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The Role Of Muslim Faith In American Life


Clearly in light of the Fort Hood shootings we must have a national conversation about the role of the Muslim faith in American life, especially with regards to our national security and military service.

We must do this because, after each act of terrorism committed against a reproductive health clinic we have had deep and meaningful conversations about the role of the Christian faith in American life, especially with regards to our national security.

Oh wait, we never ever talk about the dangers of Christian extremism. But Muslims sure are scary!

The shooter might well have yelled Allahu Akbar.  So now we have to take the Muslim angle seriously say the very people who tell us not to judge Christians by the acts crazy people commit in the name of Jesus.

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Just so, Destor. It's pathetic, isn't it?

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Well done!

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Amen and amen (can I say that?) Thank you so much Destor.

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Home run, Destor.

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We must judge pornography as Christian extremism because they shout "oh God!"'

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Yeah, and I hear a lot of these nuts are heavy into the wrestling scene.

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Whoooooo!

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Hmmm. I had heard it was the tap dancing scene.

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Bingo! You have a way of cutting to the chase...

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Sorry -- I have been yelling about the Catholic RTL extremists and how their demonizing of abortion providers would lead to murder for a long time, I support the Southern Poverty Law Center which has been tracking racists, NeoNazi and Christianist would be terror groups for a long time and I have been objecting to the treatment of gays prior to Matthew Sheppard -- if an extremist Muslim group is demonizing their opponents and hence providing a trigger for the weak among them don't expect me to be quiet.

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Do you consider all christian groups extremist, or just all muslim groups?

Just asking, as it appears you allow exceptions for 'christians.' Thanks for making Destor's point a bit clearer.

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Huh? You appear to have mis-read my post. I named three extremist Christian groups -- the extreme Catholic Right to Lifers who demonize abortion, the fundies who do the same, and the groups I called 'Christianist' because they claim they are Christian but use their faith to justify hatred in a way despised by most Christians. That I reserve the right to object to any Muslim groups which are similarly extreme in no way indicates that I believe that all Muslim groups are extreme any more than my objections to some Christian groups indicates that I believe all Christian groups are extreme.

I do object to religions generally because they entail a fundamental dishonesty in requiring people to believe in make believe -- they are a form of Santa Claus for grown ups. As far as basic morality goes, for most humans, that's instinctive.

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Yes, well perhaps you should say 'muslimist', then.

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How dare you point out the dichotomy here? How can we sustain hate against the enemy if you insist on such equivalence? I want my country back!

(End of Snark)

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First of all I find it hard to believe that the thought of Hasan's attack being a terrorist attack didn't cross the minds of most people, however fleetingly, when they heard his Arabic name. Reports that 2 other people had been detained only reinforced the possibility in my mind. But I was certainly willing to consider that there were umpteen different reasons for it other than terrorism.

I have to agree with AJM, too. I believe we all, or most of us, have condemned so-called Christianist extremism from the klan and militiamen to abortionists. What's more, it appears that Hasan's reluctance to engage in Iraq or Afghanistan may very well have been influenced by the fact that he is a Muslim.

Whether you call this terrorism when it is a lone-wolf attack is debatable, but the issue of Muslims in the U.S. Military fighting other Muslims is an issue that should be addressed. Perhaps Muslims who find it troubling to be fighting brother Muslims should be granted a conscientious objector status, for instance. Or not. But to ignore the issue is to invite further Ft. Hoods.

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Since it's a volunteer army, if you object don't join. Harder to evaluate is the emotional stability of all who do join.

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Hasan may have had pure motives when he enlisted, but the stress of watching the horror being committed against others like him may have been too much for him. He was personally harassed by his fellow soldiers and at the same time watched them kill others like him. I can understand how he would identify with his fellow Arabs and brother Muslims. He wanted out, but there was no avenue for him to exit.

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I don't intend this to condone in any way what he did. Just to reiterate that the issue should be aired.

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Bluebell, I think that with a little reflection you might reconsider your first sentence in your comment.
I am hardly a cheerleader for the armed forces or how they are used. Further, I often make disparaging remarks about what some of the soldiers become, but my criticism isn't that that was what the soldier always was but that that is what the situation does to some people, what it makes of them.

So, we know that a nineteen year old that joins the military to "be all that he can be" is not actually yet a fully developed person. He will change over time with maturity and experience. We can hope that this change will be for the better. We can hope that if a soldier who joined up for completely honorable reasons comes to see that a war started by his own country, one that was not defensive in nature but was in fact politics by other means, one that he sees as wrong in its reasons and wrong in its execution to an extent that his conscience tells him he cannot participate, that he will then have the strength to follow his conscience and not participate.

I don't mean to sound nobler than thou or in any way personally courageous. My own life reminds me of some lyrics in Dylan's song, "Brownsville Girl", co-written by Sam Sheppard, where at one point the narrator in the song who is talking to his lost true love or maybe to his current girlfriend or maybe to God, hell, I don't know, says, "You always say that people don't do what they believe in, they just do what is most convenient and then they repent. And I always say, Hang on baby and let's hope the roof stays on".

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I'm no cheerleader for the military but it is also true that many mental illnesses fully express themselves after someone is 19. It may not be a case of what the military or the war did to him but of how his mental illness became expressed in his environment. If he wasn't a Muslim, we'd be a lot more likely to be seeing him as the socially isolated loner who has done this kind of thing before.

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FDRDog, no doubt that people around HERE are quite willing to condemn senseless violence no matter who the perpetrator. But our media largely treats Muslim acts of violence as acts of war while dismissing Christian acts of violence as acts of criminality or insanity. That's a problem.

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I agree, Des. And after I sent my comment, I realized I had probably misinterpreted your blog.

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I think people on the Christian networks, squint harder.

Oh, I know, some scoff at squinting.

But Pat Robertson does it so well. Probably because he was born with that resemblance to Alfred E. Newman, that great American Philosopher.

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Hasan , poor soul, was crazy. No conclusions of any sort can drawn from his act.

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