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The Appearance of Impropriety


If you are a plaintiff in a law suit against the driver of another vehicle (read insurance company here), having lost a leg as a direct result of the accident, and you discover that the judge is sleeping with the insurance company attorney, would that bother you? Or that the judge had once sued your attorney for malpractice a few years prior in a matter involving a DUI citation and vehicular damage involving a transvestite prostitute?

Or what if you discover that the insurance company lawyer is the daughter of the judge, would that bother you?

What if you are suing a chemical company because there are green rabbits running in your back yard by a rivlet, your dog has a cancerous tumor in his stomach, you have been running a fever for three years, and you find out that the judge owns $250,000 in stock in that company; would that bother you?

What if you are a teacher at a middle school, and new computers are delivered to your classroom and you discover that the principal is a part-time dealer at Best Buy and that the computers came from Best Buy?

What you are experiencing in any of these cases is called 'conflict of interest'. The judge in all the above cases may be a tried and true man of unquestionable character.  He does not drink but nobody really holds that against him. He is a fine parent and a member of the Elks. And he does not play around on his wife even though she is 350 pounds of pure drool.

Would you still have your doubts that you could receive a fair hearing?

And the principal in the above example holds three masters degrees, a PHD, and he mows his lawn regularly. And yet, you discover that he has made $43,000 as a direct result of the sale of computers to your school and three other middle schools in the county. Would you have second thoughts every time a computer crashes and you learn that components to correct the situation will be made available some time in the next seven months?

What if you buy a horse on the sayso of a good vet and you find out that the vet received over $50,000.00 from the horse dealer in the last 16 months.  Would you have second thoughts?

Certain professions call for a standard of conduct that is stated as follows:

The professional must always avoid EVEN THE APPEARANCE of impropriety.

The judge in all the cases cited must recuse himself or herself from the case. 

The principal should have nothing to do with the purchase of computers from Best Buy if he works for Best Buy.

The vet should disclose that he makes a lot of money from the trader and that he really knows very little about vision problems associated with horses and the effects that partial blindness might have on the ability of a horse to compete in steeple jumping contests.

It is only fair. But this standard is somehow sidestepped by politicians all the time.  If a congressional representative advances legislation that would benefit a certain wind turbine company, we should be made aware that the proponent of the legislation has a personal relationship with a partner in the turbine company.  That in fact his no good son-in-law who has never held a job for more than 10 months over the last 15 years owns a stake in the company.

We just waved good by to an old man with a mechanical heart while he was being pushed out the door in a wheelchair who ran a company called Haliburton. He was given a golden parachute after the Supreme Court appointed him the the position of Vice President worth $20,000,000.00.

Within months of his appointment, his old company 'happened' to begin receiving 'no-bid' defense contracts that would ultimately amount to over $80,000,000,000.

Nobody seemed to mind this situation, if you will. Media asked a few questions and the conclusion on all the news shows was kind of bland. Oh Mr. Cheney is a great man of great character, a good parent, a man who has dedicated his life to public service.  Oh and Mr. Cheney has never killed a dog for failing to obey him, and he has never gotten drunk and thrown up on a waitress, and there is not a scintilla of evidence that he ever had sex with an underage girl in Brooklyn in the fifties.

The closest this country ever got to an inquiry concerning this issue was by Senator Leahy who shouted out to Cheney:  "Hows that Haliburton workin out for you." Or some such inquiry.  The only response America ever got from Cheney on this subject was said to Senator Leahy:  FUCK YOU AND FUCK OR MOTHER.  Or some such retort.

Where was there demonstrated even a scintilla of propriety in this governmental/corporate relationship?

On April 20,2008 the NYT published an 11 page article entitled: Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon's Hidden Hand, By DAVID BARSTOW. It began :

In the summer of 2005, the Bush administration confronted a fresh wave of criticism over Guantánamo Bay. The detention center had just been branded "the gulag of our times" by Amnesty International, there were new allegations of abuse from United Nations human rights experts and calls were mounting for its closure.

The administration's communications experts responded swiftly. Early one Friday morning, they put a group of retired military officers on one of the jets normally used by Vice President Dick Cheney and flew them to Cuba for a carefully orchestrated tour of Guantánamo.

To the public, these men are members of a familiar fraternity, presented tens of thousands of times on television and radio as "military analysts" whose long service has equipped them to give authoritative and unfettered judgments about the most pressing issues of the post-Sept. 11 world.

The effort, which began with the buildup to the Iraq war and continues to this day, has sought to exploit ideological and military allegiances, and also a powerful financial dynamic: Most of the analysts have ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they are asked to assess on air.

The results came quickly. The analysts went on TV and radio, decrying Amnesty International, criticizing calls to close the facility and asserting that all detainees were treated humanely. Over time, the Pentagon recruited more than 75 retired officers, although some participated only briefly or sporadically.

Fine. That coverage all had to do with media not disclosing the conflicts of interest. But I was much more upset about what I considered and consider to be outright graft by our retired military leaders.

 But in the summer and fall of 2006, even as he was regularly asked to comment on conditions in Iraq, General Marks was working intensively on bidding for a $4.6 billion contract to provide thousands of translators to United States forces in Iraq. In fact, General Marks was made president of the McNeil spin-off that won the huge contract in December 2006.

General Marks said his work on the contract did not affect his commentary on CNN. "I've got zero challenge separating myself from a business interest," he said. General McCaffrey was associated with this business enterprise and another one that involved over 350 million dollars in contracts

On May 13, 2008 MediaMatters began writing a series of articles on this subject:

Here's the key passage:

The Comptroller General has interpreted the publicity and propaganda riders to prohibit three types of activities--self-aggrandizement or puffery, partisanship, and covert communications. Applying these standards, we found the evidence insufficient to conclude that RMA outreach activities were improper. Further, we found insufficient basis to conclude that OASD(PA) conceived of or undertook a disciplined effort to assemble a contingent of influential RMAs who could be depended on to comment favorably on DoD programs.

With regard to RMAs who had ties to military contractors, extensive searches found no instance where such RMAs used information or contacts obtained as a result of the OASD(PA) outreach program to achieve a competitive advantage for their company.

Greenwald at Salon has extensively covered this story.

I discussed this matter a few weeks ago because I discovered a provision in one of the contracts noting that the amount of money to be paid to McCaffrey WAS CONTINGENT ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE U.S. STAYED IN IRAQ.

Do we, as Americans care about the appearance of impropriety any longer?

If there is anything I know about the media, as soon as some member of the New Administration proposes a shoe program for high schools and it is discovered that that member wears Nike's, we will hear about it for the next eight years.

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One benefit of a call for accountability and transparency is it brings with it fresh obligations like defending proposals against a press corps fresh from a coma.

I like that the corporate media seem to take cues from the blogging world now. Which leads me to believe that corporations are beginning to feel the heat of changing "consumer" expectations. That means the transformation is being pushed from the top and bottom.

I have no doubt that Obama will be able to raise the bar on all sorts of foolishness that has become second nature in this country. I think people are waking up to the fact that we can drive the narrative. It starts with paying attention to politics every two years and voting in every election.

It shouldn't take a political junkie to make decent decisions come election time. We'll see how the press play this chance at redemption.

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Yes, consumer expectations. I am a fan of the outright lefty Keith O. But the only reason he is on his own show is because of RATINGS.

The cable news people have on all these 'journalists' from so many great web sites, because cable owners know that there are a lot of people that read these news blogs.

Yes Jason, I am upbeat about the web, but I bore people with my enthusiasm. Real free speech. Not just to listen and read but to speak and write.

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Exactly right. I feel like the web enables 100,000 Twain's to ply their trade and hope to build an audience. The world's largest corner tavern. A true Public Square where we can all bore each other or gore each other depending on one's particular debating style.

Keith O. is the modern day television equivalent of Thomas Paine to me given the way he highlights places where our ideology and our ideals don't match up. Often angry and eloquent, not always pragmatic but typically spot-on in his analysis. He channels Murrow quite effectively as well and was indispensable during Baby Bush's tenure.

I remain optimistic that the scales will fall from all our eyes over the next eight years, allowing us the vision to truly chart a new course into the 21st century.

How's that for upbeat enthusiasm? :O)

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Jason ,
You are again on point and express views I have tried to express in other comments. We are all becoming citizen activists , preparing ourselves daily to take back our country as we better educate ourselves about such mundane an item as food safety - yep we really do need to have an effective FDA after all -stay away from the pb&J until we get the all clear on the salmonella.
The list of issues is daunting , but as we bring pressure to bear on the corporations for accountabilty - yes the corporate media will either follow ,or perish.
Keith Olbermann as Tom Paine - brilliant - btw Jason Leopold has his own website now " The Public Record " -maybe he is our present day I.F, Stone-
Heres a question for you -since you are retired navy - is there any peer pressure amongst these General Officers that would stop them from being the apparent war profiteers that they are evidenced to be ?

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Thanks for the kind words, Al. I am not familiar with Jason Leopold but will look for his site. I.F. Stone was another new name that I'll look up if it is appropriate to put him in the same thought as Thomas Paine.

While I didn't retire from the Navy, I do believe the system we have in place has been a revolving door of influence and nepotism since Ike warned us what would happen should we open Pandora's box to "defeat" the Soviet Union. The Bush administration pushed that in our face a little more obviously than most, but this is undue influence from the Military Industrial Complex (all of corporate America on their chosen markets, really) on American foreign policy is nothing new.

I think we are witnessing a new American story finally acknowledging the enemy who fell in Germany nearly two decades ago as the Berlin Wall crumbled under the sledges of the oppressed. We aren't the only ones suffering an inability to let go of our war-like natures. The trait is coded down to our DNA if exchanges around here, among people who mostly agree, are any indication.

I am glad to see a president who isn't afraid to set a new standard.

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Do we, as Americans care about the appearance of impropriety any longer?


I do. Not every time, but whenever I view something that somebody of supposed importance writes or says, I check backgrounds and sources. More often than not there is a little history that gives a taint to their statement.

But, I am only one American, dd. My grumblings on their own aren't very loud...but add mine to the mix and maybe it will help.

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There are a couple commentors who miss the point Flower. Thank you for weighing in.

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For a second, I thought you were talking about the NY public school system. Many of those examples you sited (rigged IT contracts, judges w/ conflict of interest, etc.) have been in my face recently.

A good friend of mine was just drummed out of the school system for pointing out theft of funding for special needs kids (ESL in her case). The official (who took at least 1.6 million) was allowed an early retirement. As we get further and further down the rabbit hole, the conflict and corruption is stunning; routinely special needs programs aren't implemented and the money provided just disappears. Apparently this is how it works in Chicago as well.

There are so many well documented instances already available on the web (along with some truly chilling accounts of people being harassed by thugs operating out of white vans) that clearly if the MSM wanted, there is more than enough to do a serious expose. It has created a feeling in my friend that pushing the issue will only put her life in danger and has no chance of doing any good. And there is some merit to the suggestion that posting the information on a website is pointless.

So, what's the solution? More and more it seems that nobody really cares (or are never given the opportunity to get all the pertinent information in such a way that the true situation is apparent). Even though bloggers can give big media a direction, it still seems that they have the ultimate control over what to uptake - and how they chose to present things will still determine general public attitudes.

For example, nobody will touch the pentagon pundit-for-hire program because the media themselves are the ones who are in the biggest conflict. They would have to admit they have been shoveling crap instead of honest news for years. That isn't seeming too popular as a topic for the media in general.

I wish I had your optimism. But this week, I'm just not feeling it.

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Good points. To many conflicts of interest. Every thing is interconnected at least amongst the rich and famous and infamous!!!KGB when you check back in take a took at a couple comments here.

unbelievable!!!

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Dick,

Halliburton is the largest trucking company in the US because it has the most trucks. It is also the world's largest oil service company. As such, it was uniquely suited to perform the work needed in Iraq. Would you have rather seen these contracts gone to the homeless?

Halliburton has gobs of common stock out. Dick Chenny had past financial relations with Halliburton. But you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the dem. leadership who doesn't have Halliburton in their portfolio.

Halliburton is an American success story. Wal-Mart is an American success story. McDonald's is an American success story.

Why do you so despise success in America? Why do you so lament our leadership role in the world?

Do your Marxist leanings prohibit you any pride in our country other than when you're presented the opportunity to cheer developments which harm us?

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I did a quick google on Pelosi's stock portfolio:

http://www.stockpickr.com/port/Nancy-Pelosi-Stocks/#stkPaging

Looks like at least as of 2006, she didn't have any Halliburton stock. You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Halliburton and whether a conflict of interest existed, but I don't feel very hard pressed. In fact, I'm hardly out 5 minutes.

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It's odd you would bring up Pelosi's name in the course of condemning republicans for conflicts of interest. You know who her husband is, don't you? You know the business they're involved in, don't you?

Halliburton can survive just fine without any government connections. Has since 1919. Hard to get oil to the surface without their services. Pelosi's family business couldn't exist without sucking off the government!!!

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Strange? You said we'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the democratic leadership who doesn't own stock in Halliburton. I picked the leading-ist democrat aside from the president and it took me less than five minutes to dispense with your assertion. Now you want to change your argument? How about admitting you were wrong first?

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Perhaps it's a matter of the facts being marshaled to a predetermined conclusion. (like the famous fixing of intelligence to fit the march to war)

But, let us await further elucidation here.

Meanwhile fare thee well.

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Or maybe it's a case of believing that if you say something, it's automatically true. Oh how I wish that were the case. I'd say something like, "It's 80 and sunny outside." Then, when I left for work tomorrow morning, I wouldn't have to scrape the ice off my car. Oh, the possibilities of living in a world where facts are negotiable.

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What a delicious idea!

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O, strange to find such defense of a Dubai Corp, huh?

Thank you for dropping by. I have to go visit Missy, I just woke up.

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Uniquely suited? How many of those trucks were in or near Iraq?

Halliburton is an American corruption story, and after looking back over some of your other comments, you are little more than an apologist for them and the banking industry representing yourself somehow as a Democrat in your profile.

It's how the success is attained that's the matter of concern here. A matter toward which I suspect you are deliberately obtuse.

Halliburton harms us more directly than Marxism ever might.

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Halliburton is a corruption story?!!!

Man, that's just pitiful. Founded in 1919, Halliburton is one of the proudest of American success stories. Like Wal-Mart. Like Henry Ford's company. Like Eli Lilly.

To you Marxists, if someone feeds Americans, puts Americans on the road in luxury, gives Americans bargains on consumer goods, heals Americans with medicines they've created, you necessarily call them corrupt and denounce them as greedy.

All the corporate entities I've cited have one thing in common. They've been generously beneficial for Americans. I don't think it's the companies you despise, they're too diverse. Its doubtless the Americans you despise!!!!!

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Renaye,

Go to Iraq and deal with Halliburton and KBR before you spout off at the mouth. Whatever the company's origins or history, Halliburton is now corrupt. They have no-bid contracts and operate outside the law. I will take the time to corroborate this with some anecdotes this week. For now, I rest on my ethos.

Go elsewhere with the BS.

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Hey Zip, you must have just dropped by.

Maybe the powers that be will give us all the info on exactly where all the money went, that is with regard to Iraq. Although it will be nice to know where the other taxpayer dollars went also.

The banks aint talkin. Hal aint talking, at least in English anymore.

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Hey, son!!

No-bid contracts are not strictly a Halliburton phenomenon. How about TI, all the defense contractors.

How about that Raytheon hand who was fingered for a CABINET position? Did you EVEN say conflict of interests? And by this 'president' who was 'corrupt' before he entered the primaries. And I don't mean just vaguely corrupt, I'm talking about CHICAGO corrupt.

Hillary of cattle futures trading fame whose husband will be traveling about the world sopping while she is SECRETARY OF STATE? That tax fraud who should be serving time in the Federal penitentiary and he's gonna be SECRETARY OF TREASURY? And you waste your time making vague, unfounded allusions to Halliburton?

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Wow . . .

You aren't too shabby... for an influence peddling fart dropper ... clothed as a small "l" libertarian, small "d" democrat you aren't fooling anyone.

Now run along a read your comic books.

~OGD~

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I Golden. Best avatar ever. I wonder if it does any good to chastise anymore.

Thank you for joining the discussion, as always.

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Not a Marxist, unless it's Groucho.

You clearly are mistaken, and not only about that. And you've been very, very busy today, spouting your "philosophy" about as though it had merit. Just whose payroll are you on, anyway?

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This gal sounds like Blagoyevich. He's getting ompeached for corruption and wants to suggest he is impeached for providing healthcare to the needy. Halliburton is a traitor. Gone to Dubai. Why are we still talking to this fool?

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Guys...in case you don't recognize the writing, I'm pretty sure renaye is spric reincarnated...He gets kicked off, she appears and the style, tone, theme and commenting on so many different threads w/ the same venom...coinkydink? I think not...A more clever troll would at least attempt to cover their identity, or perhaps sticking it in our faces was the point...

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Great catch, stiili! I do believe you are right. It is spric in a dress - a transvestite trash-talking troll telling tales.

I've now got him (her?) on ignore again.

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Wish I could take the credit...someone else (can't remember who) mentioned it 1st...

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Blago compared himself this morning (yesterday I think) to Gandhi and MLK. Now I actually feel sorry for him

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I keep sayin...only John Adams can portray him. He's beyond preposterous; he's operatic!

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I am really missing something here Grouch. I do not get how some would defend a Dubai corp like I told Orlando or how come someone would not see something fishy in no-bid contracts. At any rate, thanks for dropping in. Looks like I need all the help I can get.

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Well, this "Renaye" is clearly some sort of apologist for the hard-right corrupt Halliburtons and such. And she (?) is claiming to be a Dem - which I do not believe.

If you ask me, someone's on a payroll, being paid by the post. Go check the comments page on "Renaye" and you'll find a boatload of stuff - largely extreme histrionics of a far-right corporatist sort.

The other possible explanation is someone running out of antipsychotics recently.

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Renaye,
Halliburton also traded with Iran during the eighties and nineties -in direct violation of the US trade embargo. Halliburton too has routinely overbilled the taxpayers for work never performed in theater in Iraq- since the invasion - even when they had no bid open ended contracts they stilled ripped off WE the taxpayers .
Even more heinous -is that Halliburton/KBR has served our troops disease carrying water & food-
Plus they have killed at least two soldiers by shoddy electrical work -
There are many, many honorable corporations Renaye - kbrhalliburton is not one of them...

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Hi Al, really fine points. All I was doing was attempting to underline apparent conflicts of interest, appearances of impropriety.

Besides the contracts with Iran, I thought there were $70,000, 000 in contracts with Sadaam.

Maybe I misread something by a letter.

Setting up off shore corporations to hide their activities and further hide profits from the IRS.

Oh well. Thank you for two good comments.

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In short, not merely the "appearance" of impropriety. The active practice of it, I'd suggest.

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Look,

A war zone is an extremely chaotic place. When the smoke clears, it's easy for the underhanded to come in under the shelter of protection created partly by Halliburton's efforts, go through reams of records, find little inconsistencies and make mountains out of somethings that might not even bes molehills. That's what you're trying to do. It doesn't surprise me, that's what Marxists do!!!

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How would you know anything about it? Have you talked to people who have been there?

Or do you just listen to Rush for your propaganda?

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Soothing bwak...

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Hi Bwak, how are the feathers doin for ya?

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My feathers are just fine, dd. I am, as always, peeved at smartasses who wax knowledgeable about "war-zones" that have neither the courage nor the gumption to participate in them.

I have talked to enough veterans to know that Ranaye is peddling some fairly outrageous codswallop. She does a grave injustice not only to our military out there, which has had to put up with Halliburtons shameful inadequacies, (dirty water, rotten food, deadly incompetence), but also to her fellow citizens who are fully entitled to demand a transparent accounting for the billions spent on services they have not received.

I am, in short, disgusted by Renayes utter ignorance.

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Bwak, I like your energy. A lot of energy.

But we cannot let them get to us.

It hurts when we see the real results of what w and others have wrought--and realize they all got rich doing it.

ack ack ack

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Ah, interesting indeed. So Marxists are the troublemakers trying to hold corrupt, thieving corporations accountable?

+1 for Marxists then!

DD's post was about conflicts of interest and it seems you were too busy playing corporate apologist to notice.

The point you're missing is that even if Halliburton really is the scrupulous company you claim it to be - lets pretend Mother Teresa is CEO and Halliburton makes its money from wind turbines and hemp tote bags instead of crude oil and war profiteering - the fact that Dick Cheney received lots of money in the form of deferred compensation and stock options while he was acting vice president IS STILL A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

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Ickx, That is my point. Again, the burden of proof shifts. There is a real problem in this country. All the people in power are so dirty.

A lot of them wish to do 'the right thing' but humans tend to talk themselves into what the right thing is.

If it were not for z corporation, I never would have run for office. I owe them something.

I am rambling. The new Prez has instituted the type of ethics standards that have long been lacking.

They do not go far enough as far as I am concerned, but, the President has made a start.

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Hold your fire, DD. Please, allow me...
Renaye:
Mr. Day has just given you a clear definition and several examples of CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Were you daydreaming? Staring out the window? Thinking of other things?
Perhaps you have ADD? If so, still no excuse; that would only make you a member of a very large club, represented fully here at TPM, as everywhere else.

Cheney had, and may still have ties to Haliburton; yet the company was awarded "no bid" contracts.

Mr. Day rests his case. The jury has voted 11-1. So you must be that juror everyone hates who doesn't get it, refuses to get it, but, instead, has a half-baked idea of your own that you will not let go of... as hours, and then days pass in deliberation and revotes.

The government's only alternative was to award the contract to the homeless???

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Second!

The issue is not THAT Haliburton got the contracts. It's HOW they got them. If they were legitimate competitive bids and HAL-9000Burton got them there'd be nothing to talk about. These were non-competitive bids let by the CEO of the winner. Conflict of interest? How could there not be!

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Hi CL, I was thrown for a loop until I saw than there was only one person for the big H. At any rate, thank you for dropping by.

What I like about my addiction to the web is that nobody has the appearance of impropriety. We just state our views and go our way. And hopefully pick up friends like you.

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I (almost) always drop by :-) Wouldn't miss one of your posts for a doughnut! Two creme filled and a coffee and I might miss one.

Besides how else am I supposed to waste a perfectly good afternoon?

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CL, I would be at least late to my own blog for two cream filled. hahahahaha really, no joke.

It sounds that, unlike me, you have a life. But be sure to post something one of these days. Your sentences are well formed and I would like to see your paragraphs.

Get mad about something and POST!!!!

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Belle, for a minute I thought maybe I was logging onto the wrong site. What the hell is this?

At any rate you have it right. I was talking about conflicts of interest and the appearance of impropriety and I do not have to prove anything.
Just the appearance.

Thank you.

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This is an outstanding blog, dd. You started out by helping us each to see how we'd feel if we personally had a stake in a small situation, close to our daily experience. And you helped us to see how a conflict of interest might deprive a person of justice - or would give the appearance of that possibility. How a conflict of interest might lead to graft, depriving a voter of having his or her taxes go to public services, while lining the pockets of an official. And then you moved to the wider field of national politics and how such conflicts of interest have operated - often to our detriment.

Ethics matters - as I've said on occasion. Attention to ethics matters. And the character of our leaders, our journalists, our educators, our public servants matters. If a society gets lax in attention to ethics the ordinary citizen suffers and thus the body politic suffers.

We're trying to help bring about change in America. Your blog is step in that direction. I salute you as a patriot, no less than the patriots who wrote centuries ago.

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I agree with TheraP. Great blog. I am new to this blogging community and I'm liking it.

We could avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest if, when the principals found themselves asking if it is okay to do something or not, they would default to not doing it.
Seems to me that if I am asking myself if something is okay to do or not, then I shouldn't do it. Because if I persist in asking myself the question I will certainly come up with a facile rationalization to do something I will probably regret.

Call me Pollyanna.

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Hey Bali, thank you for the kind words.

You think that if we went back to basics; basic questions. Why not start out all over again as Pollyanna? Why not be naive and ask questions?

Good points to consider.

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I do think we have a "good question" shortage. We sure don't have a shortage of answers, we can google anything and get a million hits/answers and spend the rest of our lives trying to figure out which ones back up our own positions.
Maybe really good questions confound us and keep us in an open ended inquiry.

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Cheney should be worried about war crimes, not monetary ones, but I'll take whatever semblance of justice anybody can come up with about now.

Enjoy.

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What happens if I see Haliburton come up on a Google ad while I'm surfing here.....

Enjoy.

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Thank you Tim. Good points as always. The problem of course, as you well know, is that you might be staring Hal right in the face and not know its Hal.

Some wholly owned and unknown subsidiary.

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Shoot your computer and put it out of its misery. That add indicates it's about to die anyway.

It's just the kind thing to do.

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Great points...great article! Thanks!

Jason, you have some great comments, and I agree with you...well said. I love your line about paying attention...so true!

Renaye...dear...you have got to WAKE UP!

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Thank you SKR. Jason is pretty good.

We all need to wake up a little, me too.

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Thanks to you both. Not all "conservatives" are cut from the same cloth.

Renaye's cloak is decidedly threadbare, though perhaps she could be pushed to acknowledge that despite an illustrious history of truly good works, many companies have taken the American public for billions in unaccountable and potentially fraudulent contracts because of the corrupt system we have allowed to evolve.

It would take a true ideologue to dismiss the fact that a history of good works doesn't necessarily make these charges of incompetence and fraud a non sequiter. If anything, the inverse is most certainly true. Absolving anyone of wrongdoing based on previous goodwill is an anathema to a country based on a system of laws.

Ad hominem attacks on Obama's supposed corruption aside, our arguments are self-evident enough truths to stand on their own without cries of "Troll!" and "Blasphemer!" and "Apologist!" to muddle the message. All that does is confirm in their mind all the propaganda and lies they have been fed. Present an unexpected face to many republicans and I suspect the response progressive get might be a surprise as well.

(Though I suspect some will accuse me of sophistry and trolling for even suggesting such a thing as tolerance and quiet confidence could in rule the day.)

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DD, Like TheraP I appreciate how you crafted a post to give us all a closer experience of the BS Halliburton and others have sold to the US. And sometimes, it was not selling because no products were produced it was just stealing.

It baffles me how people such as reynae are so determined to ignore the damage that has been done by these thieves. They challenge us and suggest we are not American, yet they have no determination to demand better of the corporations as though being a corporation is a blessing on all of us just because it exists. There were other vendors offering to compete with Halliburton at the time. This was a coup by Cheney fo rhis peeps as payback for the $20 million parting gift. AS IF there was nothing expected in return for a cool 20 mill.

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Yes Gregor, I think wwstaebler (I call her Southern Belle) really hit the nail on the head. She echoes your point:

The government's only alternative was to award the contract to the homeless???

You make me think about competent contractors out there, chomping at the bit to provide goods and services without paying themselves as management, tens of millions of dollars-hell hundreds of millions of dollars.

Thanks for the kind words.

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Those competent contractors out there are some of the ones that Halliburton subcontracts to. We should just cut out the ubermen [Halliburton, the Enron of service companies]
I saw some local contractors who were trying to bid for some of the Katrina business and they weren't even allowed to bid because they were told they didn't have the resources to get the job done. Then Halliburton hired them to do the jobs they were trying to bid on in the first place.
WTF?

I'm also sure that it is just a coincidence that the United Arab Emirates don't have an extradition treaty [nor coincidentally, Paraguay either, I believe] with the USA. Another coincidence that companies only have to keep their business records for one year in the UAE.
I'm sure that great American excess story, Halliburton, only moved there because that is where the business is, no other reason.

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Cut out the uberman. Jesus. You win the Dayly award of this site, granted to you from all of me.

What a great line!!!!!!!!

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many thanks from all of me to you

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Well, the appearance of conflict of interest is simply grounds for investigation and additional transparency. Such appearances don't bother me as long as they are cleared up in short order. Lynn at Defense is one such current example.

I rec'd your post despite the excessive introduction and blather. :-)


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Arthur, you have quickly evolved into one of the best posters at TPM. I truly stand in awe of your talent...You have mentioned several times that you have been living in "reduced circumstances." I think you could get paid for your writing...

I wouldn't begin to know how to go about doing that, but others here, do...you might ask around. I mean it big bro...you rock!

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Stilli, you and TheraP have not made my day, you have made my week. Such nice things said.

I will get a big head.

There are thousands of aspiring writers. I am having fun. And you and Therap really lift a down guy.

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You do not have to resign yourself to being in reduced circumstances, DD. We are a community with empathy and, of greater practical value, resources.
I relate to your dignified qualifiers; I, too, lost everything in the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan, in stages, for mutiple reasons, over the four years that have intervened.
If you want to discuss particulars -- either of what happened, or what would help -- I have set up an email account as follows:
" wwstaebler@gmail.com."
I would welcome hearing from you. You matter.

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"We just waved good by to an old man with a mechanical heart while he was being pushed out the door in a wheelchair..."

And I, for one, thought Lionel Barrymore as Mr. Potter never looked so good as he did in that wheelchair on the dais with the President and that right-wing whackjob Lynn Cheney.

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Sometimes you write a line, and you know this well, and no one but you seems to like it.

Thank you Sleepin. Awful cold up here, I hope you stay warm.

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