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Torture-Lite: Worse than outright torture?


Back in those heady days when John Yoo enjoyed sovereign immunity, the discussion of how far interrogators could go took two avenues: define torture out of existence, as practices so unbelievably painful that anything a marginally sane agent might be willing to do would be legal, and otherwise to find ways to come right up to the very edge of the definition while leaving some uncertainty on which agents and their commanders could wiggle out of legal liability. The first avenue gave us waterboarding, the second prolonged sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures, IV drips to induce involuntary urination and 'short shackling.'

It has been argued again and again that these 'harsh interrogation' methods aren't torture, and aren't something that reasonable people not blinded by emotion might object to. To this end, I recall Donald Rumsfeld saying that forcing detainees to remain in uncomfortable positions for long periods could not be so bad; why, Rummy himself stood all through his working day.

This passage from a letter by the indefatigable Clive Stafford Smith, in the most recent Harper's Magazine, really struck me:

 

There are, sadly, so many follies in this "war on terror." What, for example, should we do about the aural torture that my clients have suffered, earsplitting Eminem and Springsteen tunes blasting at full volume twenty-four hours a day? President Bush has tried to play down the severity of these methods, but a client of mine who had a razor blade taken to his penis during CIA-sponsored detention in Morocco said that the psychological torture he had experienced was worse than the physical, because while enduring mental torture, he had felt his sanity slipping away.

At first glance, it is maybe hard to imagine how disruptive tactics like loud music could be deemed worse than physical mutilation. But as I thought about it, I think this makes perfect sense. What we do when we keep detainees awake for days (as Japanese police interrogators routinely do), or keep them in solitary confinement for years, is aimed at undermining their psychological integrity. Never being able to hear yourself think for the distraction, or the cold, or the fact that your hands are chained between your feet, for hours at a time over days and months and years, or never having a respite from the solitude of your thoughts, is qualitatively much different from being subjected to pain at the hands of another. Physical torture might at least give you something to focus on to distract yourself from the pain, in raw hatred for the person doing you harm. Endless Eminem, keeping you distracted but unable to focus on anything external, I can see how that would be inescapably maddening.

To illustrate the contrast, Jose Padilla manifested signs of severe psychopathology at trial, after years of solitary confinement. Maher Arar, who was beaten in a Syrian prison for a year before getting released back to his family in Canada, appears by contrast to be functional, if scarred.

Perhaps the reason we ostensibly don't torture is that mere torture doesn't go far enough.


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Canada has apparently put the United States on a torture watch list for the use of techniques including "forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation" at Guantanamo Bay.

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If one emphasizes coercion, the details don't matter. It is forced testimony.

If it is characteruzed as interrogation of a battle capture, one can at least be certain the person is not a mistake. But even then, coercive interrogation is not reliable. 

And if there is no particular hurry, and especially if the issue is more crime than battle, all coercion is inhumane. The more effective, the more damaging to soul and psyche. And as HCB usually points out, it damages the interrogators as well.

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I may have mentioned this before, I am specifically aware of the techniques of some of the best interrogators in Vietnam (See Sedgwick Tourison's Conversations with Victor Charlie: An Interrogator's Story, and I've been told the methods used by friends familiar with Iraqi operations.


One engineer sergeant friend, who was assigned to house searches in an area, doesn't smoke, but always carried cigarettes to offer to Iraqis. He doesn't especially like them, but is always formally courteous. If a door were broken during a search, he would arrange for it to be fixed quite promptly. A few weeks later, he found that residents were whispering IED positions to them.


The interrogator he mentioned, he said, keeps several changes of uniform, with decorations, so he is always a picture of military perfection. He begins, however, with having tea ceremonially served, and invites the prisoner to pick the cup from which he will drink. He does not leap into the questioning, but goes through the culturally appropriate inquiries about health, family, etc. (If the prisoner has questions about family, the interrogator tries hard to get an answer)


When he needs to open up a difficult prisoner, one really disorienting thing that he does is to offer bread and salt, which means, symbolically, that the prisoner is his guest, and he takes responsibility for his safety for a day.

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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

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Thank you, Devon! "Cruel and unusual punishment." That definitely describes what they're doing. We outlawed that long ago. And these folks are getting "punished" without any judicial process proclaiming them guilty.

Yes, it's an effort to "break" people psychologically. And in my book that's a crime. If anyone were doing that in my neighborhood, blasting music 24 hours a day as loud as possible... well, you can be sure the police would put a stop to it. And no neighbors would sanction it.

We have to go back to the problem of "cruel and unusual" punishment.

Torture is something applied to people who have no recourse to legal assistance.  And yet are being "punished."  Punished in ways we would never agree are ok.

When the Yoo memo defined "torture," it used a law designed to tell ER docs when a person was deemed in need of immediate care and could not be sent away from the ER.

If you take a person to the ER who is urinating on themselves, that would be considered an emergency! If they are in the fetal position, they would be deemed in need of immediate help.

Just keep these few things in mind. How would it appear if it happened in your own neighborhood? And what conditions would provoke people to believe a person was in need of medical help?

Isn't it sickening that we need to be debating this - in a supposedly civilized nation?

I am simply sick at heart over so many injustices and abuses that have occurred over the past 7 years!

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"There's just no doubt in my mind - under any set of rules, waterboarding is torture." -- Tom Ridge

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Here is a BBC article on sensory deprivation; a key quote on how the mind, deprived of stimuli, begins to feed upon itself:

Mickey, a postman is seeing mosquitoes and fighter planes buzzing around his head and it's frightening him.

Claire a psychology student doesn't mind the little cars, snakes and zebras. But she gets scared when she suddenly feels somebody is in the room.

"In the dark room there is nothing to focus on," says Prof Robbins as he monitors their behaviour. "In the absence of information the human brain carries on working and processing information even if there is no information to process and after a while it starts to create that information itself."

 

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The singular of data not being anecdote, I was a test subject for some sensory deprivation experiments, but I had the advantage of some experience in meditation and visualization. IIRC, after a couple of hours of meditation, I went into a very restful sleep.


In more difficult circumstances, mental discipline, especially if you know what is being done, helps. I'm reminded of Albert Speer tuning out Spandau Prison by visualizing a walking tour of thousands of miles, meditating on everything along the way, concentrating on remembering or creating detail.

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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

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To this end, in the back of my mind, I relegate all the things I'd like to do, but really never will, to a list of things to be accomplished if I ever go to prison.

Since I had kids, at the top of that list is sleep.

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That can be true even with four-legged kids. I usually sleep on my side, and have a very affectionate 16 pound cat who likes best to lie on my ribs. This leads to backache, or, if I am lying on my back, a sense of suffocation. Negotiations are often needed to convince Mr. Clark that it would be better for both of us if we shared pillows.


Some prisons, I am told, allow and even encourage some cats with freedom of the cellblock. Harming, or even upsetting, one of those cats is an area where gangs, normally in mortal conflict, will join together to make it absolutely clear that EVERYONE protects the cats.

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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

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I see that Jose Padilla was sentenced to 17 years, four months, a "defeat" for the government, in the wording of a lawyer for another defendant, who received 15-plus years.

The judge gave Padilla credit for his three and one-half years in a naval brig, often times in terrible circumstances. She perhaps should have doubled that credit, but she did note the "harsh" conditions.

I won't say that Padilla did little or nothing. I don't really know. Trying hard, but unsuccessfully, can be a crime, too, if the intent is bad enough. But the handling of the case is appalling, and his treatment obviously was against logic and a proper process, as became clear when the government had to back off from its initial "dirty bomb" claims.

On the matter of sensory deprivation and what can occur in such cases: In his book "Musicophila," Oliver Sacks writes of, among other matters, musical hallucinations; sometimes these occur in people whose hearing is going or gone; the brain then fills the auditory gap with music, sometimes elaborately arranged with full orchestration. Not surprisingly, these subjects often have a strong musical background and sometimes have played music for years. (My musical talent is so lacking that should I lose my hearing, I will be lucky to hear "Chopsticks.")

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My musical talent is so lacking that should I lose my hearing, I will be lucky to hear "Chopsticks."

That is a vision of hell!

I guess on Padilla, the isolation he received in the brig is probably about the same as what goes on in American Supermax prisons, where cells are isolated from one another, food is delivered through a slot, and prisoners can go on indefinitely without seeing another human being.  It seems to have had a pretty serious toll on his psychological integrity in the last three years, but it's disturbingly routine.

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Mabe it's just too painful too stay on topic when torture is the topic, but I offer a viola-player's joke on the afterlife:

He finds himself in a white hallway, hears beautiful music from behind a door, opens it to discover an orchestra playing "Blue Danube", notices an empty seat in the violas, next to a beautiful young woman. A viola rests on the chair. He picks it up and joins in, enjoying the lush harmony and friendly rhythm. (Umm-chuk-chuk, umm-chuk-chuk.)

He keeps stealing glances at his stand partner, and after a bit leans over to ask, "When do we go to the coda?" She slowly shakes her head.

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