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Is it ever possible? Neural Linguistic Programming revealed
I mean, it's normal, I know it's been going on for some time -Democrats go on TV. They're allowed there. They're almost welcome there. And they've been doing this for almost 150 years now, or whenever they invented TV. So is it possible that these little political maggots some day one day get together and actually pretend to hone a coherent messagefor their 15 seconds of fame? I mean, not to be crude, but I prepare more for my morning shit than these people do, and I'm not paid in the 6-7 figure bracket for that morning shit.
If you need to know what I'm talking about (the lame Democrat TV appearance side of things, don't worry, though I find it more disgusting than the scatalogical side of the argument), you can just click here:http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/for-fox-sake-by-digby-in-battle-of-fox.html It takes a bit to get there, but the lead-up is quite good as well -the arguments that everyone should memorize for dealing with the "Fox News is really a news outlet, honest Injun" meme. And then that woman, supposedly a Democrat, likely dug up from the remains of a failed alien close encounter, appears.For 8 seconds her cover is golden - she's a member of an intelligent race intent on governing the planet in an intelligent fashion. And then they mess with her programming, by asking a followup question - unheard of in modern media practice, at least not when it comes to politicians, but she's just an industry hack, so immediately her transistors melt and she breaks into"what the hey" and starts to emulate the ways of other Democratic droids - "did I say that? Oh no, I didn't mean to be partisan, let me take off this Big D t-shirt, no, I meant, like what, you see, because, no, we're not the same, huh? Could you repeat the question? Oh,got it, I don't make categorical statements, because I have not been progra.... I don't want to be unfair and stereotypical...."
Your spokespeople are automatons and zombies. Your opponents are also automatons and zombies, but at least they have competent programmers. Your spokespeople are programmed for FAIL. Your opponents are programmed for CHUTZPAH and IRRATIONAL SELF-CONFIDENCE. Which do you think will win the battle of the Titans? Someone hand me that Lousville Slugger over there. I've got some kneecaps and ankles to break. Jesus on a pogostick, it's hard to get worse than this. Unless Jon Stewart gets cancelled. If I weren't a replicant I might get emotionally upset. As it is I'll take it out in a little ultra-violence. Better than getting upset. You earthlings could learn a thing or two, about technology, about basic android response. It's clobbering time.
If you need to know what I'm talking about (the lame Democrat TV appearance side of things, don't worry, though I find it more disgusting than the scatalogical side of the argument), you can just click here:http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/for-fox-sake-by-digby-in-battle-of-fox.html It takes a bit to get there, but the lead-up is quite good as well -the arguments that everyone should memorize for dealing with the "Fox News is really a news outlet, honest Injun" meme. And then that woman, supposedly a Democrat, likely dug up from the remains of a failed alien close encounter, appears.For 8 seconds her cover is golden - she's a member of an intelligent race intent on governing the planet in an intelligent fashion. And then they mess with her programming, by asking a followup question - unheard of in modern media practice, at least not when it comes to politicians, but she's just an industry hack, so immediately her transistors melt and she breaks into"what the hey" and starts to emulate the ways of other Democratic droids - "did I say that? Oh no, I didn't mean to be partisan, let me take off this Big D t-shirt, no, I meant, like what, you see, because, no, we're not the same, huh? Could you repeat the question? Oh,got it, I don't make categorical statements, because I have not been progra.... I don't want to be unfair and stereotypical...."
Your spokespeople are automatons and zombies. Your opponents are also automatons and zombies, but at least they have competent programmers. Your spokespeople are programmed for FAIL. Your opponents are programmed for CHUTZPAH and IRRATIONAL SELF-CONFIDENCE. Which do you think will win the battle of the Titans? Someone hand me that Lousville Slugger over there. I've got some kneecaps and ankles to break. Jesus on a pogostick, it's hard to get worse than this. Unless Jon Stewart gets cancelled. If I weren't a replicant I might get emotionally upset. As it is I'll take it out in a little ultra-violence. Better than getting upset. You earthlings could learn a thing or two, about technology, about basic android response. It's clobbering time.
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Did someone say ultraviolence?
Yes, please.
October 31, 2009 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What sort of "preparations" are you talking about?
Prayer?
Drugs?
Hookers?
November 1, 2009 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're scared to touch on the mechanics of it, aren't you? Faith-based defecation? Are those stock hookers or specialty niche purveyors? But yes, you've got 3 steps out of a 10-step program. Acknowledging there is a greater power, we climb further up the mountain.
November 1, 2009 4:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
And to wind this back, the original point implied that they prepare far less for their important 6-7 figures gig than I prepare for a morning evacuation, which is in reality nil, all musings of spiritual, sexual and chemical devotions, exaltations and panegyrics aside.
November 1, 2009 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
ablutions, ablutions - I hate it when I can't find a word.
November 1, 2009 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
You may want to try the ablution after the poopoo, unless you're "abluting" with corn oil or K-Y jelly.
November 1, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
And winding back again, about the supposed "lack of preparation" by Valerie Jarrett and others...
The only "preparations" which would make them any more adroit would be...
1. A rigid set of talking-points, like Republicans, or...
2. Some respect for the truth, which is marvelously free of self-contradiction, and there's never any end of it. Truth-tellers can chatter non-stop month after month after month, and aside from a few mistakes with minor details, they never fuck up.
But unless Obama hires Colbert or Jon Stewart, his team is already bullshitting about as well as anyone without a natural gift for it can bullshit, and further training is probably pointless.
November 1, 2009 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I'll even make a suggestion about what Valerie Jarrett should have said to Campbell Brown in that infamous interview.
"So do you think FOX News is biased?"
"Why are you even asking, Campbell? Do you have any doubt yourself that Fox News is nothing but right-wing propaganda mixed up with sensationalistic spot-news?
And that's Fox News in a nutshell, with a hundred nuts in it!"
November 1, 2009 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's several light years ahead in terms of preparedness. It may simply be opening the eyes and letting a couple of brain cycles of activity take place - you make it look so easy, but in practice Democrats make it look so hard. Thus the cue cards: "Republicans are soul-sucking energy vampires who'd sell their own kids for the right to drill off-shore or kill Bambi".
November 1, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, Jarrett could have turned the question back on Campbell Brown and asked if Brown thinks CNN is biased.
November 2, 2009 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desi, your stream of consciousness is superb. hahaha
You got me laughing. Yet what you discuss fits right into Sleepin's diatribe.
Moyers, who is my hero in MSM let one slide this week. The bastard 'historian' says that Buckley never believed and never wrote that the Negroid Race was somehow lower in mental faculties but that he believed in State's rights.
No, Buckley wrote that the Negroid Race contained the duller crayons in the box. He changed his mind later on. Moyers does not usually miss these things and I think he felt that the greater good was to let the asshat continue a diatribe against the current repub party.
But for the most part, liberal pundits are looking for a check...they let Joe Scarborough get away with so many lies while Mika underlines how complicated things are and how she is really independent in between vodka shots--although lately she has switched to some better pharmaceuticals.
O'Donnell is pretty good. Pretty sharp crayon. So there are good solid liberal pundits ready to do battle. I just wish there were more of them.
November 1, 2009 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, debating Buckley is up there with remembering what my grandfather had for breakfast or what color socks he wore. But the pertinent topics of the week/year/decade should kinda be on the tips of the tongue for our well-paid talking heads. The day Michael Jackson dies or Roman Polanski gets arrested or the Medicare+5 option gets thrashed, our spokespeople might want to take 2.75 minutes to formulate some quick soundbites on the obvious questions surrounding these events. If you're going on a program to discuss Fox News and media, be warned - there might be a few questions about Fox News and media. Hard to believe, but even on TV they occasionally ask relevant questions, though certainly not looking for relevant answers.
November 1, 2009 4:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Daily Howler regularly skewers our new darling, Rachel Maddow, for how bad she gets the facts on her twister show. It's curious that the guy who plays it for laughs, Jon Stewart, is so much more on target than our A-team straight men. Of course Rachel Maddow is biased, but the bigger point is "biased but accurate" should be A-Okay. It wasn't that long ago there was a liberal paper and a conservative paper in most metro areas. Somehow we figured out the bias we wanted and went with it. But back then there didn't seem to be such whole scale acceptance of distorting the facts, which seemed to come with trying to be fair to both Snidely Whiplash and Dudley Do-right. I wonder if Goofus and Gallant is still published, and whether they give Goofus equal time these days.
November 1, 2009 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can you explain how neuro-linguistic progamming fits into this?
November 1, 2009 6:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Per Wikipedia: "a system of alternative therapy based on this which seeks to educate people in self-awareness and effective communication, and to change their patterns of mental and emotional behaviour".
We keep talking about political issues, but our real dialog needs to be on patterns of thought, learned behavior (programming), and language. Jon Stewart is not analyzing politics so much as the failed verbal & cognitive landscape of the Democratic lemmingsphere. You would think that sending wave after wave of partisan rodents into the meat processing machine called "network & cable TV" would eventually evolve higher learning and more effective approaches, but instead we have a continual well-stocked diet of SPAM, as these lovable but useless creatures get churned into some processed ground up meat substance hardly resembling their previously fuzzy selves. That is the nature of NLP - failed programming is like a continuous failed do-loop with no exit statement, unless dealt with via a practiced counselor, electroshock therapy or some perverse ritual ceremony as Mr. Ridgepole hints at.
Unfortunately, Jon Stewart is either an ineffective NLP therapist (though useful for revelatory stages of self-awareness), or the Demolemmings in question have yet to tune into his program in sufficient quantity to make a programming difference.
November 1, 2009 7:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is good desidero. I would suggest, specifically, the NLP of Milton Erickson.
When I try to engage in dialogue with neo-cons and evangelicals, they get stuck in the same place. They hold me in contempt for being "a marxist, socialist, communist-----obama." Of course, Rush Limbaugh and the gang have done their NLP well.
Milton Erickson would, I think, suggest the importance of building rapport. If someone has been programmed to hold you in contempt for supporting large government, then speak free-market language. This short-circuits the contempt. Describe the public option in terms of a price system. At that point you access their ignorance and they become subject to your own programming.
They will retreat to your communism, or whatever is their mis-understood word of choice. But you go back to free-market language. Go back to free-market language. Go back to free-market language.
November 1, 2009 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I like the "access unconscious resources of another person to gather information or to lead them into an altered state" - sounds like a "rent a catatonic ally" program, or perhaps good old possession of the Catholic variety.
Typically I find just drinking a beer with people offers a bit of entry, though then on the 3rd one it gets violent. I also tried some deprogramming of the word "conspiracy" recently, and it got heated. I asked people to define "conspiracy" and then asked if 9/11 was a "conspiracy", to which I got a universal "no". I then went back to the definition of "conspiracy", reasked the question again, typically with no progress. Eventually I asked if 19 people working together to hijack airplanes might fit the definition of "conspiracy". All hell broke loose - whether I was a socialist, whether I intentionally tricked them (well, I really wanted to remove "conspiracy" from being a synonym for "government conspiracy"), one guy actually had shortly agreed and then reversed his answer and denied he had ever answered otherwise, and in the end it was concluded that I contained all the evils of the galaxial system combined. Certainly not successful NLP deprogramming, but try it yourselves, great fun.
November 1, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
HAHAHAH!!! Yeah, I've experienced the horrors of de-programming too. Try this one sometime: when they try to demonize you, ask them if the root of a word is important. If so, then remind them that 'demon' comes from the Greek 'daemon' which was either a good or malevolent spirit. Their heads start spinning at that point.
November 1, 2009 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
You can't possibly contain "all the evils of the galaxial system combined". That particular franchise is the intellectual property of the Nintendo/Starbucks brand(s).
November 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sub-franchisee, and yes, I got it in writing.
November 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kudos. I would of sworn if anybody had that franchise it would be that Billy Glad fella. Perhaps you should consider hedging your bet that goodness and light don't make a comeback by selling some derivatives on your franchise.
November 1, 2009 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
If one group chooses to lie about things like Death Panel and MSM reports the lie and questions if Death Panels in fact exist, then the battle being fought is not just against a political opponent, but against a political opponent and the MSM.
In this type of battle, the Democrat will always appear to be the loser. The viewers expect Republicans to be the opposition, but the tag team bashing coming from the MSM, makes the Democrat appear as the villain. If Death Panels don't exist why is the reporter questioning their existence?
Jon Stewart is the anchor of his show and controls the message. A Democrat appearing on Scarborough has to receive the question from Scarborough, and then wait for Pat Buchanan or Mike Barnacle to chime in echoing Scarborough's point. It's a losing situation.
November 1, 2009 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks; my limited associations with NLP have been with either sides of the extreme uses and claims. The White House has no effective surrogates, that's for sure! A couple or three are on this morning's Talking Heads. Not to mention Limbaugh on Fox, and Lieberman on Face the Nation.
November 1, 2009 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean Valerie Jarrett, right? She's the one who flubs the follow-up question about whether MSNBC is biased. She's a senior advisor to Obama and Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Relations and Public Liaison. She has been friends with the Obamas since the early '90s. She's often described as his mentor.
That woman? That supposed Democrat?
That's hilarious, Des.
Yes, she sucks at public relations.
November 1, 2009 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
No no no, she must be a pod people. The real Valerie Jarrett is detained somewhere else - whether safe or in danger, I know not. Do a genetic swab test on the one on MSNBC and you'll see what I mean - THEY HAVE NO DNA!!!
November 1, 2009 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the true question is do more people agree with the WH that Fox is biased, or do more agree with much of MSM trying to say that Fox is a valid news organization?
A recent Pew poll finds that 47% view Fox as Conservative, Neutral by 24% and Liberal by an amazing 11%. MSNBC is considered Conservative by 11%, Liberal by 36% and Neutral by 23%. CNN is considered Conservative by 11%, Liberal by 37%, and Neutral by 33%. Fox is considered to be the most biased network. The study found that the view of Fox as Conservative was shared by viewers of all networks. Fox viewers were more likely to view other news networks as Liberal.
http://people-press.org/report/559/
Even a Fox News executives says that most of it's programming isn't news.
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3782366&ref=mp
Despite the problems with the response to the Fox News question, the public has come to it's own conclusions.
November 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bravo! Encore! :-)
November 1, 2009 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's Jarret on This Week today:
Senior White House Adviser Valerie Jarrett said on ABC's This Week this morning that the GOP civil war in the NY-23 special congressional election shows that the Republican Party's leadership has become "more and more extreme, and more and more marginalized."
Yesterday, moderate GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava suspended her campaign after polls showed her trailing both the Democrat and a Conservative Party candidate that many prominent Republicans had declared their support for.
"It's rather telling when the Republican Party forces out a moderate Republican," Jarrett said. "And it says, I think, a great deal about where the Republican Party leadership is right now."
I think it's becoming more and more extreme, and more and more marginalized.
"And if that's the direction they want to go -- fine," Jarrett said.
Democrats are now trying to convince Scozzafava to back Democrat Bill Owens in the NY-23 race. "We would love to, of course, have her support," Jarrett said.
Pushed by George Stephanopoulos about President Obama's promises to get bipartisan backing for many of his policies, Jarrett tried to shift blame back to the GOP.
"What we've seen from the Republicans is really the desire to have the status quo, and George, that's not acceptable anymore."
Obama, she said, has "reached out. He's listened. He's reached across the aisle."
"Ultimately it's up to the Republicans to decide if they want to be a constructive force and come to the table and work with us in a positive way," she said. "The door is always open."
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/jarrett-gop-leaders-more-and-more-extreme-and-more-and-more-marginalized.php?ref=fpa
Was Jarrett's answer to the MSNBC question flubbed? Yes. Is Jarrett totally worthless? No.
November 1, 2009 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I think it's becoming more and more extreme, and more and more marginalized." Really? Marginalized? That's why Democrats cater to the 60 vote "requirement"? That's why the Medicare+5 public option got canned and single payer was never considered? That's why the moderate Republican dropped out and we'll see a tough fight with a Republican far conserverative instead? We'll see who wins, but Jarrett's wishful framing does us no good. They know how to fight.
November 1, 2009 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
We agree. The problem is not with the public. Only 20% of the public is willing to be labeled Republican. The moderate Republican in NY-23 just endorsed the Democrat instead of the staunch conservative. The GOP is becoming marginalized in the public's eyes. There will still be pockets of GOP victories, but nationally the GOP is in trouble.
Drew Weston has written about the need for Democrats to use concise language. To date, only Alan Grayson has mastered the art. "Don't Get Sick and if You Get Sick Die Quickly" gives a powerful frame to the GOP health plan.
An ABC poll suggests that 51% of the public wants a public option and don't care about bipartisanship (which in current usage means Democrats do what the GOP wants).
Democrats need to use Grayson as their blueprint. Jarrett is correct that the GOP is being marginalized, she is not the real problem.
The problem in Congress is Max Baucus, Ben Nelson, Birch Bayh, Blanche Lincoln, Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, and Joe Liberman.The public has to create enough pressure for these folks to fear losing their seats if they block health care reform.
Blanche Lincoln is the most vulnerable with Landrieu not far behind just based on political situations in their respective states. The financial ties of Bayh and Pryor to health care industries can be used to apply some pressure. Lieberman has his chairmanship to consider.
The public has to take some responsibility. The GOP had the teabaggers applying pressure, the Democratic activists have to demonstrate anger as well.
November 1, 2009 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans are marginalized but the public keeps electing Republicans or Democrats who act like Republicans? It's still not clicking. Joe Lieberman was defeated in the Democratic primary and still came back as an independent to win, with much of the Democratic machinery supporting him. If he blocks health care reform, he'll have $10 million in his war chest come 2012 - God love those Connecticut insurance companies. Mary Landrieu, Evan Bayh and Mark Pryor are 2nd generation politicians - fixtures of their states. They're not going anywhere. Max Baucus got 73% of the vote last fall, not up for re-election for 5 more years. Ben Nelson has a 68% approval rating and isn't up till 2012. Blanche Lincoln? Up for re-election in Arkansas next year, but my guess is she's not in danger.
November 1, 2009 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink