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I just read an instruction blog as Salon. Open Salon has 4,000 people trying to write and be read..I had only one post that had as many as ten comments and recs. I will still send a post down there once in a while and I look for four writers I enjoy. Like the newspapers I read or other news sites like Politico and Daily Beast, one can bring nothing to the table unless one does some hunting.
The problem at Salon is that once you post, you have about fifteen minutes to half an hour and you are not on the front page anymore. That is unless you get four or five comments and 'thumbs up' in that period.
Now I just got into this wonderful addiction. Due to some neurological problems, I got to the point where I could not put three sentences together for many years. There was too much noise. Noise is chaos.
At TPM, there is such a small group that your post can sit up on the front page, so to speak, for hours. There are other reasons for being at TPM. Yesterday somebody was trying to use Café to sell insurance. I wrote to TPM at their comment site and complained. I was not the only one. I took off for three or four hours and came back and the spam was gone.
TPM also brings all these experts in at its home and Café and we get to post comments to Secretary Reich or Nobel Laureate Krugman or top economists, etc. Muckraker is fun. Election Central is good. And things written here are cited on cable news. This is the best of all possible worlds.
I do not see how Café can sustain this world because more people will join once they see they can post and get comments. Well researched posts like those from SleepinJeezus or TheraP. Poets like TheraP or LisaB or Orlando.. Well reasoned comments and posts by Stillidealist. And yet someone sees something funny in a news post and cites it and it creates a whole discussion.
Lux, Pseudo, Miguel and Stilli are constantly commenting and posting and kidding and arguing and all the good things you get to do here. And Bwakfat-what the hell is a bwakfat? And Astral can do a good rant and then get into some technical stuff that loses me completely and 20 people chime in to what he is talking about.
And when you just think you are doing well the Old Grouch catches up to you.
You can take time to drink from these wells and ponder how they strike you. I am here because I posted something I thought silly at the last minute and was actually going to erase. The next morning I get up and there were all these comments, long comments and short comments and a discussion in which I was not even part since I crashed just after I posted.
Oh, I should have written this. Oh I should have omitted this. Oh, I should have revised this. Oh, I should have checked on how to spell Kelvin. And then there were three really kind comments and I was hooked. I could experiment and take chances. What did I have to lose. My first two or three posts were ignored completely, so I figured what the hell. You cannot really embarrass yourself.
And there are good hard arguments. There is not just Cumbaya. (I never did get how to spell this.)
At any rate this writer at Salon was instructing people how to get noticed. Do not just put up a Baby picture and think your are going to get 15 thumbs up. But you do not need to write the Declaration of Independence either. And get a cabal together. At Salon you can send messages within the system so you do not need to hand out your email address. At Salon you have 'friends' instead of followers and followings. She says just make somebody your friend. Then send all your friends notice that you are going to post so that you get immediate comments and get to stay on the boards.
At Café we do not have to think like that. At least not yet. We get time. LisaB does a poem and I do not get it. Then there are four or five early comments (Because TheraP and LisaB will get fifty comments and 35 recs. They are experienced and talented at this) After I read the first few comments, I start 'getting' what is being communicated. The same goes for Orlando.
To be able to write out a thought, or a rant like me and JoeB and Erica and scores of others and get a reaction is just great. It then becomes more than an exercise to see who won the day than taking a look at how to better gestate an idea and put it into words that can be comprehended.
As of yet, we do not have to conspire to be heard. And there is an underground here also. Jason (Teddy R) is still running an entire discussion that is two weeks old. Big, hard arguments. Proofs and disproofs as well as spoofs. For all intents and purposes Jason has his own separate blog.
One last thought. The use of cites is getting better and better. Someone writes three paragraphs and you can click and read scores of pages on the subject or see something hilarious on Utube. It is like the writer has his or her own variety show or news slot.
All of this experimentation. All of these techniques. Everybody daring to try something new or bring back something old. Venting anger. Creating laughter. I cannot tell you how much this exercise has loosened up my mind. If you think I am crazy now, you should have seen me a year ago.
I can't list everybody I read. This is at the top of my head. Which is a small space and I do not wish to write 20 pages right now.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. And Debbiedoesnothing, this goes for you. A lot of you do not even use your real name. How can you lose? I predict that numbers will soar and we will end up with twenty pages of titles to new posts and people will become lost and be forced to do what they are doing in Open Salon.
I can see I am rambling.
THE END
The problem at Salon is that once you post, you have about fifteen minutes to half an hour and you are not on the front page anymore. That is unless you get four or five comments and 'thumbs up' in that period.
Now I just got into this wonderful addiction. Due to some neurological problems, I got to the point where I could not put three sentences together for many years. There was too much noise. Noise is chaos.
At TPM, there is such a small group that your post can sit up on the front page, so to speak, for hours. There are other reasons for being at TPM. Yesterday somebody was trying to use Café to sell insurance. I wrote to TPM at their comment site and complained. I was not the only one. I took off for three or four hours and came back and the spam was gone.
TPM also brings all these experts in at its home and Café and we get to post comments to Secretary Reich or Nobel Laureate Krugman or top economists, etc. Muckraker is fun. Election Central is good. And things written here are cited on cable news. This is the best of all possible worlds.
I do not see how Café can sustain this world because more people will join once they see they can post and get comments. Well researched posts like those from SleepinJeezus or TheraP. Poets like TheraP or LisaB or Orlando.. Well reasoned comments and posts by Stillidealist. And yet someone sees something funny in a news post and cites it and it creates a whole discussion.
Lux, Pseudo, Miguel and Stilli are constantly commenting and posting and kidding and arguing and all the good things you get to do here. And Bwakfat-what the hell is a bwakfat? And Astral can do a good rant and then get into some technical stuff that loses me completely and 20 people chime in to what he is talking about.
And when you just think you are doing well the Old Grouch catches up to you.
You can take time to drink from these wells and ponder how they strike you. I am here because I posted something I thought silly at the last minute and was actually going to erase. The next morning I get up and there were all these comments, long comments and short comments and a discussion in which I was not even part since I crashed just after I posted.
Oh, I should have written this. Oh I should have omitted this. Oh, I should have revised this. Oh, I should have checked on how to spell Kelvin. And then there were three really kind comments and I was hooked. I could experiment and take chances. What did I have to lose. My first two or three posts were ignored completely, so I figured what the hell. You cannot really embarrass yourself.
And there are good hard arguments. There is not just Cumbaya. (I never did get how to spell this.)
At any rate this writer at Salon was instructing people how to get noticed. Do not just put up a Baby picture and think your are going to get 15 thumbs up. But you do not need to write the Declaration of Independence either. And get a cabal together. At Salon you can send messages within the system so you do not need to hand out your email address. At Salon you have 'friends' instead of followers and followings. She says just make somebody your friend. Then send all your friends notice that you are going to post so that you get immediate comments and get to stay on the boards.
At Café we do not have to think like that. At least not yet. We get time. LisaB does a poem and I do not get it. Then there are four or five early comments (Because TheraP and LisaB will get fifty comments and 35 recs. They are experienced and talented at this) After I read the first few comments, I start 'getting' what is being communicated. The same goes for Orlando.
To be able to write out a thought, or a rant like me and JoeB and Erica and scores of others and get a reaction is just great. It then becomes more than an exercise to see who won the day than taking a look at how to better gestate an idea and put it into words that can be comprehended.
As of yet, we do not have to conspire to be heard. And there is an underground here also. Jason (Teddy R) is still running an entire discussion that is two weeks old. Big, hard arguments. Proofs and disproofs as well as spoofs. For all intents and purposes Jason has his own separate blog.
One last thought. The use of cites is getting better and better. Someone writes three paragraphs and you can click and read scores of pages on the subject or see something hilarious on Utube. It is like the writer has his or her own variety show or news slot.
All of this experimentation. All of these techniques. Everybody daring to try something new or bring back something old. Venting anger. Creating laughter. I cannot tell you how much this exercise has loosened up my mind. If you think I am crazy now, you should have seen me a year ago.
I can't list everybody I read. This is at the top of my head. Which is a small space and I do not wish to write 20 pages right now.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. And Debbiedoesnothing, this goes for you. A lot of you do not even use your real name. How can you lose? I predict that numbers will soar and we will end up with twenty pages of titles to new posts and people will become lost and be forced to do what they are doing in Open Salon.
I can see I am rambling.
THE END
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A cousin of an in-law (the closest thing I have to a liberal family member) told me about TPM, and I stumbled into the cafe a few weeks ago. By reading the comments I could tell that this was a close community with warm discussions and lively debates. There is so much familiarity here that it is a little intimidating to newcomers. So I mostly lurk. So many great minds! I can come here to learn, think, remember, and giggle. So keep grouching and rambling. And sharing and questioning.
December 17, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are great minds and then mediocre minds like myself. It is just fun having the opportunity to be read and to comment on what others have written and to do a little reading and check up on some 'facts' listed in some newspaper that is pure crap.
Thank you, kindly.
December 17, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Lord...You newbies (and I can say that because I've been here since July and that that makes me a veteran! hee, hee, hee...) should have been here during the primaries, elections and changeover to the new system! It was a complete and total disaster.
The system was so overloaded your posts and comments didn't go up for what seemed like hours, and by the time someone responded, you forgot what the discussion was about! Posts flew onto the back page in a matter of minutes there were so many, and then the archives crashed and they were lost, completely gone from view...no way to retrieve. If you look into my archives you'll find a "Community Post" that Raider99 designed and I took over for him that made it so we could at least hold onto some of the posts that flew by. Also, emotions were running so high that there were some UGLY battles going on. We lost many brilliant posters during that time.
But, back then "Barefoot" hosted a little get together every night where some of us dropped in for a glass of wine and some brought treats...It was a place for talking about everything but politics. Many of us really bonded there.
This lull in activity has been nice, but it probably isn't forever. As issues develop and people tune back in, the longevity of posts staying up will change, but at least w/ the new following feature it should be easier to follow good discussions, and the archives are also very useful.
Anyway, we're glad you like us, and it's fun getting to know you. You are definitely a positive addition to our family. Mom will be glad to see we're playing nice!
December 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
But I'm still pissed you called Oprah fatso, so watch it!
December 17, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, dear...
December 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Largess. I meant Oprah has largess. I was misquoted and taken out of context. Oprah has largess, she has one of the largess behinds I have ever seen.
December 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I find her courageous, in that she lives out on the world stage a problem many of us have, but get to deal w/ more privately. It takes a lot of guts to talk openly about something so mortifying...wear the moccasins, Arthur. And repent.
:-)
December 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I am! :)
December 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, dear.....
December 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was for up above...
December 17, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wonderful tribute here, dickday!
A blog is a constantly changing entity. It is like an organism in a way. It grows. It shrinks. It morphs. People split off and form their own communities. Invaders come. Are dealt with somehow. Software changes.... it leads to chaos. News events lead to huge influxes of site visitors and everything bogs down like last night and today a bit. (Last night a bit like molasses.)
Right now I think we have a pretty good core group (both old and really old and newer) And there seems to be an openness, which invites new people and ideas, while being able to circle the wagons and exert some "authority" when that's needed. It was really, really hard last Feb and March... that drove many of us nuts and away from here... leaving the field to renew itself in the summer, before the general election sent us all back to carry the banners again! (especially once the software finally got fixed that had left us numb and licking our wounds back in the winter).
TPM is a wonderful place. Kudos to all who work so hard to make it so!
December 17, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say I'm surprised TPM doesn't get the huge traffic of blogs that other places like Open Salon and Daily Kos have. I typically post in both Kos and here, and thought others would do the same. Of course, Kos also has much more restrictive rules on blog posting.
December 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like writing here too. It took a long time to get up the courage to blog rather than just comment, but the experience of having one's thinking noted and critiqued is very useful.
December 17, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And fun...and addicting...
December 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was my 1st foray into posting at TPM...be sure to read the comments and see how the times have changed!
December 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the memories, still. See you later tonight?
December 17, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't miss it!
December 17, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stilli: I just read your first blog. It was great and doesn't it feel good to bet on the right horse, for the right reasons and win!!!
But your first and look at the reaction you got. There are reporters, journalists and pundits that do not get a response like that. Good for you.
December 17, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Arthur...it was traumatic at the time, but Blow really did make me a better poster and I'm grateful for the experience. Sorta like my senior English teacher in high school. She rode me hard, but I can write because of her!
Since then, newbies seem to be generally accepted better. I don't recall having seen anyone get hit quite so hard since then, but again, it was way worth it.
Sounds like everyone is going to Barefoot's (Melissa's) tonight...Join us? I want them to meet you!
December 17, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
i dont know what that means. How do you get to barefoot? I am lost.
December 18, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/barefoot/2008/12/should-i-throw-it-in-the-oven.php
Here you go, dickie. Join us.
December 18, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, DD. I have just started here but I really like it. I agree, it's such a good community that I also worry it could get so popular that it becomes overcrowded. People here have a great combination of being emotionally supportive and intellectually critical, that makes for an excellent community. It's hard to keep up with it, because I'm working and have a family, but it's really worth doing.
December 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Tom. We have a lot of arguments on the left. That is because we do not march in time like the right.
December 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup! For us, it's from the bottom up. Not top down!
December 17, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm very glad you're here, Dickday. I enjoy reading your posts. But, honey, my name is Lis, not Lisa. It's okay, don't feel bad, no one gets it right. Lis, rhymes with is, just so you know.
Thanks for a great post.
December 17, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
LisB-I told you I had a neurological problem. God, why did I read the 'a'? Lis like Liz. Like Liz Taylor. God I am sorry. It is one thing to mishear. But Misread 50 times?
Well, You already know I love reading your stuff.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
December 17, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
No worries at all, luv.
December 17, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be easier to explain what it isn't.
December 17, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cannot hear because of hardware issues. But it looked for a time that instead of two chickens in every pot there were two chickens on pot--no wait--three chickens on pot.
December 17, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
but can you dance?
December 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, oh fowl one, but I always pictured you more as this kinda chicken
December 17, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink