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Ever so often a man comes along, I mean sometimes a woman comes along, but this time a man comes along and clarifies.  He makes order out of chaos.  He helps us understand what seems to be incomprehensible. Jay Rosen has clarified a Fairness Doctrine, unwritten, but followed by the general 'media'. (Huff Post)

He tells us to draw a large circle.  I mean kind of a large circle, say a circle with a 5 inch diameter.  If you drew say, an eight foot circle you would have to do it on the floor and you could risk hurting your carpet.  Then draw a circle within the circle with a, say, 2 inch diameter.

This is the double circle visual aid to help us understand three levels of debate in this country.
I have changed the order of his discussion to suit me and my lame points.

Looking at the area between the two circles, Jay would call it the sphere of legitimate debate.

The inner circle represents the sphere of consensus.That upon which everyone, or mostly everyone agrees is incontestable.

1. ) The sphere of consensus is the "motherhood and apple pie" of politics, the things on which everyone is thought to agree.

The area between the two circles could be called the reasonable debate area.

2.) The sphere of legitimate debate is the one journalists recognize as real, normal, everyday terrain. They think of their work as taking place almost exclusively within this space.

The wacko sphere is that area outside the big circle:

3.) In the sphere of deviance we find "political actors and views which journalists and the political mainstream of society reject as unworthy of being heard.

This is all fine and dandy.  But it does not work.And I will show you why.

The tiny circle is now so tiny, metaphorically speaking that, it becomes inconsequential.

There is a significant percentage of people in this country that believe the earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old.  I swear to God that a couple weeks ago I turned on one of those 'community channels' by accident and a preacher whom I have seen before on real TV was pointing to a large picture of a moon of Uranus.  I missed the discussion but heard the conclusion:

AND THAT IS WHY THE EARTH COULD NOT BE OLDER THAN EIGHT THOUSAND YEARS.

How would I build a consensus with this reverend about anything?  It is organizations that include this idiot that finance Fred Flintstone museums that show man living among the dinosaurs.  I would say to these people, how do we see galaxies that are millions of light years from us if the earth were eight thousand years old? The light took millions of years to reach us. And, as I have pointed out elsewhere, they simply say that god can do anything and that the speed of light is not a constant.

Let us use this model of analysis on a more recent set of events.

Brad Schlozman worked at the DOJ as an appointee of w and was in charge of hiring.He testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that politics had nothing to do with his hiring policy. As reported at TPM, 63 of the 65 individuals he hired, were republicans.The investigation of his hiring practices cited docuements including emails and testimony of those who worked under him that he would never hire a liberal or anyone involved in 'ebonics'.   One person who had been a civil servant for 27 years with the  DOJ called Schlozman the single worse human being he ever worked for or with in the department.

Oh, and I should point out that BS was HEAD OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION.

In other words he lied to the Senate.  Flat out lied.  And the DOJ has decided not to prosecute.

Now there had to have been discussions within the DOJ concerning whether or not BS lied, about a material matter, to the Senate Committee.  The decision to prosecute was within the discretion of the DOJ. So there had to have been a discussion as to whether to prosecute someone who has lied to a Senate Committee while under oath.

Schlozman surrounded himself with like-minded officials at the Department of Justice. When he was due to meet in 2004 with John Tanner, then chief of the voting section, he asked how Tanner liked his coffee.

"Mary Frances Berry style -- black and bitter," Tanner replied by e-mail, referring to the African American woman who chaired the U.S. Civil Rights Commission from 1993 to 2004. Schlozman circulated the e-mail. "Y'all will appreciate Tanner's response," he wrote.

Now, forget the lying to the committee for a sec.  These two bastards still have jobs with the CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION of the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.  The main investigatory arm of the DOJ that is supposed to protect this nation from civil rights violations.

Oh and Tanner?  He is down in Alabama in charge of making sure everybody's voting rights are protected.

How in god's name could I ever, agree on anything with these two racist bastards?  And, how could I agree with the decision to leave them in their respective positions? I mean for a year, or a month, or a day or an hour? Which immediately brings to mind the question:  How could I reach a consensus with anyone in charge at the DOJ who did not fire their asses, immediately, no notice, for cause and refer the matter for further deliberations somewhere?

This new Attorney General who took over for Gonzo was supposed to be better, like the Secretary of Defense was better than Rummy.

This Attorney General, as far as I am concerned should be investigated for the single fact that BS and Tanner still have a job with the DOJ. To me, this is unforgivable. Which brings me back to the bible thumpers.

I could have dinner with the bible thumpers.  We could have a consensus concerning lying, stealing and killing people.  Sure, the BTs would maintain that killing is not all bad, as long as you are killing the right people.  Thou Shalt Not Kill would be subject to an interpretation by these people.  They would cite some Hebrew word and interpretation of that word, probably now the interpretation of a Jew, but we let that slide.

There is a good chance that the BTs would agree that all men are created equal and maybe even that women are also on a par with men, with some differentials involved.

There is a good chance that the BTs would be against racism but I might find that there are disagreements as to their opposition to 'affirmative action.'

But I doubt that I could come to an agreement with Tanner or BS on one single  thing, one issue, and if I did I would immediately question my reasoning in reaching that agreement.

So I do not know about you, but I have crumpled up my concentric circle diagram and thrown it on the floor.  It will eventually get into my garbage, but I want it to remain where it is so that I remember that DIAGRAMS DO NOT ALWAYS WORK.





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Brilliant post :) But I have to quibble with your assertion that diagrams do not always work. Sometimes, a good diagram makes everything clear as day.

There's going to be a lot of criminality from the GWB days that goes unpunished, but methinks Alberto Gonzales was dumb enough to get caught in the middle of everything. I'm expecting a preemptive pardon from GWB before he leaves office.

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Thank you Dijamo. Really kind words. Warms my toes as the cold sneaks in through the storm windows.

Slates diagrams are great. Like I said, new Attorney General has been doing a heck of a job hasn't he?

I may be surprised but I think in his tiny mind, that w is not going to issue those blanket pardons.
He would think he is admitting to something.

We shall see.

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Question, Dick: is the wackosphere capable of supporting intelligent life?

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Eric, I believe the Drake equation applies to the Whackosphere, as well as our galaxy.

The Drake equation is closely related to the Fermi paradox in that Drake suggested that a large number of extraterrestrial civilizations would form, but that the lack of evidence of such civilizations (the Fermi paradox) suggests that technological civilizations tend to destroy themselves rather quickly.

So, while there is no evidence to support the theory of intelligent life in the whackosphere, it doesn't mean there isn't some there. It also raises doubts as to the degree of 'intelligence' in said sphere.

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dijamo, I bookmarked the 'good diagram' to refer back to. We need something like that just to keep the players straight...who did what, where and when.
Migwetch (thanks)

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Thanks :) I bookmarked it when I saw this diagram because it was a visual eureka moment. Gonzo is the key to the whole house of cards - not in terms of responsibility since he was just a bobbing head doll. But he's at the center of all the major scandals. I don't think GWB is going to leave office with the possibility that Gonzo might be chargedwith anything for fear he flips on the bigger fish.

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Squeeze Gonzo and you get the toothpaste?

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From my recollection when Al was getting squeezed in Congressional hearings, it wasn't toothpaste that came out. Smelled more like fertilizer to me. :)

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Either that or Gonzo will be the fall guy. I think George II and President of Vice, Dick Cheney will be more then willing to give him up.

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They already kind of did that. I agree. But as I demonstrated in the other blog, Cheney loves blaming dead guys.

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"I want it to remain where it is so that I remember that DIAGRAMS DO NOT ALWAYS WORK."

That is the concensus about diaphram's too, which is why abstinence as the best poilicy is not debatable. U.S. pull out now!!!!


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Ricky, Dicky could not agree with you more. Pull out the troops. Let's leave the contractors there. We just will not pay them anymore.

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That'll teach them not to avoid foreign entanglements.

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Diagrams may not always work, but when they do:

http://thisisindexed.com/

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Grouch, these diagrams delve into real truths!!!!


hahahahahahah

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Thought you might appreciate that...

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But when they do I prefer Dos Equis.

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You have an ability to pull together strings hanging off different balls of string and say: "Wait a minute! Those strings have something in common!"

I like your mind, dd.

Now... when I get around to it, I'm gonna combine some strings too. Whether you call it the "Fourth Branch" or "We The People" - the govt works for us! And right now the govt is dragging its foot about whether "Justice" and "The rule of law" really matter in this country, whether the rich and powerful and "those in power" get a "pass" when they break the law - or whether We The People stand up! And say: "The Dept of Justice works for us!" And demand: "Investigate the crimes! Prosecute the law-breakers!"

Dawn Johnsen wants the public to be in the know about her job - the Office of Legal Counsel - and wants us pushing for her to do her job. Because unless we push for oversight and investigation and prosecution, it's possible crimes may languish without being prosecuted. Or that another administration could come in and use the OLC to do - all over again - what's been done under bush!

It's religious nut cases who believe the world is only 6000 to 8000 years old. And it was religious nut cases who viewed the Inquisition as a beneficial institution.

And I'm gonna take a look at those strings.. and tie them up into a nice bow. When I'm good and ready!

Thank you, dd, for not caving in to those who think we can just put these crimes behind us!

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I am working on the branch thing too and have come to a conclusion that branch does not work. Every single lobbyist is saying that he or she represents the 'branch'. That would mean 95% of all the captains of industry are represented in the fourth branch and the rest of us, just five percent. You see what I mean? I have a little history--not epic--but we must call it something else. Now tomorrow I was going to publish something on it. I could do that and then we could see the response.
Then move on to another thread by you about a new word or category and then action.
Now Flower has posted a way of getting views from this TPM Cafe group. It is clumsy but I kind of like it.

But I think you are going for a philosophical thread and then to action....

At any rate, I told you I was looking into the branch thing, and I have. If you wish me to post tomorrow I will.

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Well, I agree we might as well discard "branch." But focus on We The People as related to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. So a reminder of the importance of playing our role and to remind people that govt works for us - and therefore we need to inform ourselves about it.

So if you want to, go for it. But if your heart isn't in it, don't worry about it. The important thing is to avoid a fight over terminology. So WE THE PEOPLE is the way to go, I think. Who can argue with that? And who can argue with the importance of an informed citizenry? And who can argue against our right to free speech and assembly and petition? And if we are not involved in "oversight" of govt officials, then we might end up with another repub dictatorship.

In the long run it's the "character" of the leaders we elect - more than simply the policies. For goodness sake, Franco Spain had universal health care and trade unions for everyone. And nearly free education. But it was a DICTATORSHIP! So it's not just policies that should concern us. It's - Who holds the reins of govt?

End of rant.

I say publish whatever you feel moved to do. And my blog, yes it will be very philosophical, related to ethics and how Dawn Johnsen (and others) view the role of the OLC. But unless citizens demand govt that works for them, then the leaders may possibly demand govt that works for the president!

So I'm taking my time reading, thinking, and I may need more than one post to cover the issues.

PEACE! Solidarity! And SleepingJesus is with us!

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A return to ethics? Oh, I am so ready for that. I'd like to be able to once again say, "Yes, I am an American." without having to add, "You got a problem with that?"

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Yes, Ethics! That is the very word!

I did a post on ethics and boundaries and the need for politicians with character a few months back. And I'll pull a few quotes from that as well.

Peace be with you, Ethics-flowerchild!

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It is clumsy, I agree. I was operating within the framework that has already been set up at http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/

Most importantly though, I wanted to make sure people knew about the site. The last time I looked there were over 3000 ideas posted in the health care section alone. Even if you don't post your own idea, you can vote for others that you deem worthy.

Knowledge is power.

Also, I agree with dijamo's "brilliant post" comment.

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One again, you are always sweet to me and so kind. Steve Katz just posted another site on a comment.

They say DON'T JUST STAND THERE DO SOMETHING.

And you are the first with a plan and I am sticking to your plan.

This is fun though, is it not? Regular people making their views known?

I just love this web and this site.

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Yeah, the one thing I posted there yesterday was simply: Investigate and Prosecute War Crimes.

I didn't write anything except the one headline. I honestly saw no need!

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TheraP, I'm glad you rethought your position on the "4th branch" theory. I do note, unfortunately, that you didn't both to thank me despite it was my responses that got you to think more about it -- and you thank everyone else on this board for their contributions. Still, I'm feel good you were able to introspect about the issue -- despite the source of the initial criticism. Best to you.

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I remember learning as a child how the institution of the Magna Carta, was such a great step forward for our culture as it adopted the rule of law instead of a monarch's discretion. We are on that slippery slope. The descent of which ultimately leads to the disenfranchisement of the electorate in favor of special interests, be they financial or ideological. We've come closer to instituting that disenfranchisement in the last three decades than seems possible. Young black men have felt it all of their lives. Now the middle class is getting a taste of what it feels like to be caught up in the cogs of a society that values wealth and status more than justice. If there is one thing we must not let be taken away from us it is the truth. Prosecute the bastards. If as Dijamo predicts w issues a preemptive pardon, investigate in some other manner if for no other reason than to burn the ignominy of their disregard for the law into their consciousness for the rest of their days. Great post DD.

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Thanks Miguel. I always end up being a partisan. I do not believe that a Dem at the DOJ in the Civil Rights Division would disseminate racist jokes to his or her employees. It is inconceivable to me.

And if that happened, the employee would be axed that minute.

At any rate, you know everybody likes your health care logs and Flower has her cite just above you and Steve Katz has one in a comment on another site.

One log was more personal than the other. But at least send one if not both of them around the new messengers to government.I have not seen anything that matches your research and thoughts on this issue.

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What if we agreed to offer a pardon to all of them, but require they get on a plane to The Hague in order to receive the pardon from their countrymen. Would the world be as kind?

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Gregor, you brilliant poster, you!!!

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No Gregor, they most likely wouldn't and if I were them, I'd choose carefully which if any foreign countries they visit after Jan. 20. Fortunately, (I guess), for the criminals they are largely xenophobic f@#ktards, and will likely never leave the US anyway.

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Dickday,

The diagram you describe looks just like the attack plans of Caesar laying siege to an enemy encampment. ie. He would surround the enemy forces with a line of troops pointed toward the inside of the circle (sphere of consensus) and then form another line of troops pointed toward the outside of the circle (the wacko sphere) to keep the reinforcements from getting through to lend support to the main force inside.

Caesar (the press) would keep the wackos (reinforcements) away until those inside (consensus) were destroyed.

Your thoughts bear a striking resemblance to the Roman/Gaul wars and in particular Caesar's defeat of Versingatorix (the military leader of the Gaul tribes through what other than; consensus.

That Caesar defeated Versingatorix is not a promising result for the analogy.

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He brought Versingatorix to Rome. He wanted to show the senate a great leader. If others did not think his enemies great, it would diminish Caesar's accomplishments.

With our arms today, would not a battle plan using concentric circles end up being a circular firing squad?

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siege craft just aint what used to be but, in defense of the analogy, the press uses words and the media uses images as their weapons to destroy consensus.

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You know MJ, you make a very salient point here.

I am going to think about this. After all, what would the 'press' and 'media' have going for them if there were a large consensus on major issues?

There could be no good arguments (or bad) and therefore no good ratings.

I am going to think about this.

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I don't know what all that was about, but it was a waste of time trying to read it and make any kind of sense out of it.

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Mr. Spric, it is about the fact that I will hardly even find a consensus with you concerning any fact or issue. That is all it is about.

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Oh, bravo, dd!

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spric - dickdays writing is interesting and thought provoking and easy to follow - if you need help understanding his thoughts, just ask.

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TPM is clearly wasting your time. Thus:

Go in Peace.

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spric: You just made dd's point for him! Perfectly!

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dickday - You are so right my friend; so right about the circular firing squad. Yes, Caesar paraded him around and then killed him.

spric - just a curios historical analogy that came to mind

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Dear Dick;

I greatly enjoyed your post. However, I would like your advice. On drawing.

You see, I have a hard time drawing circles. Especially the corners. I can never get them straight. This results in a much more squiggly diagram, with lines that sometimes cross over.

Can you suggest any high-tech tools that'll straighten up my circles?

- q

P.S. I may or may not be a member of the media.

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This proof you are not a troll. If you were, you would be joining Bush and Chenney in their recent efforts to square the corners of their circles. :)

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Yes, Quinn, yes. It is called a protractor. Now do not get this confused with someone who just seems to go on and on in a speech or a comment or something.It has two arms, just like us. One arm has a sharp point. You must keep that away from your eyes and, in your case your ears.

The other arm has a place to put a little pencil. Pencils can be dangerous also.

You put the sharp point down you imagine the center of the circle might be. Then you put the other arm
as many inches from the center as you like. It is adjustable like many mortgages.

The you kind of make a circle with the pencil arm

Now, if you do this correctly, you will find no sharp corners, like the kind you probably have noticed on your cranium.

Thanks for your support.

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dambn you fickday. now i cant see tehe keybaotad jnot more. my eeys are beleeiding.

wy are you amricans alwaus gfivingthe world danegerous weapons?

p.s i donnt any lonfger want yor medical advice neether. spcailly on anal probes.

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Please keep in mind that 'protractor' and 'contractor' are not opposites...

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But Pro-gress and Con-gress are...

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Clearthinker! You made a funny! Bravo!

(True, too)

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Dick, your opening lines took me back to the Big Lebowski. (A film to which, by the way, every single blog on Earth should make reference.) From the intro (slight edit only):

"Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's the Dubya. The Dubya, from Crawford, Texas. And even if he's a lazy man - and the Dubya was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in all of Texas, which would place him high in the runnin' for laziest worldwide. Sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Well, I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced it enough." - The Stranger (Sam Elliott)

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One of my ten favorite films of all time. If I find it on, I will watch it all the way to the end.

I always figured I would end up in a Folger's coffee can. But my son has instructions never to mention the Viet Nam War during internment.

I can hear Sam right now.

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I can get you a finger.

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I think we need to drop random Lebowski bombs all over TPM.

Division-of-labor-wise, I think you get Seaton, Tom.

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Cosign. 'Specially Tom gets Mr. Gloom.

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Dang me, dang me, they ought to take a rope and hang me...

(Cite search contest.)

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Can God make a triangle add up to more or less than 180 degrees?

A simple question that undermines fundamentalist thinking. There are immutable laws; these laws weave together the fabric of our universe. If God could make a G sharp something other than a G sharp, would Eric Clapton exist? Silly. Kooks play games with reality, but reality is much more grand and baroque than their imagination can fathom.

The age of the universe does not eliminate God. It does eliminate the totemic sky God the kooks use to manipulate the feelings of the masses. The kooks need to foster delusions in order to create The Other. The worldly, decadent other with their sophisticated science that dilutes God's power.

Well, to anyone who has seen life at play under a microscope or streak across the heavens can only have their faith strengthened by scientific inquiry, because that inquiry can answer how but never why.

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Oh, I agree with that Zip. Thee are too many patterns in the universe and in what we call nature.

why do we have five fingers and five toes? I saw somebody on CSPAN mention this and seriously writing a book on that.

Why do solar systems and galaxies kind of exist on a plane?

I have no problem with a concept of god.

Just watching a pond come to life in the spring after a torrid winter like we are having.

The wonder of it all makes poets poetic.

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I can answer why.

Entropy, thermodynamics, and random chance within the physical laws of an infinitely complex universe.

I have no more problem with the concept of the all-knowing omnipotent deity than I do with the man in the yellow hat. That's a good thing because I make my living writing fiction, just like the men who wrote the bible.

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Triangles add up to less than 180 on negatively curved surfaces, and more than 180 on positive curvature, like Earth's surface. Only 180 on a plane.

"Why is there anything?"

"Why not?"

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Yeah Tom, no perfection. There is no plane in a three dimensional universe.

Platonic models do not translate into reality.

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So is there a G...G...God or is there a not G...G...God? G'dam Mr. Tomkins in Wonderland.

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Why we have five fingers and five toes is actually a mundane question long ago investigated by vertebrate comparative anatomists and embryologists. The evidence of this pattern is carried all the way through from the beginning of vertebrate history.

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MJ, the fellow I was referring to was a biologist interested in the issue of why. He, of course, was fully cognizant that there is a thread going back tens of millions of years.

Why would that pattern be there?

But this was only one of the patterns he was discussing.

Now the planets and galaxies in a plane type formation may just be a matter of how gravity works.

The first vertebrate that survived might have just had five digits by serendipity. But fish do not demonstrate a structure of five in their fins.

THE END.

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MJ, the fellow I was referring to was a biologist interested in the issue of why. He, of course, was fully cognizant that there is a thread going back tens of millions of years.

Why would that pattern be there?

But this was only one of the patterns he was discussing.

Now the planets and galaxies in a plane type formation may just be a matter of how gravity works.

The first vertebrate that survived might have just had five digits by serendipity. But fish do not demonstrate a structure of five in their fins.

THE END.

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And your theory that "Caesar defeated Versingatorix" by using 3 circles (beyond being unnecessarily showoffy in the spelling department), has recently been historically proven* to be (and as always, I quote) "a myth perpetrated by lying sacks of shit." (End quote.) (That's how we do it, when we historians kick some ass, take some names, and have ourselves a little party.)

Real story? Dude drew 5 circles, ok?

Two were just real small. And he drew 'em over by this tree. Whereupon he had advanced forthwith for a wee.

*For 50 cents I'll give you the link.

P.S. The link also proves that your "friend" Versingatorix actually went by a much easier name to remember. (I mean, Versing... WTF? That's a fart-filled kinda thing to name your kid, doncha think? Whatever.) Yep. All his friends know this, but just to cut you some slack (after the "5" thing, whereupon I may have been somewhat abusive), he was called Gatorade III.

Which is the purple-colored one. Man, he'd mix that stuff with some absinthe, and Wowza. Do. Not. Mess.

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Dick, this is meant for MuttonJ there, who clearly don't know their history from a kite in a kitchen.

(I like that saying. Just made it up. whaddya think? Potential?)

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Yeah, that Gatorade III was bad news at a party. Had the habit bad.

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the purple-colored one

I remember these purple colored double barrels...well, at least I think I remember them..

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That is just SO radically wrong. Mundane? MUNDANE!?!?! Why, nothing more clearly shows the (5-fingered) Hand of our Creator. (You have to Capitalize like that when mentioning Him.) Ok, evidence of design:

1st, how would we count to 10 if we didn't have our handy 2 X 5 helpers?

2nd, if you're so smart which one would you give up? Do you know how many valuable dirty hand signals you'd be bereft of? You be of bereft? Of which you couldn't do? Whatever.

3rd, well, since now you know I'm counting on my hands, pretty clearly you're guessing which finger I'm looking at if I'm at "3." And it's for YOU.

4th, who says five digits were there ALL the way through verterbral history? Were YOU there? Thought not!

5th, see how nicely this rounds out, now that we have 5?

Mundane... my crack.

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Quinn, I crash and wake up to find a variety show on my blog.
Vertebrates have backbones, I think that I lack one from time to time. Speaking of time to time it is fifteen after which is 3x5, and I knew a guy who had lost his right hand and could only count up to 15, so he could not get into MIT and ended up going to law school. It was a very sad story.

I only capitalize God when I feel guilty. I only capitalize hand when it comes at the beginning of a sentence, which I think is your normal habit.

Your eyes have clearly healed or else you purchased one of those neat Braile (sp) keyboards.
Cheney uses two concentric circles when he hunts Quayle which is why Quayle does not spend a lot of time with VP's anymore, at least for the last eight years.

You can see that when I am alone I think I am as funny as you are, but I am not. I get like this when Jughead is not on Mornin Joe.

Do you capitalize Jughead?

Our current president (whom I never capitalize) capitalized a lot of banks.

THE END

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