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YEAAHHHAARRRGGHHH!!! Howard Dean for HHS!!!
Yep, write Obama, call the White House, tell them Des sent you, sure that'll bump you to the front of the line.
Want a snake like Daschle "changing" health care? Or a "crossover" Republican like Gregg who'll be at Commerce? Or a pretty-boy self-promoting talking head like Gupta more attuned to TV ratings and spouting pharma company wisdow than medical science?
Or someone who actually helped revive the Democratic party through his 50 state efforts the last two elections, and who actually is a doctor and ran his state effectively and economically?
So give it up for Dr. Dean. Let me hear you say YEAAHHHAARRRGGHHH!!! A little louder, so CNN can mix it up in the audio track. Is there a Doctor in the (White) House?
Want a snake like Daschle "changing" health care? Or a "crossover" Republican like Gregg who'll be at Commerce? Or a pretty-boy self-promoting talking head like Gupta more attuned to TV ratings and spouting pharma company wisdow than medical science?
Or someone who actually helped revive the Democratic party through his 50 state efforts the last two elections, and who actually is a doctor and ran his state effectively and economically?
So give it up for Dr. Dean. Let me hear you say YEAAHHHAARRRGGHHH!!! A little louder, so CNN can mix it up in the audio track. Is there a Doctor in the (White) House?
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February 4, 2009 7:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
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General info . . .
I've decided to take liberty and repost this comment for a second time higher in the thread for those coming in late.
For those who wish to see the single-player plan see the light-of-day, better think twice if you support Dr. Dean.
And I appreciate a lot of the hard work that Dean has accomplished, but he's not in the single-payer camp.
~OGD~
February 4, 2009 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly Des, I think it's a great idea, the only one that makes sense to ME, but I don't have much hope for it.
They're talking about Sebelius, which seems rather uninspired to me, and this guy Mark McClellan, who is apparently a markets-can-fix-health-care kinda guy, so...
February 4, 2009 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hope you are wrong about Mark McClellan - he'sScotty's brother and another Republican that work (FDA Commissioner under Bush). If we get another Republican, I'm going to wonder why I bothered to vote.
February 4, 2009 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
You and me both. I didn't realize they were related though, which sort of speaks for itself...
February 4, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They're talking about Sebelius, which seems rather uninspired to me.."
You obviously have not done your Sebelius homework. I guarantee, no one who is familiar with Kathleen Sebelius would ever use the term "uninspired", she's a tough-minded, aisle crashing Democrat who happens to be a woman.
We need more of both in the Obama cabinet.
And on top of all that, she cut her political teeth as state insurance commissioner, particularly by denying the HMO's and health insurance companies unrestricted control over Kansas residents' healthcare, (which our Republican legislature was quite gladly handing over to the worst culprits in the business, in exchange for easy campaign bucks)..
More than one armchair pundit agrees with me, particularly here in Kansas..
http://jep-betweenthelines.blogspot.com/2008/11/from-todays-wichita-eagle-sebelius-next.html
If it weren't for the fact she might be the only viable Democratic candidate who can beat one of our pernicious, profligate Republican Redlegs in 2010 for Brownback's senate seat, I would be all for her appointment to the cabinet.
Nut in a situation like this, we need the best and brightest helping Obama clean up the Bush mess, so if he does tap Sebelius, Obama is making a wise choice.
Certainly not an "uninspired" one.
February 4, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
PS; I would also support Howard Dean for the post, too, to be quite candid, I would have a hard time choosing between Dean and Sebelius.
But it will probably be someone we haven't mentioned or considered here, although like the rest among us, I don't understand why Howard has been cold-shouldered, considering the work he has done to bring the Democratic Party back in places without names we recognize.
February 4, 2009 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I stand corrected! I'd read that she took on the insurance companies back when but also that she had problems with getting health care reform passed. And, I also read that she had her name removed from Obama's Cabinet possibilities, so I didn't go much further than that. I see from looking a little bit more that you are absolutely right. Think she'd take it at this point?
Plus, I was pulling for Dean, though I think it's a long shot.
February 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read further, later comments, this is a very complicated situation, politically, and her decision might well hinge on her potential to win a Senate seat.
I can only say that, by now, I trust her to make the right decision, she has never disappointed me in the past. Whatever she decides, it will probably be the best choice for EVERYONE and not just Kathleen Sebelius. That is her MO.
February 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems like everybody I like is named Dean. Howard Dean, John Dean and James Dean.
Howard Dean's numbers are high in the Democratic Party. He remains a respected man in our country and we have not heard the end of him by any means.
February 4, 2009 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
His wife's big sins were 1) not being pretty as a picture, 2) not giving up her doctoring job to campaign, and 3) not mingling with the Beltway crowd or taking up a lobbying position. The media loves politicians who have little ol' things at home and act like they're important.
February 4, 2009 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
"1) not being pretty as a picture"
until she smiles, then it is easy to see why Howard was so smitten.
And those smiles don't come on demand, they are only real, which is why they kept her out of the limelight, because she just wouldn't fake it like the rest of them.
February 4, 2009 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Classy lady!
February 4, 2009 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
My only point is she won't be a Vogue cover, and the media bunch love to pick apart toothy grins.
February 4, 2009 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, certainly Vogue isn't too interested in Cabinet members' significant others (President Clinton being an obvious exception).
I think Dean's now the best person for the job. Period. It's hard to imagine what direct animosity Obama could have for Dean, given that there hasn't been so much as a whisper of any.
We know Dean and Emanuel probably don't like each other, but I don't remember voting for Rahm. So, if Obama's being overly influenced by his CoS, that's a big concern for me.
I don't agree with the Salon piece on Daschle at all; take the tax issue away, and I'd have been happy to have him. But Dems do have a deep bench for this job, and nominating Dean would probably do Obama a lot of good on a lot of levels.
February 4, 2009 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
"It's hard to imagine what direct animosity Obama could have for Dean,"
I would suggest the problem is between surrogates at a lower level. Both Dean and Obama need to meet and talk this over, and leave the middlemen and women with bitterness out of the discussions.
There are still DLC Dems who think the DNC is a bunch of low-life wannabe's. Most of those DLCers are trapped in that DC Democrats crowd that owes too much of their loyalty to Republican moneyed interests.
February 4, 2009 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say the problem is between Dean and certain of the senior staff.
February 4, 2009 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
again, drop the middleman out of the mix, and get Obama and Dean in the same room for a few minutes.
But I agree, there's probably some bad feelings left over, and they stem from the DNC/DLC rift in essence.
Someone asked me once how you tell a DLCer from a DNCer.
My best answer; The DlCer is probably a millionaire.
February 4, 2009 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's all bullshit. It had nothing to do with the DLC/DNC and everything to do with Dean as DNC head borrowing $10 million dollars at the end of election in 2006 and not going all in, keeping $6 million on reserve instead of spending it in the final push to elect more Dems. A lot of Dems were a little flummoxed and irritated about that. Emanuel who raised an unheard of $120 million for Dem House candidates that year and saw them do so well he expanded the DCCC's assistance to them out to 4 tiers knew other seats were within our grasp if that cash had been spent.
That being said if there's any resistance to Dean in Obama's camp it's gotta be because he has no direct experience in DC. But that can be said about many other candidates too.
February 4, 2009 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dean isn't in control of how much congresspeople contribute to the DSCC and DCCC, but those incumbents still hoarded millions at the expense of the challengers coming up through competitive districts. And even there there's good news ... Dems won! Twice. And now have bigger majorities in Congress that Republicans did in their so-called 'revolution' in '94. Whatever problem Rahm Emanuel supposedly has with Howard Dean is not admissable as a 'real problem' in what I still consider a serious Obama administration. If Rahm's still sore, then it is he who is harming chances at a successful HHS secretary and health care reform. There isn't any time for such grievances.
In terms of fiscal choices, Dean was responsible for building a sustainable base of small donors so that the Democratic Party could detach from the crotch of corporate America. The benefits of Dean's initiatives at the DNC are far more valuable to me than Rahm's hurt feelings in a battle he lost years ago.
February 4, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That's all bullshit."
Please, you can say "I think that's all bullshit"
But anything less is arrogant.
Again, you might have started with at least a modicum of humility, but I guess certitude should never be hampered by decorum.
And keep in mind, Dean was adamant about building up the 50 State strategy and maintaining it, while others wanted to allocate those funds more specifically.
That is the gist of the rift you speak of, and your DLC point of view is a bit myopic. There are two sides to every story, if Dean had plans for that money, it would appear he may have been right.
For those of us who spent time knocking on doors in red states that turned blue, Dean's 50-state strategy seems to have worked. I can think of at least three states where it was crucial.
James Carville shares your opinion, though, just wondered if that might be where you took it from?
February 4, 2009 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
JEP07 a guy who takes 4 sentences and cuts it up into 4 paragraphs to lecture me about arrogance shouldn't lecture me about arrogance. And if you get to know me you'll find out humility isn't one of my more refined personality traits.
The purpose of the 50 state strategy is to elect Democrats. On the cusp of an election, especially one as important as 2006 when we were on the verge of retaking the legislative branch it is necessary to give everything you've got and worry about raising money for field operatives in Mississippi later.
Fuck that "your DLC point of view" comment, I'm no member of the DLC. (If that offends you see my humility comment above.)
You speak of a rift that just may not exist anywhere outside of the fevered imaginations of blog posters as I explained to Harvey above. If you have any reported quotes or even stories about Emanuel dissing Dean for the HHS jobs let's see the links.
And of course there's two sides to every story, sometimes many, but that doesn't mean they're all factual. I recall many folks being pissed at Kerry for ending up with $15 million unspent in 2004, Hillary with $10 million after 2006 to sink into her presidential run, and all those congress people Harvey speaks about above. How is it any different for the DNC to hoard it's cash? Especially when DNC contributions are targeted for electing all Dems instead specific candidates? I've never seen Dean deny it. I've never heard him justify it though I've read lots of bloggers defend that inaction. It might be in hindsight he agrees.
I spent a little time knocking on doors myself. I was elected the precinct committeeman of the year in my township a couple weeks ago. Dean's 50 state strategy didn't do squat here in IL, not that I expected it to. There were other states that needed our help more. But there's no excuse for us not getting the VAN until July. We could have used Dean's help on that one and finally Durbin intervened on our part or we never would have had access to it.
And if Carville's right in that instance in 2006, he's right.
I love Howard Dean, I took the DFA campaign course in 2007, run by his brother Jim, that morphed out of his presidential campaign. Great nuts and bolts stuff all crammed into one weekend. DFAers helped us quite a bit in my neck of the woods last year, some even from out of state, and they were all experienced pros.
The point of all this is you guys really ought to stop speculating that there's some rift between Emanuel and Dean or that Rahm is behind every decision Obama makes you don't like without any evidence. If you have some fine, let's see it otherwise you're just blowing smoke and we get enough of that from Republicans.
February 4, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh, I belong to the DFA they have meetings once every couple months
At bars, or pizza places. Have to love THAT.
February 4, 2009 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take that course if you can Bwak. Worth every penny. Really helps you figure out what's happening in campaigns and will make you a much better volunteer.
February 5, 2009 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It does humorously remind me of "of course Hillary will have plenty of money for her presidential campaign, so why couldn't she share some?" Whether it would have helped her or they would have come to hate her after supporting them is another issue.
February 5, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Half the purpose any politician has for having a big honkin warchest PAC is to use to buy friends. Hillary didn't even bother helping congressional candidates in her own state in 2006 while she buried what little opposition managed to throw at her. After Guiliani wasn't there that crazy woman who immolated herself on stage at her announcement press conference? Hill finally wound up facing that twerp from Long Island who thought it was a good idea to come over to her podium and try to intimidate her at the debate. He's lucky she didn't leave with his watch.
February 5, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Harvey, Dean may not have controlled how much money congresspeople contributed to the DSCC and DCCC but that's not the point, he controlled that $10 million the DNC borrowed and it was understood he borrowed it to spend it all in the last days of the 2006 election. Electing candidates is what we build the party for. Successful elections make for successful fundraising the next year. Incredibly successful elections make for incredibly successful fundraising the next year.
You guys are speculating Rahm still has a "problem" with Dean over this and is holding a grudge. Ya got any evidence for that? Or is that just what you'd like to believe? And please tell me again why I should specifically hate Rahm.
"In terms of fiscal choices, Dean was responsible for building a sustainable base of small donors so that the Democratic Party could detach from the crotch of corporate America."
Frankly I think Markos Moulitos and Barack Obama had more to do with that than Dean though Dean did a bang up job raising small donations in his own run in 2003. The DNC was a fundraising laggard through most of the last election cycle though that may have been feature of the plan rather than a bug.
February 4, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Response here.
February 4, 2009 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dean is too divisive a figure for this post. I wish we could have had Hillary Clinton but it's too late for that. I really don't know who should be chosen. But I do feel that he or she should be a kind of inspirational figure even if we haven't heard of them yet.
February 4, 2009 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am concerned that the "too divisive" tag is really just another way of saying that Dean is not a member of the club in the same way as is Daschle and Gregg and the others. In my mind, that recommends him highly for the post.
We will not get anything substantial on single payer health care for so long as we continue to look to the Washington Insiders who are so remarkably owned by the insurance and big pharma and health care corporations.
What kind of independent health care reform were we expecting from Daschle? And what would we get from McClellan? Although Obama has talked about getting away from the corrupt way of doing business that is Washington, these choices lack any such inspiration.
And at this point, they should all be feeling mighty embarrassed - hopefully embarrassed enough to at last do the right thing and put in place a health care crusader to shake things up and take us down new paths. If not Howard Dean, then why not look to advocacy groups such as the California Nurses Association for recommendations? They've been seriously promoting this issue for some time, and I certainly trust them a whole lot more than any Congressperson, Wahington Staff person, or Lobbyist.
February 4, 2009 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course that is what they mean by too divisive. Not only is he not a member of the club, he is against the club. The spineless DC Democrats don't want to upset the Republicans who can impact their fortunes in the private sector as they use the revolving door that serves them while fucking over the nation. Howard knows what they are all about and they fear him. Were they more vocal and more demanding they would fear the people too. But the people remain isolated, hopeful that Obama will be what they hoped he would be despite all the evidence we have seen thus far in terms of his appointments. Not a single one of them is a reliably liberal, liberal. They are either all Republicans or they are centrist/DLC Democrats beholden and subservient to the same corporate interests.
February 4, 2009 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The spineless DC Democrats don't want to upset the Republicans who can impact their fortunes in the private sector..."
Can we get that engraved on a giant stone tablet ad placed on The Mall in DC? Put it at one end of the reflecting pool for all the world to see.
...absolutely SPOT-ON, it explains why the majority Dems appear to be flailing as the minority R's are fooling themselves into thinking they can manage things their way.
Anyone else vote for a Virtual Congress? Bring them all home to their constituents, away from the K-Street vultures, and make them debate and vote online WHILE WE WATCH AND LISTEN!
The horse-and-buggy faded long before it's requisite form of government has. It is time to bring our lawmakers and their work kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.
February 4, 2009 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, "divisive" just means "someone we don't like". Sarah Palin wasn't divisive? Limbaugh? Bush? Rahm Emmanuel?
February 4, 2009 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the context in which it was used here, I think it clearly refers to this instance of the "too divisive" term being used to specifically discount Howard Dean.
That was my intent, anyway. Sorry for any confusion.
February 4, 2009 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somehow I sense old issues among democrats here rather the real problem at hand. I'm only interested in the passage of universal healthcare. I would support anyone who I thought would be an effective leader. Many people have a negative reaction to Howard Dean. He's just not a practical choice because of that reality. If one takes the insider vs. outsider viewpoint, one is back in Ralph Nader territory. I'm a diehard Green. I don't have much use for insider democratic politics. But it's time to be practical about this most pressing problem.
February 4, 2009 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am with you all the way, kali star.
My point is that I don't think we could ever have expected any real progress on health care with Daschle at the wheel. His owners on K Street would never have allowed such a thing, and Obama is also non-committal on single payer. We will need an advocate who pushes for it to get it onto the agenda. I otherwise fear we end up with the same kind of nonsense we had with Clinton after the Jackson Hole Meeting with the Insurance Company Execs. I'm pretty certain it resulted in a fattening of the campaign coffers, but at the cost of any significant reforms.
I take your message that we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good on this issue. It seems, however, that we are gaining a remarkable momentum among the electorate for substantial change in universal health care, and it is perhaps best promoted by using the issue to highlight just how corrupt pay-to-play is in Washington. The two issues - Health Care and Clean Government - are thus complementary, and I think we have a case here where it will do well to hold Congress' feet to the fire. They need to learn who is truly in charge in this Republic, and Single Payer Universal Health Care is just the kind of populist issue that can stir the masses and help drive home the point.
But then again, I am always a bit of a rabble-rouser willing to storm the barricades, and so I'd be interested to learn what others think is the best strategy from here.
February 4, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need more rabble rousing ! That's the point isn't it? We must create continuing pressure by tapping into this economic situation which is a time when the numbers of people who don't have health insurance is increasing and those who do have it realize that they may lose it. We must avoid the traps that are set for us fighting about the details of a plan. We must demand broad strokes. We must put real faces on those who die every day without coverage. People may forget the "crazies" who chained themselves to trees in the old-growth forests. Not all the trees were saved. But some still stand. Fight. Keep fighting.
February 4, 2009 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom Daschle who's up to his eyeballs in weird controversial lobbying activity is "non-divisive". Howard Dean who was a pro-gun financially conservative governor who happened to hate the stupid non-thought out Iraq War is "divisive".
Howard Dean planned and implemented our House and Senate majorities, not Barack Obama. "Divisive" to Republicans means he was effective for Democrats. Guess what - we won, they lost, they can come around a bit. Especially with the pro-business slant that I've been proposing forever - companies are crap at deciding and administering health care packages. It's not their core competence, and they have conflicting goals between short-term and long-term costs (which hurts their employees). Making health care mobile means the wrong employees don't stick around for the wrong reasons. Anyone, Chairman Dean is fine by me, let Republicans adapt to the New Now.
February 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see the opponents of health care playing the loop of Dean freaking out over and over again. I would hope that the person to lead this battle would have either charisma or unimpeachable character. But once chosen, I give my immediate support without a gripe. I just want to get on with this. The most important thing is to keep the pressure on the President and the Congress.
February 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your intended meaning was clear.
February 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
People who would look to a Secretary Dean to actively and publicly crusade for single-payer will be disappointed, I believe, in the reality.
If Dean is nominated and confirmed to run HHS, he will be in charge of implementing Obama's HHS-related policy proposals. And I don't think POTUS supports single-payer - at least, he never has publicly.
Now, Dean might well try to make private arguments for single-payer. However, I wouldn't expect to read factual accounts of those particular discussions.
In fact, this may be a reason he wasn't brought in to begin with. It is possible that Dean couldn't reconcile himself to administering a reform he didn't completely buy into. And, while that kind of idealism is certainly to be admired, it's a hard way to get a job in the Beltway.
February 4, 2009 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dean is perfectly capable of being an effective grownup to work for policy he might not 100% agree with.
February 4, 2009 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The last paragraph was speculation. It certainly doesn't make sense, based on what information we have, for Dean not to be involved with the Administration. However, he is very opinionated (which is good), and he doesn't have a history of self-editing (which is not so good).
As I said in another post before this blog went up, I think he's the top candidate. But there must be some explanation for his freeze-out.
February 4, 2009 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
A. Plans for single payer are already on the table in the Congress.
B. If Obama is now really listening to the people, he should choose someone committed to single payer.
C. Dean is fine with me. Sibelius is fine with me.
D. This should be about health care, not about personalities.
E. If Obama stands for change, let's see single payer health care.
February 4, 2009 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
except for one abiding, sorry fact...
Our healthcare system, particularly managed care and pharmacuetical corporations have been commandeered by the greediest members of our monopolist boo-cooking CEO class, and they have been among the major contributors to political campaigns since that pernicious transition began.
So not only do we have the ludicrous "get a job" crowd desperate to deny health care to the less fortunate among us, we have most the wealthiest people in our country having invested a big share of their personal fortunes in this industry as a sure-profit instrument. In the upper circles of the seedy financial world, the whole concept of healthcare as medicine was abandoned and replaced with healthcare as investment.
And as long as those multi-millionaires and billionaires make at least some of their easy money on these investments, they will exercise the political power they have purchased to protect their profits.
No matter who suffers because of it.
If ever there were a symbol of neo-class-warfare, this is it. And the only way to rectify the problem is to approach the ballot box with a continued fervor and dedication to enlisting as many non-voters into the process as possible, so all that easy money from the HMO's and the pharmies just isn't enough to get their creeps elected.
One might call this wishful thinking, but only someone who did not follow the Obama campaign's grassroots origins and explosion.
The world of politics has changed, and the future promises a great populist movement that the billionaires can't buy their way out of.
February 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
fwiw, I don't edit my stuff, so there are always lots of grammatical gaffes that are not there because I'm ignorant, they are there because I don't have time for "perfect"...
When you see I've use "were" instead of "was" don't assume it is out of ignorance, I know the proper form, and I would correct it if I had all the time in the world, and I thought it mattered.
February 4, 2009 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is not often that I find myself in disagreement with you, Thera. And points A, C and D have my complete support.
That said...I have a problem with B and E. Not so much an opposition to single-payer health care, but rather, that Obama didn't advocate single-payer.
Therefore, pegging what he stands for to a demand for him to adopt a standard that he never advocated in the first place seems strange to me.
Also, "the people" covers a few folks who don't read or post at TPM. "The people" gave him a mandate based, in part, on his promise for universal health care. So, I would argue "the people" have already spoken on this matter.
This does NOT mean that people shouldn't push for what they want. That includes single-payer, mass transit, ANWR drilling or any side of any other issue that comes to mind. I just think he should be judged on what he promised - and was elected - to do.
February 4, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
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February 4, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Grazie, signora. :)
February 4, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for saying it better than I could, Boyd. All or Nothing ultimatums usually lead to nothing and not all. I think single payer is probably the best solution, but it is far from the only solution.
February 4, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
So you support A,C, and D as well. Now we're getting somewhere! :-)
February 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the most part, though they aren't deal breakers for me. I just want to see forward progress that doesn't make our problems worse.
February 4, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
then would you agree that taking the public healthcare obligation off the shoulders of small business would encourage those businesses to grow, and create new jobs?
Single-payer eliminates BILLIONS in administrative costs, and gives small businesses (and, yes, BIG businesses) some breathing room to grow. And it might make possible some system of control over pharmacueutical costs.
I find it curious, how the "capitalists" (most of them have no idea of the real meaning of the word) among us are so terrified at capping drug prices, but they are glad to cap legal fees.
I mean, seriously, is this some sort of selective capitalism? The cost of lawsuits constitutes a fraction of the total medical-cost equation, compared to outrageous cost of prescription drugs.
But since the insurance companies have to pay for those lawsuits, they have used their co-owned media to convince the public those costs are 90% of every medical bill.
February 4, 2009 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except for the tin foil hat conspiracies (Health care industry and media industry in direct collusion? Someone would have spilled the beans by now.) I am mostly there with you.
I would agree that taking the burden of providing health care and pension benefits from the shoulders of all business (big, medium and small) would make us more competitive and would cost less money. I think we need to stop making policies based on special interests and start making policies based on common needs.
Fixing all of these systemic problems will take more than a single session of Congress. I am not sure we can get there in one fell swoop, nor do I think all Americans will get there at the same time, philosophically.
Sometimes slow is fast when addressing huge challenges in a pluralistic society.
February 4, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media participation in any "conspiracy" need never go any further than "acceptance of conventional wisdom because we're too cheap/lazy to investigate" in order for it to be a fruitful "conspiracy", until the get back to real muckraking and fact-checking their non-feasance amounts to malfeasance. It doesn't take any more than that.
No, there's been a huge push from the National Chamber of Commerce to cap lawyers' ability to collect for clients, I made the mistake of letting myself be put on their e-mailing list, and I would get the most ridiculous crap in my e-mail from these yodels.
Read how they're trying to say that the Lilly Ledbetter law is solely going to be a playground for lawyers and do the women that have been cheated out of wages no good. It's absolute horseshit.
February 4, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never expected special interests to do anything other than advocate on behalf of their interests. The problem is the ones who are supposed to advocate on behalf of the common interests have been compromised and we have been lax in our duty of sending them home, hat in hand.
February 4, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Except for the tin foil hat conspiracies (Health care industry and media industry in direct collusion? Someone would have spilled the beans by now.) I am mostly there with you."
jason, your naivety becomes you...
If you don't believe that Wall Stret tycoons own, manage and manipulate BOTH those industries, you are sadly mistaken. There's a very simple proof of it, just watch TV for an hour, and you don't see some sort of male enhancement or blood-thinner or depression medicine advertised with Madison Avenue aplomb (meaning lying sacks of cow manure who will tell you anything to sell you their latest pharmie, which was illegal in times past) you must be watching PBS.
ANYONE who does not accept that there is a REAL Wall Street link between these corporate institutions (and most other corporate institutions) is simply in denial, and the same co-conspirators you claim don;t exist consider you more of a dupe than those of us wearing our tin-foil deerstalkers.
But keep in mind, in the bowels of that enormous moneyed conspiracy, that the conspiracy of GREED needs no meeting place, and as long as those hungry demons continue to plague the well-fed, they will never find satisfaction no matter how many billions they claim.
February 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I work in entertainment. My graduate education is in producing for television and film. We are certainly not in collusion with Wall Street, no matter how much our individual interests may intersect.
You point to paid advertising as some sort of conspiracy? Hardly. The reason there are so many penis pill ads is because the pharma companies are the only ones who can afford the air time anymore. So, the ad sales staff across dozens of networks are now in collusion as well?
The individual pursuit of self interest doesn't equal collusion. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Your theory doesn't pass a basic sanity check, let alone a nice long smell test.
You call me naive. I call you paranoid. There. Now we can be friends again.
February 4, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I work in entertainment."
Me too. I do videos. I also spent 20 years, off and on, in a radio station. I grew up in a priont shop. And now I'm an aging old geek. Started on the Commodore 64.
And I also used to sell advertising.
JEM, you aren't a billionaire media mogul, you are rank and file. So you really aren't privy to their daily conspiracies.
But it is nice to know the young rank and file in Media still believe they are independent; they had us old timers fooled for years, too.
February 4, 2009 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are seriously paranoid and in need of therapy. Maybe TheraP can help.
Offer a single shred of proof of this vast conspiracy of "billionaire media moguls" who are colluding with hundred of other industries to - do what exactly? Rule the world? Aren't they already billionaires?
Couldn't it be they are just looking out for number one, themselves, and we designed a system that lets them get away with it? Just a single network has so many complexities and so many moving parts that such a thing is impossible to pull off.
You were talking about Occam's Razor on another thread. You do realize that some vast conspiracy amongst multiple industries for unknown, though evil, purposes is a direct contradiction to the theory.
February 5, 2009 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is a really, really good point.
February 4, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Selective capitalism is a big part of the problem. these guys are monopolists in free-enterprise clothing.
The existence of "no-bid contracts" should have been a clue. Any time an industry uses political power to make favorable laws, and does not abide by the laws of competitive marketing (like supply, demand, and offering a better product at a cheaper price) they can't claim to be capitalist.
When was the last time you bought gas ANYWHERE at 20% off?
February 4, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Single payer isn't the only solution that isn't employer based. It might be something that we get through by way of subterfuge - meaning we start a national plan that appears "private" in look and feel, but is open to everyone and has very strict regulations.
Problem with Medicare for All, at least as it stands now, is that Medicare isn't a program that was designed to scale that way. It doesn't cover 100% of the costs of health care right now. It has many structural issues that could kill it in the womb.
What if we instead had a system that was more like Germany's with competing non-profit health insurance companies?
Take all the profit out of providing that service by way of smart and common sense regulations and we could reach a solution that is as sustainable and robust as single payer, which is still an unproven theory for an economy the size of ours with such a widely distributed health care distribution system.
I guess my main point is that talking points won't solve this and "single payer" has become as much a talking point for the left that opposition to single payer has become on the right.
February 4, 2009 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jason. Maybe it's a talking point for some, but I'm not just regurgitating words here. I've done quite a bit of research and put quite a bit of thought into this.
Anytime we look at European (or other) models, we run into some difficulties. Not only is our population substantially higher than most of the models most frequently cited, but we obviously are different in mentality (if that makes sense.)
Also, I don't propose just opening up Medicare to everyone. Major structural and policy changes need to be implemented if it's going to work. And no, single payer isn't the only plan that doesn't work off employment - but I do think it's the best. For example, the "markets-based" idea favored by many conservatives takes it out, wanting everyone to buy private insurance and let the market forces take action. But I don't see how that solves many of the problems inherent in the current system.
In Germany, insurance is still linked to employment: the Krankenkasse, the more common option in Germany, works this way: employers and employees split the cost of the premium, both paying 8% of the worker's gross income to sickness funds. So, the amount you pay is linked to your income. So, if you make 74,999, the employee will be paying 6,000/yr and so will the employer. If you make over 75,000, you can purchase private insurance, and costs are determine by health/number of dependents and so on, rather than by income, and employers make matching contributions here as well. Once you retire, you have to pay the full cost yourself. And, once you enter this option, you cannot reenroll in the public option.
February 5, 2009 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I should also add that I am not unrealistic about this, and expect we will likely have incremental change rather than a sweeping change to single payer. I want to make sure those changes are headed in the right direction.
That doesn't mean I'm not going to push for the ideal, however.
February 5, 2009 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think everyone should push for their ideal, but in this case, my ideal is what is effective and can get through Congress.
I also think pushing for a single payer solution (that may or may not even be the best one for our country and medical system) isn't likely to achieve my desired outcomes and may in fact be a distraction from the ultimate goal.
Different tactics to achieve the same long-term strategy - a substantive change to our broken health care system.
February 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You illustrate my point.
The solution may not actually be a "single payer" solution and trying to sell a particular solution before fully articulating and understanding the problems seems to be a losing proposition to me. It is also part and parcel to what has long been a progressive problem in failing to entice enough voters to their very sensible ideas.
Perhaps it is time to stop blaming the audience if the message is garbled?
Even calling the bill Medicare for All is more than enough to signal moderates that very little thought has gone into this thing. Kind of like trying to shove a trillion dollar spending bill through Congress in two months, just a few months after shoving a $700 billion package in the same amount of time that didn't work.
If something is a talking point for some, then it sounds like a talking point for everyone and does very little to facilitate the understanding needed to get these reforms passed, whatever semantic positioning is used. The German system wouldn't work here because 16% of income between employer and employee is obscene and would never pass muster here, but what I was trying to do was illustrate that other countries have hybrid solutions that are still under construction.
There is no Single-Payer-Fits-All solution.
Perhaps "conservatives" can be enticed to allow a market-based solution that isn't a for-profit entity? That certainly solves the problem and has been supported by "conservatives" for years if the 300 billion dollar non-profit sector in America is an indication. Many social needs are met by non-profits that conservatives wouldn't support government doing in a million years.
Perhaps they are right, because non-profits do ten times what the government does on a tenth of the budget.
February 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
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Spoken like . . .
. . . a true influence professional . . .
~OGD~
February 5, 2009 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spoke like a true partisan warrior.
February 5, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah on single payer. Let the individual buying whatever it is they want be the single payer for their purchase.
February 4, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interests me how so few of the big horses that've been imagined in an All-Star Cabinet, have now gone - Gore. Kerry. Richardson. Daschle. Edwards. Looking at the Cabinet now, striking how little POLITICAL weight they have, as individuals. If this is a Team of Rivals, it may be intellectually, but it's not looking like a big clash of political forces or constituencies. Other than perhaps one notable exception.
In ways, looks to me like the action's going to be in Obama & Rahm's work with the Economic Team, the Foreign Policy Team, and so on - and that Cabinet may not be much of a center of action at all.
Oh yeah. Glad Daschle's gone. I had to root for guys like this when they were the only hope of slowing/reversing Bush & co, but they weren't really what I'd consider first class - especially considering the crisis we're now in. Plus, there was always this problem.
February 4, 2009 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most of those big horses (Richardson, Daschle, Edwards) had to be put down.
Gore was never interested in returning to government.
I guess the only one I'm really surprised today not to see in the Cabinet is Kerry. My guess is that he was a likely #2 pick there behind HRC.
February 4, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
"had to be put down."
out to pasture would be more kind; and probably more likely.
I doubt any of them are "gone" forever from the political scene, even Edwards will resurface eventually in some form or another. Like most experienced politicians, all three names on this list learned long ago how to hold their breath underwater.
But I agree, although I see it rather more that there's a generational rite-of-passage underway here, and despite their relative age, these are the vestiges of the older generation being purged, fair or not, from the future leadership circles, whether by Karma, Fate or someone's unwritten design.
February 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Richardson gets undone by this pay-for-play investigation, he's finished.
Edwards? Deader the Julius Caesar. His wife is a bigger commodity than he is now. (Hmmm....Elizabeth Edwards at HHS?)
And how does Daschle get his groove back after this debacle?
February 4, 2009 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she were not ill, I'd nab her for the slot! On the other hand, were she not ill, she might not be such a perfect choice.
February 4, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know it looks like a generational thing but I look at it as a old/new politics. Many of my women friends were Obama supporters and we are of the older generation. I say if they can't learn a new song to sing time to leave the chorus.We made it very clear we wanted a new song. Dems in congress better get a hold of the new book or they will be coming home and it won't be to any virtual congress thing - they be munching the grass too!
February 4, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are there any non-politicians with political weight?
February 4, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Must.. stop... self... from... saying... Oprah.
Donno. There's Gore (ex-pol)... and Hawkeye Pierce... and see? Bit of a shortage here. Culturally, there seem to be few non-elected figures SEEN as having constituencies, large scale support for their ideas, etc. The leaders of non-profits, unionists, independent agencies, thinkers/writers haven't seemed able (or weren't permitted) to garner the sort of support that might make them contenders. They're all regarded as "unknowns" now. e.g. Global warming has been a large-scale movement for 20+ years, but 99% of the citizens couldn't name anyone beyond Gore. And who are our non-elected health care movement or intellectual leaders? Urrrrm. Dr Phil? Sanja Gupta?
Over the last 20 years, the world of universe of well-known non-elected voices seemed to get reduced to celebrities and CEO's. Whoops. Just celebs now.
Oprah? ;-)
February 4, 2009 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I said "name-drop Des" and all will be otay. Are you discounting the wisdom of Dr. Des & Dr. Funkenstein? Come up to my lab, see what's on the slab. And it ain't wearin' a dighty either.
February 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, great idea... place the health of America in the hands of Dr Demento. Though the Cabinet meetings would be worth their weight in Youtube videos, the name Mengistu somehow springs to mind....
Nonetheless, as a believer in developing grassroots leadership candidates, I'd suggest Economides (who originally asked the question) and myself vote on the idea. Obviously, we'll need a consensus for such an important position.
I vote no. Economides? ;-)
There are genies you're just better off leaving IN the bottle. Universal health care? Not worth the risk....
February 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I talked to the brilliant economist Professor Griff, and he recommends Dr. Dre. I'm down with that, as long as Snoop's on my team.
February 4, 2009 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to see Dean. Not would he do a great job, but I think the Cabinet could really use his balance.
February 4, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh hey ... that should be "Not only would he".
February 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero, what a fab idea! :)
I love HD [that's Howard Dean to the world, not the other...] and he would be good for us and the HHS.
February 4, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very insightful comments, all. The name bubbling to the top for me is Sebelius rather than Dean after reading this discussion.
If Rahm is gonna throw little hissy fits because he isn't that gung ho on Dean, nothing is ever gonna accomplished.
IMHO
February 4, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not that I don't like Sebelius - in fact, I still say she'd have been an excellent VP nominee. And she'd do well at HHS.
However, I really want her to run for Brownback's Senate seat. Getting a Dem senator in Kansas would be HUGE.
February 4, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, Yes, and Yes!!!
Although there's no guarantee she could beat Moran, who will beat Tiahrt in the primary by a landslide, she's earned the respect of so many Kansans who consider themselves smart enough to look past partisan politics that she might be unstoppable.
There's been talk that her Lietenant Governor Mark Parkinson might reverse his decision not to run for the Governor's chair against Brownback if he's had a turn in the seat for a couple years. Appointing Sebelius to the cabinet would make that happen.
As a recent changeling from Republican to Democrat, mostly due to his frustration with the wingnuts and their "divine design" school board, Parkinson has garnered more ire from Republicans than he has loyalty from Democrats, because he is still considered something of a conservative in most quarters. So I would assume he doesn't believe he has a chance against a party icon like Brownback.
See, this story has so many angles to it, not the least of which is that Brownback as Governor guarantees the dirty coal-fired plants will be spewing ash and gas into the clean Kansas air within a year of Brownback's election. And while we breathe the dust in the wind (so THAT"s what it meant...) all the electricity will be sold to Denver.
I have to help raise my grandchildren in that mess; it already smells like hog and cattle manure in some counties, now it's going to be carcinogenic, too.
Don't you just love the wonderful American wealthy class? Benefactors one and all.
Betcha none of them live anywhere close to those hog lots, or those coal-fired plants.
February 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand your desire to keep Sebelius in Kansas.
She first caught my attention in the spring of last year.
http://www.longestwalk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=693&Itemid=121
She was one of the few state officials in the entire country that acknowledged the 2008 Longest Walk by Native Americans and other indigenous people and the respectful recognition she gave them put her on my radar.
I like her. For HHS, Guv, or Congress. I think she's one of the good guys so where ever she ends up will get a boost.
February 4, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
She was a few years behind me in college. Some of my classmates remember her.
February 4, 2009 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Des, but we seriously do not need another rich white guy in the Cabinet! I nominate MacArthur fellow Dr. Atul Gawande. If you want health care reform, Dean cannot pull it off.
Gawande's got plenty going for him.
February 4, 2009 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't realize we'd hit race/class quotas. Glad to have Dr. Gawande if he can pull it off. I know Dean has the Right Stuff, unlike some of the other cabinet choices, and I think Universal Health Care is an important enough goal to actually achieve, though I'm totally skeptical.
February 4, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Des, we've reached the quota for rich white guys. Someone else's turn, sorry.
But Dean has the Right Stuff? He may be pro-universal health care, but this is not the right job for his talents. He's better as a grassroots activist, not as a bureaucrat. He has no bedside manner when it comes to negotiating behind the scenes nor grace when speaking in the public arena.
Obama wants zero drama, and I'd be surprised if he chose Dean after the way Dean handled the Democratic primary calendar and the Florida and Michigan delegates.
February 4, 2009 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, have you looked at Rahm Emmanuel? Enforcer-in-Chief? Has all the bedside manner of an intern doing an autopsy.
February 4, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what? Chief of Staff doesn't involve confirmation hearings.
February 4, 2009 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dean would have no problem getting confirmed. It's whether he can push the health agenda.
February 5, 2009 5:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your comments don't square with the Dr. Dean's record.
Michigan and Florida knew what the rules were, broke them, and then were upset about the deserved consequences they received. Dean was tasked with fixing their mess. Obama and Clinton followed Dean's rules, and so did the other candidates. Why couldn't Michigan and Florida fall in line when all the other states did the right thing?
Dean's bureaucratic efforts in Vermont include balancing budget after budget even though he was not required to do so by Vermont's constitution, and his efforts to expand health coverage in Vermont have resulted in a virtually universal health insurance system, with emphases for covering children and pregnant women. I count among his bureaucratic successes his multiple re-elections to the governorship of Vermont, his assumption to the chairmanship of the DNC, the 50 State Strategy, increased emphasis on small donors, and helping to win back the House, the Senate, and the White House. I see a lot of valuable political acumen here that others often miss.
And the Dean scream was really just a loud noise.
February 4, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever you think about FL and MI doesn't negate Dean's ham-handed bungling of the PR of it.
I'm not referring to the "Dean Scream," although the press will certainly bring it up again. The press hates Dean. I'm referring to Dean's characteristic New-York-born telling-it-like-it-is manner. I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with that, I'm saying it rubs people the wrong way. I'm saying this is not the right job for Dean in Obama's walking-on-eggshells administration. Take Joe Biden: Obama has already yanked Joe's short leash over the John Roberts joke.
But personality traits aside, Dean is hardly Obama's It-boy. Obama is simply not looking for a lefty radical to fill the position.
February 4, 2009 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting guy, Gasket. Didn't much love his theory of "path dependence," but then... his ideas on what we can get starting from where we are, were at least interesting. This NYT piece on the Obama plan (from 2007) is also useful, where he says Single Payer is not doable, and lays out how other methods might get us there - and adds, "I would take almost any system over the one we now have."
I'm a fan of single payer, but in my mind, I keep a 20% door open for these proposals that have multiple working parts. The key thing is how the parts are designed & managed, and then, as they unfold - which he hints at - the dynamics of change present opportunities to go further.
No idea how he'd be as a manager, or in a political fight though.
February 4, 2009 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am all for Howard Dean. I have no idea if he would be in favor of universal single payer, but since Obama isn't even in favor of it, I don't have much hope that anyone he would choose would be either.
To the notion that Rahm and Howard don't like each other, I have to say, "WHAT KIND OF SHITTTY EXCUSE IS THAT?" Considering the loser that just got in for Commerce Sec'y, and also making nice with Lieberman after all the toxic stuff he did! If Obama can bury the hatchet, Rahm and his brother, Zeke, can just get over themselves. (Although I really wish that he had said to Gregg: "If the only way you will accept this promotion to the level of Cabinet Secretary is to tell ME that you have to be replaced by a republican, then I shall look elsewhere." -- how DARE that bastard set the terms for his own appointment?!)
I am getting less and less patient with this whole process. Barack Obama needs to have a meeting and re-look at what is going on. The republicans are taking over the MOJO here, and he needs to assert himself, or he will lose the stimulus, health care reform, and everything else. He needs to reinvigorate his crew, and get back on a positive footing. It is up to him. "I screwed up." isn't enough. He needs to get tough.
I even saw on Huffpo that someone suggested that Newt Gingrich should be the new HHS Secretary! Now, that is crazy hubris, but considering other stuff I am not relaxing until I know for a fact that Newt is out. That is an example of how confident the republicans are, though. They complain no matter what. Give them something to complain about!
1. Rahm needs to be put in his place -- he is not the prez, and his "cute" (read obnoxious) little habit of swearing at people, and doing a "nose thumbing" at the Inauguration managed to show his lack of class. He needs to come down a peg or two (or four)!
2. Barack Obama needs to pay a little attention to those of us who went door-to-door, made phone calls, and otherwise went to bat for him, rather than just placating middle-leaning republicans. We CARE about health care, and we care about single-payer. At LEAST consider it -- if you get that built into our society, Democrats will never lose another election. EVERYONE wants decent health-care, and spending a percentage of our health-care dollars on advertisement and bureaucracy, and profits is simply a waste.
3. It is time for a speech to the American Public in which he explains how we got here, what is at stake, and why he is advocating the stimulus as it stands. A little history of what has been spent in Iraq wouldn't hurt. But it is time to take the bully pulpit away from the simple-minded sound-bite people.
OK, I kinda went far beyond the original post, but it is all tied together. If he loses his direction, nothing will get done. Yes, it's only been 2 weeks, but the trend is heading the wrong direction.
February 4, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it's funny, once upon a time (June?) people were aghast that someone might put conditions on the Democratic nominee and his decisions. Once again, IOKIYAR?
February 4, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post!!! I agree on all points.
February 4, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice post. I also would love to see Dean at HHS, I think he's been great all along. It certainly seems as if Obama doesn't favor him. I don't know why, maybe there's something there we don't know about, but my fear is that Obama doesn't like him because he's more of a fire-breather than a nice guy. Seems to me that if there's room for Republicans in this administration there ought to be room for at least one Democrat who tells it like it is.
February 4, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I rec'd this blog even though I don't see why Dean is such a great candidate for the position. I get that he resonates well with lots of the grass roots in the Demo Party. So what if he has an MD?
What are Dean's basic qualifications for the job itself?
Is there no other job in the Administration which he'd be better at?
February 4, 2009 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Well . . .
For those who wish to see the single-player plan see the light-of-day, better think twice if you support Dr. Dean.
February 4, 2009 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link.
February 5, 2009 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tammy Baldwin. I think I like her.
February 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
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You're welcome . . . Hillarym99
Thanks for noticing my comment. It seems most others in this thread are off chasing personalities in lieu of policies.
Now when it comes to who the person is that really has the background of the entire picture ... try this person in this video linked below. Jeanne Lambrew, Deputy Director White House Office of Health Reform. Listen to her closely because she will be the point person and the one that whoever is chosen at HHS will be going to.
Take the time, when it's quiet time and listen to the entire presentation. This woman really knows her stuff! She is actually the person that was behind Daschle's knowledge base on health issues.
And she's not going anywhere.
~OGD~
February 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me see if I hear what you're saying:
Advocates of one version of universal single-payer government health insurance can't have *EVERYTHING* each of them wants (individually), therefore they oppose Dr. Howard Dean because he doesn't support all of their wants.
The great is the enemy of the perfect?
Better someone with no national clout who calls for a panacea that will never be enacted, than the man who can best kick ass in Congress and achieve universal health care?
Unbelievable.
Dr. Dean is the person who in all likelihood will do a better job than anyone else alive in taking on the "Harry and Louise" special interest groups who have a financial stake in the outcome.
February 5, 2009 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the hell didn't you link to the Facebook group!
February 4, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
First, I started the speculation. I think it's entirely fair, for reasons laid out below. So, if there's a problem with it, I'm right here.
The speculation exists because there is no obvious reason why Howard Dean would be completely frozen out of the Adminiatration. No known grudge between Obama and Dean exists, so you look for the people closest to both. Emanuel is a rather obvious choice.
Reports on strained relations between Dean and Emanuel were so frequent, and frankly so obvious, that I didn't bother to cite. It's generally taken as an understood fact. However, here's an example from someone you should know well, being near Chicago and all.
You'll take notice of the date, of course, which fits directly with this comment, which was linked upthread.
The spending issue ties directly back to Dean and Emanuel's competing views on how to grow Dem numbers. The fact is, Emanuel tried to pressure Dean on the remaining money. Dean rejected him, and Emanuel, as far as I am aware, is still angry about it. I understand where Rahm was coming from in wanting to target races, but Dean wanted to specifically go after more states and more races, and felt he needed the money to do that. The money was the DNC's, NOT the DCCC's. It wasn't up to Emanuel. Dean did what he thought was best. Should've been the end of the story.
And you're not the only one who did campaign work. I didn't sign on to DFA, but I busted my ass for the DNC and the state party the last three cycles. I say that only to make the fairly obvious point that various people have various campaign issues on the local and district levels, but that's not necessarily indicative of the organization on the national level.
Finally, you throw around "you guys" pretty cavalierly. I, for one, never said you should "hate" Emanuel. Far from it. But it is pretty fair, given Rahm's well-earned reputation, to speculate on his involvement in the Dean freezeout.
February 4, 2009 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all Lynn Sweet is a hack from Conrad Black's Sun Times. Hardly an impeccable source. Last I heard she was spreading the now discredited rumor Emanuel had more than 20 conversations with Blago about Obama's senate seat.
But let's for the moment take her reporting here at face value. It's July 2006, Rahm is having phenomenal success browbeating fatcat donors to pony up to the DCCC. Dem candidates nobody thought had a realistic chance in February are neck and neck in the polls. Iraq is raging out of control, even the media is calling it a civil war. Republicans themselves are wringing their hands and mumbling Rumsfeld ought to go. New Orleans is still a ghosttown. Less than a month after the Labor Day anniversary of that disaster Mark Foley explodes in GOP faces. Denny Hastert gives an interview with a cemetery appropriately in the background while he tries desperately to deny his cover up of Foley's scandal. The head of the NRCC is in danger of losing his own seat. He and Hastert are pointing fingers at each other. Emanuel has gone from 1 tier to 2, 3 and now 4 levels of candidates who are viable and with enough funding he can realistically see a landslide of unprecedented proportion. And still we have a "perpetual" negotiation with the DNC because Dean wants to stick to his plan in state houses and governorships from the ground up where there aren't such scandals, where there isn't a complete implosion of the Republican party.
I understand what Dean was trying to do but there's a time and place for everything. And when an opportunity like we had in 2006 presents itself you grab that rope and pull with all the strength you can muster. You may only have one chance at it.
Hindsight is all well and good. Things have worked out for everybody. But nobody knew the outcome at the time. Repubs put every last dime they had into their races and then borrowed more and put that in too.
And again you've shown me nothing that A. proves Dean was right back then or B. that Emanuel holds some grudge against Dean and C. he's doing anything to keep Dean from getting a job in the Obama Administration or anywhere else.
February 5, 2009 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think your take on things is a little romantic towards Emmanuel - I think he was playing it very safe, not trying to wedge from Tier 1 through Tier 4 contests. And not wanting to put into play any other areas because "the Republicans are too strong". Democrats picked up some of those lost causes by actually challenging them, which wouldn't have happened with Rahm. Rahm didn't even want to mention the Iraq War as a campaign issue. Fly under the radar, business as usual. Perhaps I'm wrong, point me to some alternative narratives. The folks at MyDD, OpenLeft, etc. were certainly trying to get some alternative candidates elected at the time and none too happy with Rahm's performance.
February 5, 2009 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think OpenLeft split off from MyDD until after the 2006 election Des but that's a minor detail.
Emanuel had one criteria when he was tasked with recruiting candidates early in 2005: can you raise your own money? He didn't have a lot of options back then. There weren't many willing challengers in a lot of places and a lot of those netroot darlings Kos, Bowers and Stoller were pushing looked to be novices with no cash or grassroots support (as opposed to netroots) on suicide runs. Nobody at the time knew we'd have a huge victory pushing back Bush on privatizing Social Security while the Republicans led by DeLay handed us another tremendous one with their crazy Schaivo intervention. Those twin gifts in the spring and early summer 2005 had a profound affect on middle age and older voters who were starting to suffer pangs of financial insecurity and concluding the ownership society was a scam. Many of us face hard decisions about our parents mortality, seniors already had, and the last thing we wanted was Bill Frist, Tom Delay and a bunch of religious lunatics butting in to tell us it's murder to pull the plug on mom's resperater.
Iraq, Katrina, Halliburton's spectacular graft, Abramoff, Duke Cunningham and any number of other examples Republican misgovernance changed the political landscape in 2005 and 2006 completely.
If you want to know why Bowers and Stoller hate Emanuel it all boils down to Cegelis/Duckworth in IL-06. Christine Cegelis ran against Henry Hyde in 2004. She raised all of about $150,000 against the decrepit Hyde's $800,000. She made Howard Dean's list but underperformed Kerry 47% to 44%
in her district, not much better than her sacrificial lamb predecessor in 2000 who got 41% even though Hyde was mostly wheelchair bound by 2004 and hardly campaigned. After 2004 she never stopped campaigning. In June 2005 she went to DC to meet with Rahm and demanded he endorse her and fund her campaign. He demurred. I don't know if he knew it at the time but Durbin was actively recruiting Tammy Duckworth to run. She was wounded in November 2004 and Durbin found her at Walter Reed and invited her to sit in his box at the SOTU address in January. He was so impressed with her he had her testify twice to congress about Vet's healthcare. She wouldn't commit to the race unless she got promises from Durbin to get her the support she needed to win. She also had months of grueling rehab left and couldn't declare until she was released from active military service. In the meantime Cegelis came back from DC and wrote an email to her supporters saying Emanuel was secretly sabotaging her campaign which was laughable. There wasn't any secret. In August 2005 Lindy Scott a anti-choice, anti-war professor at Wheaton College, Billy Graham's school, where Denny Hastert and Bob Woodward graduated from entered the race. Republicans cleared their field for state senator Peter Roskam, their wingnut golden boy who had lost against Judy Biggert for an open primary in IL-13 in 1998.
Duckworth entered the race shortly before the filing deadline in December right after she was released from Walter Reed and active service. Durbin made good on his promise. In three short months Tammy raised $750,000 by primary day 3/21. $250,000 each from Hillary and Kerry and $250,000 on her own. Obama made a teevee commercial for her. She was a media star on 60 Minutes and any other number of other teevee shows before January was over. Roskam, unopposed, nonetheless had every piece of downballot candidates lit stuffed in his bags in DuPage County (85% of the district) and had a million in the bank by 3/21 in part thanks to a $500 a plate fundraiser DeLay held for him in DC in September 2005. Cegelis, even though she ran nonstop after she lost in 2004 raised all of $363,000 by the time she closed out her books in June 2006.
Duckworth put together a ground campaign that outshone her competitors and won the primary 44/41/16. I volunteered for her campaign the final two weeks after moving back to IL in early March. Despite her claims of huge volunteer base I never saw one Cegelis canvasser and only one piece of her lit stuck in a door that whole time.
What she did have is a small but vocal set of supporters in the blogosphere who never forgave Rahm, ripped Duckworth through out the 2006 campaign but from what I've seen have never done much to actually help anyone get elected. Not the ones from around here anyway. You can see them everytime Bowers or Stoller go trolling for comments by writing about their favorite whipping boy Emanuel.
February 5, 2009 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cegelis/Duckworth may have been the Demos biggest mistakes of 2006. With the kind of money D. got, C. could well have won. But all I know here is from _The Thumpin'_.
February 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Utter bullshit eds. That's the standard line from Stollers and others who don't live here and have no clue. Cegelis never had a chance. She couldn't even win the primary. Oh, she was the most progressive candidate by far, to the point of lecturing to suburban voters interested in how they were gonna be able send their kids to college about cluster bombs. If it hadn't been for the conservative Scott taking votes away from Duckworth Cegelis would have lost the primary in a landslide. And if she'd had the field all to herself and magically came up with the $4.3 million Tammy raised and the $7 million the DCCC put in she would have been pummeled by Roskam who got $7 million from the NRCC and raised $3.2 of his own. Cegelis never ran a competent campaign and frankly she wasn't a very effective candidate herself. It showed in her lack of fundraising, her lack of organization and ultimately in the elections she lost.
February 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's an interesting article on that primary campaign which admits Cegelis mistakes and probably highlights one thing - the reason the OpenLeft folks like Cegelis is because they like her politics. Rahm doesn't seem to care as long as they have a (D) by their name, which doesn't help if they vote and respond (R).
http://www.truthout.org/article/william-rivers-pitt-the-mouse-that-roared
February 5, 2009 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pitt looks like another guy from out of town who took a press release and transcribed it. It doesn't take much research and it didn't then to know Durbin recruited Duckworth not Rahm. That nonsense about about Cegelis winning in DuPage and losing in Cook is just that, nonsense. I worked southern DuPage and Cegelis had virtually no presence there. So is the crap about Scott taking votes from Cegelis. Ya never heard the kind of vitriol about Scott that you heard about Duckworth from Cegelis fans. Wonder why that is? Cegelis staked out the PDA, progressive ground very hard leaving the middle to Duckworth and the conservative to Scott who thought he could win on a "pro-life" platform. Unfortunately PDA here is PDI and a the most vocal of them are Kucinich supporters.
Christine didn't build squat out here and her supporters mostly stayed home or nursed their grudges on the internet in 2006. I know the people who have been building the party in DuPage for decades and Christine's people just blew them off.
Duckworth didn't blanket the airwaves with commercials in the primary, she would have blown her warchest if she had and she didn't need to. Like I said she was a media star, she could get on teevee anytime she wanted. I saw the Obama primary ad exactly once.
And here's something else. Duckworth fired her campaign manager after the primary and hired Jon Carson. Don't know what became of Spindal after 2006 but you may have noticed a few emails in your inbox from Carson if you were on Obama's mailing list. He was Obama's nat'l field manager in '08. Nice work if you can get it and you only get it if you earn it.
February 5, 2009 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, another thread from the Sun Times, who presumably are local to Chicago:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/03/6th_cd_open_line_will_be_posti.html
Not everyone was as unhappy with Cegelis' efforts as you are. But I'm sure with Rahm and Durbin backing her opponent things were tough. Anyway, I'm not from there, but from statements and actions by Rahm I'm not his biggest supporter, and it has nothing to do with Duckworth.
February 6, 2009 5:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another one quoting Sweet that points to Rahm's litmus test, "raise more money". Well, good candidates may not be good fundraisers, so maybe an intelligent party can help with fundraising for people who'd be good Democrats. Otherwise we end up with DINOs who know how to tap into donors - brilliant, just the change we want. It was funny how many people tapped into this wisdom once Obama had passed Clinton in dollars raised - he must be the better candidate because he has more cash on hand. Kind of thinking that led to the mortgage crisis.
http://damnliberals.blogspot.com/2005/08/dccc-to-cegelis-raise-money.html
February 6, 2009 5:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lessee, Eric Herman of the Sun-Times thought Rahm recruited Duckworth - are all these people misinformed?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2504837
Duckworth raised quite a lot of money in New York (only 51% from Illinois) - was that because of her appeal or because she had Rahm, Durbin, Axelrod, Obama and ultimately Spitz