just go ahead and practice that choke hold so that said nut is nutted forever, so to speak.
What's so hard about that?
June 23, 2009 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Q has something there with this BUTTMUNCHING
hahhahaah. Why is CT always........
oh who cares hahahahahah
June 22, 2009 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's odd, but when I look at all the definitions for this term, they all seem to be tailor made for TPM's own buttmuncher.
Like #6.
I think the term 'friends' in this one is used loosely.
June 23, 2009 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
You had so many Good points or questions . . One I would address quickly and will answer more when I return
You write “Which brings me back to the original question: Who is God supposed to be communicating to while he pronounces that everything he has accomplished is good?”
The “who” he was speaking to (Matthew 6:10) 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.
God has Heavenly Government. (Job 1:6) . . .Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station…… even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.
Satan walking about Earth and also before the heavenly throne with the other Angelic, listeners, as Job’ integrity was questioned.
(Job 38:4-7) 4 Where did you happen to be when I founded the earth? Tell [me], if you do know understanding. 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched out upon it the measuring line? 6 Into what have its socket pedestals been sunk down, Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Ge 1:1), leave matters undefined as to time. (2 Peter 3:8) 8 says that one day is with God as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. . .
It is not important factor for God to explain how long it took for creation. What relevance does it have, really?
Whether we choose to follow his advice; as written in the Book for mankind’s benefit is our choice, our freewill.
Mankind can either choose, to do it’s own thing and eventually die. Or it can choose to follow a course of action that say’s “Do this or that and you will receive life”
Imagine, a fork in the road. Which path do you choose? If you’ve come to rely on the counsel from the Bible, your faith tells you; it hasn’t let you down before, then you’ll choose to follow the course it tells you to take. If you had to rely upon Your own intuition or conscience, you might find you took a wrong turn, and may have to suffer the consequences. Only to think back “If only I had listened”
The school of hard knocks is a poor teacher.
(Nothing forced upon individuals. Except by those trying to impose their will upon others) God does not force individuals to accept him. That is freewill.
(Matthew 11:29-30) 29 Take my yoke upon YOU and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and YOU will find refreshment for YOUR souls. 30 For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.”
To learn righteous principles benefits mankind, if people choose not to listen to sound principles, they’ll suffer; not by God’s hands but by their own mistakes.
Unsafe sex is a good example. Keeping the marriage arrangement sacred prevents unwanted pregnancies. Having sex with multiple partners and transmitting STD’s
What’s wrong with a Guidebook pointing out what should have been obvious?
Or when the ancient Israelites were warned about Pork. Only in our modern (DAY) did we discover the health risks of improperly cooked Pork. A definite safeguard; without a clear understanding as to why?
Here the use of the word day takes on a different meaning. (Time period meaning more than 24 hours)
June 22, 2009 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I personally follow the path of least resistance. I guess.
June 22, 2009 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on now! Snap out of it Dick!
RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE
(Ephesians 6:10-13) 10 Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
RESIST THE CHENEY’S; RESIST THE BORG
Bad Onerous Republican Government?
June 22, 2009 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Unitarian preacher that I knew was raised a believing Lutheran at the time they believed in hell. Once he was asked what he would think of a father who put his child's his hand on a hot stove. He was then asked why he believed in a God who would create hell.
He saw the moral point and changed.
June 23, 2009 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, AJM, nice story.
We are all God's children, are we not?
I like this and I admire many things about Unitarians.
Thank you for this.
June 23, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Genesis, doesn't literally mean, "the beginning".
It is instead, a word mashed-up out of two words,
created to help The Adam(and Eve) Family
hide Dirty Fig Leaves from near its beginning:
Gene + Sis
There are two very tawdry,
better left unsaid conditional statements
that self-evidently rest positive
for every grandchild of Adam's and Eve's:
1) Their father is also their uncle;
2) Their mother is also their aunt.
How is that for twisted he licks?
and since DNA is foreordained
by Nature's God to be double-stranded:
It's twisted she licks too.
June 22, 2009 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
PCA. Have you been taking your meds? hahahahahaha
I have heard (by rumor only) that in some places in Mississippi and I believe in West Virginia, you can even today, run into this auntie mother thing.
June 22, 2009 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yez. There are some short family trees with very few branches in some areas, dd.
June 23, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahhahahahaha speechless
June 23, 2009 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pseudo, DD says to look for you. I can't follow anybody on here. The button does not work for me. Ever. I have never been able to upload a picture. Since the profile page moved to Movable Type, it lost the upload photo feature. I can't even edit my profile anyway because I always get an error. Any info I put in the profile never shows up anywhere. I use Firefox or Safari on Mac. TPM help won't answer my emails. Can you help me?
June 23, 2009 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
been out for a few days.
I'll look around and see what I can come up with.
June 26, 2009 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Things I Remember From Dick's Bible Lessons.
CHAPTER 1. There was this bear. And these woods. And... well... shit happens.
CHAPTER 2. God created Republicans. And sent them into the woods. Yup. The same woods. This explains so many things.
CHAPTER 3. And then God's chosen beings, the Flying Holy Hedgehog People, landed. They looked incredibly cool, with those little leather helmets, just standing around, smoking Menthols and listening to jazz on their transistor radios. They landed in Minnesota, but told this one guy that they actually lived just to the North most of the time. 'Cause the health care system was vastly superior, and assholes like Cheney weren't allowed to have guns, and everyone was pretty much cool.
CHAPTER 4. And the Children of Shiteface were named God's REALLY Special Chosen People. Basically, this was a pretty easy call for God. Whatever He looked at, He noticed, "If it wasn't Scots, it was crap." (Oh yeah. And of all the Scots, the MacKeens were double-good. The Campbells though, could go straight to hell. Or the woods. Whichever was nearest.)
CHAPTER 5. And all you Jews stop whining. What'd you get? A 4,000, 5,000 year run as Chosen People? That's pretty damned good.
CHAPTER 6. And God declared that the state capital of Nebraska had to be San Francisco from here on out. He was such a kidder. Always messin' with people. God we miss Him.
CHAPTER 7. Then one day, God was wroth. And loosed a giant flaming turd at a man named Rush Limbaugh.
CHAPTER 8. Surprisingly perhaps, Rush survived. And gained a great audience. Amongst the people who'd been sent into the woods previously. Yes, the woods where the bear shat.
CHAPTER 9. Then the Grandchildren of Shiteface came across the water, formed the Democrats, and fixed everything up. After that, things were pretty much toasty.
CHAPTER 10. And God's final word was, "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass. I just really want to emphasize that."
THE END.
June 22, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok. First off, whether you like it or not, I hereby render unto the Scot the Dayly Comment of the Day Award for this here TPMCafe site, given to all of you from all of me.
Second, I write the single funniest piece of my entire life yesterday and you do not show up. I mean you recommend and everything...but.....
So today you show up and write one of the funniest biblical recitations I have ever read...
So it is your fault. I will do chapter two in the next few days since it is already written anyway. Although I have to retype it.
ITS ALL YOUR FAULT
And yes, you are funnier than I am.
June 22, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I look forward to Chapter 2. But I would just emphasize that in your instruction, make sure to - cover your ass.
Thanks for the Prize, Dick. Woo Hoo!
And I loved yesterday's post. Father's Day is just a tough day though, eh?
June 22, 2009 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yez.
and BTW, I only fight with you in months ending in "y"
June 22, 2009 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deal. But let's take July off this year. Maybe we can swap it with November?
June 22, 2009 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK
=D
But I dunno, lets just drop July. Turkey month tends to see me making pie, and having fond thoughts of er, turkeys.
June 22, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aren't chickens and turkeys related?
They both tell fowl jokes.
June 22, 2009 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cry fowl!
;D
June 23, 2009 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are hereby also awarded my newly created "Run for the Fire Hydrant" award given to those who make me do so.
As to Chapter 2, I have proof that bears are not Republicans.
June 23, 2009 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
God and I have only one thing in common. Neither of us like to talk to Republicans. But when we do we are both forced to speak in a way very much like this text which you have examined here. It is most likely that the Bible is god’s final attempt to explain things to Republicans in a way that they can comprehend.
June 22, 2009 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. hahhahaahah FOR HE FORESAW EVEN THIS!!!
HAHAHAHAHA
June 23, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
DD,
When I was about 23, my friend and I were sitting around and having a conversation about who in the heck really wrote the Bible.
We were discussing the game of 'operator' (if you don't know what that is, I'll explain later)... and how it essentially proves the fallibility of humans in communicating 'exactly' what they were told, heard, etc. to the next person and the more humans told and interpreting.. the more the message can be distorted and do not resemble the original communications.
My brother walked in on our conversation and we immediatly began acting out our own little drama of how the Bible was written in which I played 'God', my friend was a 'prophet', and my brother was a 'scribe'(he sat at a typewriter).
I said some things that my friend the prophet then interpreted and my brother pretty much typed whatever he wanted(well he wasn't getting paid for it, can you blame him).
I read some of the Nag Hamadi Libraries... and I got to this passage where according to the interpretation, Peter was worried about Mary and how she could ever get into heaven because she was a woman... and according to the "interpretations" Jesus said basically not to worry, he would make her a man... (sex change?)
I spent time with Neil Douglas Klotz who wrote a book offering various alternative interpretations to the original 'Lord's Prayer' after living and studying with some populations of people in the east that still spoke a form of Aramaic, said to be the language that Jesus spoke. These interpretations were very different.
So, in answer to your question... my guess is an existential interpreter.
June 22, 2009 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
We were discussing the game of 'operator' (if you don't know what that is, I'll explain later)... and how it essentially proves the fallibility of humans in communicating 'exactly' what they were told, heard, etc. to the next person and the more humans told and interpreting.. the more the message can be distorted and do not resemble the original communications.
You know I alluded to this in some recent blog but you do it much better than I. We did it in the classroom.
How in the HELL does one get the idea that he can speak for God? It is a no go from the start, so to speak.
I mean to get into this later if I hold my audience.
The picture of Jahovah or El or....standing on the earth and tossing stars into the sky is poetic for chrissakes. (Blesses himself just in case)
June 23, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
DON'T let Dickon play "operator" with you!!!!!
He's mine. All mine!
June 23, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's 'doctor' Bwak. You and me are going to play 'doctor'. geeeeeeeeeeeeeez
June 23, 2009 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it improbable for mankind to be inspired to right words that the Creator wants written down.
Court stenographers do it every day.
They hear the words and they record them
“Your own ears will hear a word behind you saying: ‘This is the way. Walk in it, you people.’” (Isaiah 30:21)
Radio waves transmit data from the surface of Mars, yet we don’t see the radio waves
Because some people couldn’t fathom or understand, how the creator of the Human Brain, couldn’t make the neurons in a human brain respond in the way the Creator wants.
"Think this thought, move your fingers, write this down. See this vision. No not that expression, but express it this way."
Why is man so arrogant to believe that if man cannot understand it, therefore it can’t happen?
That would be like someone saying I don’t understand Calculus therefore it is not to be believed?
I don’t understand or see radio waves therefore it’s not real?
June 23, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that Shakespeare or Milton or a thousand others have better interpreted the kingdom of God, as it were than most of the stenographers of the Bible. All the same..there are great stories in the bible, just as there are great stories in the epics of Homer.
June 23, 2009 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are getting into Myth, here, are you not? I was taught that the old stories were written on scrolls left in the desert- an intelligence which I find both exceedingly compelling and romantic. Hmmph, well same thing after all. But I have to get out my revered Concordance which translates back and forth between all the appropriate ancient languages and English in order to do this homework assignment. Because I believe that translation is the responsible thing here. So much reading, so little time. I still have to order IF Stone's book on Socrates' trial.
I am a HAM according to my license- but sorry, not the funny kind. Radio signals are transmitted and received mostly from and to earth, by mankind here. We have the Sun and electromagnetic energy to thank for so much we cannot see with the naked eye including radio waves. The miracle is in actually finding the magic- which all those old guys did over all the long years- to make radio happen. Because it is magic.
June 23, 2009 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Loosey, there is NOTHING more magic than myth. I have been in love with Homer for fifty years. And what may have been written by a blind man named Homer well....he was probably more like a stenographer. Stringing old songs, four hundred years old when he came around, into a concordant unity.
Twice. And what was written by Homer or just a school named after him around 750BC, comprises only about 50% of what we read today in the Iliad and the Odyssey.
THEY WERE SONGS.
And someone did the same thing with ancient songs and linked them together somehow into the book we know as Genesis. Four, five six centuries after the songs were first sung in different languages. ha!
Echoes of our ancestry from both the Hebrews and the Greeks. What is more magic than that?
The closest man I can think of in terms of centuries, who accomplished this same thing was Mallory. He took stories from old 'Freynsche' books and songs from Wales and other tales from other lands and put together a cogent story of Arthur. A thousand years after Arthur had been dead and gone. Ha!
June 23, 2009 3:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
DD, song must have preceded poetry, don't you think? Prosody makes speech "sense" ible. Poetry and music tell us all that matters in ways that defy translation. As if we should bother!
I was most unclear in my post, probably because the hour was late on this coast. I LOVE the romance of scrolls left to be dug up in the desert, like bottled messages washing up on shores distant from their origin, like psalms and poetry sung only for those ears and minds willing enough to receive and pass them on. Radio, the other magic, is only there because we are curious and persistent.
I can't prove this but I believe that as a species we sang before we spoke- I observe it in infants' cooing. And I am certain song preceded any other music.
I am betting that we sing, therefore we are.
June 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
DD, song must have preceded poetry, don't you think? Prosody makes speech "sense" ible. Poetry and music tell us all that matters in ways that defy translation. As if we should bother!
I was most unclear in my post, probably because the hour was late on this coast. I LOVE the romance of scrolls left to be dug up in the desert, like bottled messages washing up on shores distant from their origin, like psalms and poetry sung only for those ears and minds willing enough to receive and pass them on. Radio, the other magic, is only there because we are curious and persistent.
I can't prove this but I believe that as a species we sang before we spoke- I observe it in infants' cooing. And I am certain song preceded any other music.
I am betting that we sing, therefore we are.
June 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit to being confused by this for my entire life.
That so many place such trust in something that we can't possibly ever know or understand and which has been a contributor to results which are counterintuitive to what we might have liked to achieve, bewilders me to no end. The only thing I can take away from this is an objective uncertainty. This isn't much different from George Bush taking us into Iraq in the face of ambiguities that logically should have deprived him of a suitbale rationale for arriving at his decision.
Why people give so much weight to things we think we know but remain unable to accommodate the things we don't know, but which are invariably and intuitively of importance, is something I have never been able to reconcile.
June 23, 2009 7:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was just reading the morning news. Here is an extreme example of that to which I refer and which is absurdly defiant of reason.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124571865270639351.html
What is it in us that deprives, not just an individual, but an entire nation of rational thought.
June 23, 2009 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Upon learning of his son's death, the elder Mr. Alipour was told the family had to pay an equivalent of $3,000 as a "bullet fee"—a fee for the bullet used by security forces—before taking the body back, relatives said."
I heard something on this...on cable I should think..
This is revolting...
Thank you for the link TPC
June 23, 2009 7:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
TPC, I am of course attacking literalists....
As a matter of fact I have a line (probably many) in the essay that incorporates your point.
I was trying, and am trying to get to another level of meaning. John's Gospel has always grabbed me for a number of reasons. But that opening song, psalm, prayer, whatever...
I am not arguing a code. But eventually I get back to my buddy Julian Jaynes...
Genesis stays around and alive for so long...just like the epics of Homer. But the two creation myths really get to me.
Sorry If I go on and on....I do like this stuff.hahahahaha
June 23, 2009 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it? Or might it be better to ask whether it means the same thing to every utterer.
a rose is a rose is a rose
A rose is a Golden Girl, Lives on Second Avenue, and is possessed of greater virtu than all those roses who didn't bear Jesu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y2eqJae5KA
But roses have nothing on frogs... a frog is bass bait, a gremlin with a magic twanger, a sock puppet who doesn't find it easy being green, who goes a courtin' and he did ride (uh huh, uh huh), a species endangered by mold, a product of a certain genome. Found divisible on countless 10th grade biology lab tables, its hinder parts taste just like chicken(or so I'm told).
The clarity and the ambiguity of words make human life possible, which may be a gift or a curse, depending on what side of the bed I wake up on.
Fun post.
June 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Make sure you read my reply to you Professor. I hit the wrong button again. It is two down from yours.
June 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look what you hath wrought!!! So many comments and replies that this year older gal can't work her way through them. Just wanted to say - I think your way of analzying (?) the Bible is unique. My Dad used to read to me when I was a child (many mooons or suns ago) and he put his spin on the Psalms and Parables. I loved his way of putting things and the Bible became alive because of it................You have a knack of making things alive too..........Bless You
June 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
See, Daddy made the Bible YOURS. What a wonderful thought. Do not worry about the bishopric or the Holy See....
Your Dad made the Bible yours. This really adds to a large number of comments I never predicted.
June 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
A new day has dawned professor. I have to render unto you the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here TPMCafe Site, given to all of you from all of me for this gem:
"The clarity and the ambiguity of words make human life possible, which may be a gift or a curse, depending on what side of the bed I wake up on."
You are a little older than me, but this line surely applies to me also. hahahaha
June 23, 2009 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I prefer the Uitoto (Colombia) version:
1
In the beginning, the word gave origin to the Father. A phantasm, nothing else existed in the beginning; the Father touched an illusion, he grasped something mysterious. Nothing existed. Through the agency of a dream our Father Naimuena [he who is or has a phantasm] kept the mirage to his body, and he pondered long and thought deeply.
2
Nothing existed, not even a stick to support the vision: our Father attached the illusion to the thread of a dream and kept it by the aid of his breath. He sounded to reach the bottom of the appearance, but there was nothing. Nothing existed indeed.
3
Then the Father again investigated the bottom of the mystery. He tied the empty illusion to the dream thread and pressed the magical substance upon it. Thus by the aid of his dream he held it like a wisp of raw cotton.
4
Then he seized the mirage bottom and stamped upon it repeatedly, sitting down at last on his dreamed earth.
5
The earth-phantasm was now his, and he spat out saliva repeatedly so that the forests might grow. Then he lay down upon his earth and covered it with the roof of heaven. As he was the owner of the earth he placed above it the blue and the white sky.
6
Thereupon, Rafuema, "the man who has the narratives," sitting at the base of the heavens, pondered, and he created this story so that we might listen to it here upon earth.
To me it's clearer. God wasn't telling anyone what she was doing - it was the act of speaking itself that constituted the creation.
I think we all have fleeting memories of our young lives before we acquired language. Since there are no words to support them, they come as phantoms, wispy impressions. I actually remember the feeling in my nose when I was crying, and a very unfocused mental picture of the wall paper near my crib. This is a glimpse into time before creation when the great Logos intervened. Language and consciousness are inextricably braided - the birth of the ego is the first act of semiosis.
June 23, 2009 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the beginning.......
Yes kind of a phylogenetic evolution reflected in the ontological history of the organism. ha
I like this a lot Neoboho. A lot!!!
June 23, 2009 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another winning blog, dd. unfortunately the people who need to read it most it most wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about.
June 23, 2009 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahaha. FDR I am attempting, if I continue with this essay, to provide ammunition against the literalists. THEY ARE AMONG US. There are too many to just ignore.
But I really think there is a thread from Genesis to John so to speak. I think it all has to do with the word.
It is a cognitive thing in the end. Epistemological in nature, etymological in nature, etiological in nature, anthropological in nature....
The real aim of the essay was to get to the WORD and to rail against some of the idiots on tv who claim to speak with God.
June 23, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes I envision God as this dude who works in a lab, and one day he put this stuff on a slab, and then, as all scientists do, he squished this stuff down on the little rectangle of glass with one of those tiny squares of plastic, right in the middle, and then he started studying it under his microscope and watched as things started to expand.
And all his scientist buddies at the lab start laughing at him for thinking it's a real micro-organism that he's studying under the glass, and he feels kinda bad and kinda stupid, and he abandons his little project and moves on to something bigger, leaving us expanding and expanding and growing and growing under the little plastic square, on that little rectangle of glass, until we can expand no more....
Other times, I just say, "We'll never know, so...wtf does it really matter, anyway? Just be nice to each other and hope for the best."
June 23, 2009 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF? Oh Wait till Friday. hahahahaha
LisB I believe you have more a dadaistic view of the universe.
June 23, 2009 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, well, some say I'm always looking for Dada.
June 23, 2009 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree that the author of John was going along the same track as the author of ברשית. John may have been invoking it or not, but his language ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος is invoking Platonic, or at least Greek, philosophy directly. Significant is the use of the proposition 'pros.'
That synthesis might be argued by anyone reading Philo or his followers, but I think that the P author of B'reshit was working within the framework of Mesopotamian myth—b'reshit etc. meaning 'when in the beginning,' c.f. Enuma Eliish, when on high—not Greek mythology. At least that's the critical studies version.
From the point of view of theology, 'elohim in B'reshit is not as sophistically developed of a concept as theos in John and doesn't quite have the attributes of the infinite omniscient later God yet. There was still stuff there—water and earth.
What you've done is use the Christian mode of interpreting the Bible to point out a parallel, but we had the Torah first. (;
June 23, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes you did. And I am speaking as an amateur to the left and challenging protestant literalists. Which is a whole different subject. ha
Thank you for this. Yes I agree that the Book of John is much more complex as it should be, separated by a thousand or more years from the songs that eventually made up Genesis.
It is some evangelical Protestants (who not so many decades ago hated the Jews, ha) who are taking this ridiculous stance.
And my Catholic Bishops version speaks of p, and three other writers of Genesis...
It is my understanding that most Jewish intellectuals agree with many of the perspectives of the Jesuits in the acceptance of Darwinian theory, etc.
Oh and I was and am seeking a definition of Word...
Again, thank you. You give me much to think about.
June 23, 2009 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the beginning was the word, and the word was "cockroach."
(See past two weeks of 9 Chickweed Lane, beginning on the 9th and enjoy):
http://www.miamiherald.com/comics/story/779204.html
It occurs to me, DD, that you would make a much jollier God than the Monty of 9 Chickweed Lane. But that job's taken, so why not bring some fun and frivolity to the Vatican? Pope DD XXIV -- a blog here, an edict there and a good time would be had by all.
Just a thought.
June 23, 2009 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am afraid I will remain a lackadaisical laic who loves it from the side lines. Ha!
June 23, 2009 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot kudzu, WW. Or perhaps Kudzu will be the end - after humans are gone.
June 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"In the beginning was the Word
The Word was in God's presence,
And the Word was God." that refers to genesis 1:1
so bereshit 1:2 is after because in the beggining God created the earth and he was one with it.
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Noah wrote the first five books of the bible.
(the torah)
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Has anyone consider were the bible realy came from.?
ofcorse it came from the catholics but were did they get it is were it all began.!
Israel/Jerusalem
they study the bible as their history, because it is their history.
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just something to think about.!
=]
December 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
(2 Peter 3:8) 8 says that one day is with God as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. . . take you back to genesis 1:1
December 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink