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GEORGIA ON MY MIND


 

Nathan Deal
Nathan Deal




U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, a Republican candidate for governor of Georgia, has proposed changing the long-standing federal policy that automatically grants citizenship to any baby born on U.S. soil, a move opposed by immigrant rights advocates.

Supporters of Deal's proposal say "birthright citizenship" encourages illegal immigration and makes enforcement of immigration laws more difficult. Opponents say the proposed law wouldn't solve the illegal immigration problem and goes against this country's traditions of welcoming immigrants.

Automatic citizenship is enshrined in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." That provision, ratified in 1868, was drafted with freed slaves in mind. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/26/nathan-deal-georgia-lawma_n_207485.html

 

This an example of what I was talking about in a previous blog. http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/dikkday48yahoocom/2009/05/o-loo-cee-you-got-some-splaini.php#comments

You see, like w's OLC, we need to stop back a bit when we look at our laws and our Constitution. We need to THINK outside of the box, so to speak.

Now the sixth grader--you know the hypothetical sixth grader that appears to know more than the 'man on the street' confrontations made famous by Leno--might look at that sentence in the 14th Amendment and think: Hey, if I was born here, that makes me a citizen.

Whereas someone like Yoo or Bybee might think: Hey, this clause appears to only refer to freed slaves.  And everyone knows that the Mexican slaves that cross our borders and work for $4.00/hr under the table so to speak, are unfreed slaves.  So that their children are also unfreed slaves, and, well, this Constitutional Provision could not possibly apply to them and their ilk!!!

And we sure do not need more citizens like this in Georgia!!!  For Chrissakes!! (Blesses himself)

I mean, its NO BIG 'DEAL' so to speak. And it certainly is no big deal to Deal to find a new deck to deal from, so to speak. Or at least be able to deal from the bottom of the deck provided by those goddamnable northerners. (Deal refuses to bless himself)

What I admire is how repubs 'frame the issue' and provide those profound catch phrases to further their legislative aims:

They call U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants "anchor babies" because, when they become adults, the children can sponsor their parents for legal permanent residency.

Isn't that just precious?  Anchor babies. Brings new meaning to that great American lilt: Anchors Away, does it not?

I mean, look at how Georgia got around the 15th Amendment:

Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude--

Now it took Georgia ten years to think about this one!!! I mean Negroes were allowed to vote. Even after the Federal Troops left in 1877 or so, the powers that be had to ponder this one. But then, someone like Yoo or Bybee saw an opening by looking outside the box, so to speak:

13th Amendment:

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Georgia, with a prison population in excess of 47,000 inmates has the sixth largest prison system in the nation.  http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/Reports/AgingPopulation.html

64% of those in Georgia Prisons, are Black.  29% of the population in Georgia is African-American. (It is estimated that soon 10% of the prison population in Georgia will be Hispanic. See, Georgia is working on this too.)  At any rate, Georgia figured out that if you simply convicted the blacks, you could reinslave them and that was the best way to take away their right to vote.  Remember now, once you are convicted, even though you eventually get released from prison, YOU STILLCANNOT VOTE. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13000.html

How is that for thinking outside of the Box? Ha!!!

So how hard is it going to be for Georgia to get around the 14th Amendment, with mind's like this?

AP -- U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, a Republican candidate for governor of Georgia, has proposed changing the long-standing federal policy that automatically grants citizenship to any baby born on U.S. soil,...

AP -- U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, a Republican candidate for governor of Georgia, has proposed changing the long-standing federal policy that automatically grants citizenship to any baby born on U.S. soil,...

 

GEORGIA ON MY MIND

 

Georgia, Georgia, we cry the whole night through

Just the same old song

Keeps Georgia, far behind

Talkin' about Georgia

Glad I'm not in Georgia

I have an Hispanic name

With that same old song

They'd be mad I came

 

I said Georgia

A song of woe

No peace would I find

How can they be so unkind


The sheriff's arms reach out to me
To put me in the penitentiary
Such unpeaceful dreams I see
The road gangs block my view
Georgia, cruel Georgia, no peace I find
Just the same old song
Keeps Georgia  from my mind

 

Sharecropper farms dot the land
Worked over by Hispanic and Black hands
There is no justice that can really stand
The white man's boot on you
I'm not in Georgia, Georgia, right wing Georgia
No peace, no peace I find
Just the same old song
Keeps Georgia out of my mind
Just that same old song
Keeps Georgia forever out of my mind


Apologies to Ray Charles and Seashell



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It's just incredible, the lengths gone to in order to give the pretzel one more twist to make it do what it isn't meant to do in the first place.

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Giving the pretzel one more twist...Brilliant Flower, just brilliant.

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Not to mention the newfangled poll tax Georgia instituted in 2005 and later overturned. There's a long history of xenophobia/racism in the 'Peach state.

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Mighty peachy of the them, huh. Thanks for the links Miguel. Fifty years and the same old aims by some of these sons of bitches.

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Actually it was a US appeals court that overturned the law. What a peach!

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Congressman Nathan Deal is correct.
This law has been misinterpreted as it was strictly meant for emancipated slaves after the Civil War. It was never meant for illegal female immigrants coming to America. Having babies who fraudulently get citizenship. on our soil. So they could access free health care, education and a lot more benefits, unavailable to citizens and legal residents. Learn more NUMBERSUSA.

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Babies are fraudulent. How quaint!!! Malice aforethought. How delightful!!

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Thanks for this, dd. (I was busy most of the day.)

This is simply horrifying! All countries, so far as I know, recognize that anyone born on their shores is entitled to citizenship. This absolutely flies against international law.

I've just been reading how scared repubs are that any opposition to Sotomayor could lead to the equivalent of electoral suicide among Hispanics. So this is just the nail in the coffin for them, isn't it?

Good catch. Kudos, dear dd! :)

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Did you read this Brittanicus guy above you? According to him babies are attempting to fraudulently procure citizenship.

I will give you an example where a European Country would not grant citizenship based upon where the baby was born.

NAZI GERMANY!!!!

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Actually, this is (or was) true about modern Germany, as well. I was born in Germany in 1970, but was not granted citizenship because my father was not a German citizen. (Neither was my mother, but in 1970 the law was that your father had to be a German citizen. Obviously, this was a reaction to the number of US servicemen fathering babies to German women.)

I'm glad we don't do that, but there are several modern countries that do require one or the other parent to be a citizen for the child to be a citizen.

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Thank you for that Nebton. I actually learned something. I mean YOU WERE THERE. HA

Hard to argue with that!!!

Thank you again!!

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Hey DD.

International law was my first thought and my guess is that this rep may not be too know much about that to propose such idiocy. I feel embarassed for this man and for our education system.

Things like this get me rooting for the evolution of the human species:)

Immigration will never be solved by ignorants. It is natural for human beings to reach for a better life for themselves and their children. It is our responsibility to set and enforce our boundaries/limits. An integral solution is called for.

Scapegoating, making others the excuse for our own shortcomings(which is what I feel is behind a lot of this misery...i.e. taking things out on others) is just plain foolishness but clearly when one is at a developmental level such as this rep appears to be... he is not prone to take responsibility.

Again... I energetically rooting and cheering for the evolution of our species so we can put some of this kind BS behind us.

(our area was struck by lightening this weekend... had no service and it destroyed my daughter's computer... it was an internet break forced by nature:)

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Sync, when lightening strikes. Hope your daughter gets recompensed along with a new PC.

"It is natural for human beings to reach for a better life for themselves and their children."

Fine sentiments indeed.

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No European country gives citizenship based on where a baby is born. They give it based on the parents' citizenship. The US also gives citizenship based on parents' citizenship if the child is born outside the US.

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I will take a look Desi. But would you really wish to go back say 40 years ago, do some research, find out that Jesus Martinez was born in New Mexico and his parents were not citizens. Or that the parents had only temporary green cards.

And so Jesus Martinez is really not a citizen. And his daughter born 20 years later is therefore not a citizen either. Nor her newly born baby.

COME ON. GIVE ME A BREAK DESI.

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Sorry, I'm not sympathetic. People are citizens somewhere, unless as Marx notes there are "special circumstances", in which case the EU has some measure to grant citizenship. A baseball strategy of tagging 3rd base before they tag you out is rather absurd for citizenship, especially with all the traveling people do these days. Hey, I want to give birth in Qatar, oil money for my kid for life!!! Your equation is that I should be worried that some parents lie about citizenship to give their kid citizenship, and it might get found out, so we should just go ahead and give citizenship anyway. (With Cubans it's even more absurd - if the adults just reach the shores they get citizenship). Sorry, I like controlled immigration, whatever the quotas and methods we decide for an immigration policy. Children of citizens should be citizens; allowed immigrants become citizens. If it were 1840 and we had a lot of frontier to fill, I might feel a bit different.

Also, the current policy overwhelmingly favors high Mexican immigration. Why do we want 60% or whatever of our immigrants to be Mexican rather than a smoother blend of Argentinians, Peruvians, Ethiopians, Indians, Russians, Vietnamese, Irish, Iraqis and so on? We typically have immigration in waves, but we don't have to encourage tsunamis.

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(EU countries will give citizenship based on location of birth in some specialised circumstances, and in the event the child would otherwise be stateless. Notably laws concerning residency are somewhat different than in the U.S., too.)

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Thank you for this Karl. Thank you very much!!!!

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Wrong, atomic bomb guy. Every EU country has a method to gain citizenship if you are born in the country, and you can gain citizenship regardless of where your parents were born, even if they are not citizens of the country.
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For instance if you are born in Sweden, Germany or France of foreign parents you can become a citizen if you meet some basic requirements, like being age 14-23 and requesting citizenship, have lived in country for 5 years, have ties to the country, and reside in country. In the last ten years all EU countries have a route to citizenship for all who are born there.

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Racism is alive and inhabits a long history in the immigration discussion.

There is an interesting loophole here in that the Constitution does not mandate race-neutral naturalization. Until 1952, the Naturalization Acts written by Congress still allowed only white persons to become naturalized as citizens (except for two years in the 1870s which the Supreme Court declared to be a mistake). – “naturalization” -wiki

We can’t let this Deal go down without talking about race. You really nailed it. Thanks.
Here’s a recent article about segregated proms in Georgia NOW.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24prom-t.html?_r=2

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Jesus Strato (Blesses himself). It must be confronted wherever it shows its ugly head. ha

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Yep. From the NYT article:

Trying to explain the continued existence of segregated proms, Edge falls back on the same reasoning offered by a number of white students and their parents. “It’s how it’s always been,” he says. “It’s just a tradition.”

Hmmm. Tradition?

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The U.S. also denied birthright (jus soli) citizenship based on race. Most notably in the case of slaves and of members of Native American tribes. Denial of birthright citizenship was critical to the maintenance of slavery as children of slaves would have been born citizens (and therfore by law "free").

The Heritage Guide to the Constitution. Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States. In 1857, the Dred Scott v. Sanford decision had held that no black of African descent (even a freed black) could be a citizen of the United States.

Native Americans were denied birthright citizenship until 1924.

The original naturalization legislation required:

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
"any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years,"

The "free" component was largely to deny indentured servants citizenship eligibility.

If Deal, or others, want to challenge the birthright citizenship of immigrants (legal or undocumented) then they should challenge it under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, and not by spouting rhetoric and pushing for new legislation.

The use of citizenship criteria (birthright, by blood - jus sanguins, and through nationalization, has consistently been a racial issue in the United States.

Lou Dobbs, and others, loudly spout that their fight against "illegals" is not racist. This is patently not true. Whether they are intending it to be racist or not, their arguments are received as legitimating racist attacks on people perceived to be illegals of Mexican descent. The focus is not on undocumented immigrants of any other race - including those of European, "Asian," or Middle Eastern descent.

As far as Deal goes, the guy is not playing with a full deck - IMO.

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See Rowan, you chime in at just the right time, with the goods in hand. Thank you for this. Very well thought out.

We need a little research from time to time.

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No need to apologize on my behalf, dd. Only because I'm forced to make a choice in order to drive and vote am I citizen of any state in the US. I would much prefer "Citizen of the World".

But since I'm forced, I chose the lesser of two evils and am thus officially a resident of Florida. Not that I'm sayin' the Florida legislature is such a great bastion of deep thinkers, either, but when compared to Georgia's, well, let's just say I picked Florida.

Another asshat from Georgia, Paul Broun, has proposed that the year 2010 be made "The Year of the Bible". There is nothing too asshattery for this crew, it seems.

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A little tongue in cheek. You explained Atlanta to me. Thank God. (blesses himself and seashell)

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Yes, an oasis of lovely blue surrounded by an ugly red. (Thanks for the blessing! Can't have too many of those.)

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Hey,

Can someone tell me the origin of the term 'asshat'. It seems to be unique to TPM or I just never heard of it before (feeling very ill informed)but having expanded its use to the practice of asshattery I thought perhaps I should find out. The meaning I believe I am picking up quite well but if you care to elaborate on that for kicks... it could be fun?

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Well someone found that this buttsecks and truck nuts came from some other site and I actually heard them on Jon Stewart.

I do not like the hole thing. It is toooo gross for me. I am probably stuck in some freudian poopy state of development or something.

I saw Asshat shortly after I showed up. It seems less obscene and since I stopped or at least cut down on obscenities--depending on my mood--I adopted it.

the end

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Right. I think the Wonkettes tm'd butt sects and truck nutz. It was funny to hear Stewart use 'trucknutz' recently. As Q says below, it is my memory that dij defined and elaborated 'asshat'.

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....and also ;)

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Thanks for the clarifications everyone. I first heard the term and have often heard the term used by LisB:) Now, when I start using and elaborating with the term, I can do so with confidence.

Sorry for having a bit of fun midst your serious blog dick. Since my only response to asshats such as Mr Deal is to cheer on the evolution of our species, I was distracted;)

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I only do this FOR FUN in the first place Sync!!!hahaha.

You enliven the blogs around here, even when you are not blogging.

And I love it when I get 50-60 comments. And I know you do too!!!

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Dijamo. She's the Queen of all ass words. Asshat, asshelmet, assacious, and many many more.

We have her permission to use it. ;-)

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Don't ass-ume the ass-hat without ass-king. Ass-pecially when you've been ass-ociating with the Hive di-ass-pora.

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You do realize that you are 'associating with the 'hive', right Des?

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Asshat and asshattery are very common terms, Synch. The Urban dictionary defines Asshat as:

One who has their head up their ass. Thus wearing their ass as a hat.
and asshattery as:
1. Acts committed by an asshat or asshats. 2. Engagement in an activity normally reserved for asshats.

The earliest known origin of the word "Asshat" is somewhat unknown and much disputed. However, the earliest usage that I know of is from a 1998 Google Group post by somebody named "Selena".

Asshat should not be confused with the term "Assrocket", which as far as I know is a term used exclusively for John Hinderaker of the conservative blog fame, PowerLine. But, alas, I am out of links, so will leave it to you to explore the wonders of Assrocket's world. Just do teh Google for the term.

Hoped this helped. :-)

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Geez.

We needs lots more seashells there

=D

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Yes we doooooo Bwak!!!

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Yes. More Seashells.
Wish I had a protective outer layer too.
A more effective conchology for ideology.

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Very true. I myself have feathers of iron. They rust sometimes and get a little heavy.

=D

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Got my vote!

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Paging Maggie two shells?

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Who reads the Constitution anymore? That's so 18th century...

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hahaha Crow you have a point. But why not back to basics!!!

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Ha ha ha, Now they are afraid someones going to vote and they Replicans sure as shootin cant win that way! I sure hope Deal knows how to wash his own dishes,mow his own lawn,get rid of his own garbage,repair his own roads,and all the other things sub wage immigrants do in this country.They are taking our jobs taking our jobs our jobs, yeah and aint you glad they do, if not you can have em back Mr Deal Pickle?
Thanks Dickday for all you pointed out, some super good analysis and painful truths.

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Thank you so much for the kind words DonDi. Much appreciated.

Yeah. Who is going to clean up the dog doo doo on his lawn?

And give him bj's in the pantry. ha!!1

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I cannot fathom what it is about a people who consistently want to toss out some or all of the Constitution because it's troublesome.

And as usual, it's the ones hurrahing themselves hoarse over the war dead, and shouting "Love it or Leave it!", who cannot live with the Constitution.

It's less a case of "A Republic, if you can keep it" but more of "A Republic, if you can find it in your tiny mind to endure the liberty it bestows."

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You got that right Chthonic!!! What is it that makes us American anyway. And with the oldest constitution on the planet, a document that others have attempted to emulate...We should be so proud of it. Especially after 1868.

Thank you for chiming in.

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But wait, there's more! If you like asshatery Georgia legislative style let's not forget that the Georgia State Senate on April 1, by a vote of 43-1, threatened to secede from and even disband the United States!

Yes it's true, not be outdone by Governor Haircut in TX and Michelle Bachmann (R-Crazytown) they decided this act was necessary cuz that new colored fella who was elected president wanted to give them money.

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Mark, I need a link or somethin. I have to see this.

Maybe Georgia Legislature? APRIL FOOLS DAY?

Not real funny!!!

I hate right wing crap.

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No, dd, not April Fools Day. It is Senate Resolution 632, with the innocuous sounding title of Jeffersonian Principles; affirming state's rights.

According to this latest in Georgian wingnuttia, if the Federal Government takes any action that in the opinion of Georgia's Republicans, exceeds its Constitutional Power including Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; then the USA can be disbanded.

According to Jay Bookman:

Now, to be fair, the resolution passed because it was snuck unnoticed onto the Senate resolution calendar on the 39th day of the 40-day legislative session, when senators were trying to handle dozens of bills and scores of amendments. Most did not have an opportunity to read the six-page resolution, which in its description claimed to merely affirm “states’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.” [Georgia Senate threatens dismantling of USA, 4/16/09]

The Resolution itself has no punch in the world of the law and reality, but it does serve to put Georgia's asshattery on full display.

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Thanks Seashell. I knew Mark wasn't playing April fools in May. What I was looking at was the April 1, date of the bill.

Thank you, as always for the ANSWER. HA

We need you at this site you know. hahaahaha

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Maybe Deal can get the Native American vote....

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AJM, what did he do, give em a casino?

It is like there is a parallel universe or something!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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These are a few of Nathan’s Deals:

Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border.
Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment.
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent.

http://www.issues2000.org/GA/Nathan_Deal_Immigration.htm

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The kind of guy that embarrasses you at home and abroad. Just a real prick. ha

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