Know Your Cuts of Meat: Letterman and Sluts Gone Wild
Lessee, so an 18-year-old getting pregnant by her boyfriend means she's sleazy and wants to fuck baseball players or total strangers. Perhaps the New York Yankees could pull a train, ain't that a larf, har har har. Oh, and that "slutty stewardess" mother of hers, that's another pile of steaming humor. Because like those Dangerous Housewives, both Sarah and her daughter have vaginas, which must mean that they've left themselves open to talk about their sex lives.
Now, I wonder how Dave resolves this with being an unmarried father - does that mean his girlfriend also has a secret craving for the Yankees, or worse, the Mets?
It would be one thing if Letterman would know when to shut up, but his half-ass apology just burns it. Plenty of people ask for ridicule, but the younger Palin simply made an underage mistake with her boyfriend - why that gives Letterman the right to make tasteless sexist jokes is hard to figure. But when you bomb, don't double down.
Now, I wonder how Dave resolves this with being an unmarried father - does that mean his girlfriend also has a secret craving for the Yankees, or worse, the Mets?
It would be one thing if Letterman would know when to shut up, but his half-ass apology just burns it. Plenty of people ask for ridicule, but the younger Palin simply made an underage mistake with her boyfriend - why that gives Letterman the right to make tasteless sexist jokes is hard to figure. But when you bomb, don't double down.
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It would be helpful to provide context by at least providing a link to a clip or giving some background about what got you so worked up. Yeah, I get that it somehow involves Palins, but how does what Dave said compare to what many others have said?
June 11, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/11/letterman-responds-to-pal_n_214128.html
I don't know what got into Dave, but politician's children should be off the table.
June 11, 2009 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politician's children should be off the table only when they choose to remain private. Once they start going out there pushing a political agenda, they're fair game.
Thus,
Fair game: McCain's daughter, Cheney's daughter, and the Palin daughter out being shilling for abstinence only; I'm sure there are others
Not fair game: Dubya's twin daughters, Obama's daughters, Chelsea Clinton (how did that work out?); I'm sure there are others . . .
June 11, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's fair game for someone to joke that's she's promiscuous? You say "fair game" - but the question then is fair game for what? It's fair game to disagree with their public statements. But I don't think it's fair game to slander them with insults that they are getting knocked up by A-Rod. C'mon.
June 11, 2009 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liz Cheney and Meghan McCain are grown women who have freely chosen to express their views in public. It still does not give anyone the right to dig into their private lives, dismiss them because they're "fat" and all the other typical bullshit.
But Bristol Palin is a kid who's unfortunate to have a bad situation forced out in public because her parent's a politician. Yeah, she has to say something, smile for the cameras, toe the party line. But just because she had consensual sex with a kid her age doesn't make her open to be the punchline of slut jokes no matter what universe you're from. People have sex, it's normal, especially in a relationship. Stop projecting and approving the nasty prurient prudery that should have died decades ago. And it's still the woman who's a slut, a whore, the man is just having fun (unless it's with a hooker where he gets debited a few points).
June 11, 2009 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although McCain and Cheney are the spawn of their parents, I was not referring to them when I used the word, "children." After all, everyone is SOMEONE'S child.
What Palin did to all of her children amounts to child abuse as far as I am concerned, and I think sometimes you just have to be better than even the kids' parents are. That is the case here.
June 11, 2009 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? Child abuse? Jumping the shark?
June 11, 2009 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
These kids were taken out of school, trotted out as props, and especially Trig, who is more susceptible to infections than other babies his age. Yes, I consider exploitation a form of child abuse.
I'm not defending Dave, but the Palin family opened the door for jokes to be made about them; Dave not only went way beyond what was right, but by repeating the "jokes" in his fake apology, he actually got more mileage and laughs at these children's expense.
Who is to blame?
Sarah and Todd Palin
Dave Letterman
Who are the victims?
The Palin children
June 11, 2009 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Trig get an infection because of it? I recall criticism about having a disabled child out and about - oh yes, would be much better to keep the kid home in a box, safe and sanitary. How about let parents deal with their kids without getting too judgmental? American politics requires parading the spouse and kids - Dean lost in part because the Dr. Mrs. wouldn't campaign, seems she had a real job with real duties.
June 11, 2009 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it excusable to put your kids in a car and not belt them in by saying, "Did they fly through the windshield?"
You are ignoring my entire point. Those children were exploited by their sleezy parents and you know it. Did Trig die of an infection? I guess not.
The oldest son went to Iraq instead of going to jail for vandalism.
The next oldest (daughter) got pregnant after learning about abstinence as the only form of birth control
The other daughters got trotted out as props and babysitters for their unconscious brother who should have been at home in his own bed -- time will tell what happens to them.
This dysfunctional family is far more pathetic than Dave Letterman. That said, I would prefer to never hear one word about any of them for the rest of time.
June 11, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a friend whose kid just joined the Marines and will likely end up in a war zone relatively soon. Is my friend happy about this? Well, better than the chances that his kid would actually show up at a job, not get arrested for doing stupid kid shit in the US. Is my friend a deadbeat dad? Far from it. Raising kids is tough.
Again, I've had people criticize what I was doing with my disabled kid, and they had no idea of the background, all the work that went in, what the options were, and so on. They can just stuff it. I moderately appreciate the concern, but as complete strangers, they simply don't count.
So I'd say back off on playing mini-God with the Palins, the Clintons, the Obamas, the whomevers. Family decisions are frequently tough and unpalatable, and to live with other people is one of the hardest things we do.
June 12, 2009 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/11/letterman-responds-to-pal_n_214128.html
I don't know what got into Dave, but politician's children should be off the table.
June 11, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen - Dave pulled an Imus and should have just apologized. But instead he just clarifies that he was speaking about the 18-year old and not the 14-year old. That makes me feel better.
I don't know what happened that he turned into such a bitter guy.
June 11, 2009 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a series of tasteless comments. Slutty stewardess? Really, Dave? You're referring to a public figure as a slutty stewardess?
And the ridiculous attempt to explain that he wasn't advocating raping a 14 year old just added additional ick to the situation. Just say "I'm sorry, I was out of line", end of story.
June 11, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel sorry for airline stewardesses, frankly! Also.
June 11, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, let's see, on your legs for long periods of time smiling continuously handing out snacks and drinks, and then you get to see exotic places including free tickets on your days off. While it's certainly hard work, I can think of a lot worse jobs. Like stuck behind the counter at a Wendy's, being a cop, nursing old people, operating a sewing machine, working the counter at the drivers license office.
June 11, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, I mean I feel sorry for them because of the inference that Palin was like them, and that they are slutty.
June 11, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Palin may be like some of them. Not sure what she's done so bad, just may hold some opinions differing from others. Not like she took us to war, tortured people, syphoned off trillions of dollars, undermined the constitution. I hear she spent too much on clothes, but then it doesn't sound like she kept them. Did she drop an Atomic bomb on someone? Oh no, guess that was Truman.
June 11, 2009 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless there's an emergency situation during which they are charged with the safety of the passengers. Trying to keep a plane load of people calm while issuing directions (the same ones they paid no attention to before the flight) isn't my idea of a walk in the park. I'll bet you every penny in the stimulous package that at moments like those they'd love to be doing the other jobs you mentioned.
June 11, 2009 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on, how many stewards or stewardesses go through an emergency where passengers are endangered? More likely are the airline screwups where the flight crew has to keep angry passengers seated for hours wondering when their plane will take off or why can't they take a walk. But anyway, not the worst of jobs by any means.
June 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Likely more than you or I actually know. By defining their responsibilities as I've quoted below, you demean all flight attendants. If you equate it to females -which "stewardess" obviously does- then your view here is simply an extention of why "slutty stewardess" would draw an understanding laugh by his audience.
"Well, let's see, on your legs for long periods of time smiling continuously handing out snacks and drinks, and then you get to see exotic places including free tickets on your days off."
June 11, 2009 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I said "stewards or stewardesses", perhaps "flight attendants" is better, who cares, you get my point.
I've known both flight attendants and people who worked on runways and such ("I may be dumb, but I can lift heavy objects"). Flying to LA to be on the beach every weekend when not scheduled, taking their lovers or friends on trips elsewhere, they had a good time. Put in the hours and work as well, but really, is this an example of the worst job in America? And many flight attendants enjoy meeting people (hey, that's how my parents met, now I am getting personal). Think they would have had that April in Paris without that special job?
We don't have to turn every job into a standard for the Wobblies, picking grapes in the hot sun.
June 12, 2009 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said "stewards or stewardesses", perhaps "flight attendants" is better, who cares, you get my point.
I've known both flight attendants and people who worked on runways and such ("I may be dumb, but I can lift heavy objects"). Flying to LA to be on the beach every weekend when not scheduled, taking their lovers or friends on trips elsewhere, they had a good time. Put in the hours and work as well, but really, is this an example of the worst job in America? And many flight attendants enjoy meeting people (hey, that's how my parents met, now I am getting personal). Think they would have had that April in Paris without that special job?
We don't have to turn every job into a standard for the Wobblies, picking grapes in the hot sun.
June 12, 2009 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I blew up the other day and used the 'bitch' word. Son of a bitch never bothered me. But bitch and slut and...whatever. There has to be a line drawn here.
We are to pretend that only guys like sex and it is ok for them to pollinate flower to flower.
Maybe this will be one step in the direction of cutting out these references to whore. It sure the hell hurt Imus, yet it continues.
Bitch slap....so many condescending terms used in whatever context always seem to denigrate women.
I despise Palin. But that is not the only issue here.
June 11, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly - you can despise her purely for her politics, her attitudes, not have to lump in visceral sexism that more hurts all women, especially women who try to hold public office.
June 11, 2009 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-signed Desi. It's not even like he was just winging it. How many rounds of people did those jokes go by and no one said, perhaps it's inappropriate? To not have the decency to fully apologize is embarrassing.
June 11, 2009 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Egads! I agree with you Des.
June 11, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said, Occlusions. They said I was mad, but I'm not. They're everywhere. Occlusions. In the eyes, the throat, the teeth. It's the only explanation.
For what we can't see.
The way we don't speak up.
The fact that we can't even bite cleanly.
Will no one rid us of these turbulent Occlusions?
June 11, 2009 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eyeless in Gaza, Toothless in Topeka, Sleepless in Seattle, Lost in Translation
June 11, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
eyaghhhh! Who the fuck are we? Political bon vivants? Child molesters? Oh wait... I remember. We're Americans. Land of the free, home of the brave, fearless in our submission to social stereotyping and whacking the defenseless. Check.
June 11, 2009 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Lessee, so an 18-year-old getting pregnant by her boyfriend means she's sleazy and wants to fuck baseball players or total strangers."
You still don't get it: The butt of the jokes were A-Rod and Spitzer, not Bristol. _They_ were the ones hitting on _her_, not she soliciting sex from them. And there were no "total strangers" involved.
"Because like those Dangerous Housewives, both Sarah and her daughter have vaginas, which must mean that they've left themselves open to talk about their sex lives."
The governor would be on firmer moral ground had she not exploited her children during (and now after) the campaign.
You seem to forget that Bristol was enlisted by her family to appear on talk shows to advocate abstinence. This after she was -- yes, "knocked up" -- and had given birth out of wedlock.
"Now, I wonder how Dave resolves this with being an unmarried father - does that mean his girlfriend also has a secret craving for the Yankees, or worse, the Mets?"
Dave and his girlfriend wed in mid-March. Spin that.
"It would be one thing if Letterman would know when to shut up, but his half-ass apology just burns it. Plenty of people ask for ridicule, but the younger Palin simply made an underage mistake with her boyfriend - why that gives Letterman the right to make tasteless sexist jokes is hard to figure. But when you bomb, don't double down."
And again -- the jokes were aimed at Rodriguez and Spitzer, not Bristol.
Letterman's "half-ass apology" was precisely on-key: he owned up that they were "tasteless" jokes (big deal) but refused to bow to the fiction attributed to him. He was accused of making a "rape" joke directed at a 14-year old. Why should he apologize for something he never said?
June 11, 2009 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lessee, Letterman and girlfriend live together 17 years, have kid, get married 6 years later. How's that for "spin this".
Spinning it that the jokes were only aimed at Rodriguez and Spitzer? Well, she was the knocked up piece of ass on the end of those jokes, perhaps a young high price hooker if you take the Spitzer implications to their obvious conclusion. Why does this 18-year-old non-politician deserve this? Because she got pregnant with her boyfriend? Is it her fault that her mother ran for VP? (like she knew that would happen at the time?) That makes it okay to try to make her a national laughingstock?
The Letterman jokes don't say Bristol, and while it's easy to imagine he meant her, the fact that it was 14-year-old Willow at the game *might*, just *might* prompt him to say, "oops, a confluence of stupidity got to us, normally we wouldn't apologize, but tonight the brain fart is just too big to ignore". Nope. He's going to ride this one out. And yes, a grown man having sex with a 14-year-old is rape, so it's not such a leap for her parents to take it that way. Having A-Rod knock up Bristol in the 7th would either make her a baseball slut or an adult rape victim, nothing to complain about there.
June 11, 2009 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Letterman never claimed to be the one who labels the parts of the country he is talking to at the moment "The REAL AMERICA," thereby excluding the other parts. He never claimed to be on a one-way highway to heaven because of Jesus. He never asked to rid himself of witches. He never advocated for sexual abstinence. He never accused Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" in order to get testosterone flowing in the room he was in. He never casually goofed off in front of a camera while turkeys were being beheaded and bled to death behind him ( also on camera).
Long story short: She asked for it, but he should not have delivered. He is her intellectual superior and he should have left it at that.
June 11, 2009 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"She asked for it" - I assume you mean Sarah Palin. The daughters didn't ask for anything and they should be off limits for awful cracks like what Letterman did. Like Obama said during the election, the kids should be off limits.
June 11, 2009 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bristol as an adult did choose to become the face for "abstinence". Entering the public arena was her choice.
June 12, 2009 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
That doesn't make it right for DL to go after her with jokes about getting knocked up by A-Rod.
June 12, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't make it right or wrong. When one enters the fray one must accept the possible consequences.
June 12, 2009 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And people who contend they're progressives should then figure out what the right moral principles are to back. In this case, leave the poor girl alone and discuss her mother in political terms, not pejorative sexual terms. Okay, she has funny stuff about moose and Russia and turkeys - fair game. Winking? No problem, she winks a lot. Same with McCain's daughter Meghan - critique her ideas, but leave the "fat" comments out. Anyone going to defend me for saying "what's with Sotomayor's fat and slutty look"? I was appalled at the Harriet Miers choice, but not because of her appearance. Part of our sense of humor is what we choose to be humor. If we engage the left brain a bit, we might find entertainment that's a bit more at the adult level.
June 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree whole heartedly. But, everyone doesn't hold the same standard of decency in political discourse.
June 12, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
So fight. What else are you hanging around here for? Do what's right.
June 12, 2009 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I respectfully disagree. By "entering the fray" she opens herself up to people who may want to disagree with her stance on the importance or value of abstinence as a lifestyle.
But that's not what Letterman did. He suggested that she was knocked up and thus messing around with A-Rod. I don't see how being a spokesperson for abstinence makes it OK for Letterman to make a personal dig like that.
June 12, 2009 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying DL was right to say what he said. I'm saying in "the real world" if one enters the public arena, one must expect that others may or may not be civil in their responses.
June 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, in the real world progressives have to fight for real values or they lose the value. So far I see mostly putzes and wannabees.
June 12, 2009 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then you're mighty thin-skinned there, Bill.
June 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The thickness of my skin has nothing to do with it. It's whether the governor's kids are fair game for Letterman to go after with jokes about getting knocked up. Like I said earlier, he should just stick with Madonna, Angelina Jolie, etc.
June 16, 2009 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Lessee, Letterman and girlfriend live together 17 years, have kid, get married 6 years later. How's that for "spin this"."
It means that you're just making this up as you go along. You didn't know that he had married, and, based on your own number of "17 years," you haven't a clue as to how long they'd been together.
As to its relevance to any of this, I have no idea.
"Spinning it that the jokes were only aimed at Rodriguez and Spitzer? Well, she was the knocked up piece of ass on the end of those jokes, perhaps a young high price hooker if you take the Spitzer implications to their obvious conclusion."
Obvious I guess only to you, if you dig long enough to find something outrageous about it. To repeat yet again -- the butt of the jokes were directed at Rodriguez and Spitzer, not Bristol.
And the sooner you finally understand this, the sooner this nonsense will simmer down.
"Why does this 18-year-old non-politician deserve this? Because she got pregnant with her boyfriend? Is it her fault that her mother ran for VP? (like she knew that would happen at the time?) That makes it okay to try to make her a national laughingstock?"
Making Bristol a "national laughingstock" is the doing of those who are engaged in an unbelievable overreaction to a relatively tame joke.
And, again: Bristol made herself a public figure by going on the public airwaves to advance her mom's simplistic and unrealistic belief in abstinence, and for all people to take the reigns of such a belief, having someone who violated that very premise isn't exactly the best role model. Ya think?
"The Letterman jokes don't say Bristol, and while it's easy to imagine he meant her..."
Not only easy to imagine but patently obvious and evident to anyone with with an ounce of context.
"...the fact that it was 14-year-old Willow at the game *might*, just *might* prompt him to say, "oops, a confluence of stupidity got to us, normally we wouldn't apologize, but tonight the brain fart is just too big to ignore". Nope. He's going to ride this one out."
You realize, of course, that comics aren't obligated to ensure that their jokes are historically accurate. You know that, don't you? Jokes, but their very nature, accentuate the inaccurate.
"And yes, a grown man having sex with a 14-year-old is rape, so it's not such a leap for her parents to take it that way."
Except, of course, there was nothing even remotely suggesting "a grown man having sex with a 14-year-old," no matter how many times you attempt to misread it that way.
The parents could have left it alone, and if they had any sense, would have understood the joke. But they smelled an opportunity to enrage their base and anyone else who they knew would have a knee-jerk reaction to anything they deemed insulting to women, regardless of age, and exploit it to the fullest.
"Having A-Rod knock up Bristol in the 7th would either make her a baseball slut or an adult rape victim, nothing to complain about there."
Dave acknowledged that it was "tasteless." But turning this into "baseball slut" or "adult rape victim" betrays an over-indulgence in a self-created victimhood.
June 11, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
[Web editor ate my witty reply]
Yes, I know how to Wiki plus occasionally follow Letterman, and Letterman getting married recently doesn't erase a 23 live-in relationship with a kid at age 3, sorry, weird rather dumb comeback.
The butt of the jokes were a sleazy knocked-up teen, a macho-screwed-Madonna baseball star, a disgraced former governor - which one doesn't belong? The joke wouldn't have been a joke without the irresponsible sleazy now-well-known 18-year-old on the end. "An awkward moment occurred when A-Rod knocked up Chelsea Clinton in the 7th inning". Funny funny.
Comedians have responsibility, depending on the circumstances, and Letterman is a corporate comedian. His hero is Carson? Carson used to regularly skewer one well-known Senator, until he realized the Senator had a huge drinking problem and was trying to get his life in order. Carson dropped him from the routine. It's not that hard. Even corporate comedians can recognize when they're being assholes and getting off the fairway.
June 12, 2009 2:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
That should have been "kid coming in year 17". In any case, I don't care, it's his business.
June 12, 2009 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
So if I tell you the one about Sen. Vitter and Lettterman's Lady hooking up, you'll tell me that the joke was just about Vitter?
She's fair game isn't she? Sex out of wed-lock without even the excuse of teenage passion. And she had a choice about Letterman.
June 12, 2009 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of verbiage about a joke...
Just to clarify the language, 'slutty' modifies 'look' because it's not 'slutty-stewardess look' which was of course not 'stewardess' but 'flight attendant' anyway. L. joked about her affecting a uniformed gloss with sexual implications. That's true enough, whether the joke worked or not.
He definitely did not call S. Palin a slut or even slutty, nor did he say that all female flight attendants are slutty or slutty looking.
June 11, 2009 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? Slutty modifies stewardess, the phrase "slutty stewardess" modifies "look". That of course leaves open the possibility of a non-slutty-stewardess look. The way you parse it, "stewardess" just disappears. In any case, it's all pretty sexist, demeaning language under the guise of being funny. It doesn't fit Letterman well - he's usually better than that, and it's not a good style for it.
June 11, 2009 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're definitely taking humor seriously there! What I want to know is why you are propping up the Palin excuse for airtime.
Slutty modifies 'look'. It's a slutty look affected by some wannabe stewardesses, 'stewardess' doesn't disappear at all.
June 12, 2009 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, "slutty" goes with "stewardess". If it were only modifying "look" then he could say "that slutty look, that stewardess look", which would indeed be saying all stewardesses look slutty.
Come on, if I say "naughty schoolgirl look", it's not just a naughty look that happens to be on a schoolgirl, it's a particular stereotype/image of what a "naughty schoolgirl" would look like. I imagine there are special "slutty stewardess" and "naughty schoolgirl" sections in most porn video stores.
June 12, 2009 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
They both "go with" 'look'. It's clearly the look that L. is talking about. There could be "slutty nurse look", "slutty French Maid look", etc., the particular noun-as-adjective isn't all that relevant to the point even if it indicates a style of sluttiness based on a uniform (as pointed out before)
A stewardess might not affect the look but still be slutty. That would be a slutty stewardess situation, look or no look. In that case you'd be correct, 'slutty' would modify 'stewardess' not (or more so than) 'situation'.
Have we parsed this enough now?
June 12, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you exactly define why "slutty" is modifying "stewardess", not "look" or "situation". The phrase "slutty stewardess" is the modifier for the additional noun. "Here is my slutty stewardess tale". It is a tale about a slutty stewardess. It is a look that reminds of a slutty stewardess.
No hiding behind grammar.
June 13, 2009 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not hiding, it's pointing out to you the meaning and how the words affect the semantics of the phrase.
"A stewardess might not affect the look but still be slutty."
Thus "slutty stewardess" is inept in the context of "look". The emPHASis is on the LOOK Palin affects. It's a slutty look, regardless of whether is a Nurse, French Maid, or Flight Attendant look. And regardless of any existence or lack of slutty attributes of the stewardess (or Mrs. Palin).
Really, it has been parsed enough.
June 13, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright dude, so you're saying you sprang from a mile high club moment? I KNEW it. In fact, I told the pig that, just the other day. "Peeg," says I, "Des is the typical product of a mile high ren-DES-vous." And the Peeg snickered his snickery snick. But now, suddenment, a whole lotta lil tumblers go tumblerin' into place. Just lookey here, cause meet effect:
Oxygen-poor, recycled air --- rictus-like fixed smile.
Mutant brain rays from space --- ummm, mutant brain.
Little aluminum foil bits & bites packs --- orangey skin tone.
International flight --- facility with languages.
Now if we could only explain the whole Hilary thing.
June 12, 2009 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exceptin' you didn't realize she was stewardess...ahem, flight attendant... on the Enola Gay!!! (Actually it was the Bockscar, but name recognition's not quite there, and I'm always padding my resume just in case I go on Letterman). Explosive rendezvous no doubt, let's just say things got pretty hot - most people joining the Mile High Club don't join the Nuclear Club at the same time.
"My father was sighter on the Enola Gay,
Slept with a stewardess one fine day,
And from that union there came three,
Des-olation, Des-truction and the other was me
Yo ho ho!!! And the other was me."
June 12, 2009 3:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a friend notes, Letterman didn't mention the name of "the daughter" in the joke - so he and his writers really didn't know that Willow, not Bristol, was with her mom? Letterman gets paid how many millions a year to be careless?
Most likely they enjoyed the ambiguity, either Bristol or "another Palin kid getting knocked up". It's not that Dave was advocating the rape of a 14-year-old, he was just enjoying smearing Palin females whatever their age, the Clampett family to the self-righteous left. Smells like teen spirit, eh?
June 12, 2009 3:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
"he was just enjoying smearing Palin females whatever their age,"
I didn't get anything like that hit. He was clearly talking about Sarah's problematic mothering skills and what passes for philosophy or worldview expressions.
June 12, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
GAWD, but some in this group obviously lack a sense of humor.
First, lest we forget:
a) The Palins tried to make Dave's obvious joke about Bristol sound like it was about their 14 year old. Apparently Desi and the viewers of FNC were taken in by this version of Palin twisting. Of course, the joke makes no sense in the Palins' interpretation since Bristol was the one who was knocked up.
b) Bristol was on a national tour discussing her situation. I think it's safe to say that opens her to jokes all on her own. Sorry, live like a public figure, die like a public figure. It no longer has to do with mother Sarah.
c) And the problem of calling Mother Sarah a slut is exactly what? Letterman couldn't demean her more than she potentially demeaned high political office; or have you forgotten this already?
Dave was excellent. And as he pointed out, where was the outrage from Eliot Spitzer?
We came way to close to having Sarah Palin rise to high national office -- the more people skewer the incompetent, stupid people in office (including her dopey first dude), the better.
Maybe if things like this were thrust onto GWB, the past 8 years would have been different.
June 12, 2009 4:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, CT's here to fuck things up as usual.
a) No, I stated in my post "18-year-old Bristol", i.e. it doesn't matter if it's her, it's still inappropriate. But yes, the joke can still "work" if you think, "hey, another Palin kid that gets knocked up". Keep trying, CT.
b) First, what choice did Bristol have once her mother was running for VP? Second, so everywhere Bristol's mother goes now, even though Bristol isn't with her, she's open to sex jokes on national TV? Great lesson for an 18-year-old. "Have sex with your boyfriend, and now you're the poster girl for irresponsible teen sex". How many unwed pregnant teens out there? Do we really need to keep the stupid jokes about her coming just to keep Dave's advertisers happy and "liberals" feeling smug? (I.e. this sexist, prudish tittering is exactly the opposite of "liberal" - might as well give her a Scarlet Letter).
c) It seems pretty obvious that despite winking a lot, Sarah Palin is not a slut. I'm sure all the people who hate her would have dug up something if there had been some seamy risque behavior. So what's the fucking point? Oh, it's CT - THERE IS NONE!!! People made slut jokes about Palin before, so it must be okay for Letterman to make them now!!! Brilliant thinker, there.
Spitzer made a stupid and illegal (and rather uneconomical) move to make himself the butt of jokes. I admire that he dealt with it, accepted the blame, is building himself back up. That won't kill the jokes completely, but it makes them mostly irrelevant. Bristol wasn't even a public figure (only in a few places in Alaska) when she got pregnant, and not even an adult. Oh well, taking Beavis and Butthead serious is a mistake.
June 12, 2009 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
your ad hominem attack is beneath your usually competent skills and takes away from your arguments.
June 12, 2009 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
What about the comment was ad hominem? Des addressed each of CT's points with only two fairly bland asides about the commenter as far as I can see. Frustration with CT in particular is hardly a unique trait around here and couple of sarcastic pokes in a long, coherent answer shouldn't be pegged as ad hominem.
June 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
you evidently did not read the opening statement as to why CT was present in the discourse.
June 12, 2009 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said that I saw a couple small asides that could be construed as ad hominem, but that hardly makes the entire comment one worthy of being called out as such.
June 12, 2009 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
the opening remark is not a small aside.
June 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think when compared to both the length of the comment as well as the historical context, the remark was cheeky at worst.
June 12, 2009 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are splitting hairs. A "cheeky" ad hominem attack is still an ad hominem attack. My point was the writer weakens the message being conveyed.
June 12, 2009 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK. Perhaps I am splitting hairs. I just prefer to save accusations of ad hominem attacks for comments with no other merit. That charge gets leveled to the point that it has lost its meaning.
June 12, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing what one will let another get away with if you agree with it, isn't it, Jason?
quinn as of late is also providing the ad hominem attacks. We have some of the ladies here talking of "teaching moments". Remind me how that isn't condescending?
And yet, and yet... my points are oddly compelling. Proof? Because they are considered by those here.
The TPM "community" is not really one as such, as it constantly evolves, but since the election is over, a certain homogeneity has spread here.
PS Regardless of what you say about me, I miss your regular commentary for exactly that reason. You are one of the few independent thinkers here.
June 12, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bring on the Clones!!!
June 12, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point was more to save the ad hominem accusations for comments that are totally off the spine of the conversation.
I didn't think you would take a jab by Des as a personal thing. I figured you would go right past it and on to the meat of his comment for reply. Which you basically did. Some people are just sarcastic or blunt or whatever, but that doesn't make their opinions less worthy of consideration. Some people only offer ad hominem with nothing worth digging out. I guess I am just trying to let "ad hominem" stuff slide as long as there is something of substance in the comment itself.
I may not always agree with your conclusions, but I find your points worthy of a read most times, despite any difficulty I have with language or tone. I have been wicked busy doing other stuff which is why I only chime in now and then. Thanks for the notice of independent thought on my part. There is clearly no lacking of that trait in your writing here as well.
June 12, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jason's right, I've found CT a bit trying of late, but my personal attacks don't help.
June 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, I meant Jonnienohand is right - I was using ad hominems and they didn't contribute to the discussion. My apologies.
June 12, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desi,
Apparently you've not followed things since the election. Bristol has continued to be out in front of the cameras on her own. That was most definitely a choice. It was also independent of her mother.
So you can lay off the faux "media is attacking Bristol" meme.
No wonder your head exploded!
There's a powerful argument if I ever saw one! Simply assert the conclusion. So here's a better one in return. Did you bother to listen to Letterman's joke?
"...to update her slutty flight attendant look..."
Desi, it's okay if your lips move while you read that line. Where do you see Letterman calling her a slut?
May I suggest you cool down and move to Alaska? You might be able to vent your rage in defense of Palin while her numbers continue to drop. Maybe it's because she is on TODAY today and not doing the people's business.
I think you are missing an important point:
The general hypocrisy of the family's attitudes has made the family a national joke on their own.
Or have you missed the irony that most people didn't know about these jokes until Palin made such a big deal of them?
The woman will do anything to watch herself on television. It's a hunger than can't be satiated. So I say, pound her with humor!
I think secretly you don't care about this topic at all but figured this was a nice way to stir the pot.
Congrats, my friend.
June 12, 2009 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, wrong again, I very much are about the topic.
And saying the governor has a "slutty stewardess look" isn't that far off saying she's a slut (which doesn't mean he literally thinks she's a slut - if I call you a pig, it doesn't mean I literally think you're related to MiguelH2O, it's just meant to demean).
June 12, 2009 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice to finally see you start backpedaling Desi. It means you are recognizing how off base you are.
;-)
June 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is in part because 'jokes' like this are deemed acceptable -- like n-word jokes once were -- that we have Obama instead of Clinton as President. Clinton would have done a better job.
June 12, 2009 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whether sexist or racist jokes are considered acceptable depends largely on the audience.
I did a lot of election canvassing in West Virginia, southern Ohio and central Pennsylvania. More than once, I got this joke thrown at me:
Lest we forget, there are many modern variations on "nigger" jokes that do not actually use the word, in addition to those jokes which still do. It's easy to dismiss them because Obama actually won the election. But there are numerous vandalized campaign offices - and harassed campaign workers - who will gladly testify to just how "acceptable" some people find those jokes.
I regard your last sentence as pure speculation meant to cause foment, and it's disregarded as such due to a lack of supporting evidence for it. I hope that others who read it regard it similarly, as we have much bigger fish to fry.
June 12, 2009 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Letterman won't be using the n- word on his show, ever, but slutty rolls off his tongue just fine. Now, if Michelle Obama dresses something like Sarah Palin (who seems to dress in a fairly normal style), will we think "oh, nice slutty-stewardess look"? We're not talking Pammie Lee or Paris Hilton here who earned their wings in this regard.
June 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she starts winking at the camera, we might.
Slutty look is, in part, how you carry yourself.
By the way, JFK was (and continues to be) referred to as a pretty playboy.
This stuff is nothing new. People will use whatever they have in their arsenal to get elected.
If getting elected was based on cool rational thinking, many of the emotionally based arguments found on TPM would simply disappear.
June 12, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I recall correctly, FLOTUS was #93 on this year's MAXIM "Hot 100". (No, I don't know who else was on the list - I read this in an article about her.)
The point being, this sort of things happens with women all the time - whether they wink at the camera or not. It;s not right - but it's just as wrong that some women (and SP falls into this category) engage in some of the behavior artappraiser describes elsewhere in this thread.
And, sadly, all this may just be a prelude. Imagine the headlines and ledes if Stormy Daniels decides to challenge David Vitter. It'll make "lipstick on a pig" look like "chicken crossing the road" (no offense, Bwak!).
June 12, 2009 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
None taken. I tend to agree.
June 12, 2009 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are a NY partisan and there is nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise.
But since you want to feebly bring up the old argument that Hillary's sex was a detriment, let me just say: let's find a woman worthy of running for office who does it on her own and not on her husband's back.
There are more women in this country then men. If women really thought Hillary was the better choice, she would have won the primaries.
June 12, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Point a is the crux. It's all feigned indignity. Kind of like when a basketball player gets lightly touched and then falls and acts like he just had his daylights pummeled out of him to try and get a foul called. Usually it looks a bit fake and this one's no exception.
June 12, 2009 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I think that Palin is trying to desperately keep her Q rating up and given how empty headed she is, has no way of doing this with actual policy.
She could have been a national figure with the air of the future of the GOP. Instead she reminds me of the petty bickering head cheerleader type -- which is actually what she is.
June 12, 2009 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, at times her intellectual demeanour makes yours look absolutely stultified. Why is that? Maybe she picked a tidbit or two out of her communications degree, or it's that time snowmobiling.
June 12, 2009 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's because you are mesmerized by her slutty attire and winks.
June 12, 2009 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just shut the fuck up.
June 13, 2009 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Des, fire up that weed-whacker you call a brain and come up with an argument one hell of a lot better than this. You need a life, man.
June 16, 2009 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
for the record, i didn't see the original routine. i did see letterman's response via huffpo. and i thought it was hillarious. i'm rethinking that response, but so far don't see any reason.
question: who is hurt by the "jokes?"
it seems the choices are spitzer, a-rod, sarah palin, bristol palin, flight attendants, women and/or girls.
if you answer girls, women and/or flight attendants i'll give you the time of day to make a case. both palins, a-rod and spitzer, on the other hand, made their beds, so to speak.
June 12, 2009 4:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah well, imagine someone in your family becomes famous, so the press has the right to shove a camera in your drawers and make your private business the topic of Tonight's Top Ten.
Many so-called "progressives" and "liberals" around here seem to have no real values whatsoever, just spiteful lenses on the world that support their arbitrary partisan choice. Might as well be Republican, ain't a spit's worth of difference.
June 12, 2009 7:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. I didn't hear any democrats defending as mere jokes the "slut" references and jokes regarding Linda Sanchez's looks when she became the first unmarried US Congresswoman to give birth. The Republicans were crowing about what a bad message this sends and the high rate of single motherhood among Hispanic women.
It's embarrassing that some democrats are defending this. That is not what we used to be.
June 12, 2009 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tasteless jokes are out of style? The man is a comedian! You people need to get a grip!
June 12, 2009 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rush Limbaugh's just telling jokes!!! He's a comedian!!! You people need to get a grip!!! Michael J. Fox wiggling around - just a gag, get it??? Hillary's a ball-cutting feminazi!!! Hee hee hee. Sotomayor? Just another illegal immigrant here to get pregnant and legislate from the bench. Ain't that a crackup? I'm Des the comedian, don't get mad, relax!!!! It's all funny!!! Order more than the 2-drink minimum and I'll tell some real howlers!!!
June 12, 2009 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you are a comedian, may I be the first to recommend another line of work that perhaps you are better suited for?
Limbaugh tries to be funny on occasion to be sure.
But he doesn't have a staff of joke writers.
On the other hand, if Limbaugh truly is a comedian than the GOP, who regularly quote him, are the biggest clowns in the circus.
June 12, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Limbaugh and Coulter are valid comparisons to comedians like Leno or Letterman, who make distasteful humor about just about anyone. Limbaugh poses as an entertainer, but he really is a propagandist operative using entertainment as a pretext. I think a better comparison would be the New Yorker's fist-bump cover and the completely contrasting reactions it evoked from those now defending Letterman. There's also the huge outrage over the New York Post's monkey shooting cartoon about the stimulus bill. On all sides, we find mockery easier to deal than to take, and there will always be differences in interpretation.
June 12, 2009 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's all entertainment. There are only subtle differences between laughter and yelling "right on". I think Lenny Bruce got us to that point.
June 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, no.
Neither Limbaugh nor Coulture are trying to be funny.
They just are.
That's the difference between "laughing with" and "laughing at".
June 12, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to get back to the universally-supported topics for humor.
Farting.
And how the Yankees suck. (Or blow, depending on your perspective.)
Ok ok. How about this one. "A homo sapiens, a bi-pedal and a Jew with a chainsaw walk into a bar...."
June 12, 2009 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's "gay sapiens" to you, buddy, and I think that pedal was transgender. Not going near the chainsaw.
June 12, 2009 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
universally-supported topics for humor
Good turn of phrase, very useful!
Since this thread is getting more nuanced commentary than standard, I would like to take the opportunity to be brutally honest on the topic. As a feminist, I was not that offended by Dave's list, and I did find some of it funny, naughty funny but funny. I find with this kind of thing there is a continuum from least offensive to most offensive. What Dave's list made clear to me is that when it is the old stereotype humor about female peeps known as bimboes, it is not as offensive. Because a true feminist would hope that someday in a perfect future nobody would actually want to be a bimbo (except perhaps some drag queens who may want to maintain the character.) But for now, we have to admit, there are still bimboes.
So there is irony involved, about the whole unfortunate bimbo situation. I don't think Dave is a sexist pig, I just think he finds humor in bimboness. His list doesn't anger me. I know some dumb and really sexist people will use Dave's use of this genre to continue to perpetuate dumb stupid sexist attacks, that's the bad part.
On the other hand, I do find my blood boiling at some things Bill Maher says. I do think Bill Maher is a sexist pig, in his heart and soul. The difference between Dave and Bill is that one of them is sexist pig. He often doesn't even try to be funny about it.
June 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
There will always be bimbos as there will always more restrained women. Mixing up the 2 is where the problems arise, especially in the professional world when women are trying to get something done.
June 12, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I think Sarah Palin mixes up the two very intentionally and by choice and with full awareness. She thinks it will get her somewhere (that beauty pageant training did not go to waste,) thinks she can handle it, but it is a dangerous game. I played a little bit of it myself in my younger years, many women have if honest with themselves. If she is really serious about advancing out of the state of Alaska, she is going to have to give up a lot of the bimbo plays. It works in our current state of what is called TV journalism, but it will not go very well in politics. (It doesn't work in most other countries, either, but has been well parodied in Europe, like Cicciolina's foray into Italian politics.)
June 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gross exaggeration. She's not strutting around tits out like Cicciolina, not even close. People's puerile imagination seems to have captured the best of their common sense.
June 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't saying they were equivalent level, I called Cicciolina a parody of the theme.
I hated to see the criticism of Palin for putting her kids on stage with her and the whole nanny bedtime police thing. But this is different, I think the image she has currently chosen for herself has some bimbo to it and it is fair game. She's not poor and uneducated and doesn't know any better, quite the contrary, she is purposefully partly playing that character in order to bamboozle the poor and uneducated who don't know any better. Her tongue in cheek responses to this whole thing confirms it for me, she understands totally what's going on.
In any case, I just wanted to offer one opinion that Dave's list did not bother me as a feminist; I don't really want to get into deconstructing it all (that's like explaining visual art with words, work, not fun,) I found it very low on the "offensive" scale.
June 12, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand, I do find my blood boiling at some things Bill Maher says. I do think Bill Maher is a sexist pig, in his heart and soul. The difference between Dave and Bill is that one of them is sexist pig. He often doesn't even try to be funny about it.
Bingo
Maher is one of those guys who appears to be making up for a perceived shortcoming by projecting himself as a low-rent version of Hugh Hefner.
June 12, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
First, no one on the right complained when appearance after appearance cat whistles could be heard in the crown and countless people thinking out loud how they would like to nail Palin.
She played that role to a T, going as far as to wink into the camera all the time, now she's mad a joke referred to her look as slutty, please. No one called her slutty, just her look. I have yet to hear anyone seriously claim she is cheating on Todd.
Same with Bristol, no one said rape or force, just a joke about her being easy with a guy know for being easy as well. Seriously, has it really come down to pregnant teens are off the 'easy' joke list, how about professional athletes, because the joke was just as offensive to A-rod, maybe even more so.
The joke was told weeks ago, and no one cared until Dave called mom's look, slutty. Bristol is a public figure, she does interviews, she was on tour to promote abstinence, after she said it didn't work, after she said it did. Sorry, but where was the hoopla from Octo-mom ? Both are out there bringing their babies into the conversation, yet the babies are off limits ? How are we not suppose to find the whole Palin non-sense not funny, they are a walking talking satires of themselves, yet because they claim to be so wholesome, we should respect that and leave them alone. But octo-mom is fair game ? The selective outrage over the Palins is nothing more then fake political outrage.
And let's not forget, Lettermen is good at interviews and delivery, his writers do the Top 10. Was it in bad taste ? Was it offensive ? Of course, but that's the definition of comedy. Good comedy hits the places we are too scare to go. Without bad taste and offensive jokes comedy is left with... Gallagher and I suspect some people find him in bad taste, or maybe that's just me.
When you decide that bad taste and offensive jokes are something we can not have, at least go after every other instance in the media, not just when the Palins are involved.
For the record, this should be reserved for public figures, not their families, but once the family does more then background, like interviews, campaigning, and blogs, they become public figures and wide open for scrutiny and humor.
June 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, this is corporate humor, Letterman's not much edgier than my grandma at this point, a tad more than Leno or Conan.
Anyway, can't wait for Malia and Sasha to hit 18, so we get to start on barnyard jokes - won't that be fun. Blame it on their parents, they put them on stage.
And no, it wasn't any funnier the nasty jokes about Janet Reno and others.
Regarding Bristol's message, sounds like she's presenting both safe sex and abstinence, and in general trying to let young kids know that raising a kid isn't playing golf. But if she doesn't express it exactly how you'd like politically, I'm sure that's reason to start insulting her.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30597615/
June 12, 2009 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, get over yourself Des.
Tell me: have the Bush twins been hounded this way?
No. And there is a reason for that.
Same as for the Obama kids.
Sarah Palin is the classic country bumpkin that thinks that being the queen of the prom in some podunk town gives her an edge of the city slickers she tangles with. She's just too dumb to know she doesn't even know the rules of the game! So, the more she tangles with a comedian, the dumber she looks. He never has to look serious, she always does.
And worse, she hasn't even figured that out yet!
June 12, 2009 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what does that have to do with her kids?
June 12, 2009 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read the first few sentences, Desi, associated with the Bush and Obama girls.
I know, I did put two separate thoughts in that comment. Sorry if you found it taxing.
June 12, 2009 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to meet your grandma.
June 12, 2009 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Small problem is she's dead and gone, but I'll see what I can do, put in a good word for you at least.
June 12, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bummer. Thanks.
June 13, 2009 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Des, you really need to consider decaf!
June 12, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Considered. Rejected. 6 large cappuccinos a day, gotta keep the heart moving.
June 12, 2009 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Work on the brain, Des, your heart isn't your problem. And I mean that in the good way, about your heart.
June 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero.
Did you read my comment ? This has nothing to do with how and why she is expressing whatever message she has, it's that she, not her mother, has decided to go from background, to foreground and that makes her available for ridicule and humor. I think the joke about her was stupid, but what isn't stupid is that both jokes insulted other people, Arod and stewardesses and no one seems to think that's a problem, including yourself. Why are the Palin two a problem ?
When you include flight attendants and Arod in your bad taste rant then I might take you more seriously, but when your only focus is the Palins, it's fairly easy to dismiss is as political outrage.
And if you answer to infer that Obama's kids are fair game, I clearly stated they aren't, unless they start interviewing, or campaigning, or anything else that is pro-active on their parts to be in the public eye. And to say those Letterman jokes were barnyard is an insult to all good barnyard jokes, seriously.
Oh and the examples you site, did you write posts about those violations, or did the jokes about the Palins just go to far. They have been making fun of women forever, just like they have about men, priests, and a whole lot of groups I won't mention here. Why this joke, why these two ? The answer is obvious and you know it.
June 12, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too late - people already said Mum put kids up in front of the camera, and what's good for Sarah is good for Barack. Hey, let's get those slutty 8-year-old comments coming.
June 12, 2009 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find this "what's good for Sarah is good for Barack. Hey, let's get those slutty 8-year-old comments coming" joke far more offensive than anything Letterman said.
Bristol Palin is 18 and out on a promotional tour for abstinence education. There is no equivalent here.
June 17, 2009 4:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wanna know why no one calls Dave out for his excessive blond highlights. He looks ridiculous.
June 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink