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Rising Below Party Lines?
One of the sad stories of the last 2 years has been how Blue Dog Democrats have sabotaged the Democratic "majority" by voting along with Bush most of the time and acquiescing to unreasonable Republican demands. What's worse, is it damages the Democratic brand, bogging us down with defeats that were Republican inspired and being the fall guys for Republican election propaganda.
Their party ended Tuesday, and not just because of a change in President. As Chris Bowers points out, Blue Dogs stayed even while various real progressive groups made gains. In a heavily Democratic House, they've just pushed themselves into irrelevance. No great love lost, think of them as Lieberman's love children in the lower house, hopefully having more time to spend with their families.
But instead of everyone thinking so admirably about "rising above party lines", perhaps we can think of it as sinking or slinking below the lines, below obligation, betraying a contract. I support Democrats to act like Democrats, and while that may have some shades of divergent meaning, it's not as Claire McCaskill seems to think, that Bi-partisanship 'R Us. I can split my ticket if I want to - I don't expect the Party to do it for me. That doesn't mean riding roughshod over the opposition, but it also doesn't mean simply splitting the difference Dutch Treat. Quite frankly, we've taken a lot of shit over the last 8 years, and we're not just going to gladly toss back lots of thanks and free bennies and consolation prizes. In short, we should govern as Democrats in a respectable, responsible fashion for the conditions at hand. Where that means reaching across the aisle and engaging cooperation, fine. Where it means simply respectfully informing of intentions without too significant opposition input, fine as well.
Matt Stoller at OpenLeft is also hoping for the more accomodating, less abrasive Van Hollen as Rahm's replacement at DCCC. I'm a bit worried about Emmanuel - he was a bit to suited to the prevailing wisdom of the old politics and going along with the views of the punditocracy in Washington, along with ruffling a few feathers. (I don't mind ruffling feathers for the right reason, but Emmanuel for one wasn't a strong supporter of the 50-state strategy). But hopefully this is the right place for Emmanuel and Van Hollen.
On the Senate, Georgia goes into runoff (uphill, but now that they know what the stakes are?), Merkley takes Oregon, and Minnesota is bunkered down into recount with lots of spoiled votes. I take it that Stevens barely stands in Alaska - WTF? - and will be replacedby some GOP schmuck by Sarah Palin.
I'm chuckling over the anecdotes that are coming out now that the race is finished - Sarah didn't know who was in NAFTA (3 whole countries, that's tough), that Africa wasn't a country, that she went even crazier on clothes than reported - something like the Beverly Hillbillies and Rodeo Drive/Nieman Marcus? I've been reluctant to criticize on clothes because of the sexist discrepancies on what's required for a woman vs. a man, but when your clothing expenses start hitting the $10,000/day mark for a 2-month campaign, perhaps this really is some kind of psychological problem. I'm afraid (*not*) that she's hit the Dan Quayle level of parody without managing to actually win the job. (But did manage to declare war against Iran in the process - you go, girl). She may be around to rally the base in 4 years, but that would mean an increasingly irrelevant base if true.
Update: I should be much more careful buying the pile-on on Palin. I've seen way too many stories like this about different candidates Rep and Dem that were nonsense at base, and especially once the campaign ends, everyone wants to show how witty and top-notch they were and how it was the *other* people that screwed up. I still think she's become a bit of a larf, but then I'm biased, and over 4 years she may manage to redeem herself quite a bit. For all the complaints about her, McCain simply sounded old and winded, superficial and uninteresting every time I listed to him over the last 6 months or so, and what can she do to spruce *that* up? He chose her, she didn't choose him, and considering where she came from she did a pretty bang-up job. If you can get past that *you* are not her audience.
Their party ended Tuesday, and not just because of a change in President. As Chris Bowers points out, Blue Dogs stayed even while various real progressive groups made gains. In a heavily Democratic House, they've just pushed themselves into irrelevance. No great love lost, think of them as Lieberman's love children in the lower house, hopefully having more time to spend with their families.
But instead of everyone thinking so admirably about "rising above party lines", perhaps we can think of it as sinking or slinking below the lines, below obligation, betraying a contract. I support Democrats to act like Democrats, and while that may have some shades of divergent meaning, it's not as Claire McCaskill seems to think, that Bi-partisanship 'R Us. I can split my ticket if I want to - I don't expect the Party to do it for me. That doesn't mean riding roughshod over the opposition, but it also doesn't mean simply splitting the difference Dutch Treat. Quite frankly, we've taken a lot of shit over the last 8 years, and we're not just going to gladly toss back lots of thanks and free bennies and consolation prizes. In short, we should govern as Democrats in a respectable, responsible fashion for the conditions at hand. Where that means reaching across the aisle and engaging cooperation, fine. Where it means simply respectfully informing of intentions without too significant opposition input, fine as well.
Matt Stoller at OpenLeft is also hoping for the more accomodating, less abrasive Van Hollen as Rahm's replacement at DCCC. I'm a bit worried about Emmanuel - he was a bit to suited to the prevailing wisdom of the old politics and going along with the views of the punditocracy in Washington, along with ruffling a few feathers. (I don't mind ruffling feathers for the right reason, but Emmanuel for one wasn't a strong supporter of the 50-state strategy). But hopefully this is the right place for Emmanuel and Van Hollen.
On the Senate, Georgia goes into runoff (uphill, but now that they know what the stakes are?), Merkley takes Oregon, and Minnesota is bunkered down into recount with lots of spoiled votes. I take it that Stevens barely stands in Alaska - WTF? - and will be replaced
Update: I should be much more careful buying the pile-on on Palin. I've seen way too many stories like this about different candidates Rep and Dem that were nonsense at base, and especially once the campaign ends, everyone wants to show how witty and top-notch they were and how it was the *other* people that screwed up. I still think she's become a bit of a larf, but then I'm biased, and over 4 years she may manage to redeem herself quite a bit. For all the complaints about her, McCain simply sounded old and winded, superficial and uninteresting every time I listed to him over the last 6 months or so, and what can she do to spruce *that* up? He chose her, she didn't choose him, and considering where she came from she did a pretty bang-up job. If you can get past that *you* are not her audience.
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I can't help but love the juicy throwing Palin under the bus that's happening now. Personally, I can't think of a better person for it to happen to. For her to have the audacity to accept the position in the first place...well.
What's up with the dislike of McCaskill, Des? I don't know much about her.
Also, I heard that in Georgia, 3% of the vote went to the independent candidate, which I think was the margin between the Democrat and Republican. But then again, I don't know what the usual turnout is for runoffs. I wonder if Obama will use his volunteers down there for the Dem.
November 6, 2008 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Simply McCaskill's dumb comments on Fox. It's that same kind of awful luke-warm banter that gave us "impeachment is off the table", "we have to fund the war so we show we support the troops", and a whole lot of cave-in positions sponsored by Reid and Pelosi on down. OpenLeft just happened to catch her on Fox on Nov. 3 and the timing was rather bizarre. 2 minutes to go, game looks in the bag, and you head over to the other team's bench and say, "don't worry, we'll give you back half the points when the game's over". Ugggh.
November 6, 2008 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure Obama will help out in Georgia. I don't know which way that 3% will move, but I think more Democrat will see the importance of their vote for the runoff (as will Republicans), so it will change the dynamics. The biggest issue I would think is motivating the black population without a black candidate that drove everyone to the polls. The dynamics and numbers of the runoff will be very very different.
November 6, 2008 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you talking about the bit on putting Republicans in the Cabinet?
November 6, 2008 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ayup:
FOX: If [Obama] wins tonight, what do you expect to happen Wednesday Thursday Friday from a President-elect Obama?
MCCASKILL: He will surprise America how quickly he will try to reach out to the millions of people who are voting for John McCain today - and the milions of people who have questions about his leadership. He'll want to reassure them, and he'll want to find Republicans to work with him in his cabinet.
FOX: You don't predict it's going to be "we have a mandate, were going to govern from the left" you think its going to be more of a bipartisan lets-sort of heal and bring everbody together?
MCCASKILL: He will pleasantly surprise everyone who votes for John McCain today.
November 6, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ayup:
FOX: If [Obama] wins tonight, what do you expect to happen Wednesday Thursday Friday from a President-elect Obama?
MCCASKILL: He will surprise America how quickly he will try to reach out to the millions of people who are voting for John McCain today - and the milions of people who have questions about his leadership. He'll want to reassure them, and he'll want to find Republicans to work with him in his cabinet.
FOX: You don't predict it's going to be "we have a mandate, were going to govern from the left" you think its going to be more of a bipartisan lets-sort of heal and bring everbody together?
MCCASKILL: He will pleasantly surprise everyone who votes for John McCain today.
November 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
But more from people besides McClasky.
Here's Pelosi and Reid:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dems-lower-expectations-2008-11-05.html
"Not a mandate for any hope or ideology", Harry says. Well thanks for putting it so bluntly, you ass. I know who'll be leading us to mediocrity land.
November 6, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, well I don't find McCaskill's comments all that surprising, to be frank. They've been talking about a bipartisan Cabinet for awhile.
But this does piss me off: "Democratic leaders are tamping down on expectations for rapid change..."
I don't have a problem with a bipartisan Cabinet. I do have a problem with not doing anything so as not to appear "ideological." For starters, put the bills Bush vetoed back on President Obama's desk. I hear Kennedy is working on a health care bill. So let's see that too. Guantanamo? Close it. And they'd best get to work crafting an economic stimulus package that includes job creation and infrastruction rebuilding. I'm not willing to wait 2 years for that.
November 6, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it'll all come down to the ground game. If only we knew someone who was good at the ground game…
(That's not to say that I think it'll be easy, but it is to say I think we have a real chance.)
November 6, 2008 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd only seen the Shepard Smith interview about Palin. I'm watching the O'Reilly one now and it's hilarious. He's still trying to defend her. After the NAFTA and Africa bit, he says, "Ok, well she's not a stupid woman, she could learn." (No. Sorry. If you can't figure out who's involved in NAFTA from the name! You're stupid.)
And he's also bending over backwards to say she was just under too much pressure. Right.
November 6, 2008 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
She thought NAFTA was something you put in your tank - she's an oil gal.
It doesn't matter what Palin's excuse was. No one's going to remember these little things in 2 years, and if she studies hard, she'll be a force to reckoned with, even if she's not presidential material. Hell, Bush's press secretary didn't know the difference between the Cuban missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs.
November 6, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Presidential candidate does not equal press secretary.
I actually agree with you about taking the Palin reports with a grain of salt, but I can't help but find them amusing. In any event, she'll never convince me. But a lot of this is, I think, about pulling the rug out from under her for 2012. People may not remember the details, but quite a lot of people think she's an idiot, and that general impression will be hard to budge. Particularly since she doesn't seem to have the inclination to learn what she doesn't know.
November 6, 2008 8:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would you say she hasn't the inclination to learn? She managed to work the boards to become governor, and even though it's a low population state, she seemed pretty clever in going about it? And considering the stupid superficial and plain reality-challenged things I'm used to hearing from Washington politicians and hangers-on, quite frankly she's within the noise range of normal. Go look back through Atrios' site and see how many people just went on TV week after week and said, "If we don't do something about Iraq in a) 3 months, b) 6 months, or c) 1 year, it's going to be veddy veddy serious." Or the Middle East - "if this situation doesn't get handeld quickly and carefully, the whole Middle East will explode". I've been waiting for the ka-boom since I was a kid, but still, the same panicked stupid line gets trotted out. That's our Washington reality. Somewhere a few do something, I'm sure....
November 6, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why? No, seriously, why? And please give a real-life legislative example where politicians from both parties didn't ride roughshod over the people. What's wrong with riding roughshod over the opposition? What have the Republicans done for the country lately? Looks to me the voters have spanked Republicans in every state. The people have spoken: In 2008, Republicans are pariahs. The light is green for Democrats, and green means Go! Now's the perfect time to run roughshod, while the Republicans are in shambles. If the Democratic majority doesn't act swiftly, the Republicans will ride roughshod over Obama. Do you think the Republicans will suffer this spectacularly humiliating defeat for long? Fuck Kumbaya. (And can we please move on from Sarah Palin? Jesus. Even Tina Fey is moving on.)
What's wrong with being the tough-love boss for a goddamn change?
November 6, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, try this - riding roughshod is only useful if it actually has a coherent strategy to it. If you want your opposition to feel gelded and are sure they will stay gelded, well fine, go ahead. However, also realize that you're pissing off real backers of the opposition - if you don't need them, fine, and if you can endure their increased vitriol, fine.
However, we've just seen what long-term damage and temporary gain such a strategy has, both with Gingrich and with Bush. If the appointment of judges weren't involved, and quite a handsome sum of money, you might even wonder why they did this. But in terms of long-term wielding power, well, their dream is over.
November 6, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The people have spoken. Green means Go. Dems need to listen.
November 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
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November 6, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
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November 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
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November 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
On some surprising and fruitful uses of testing, from some of your users who've been playing around with it while you were busy with other things.
November 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
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November 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
oops, trying again. (Talk about testing!)
November 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought it was intentional.
November 6, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm surprised the editor didn't strip the a tag on that.
November 6, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Three Recs? (Including mine). I'm trading in my Weimaraner puppy on a pitbull terrier if this keeps up.
Hey Al, you come testing on my thread and can't even cough up a measly Rec? Sheesh, people are stingy with their praise these days.
November 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I made no. 6. This post made me smile repeatedly. Lots of good stuff. But the sly wit is bestest. As always.
November 6, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rec'd for the stellar use of strikethrough! :)
BTW in hopes that bipartisanship and compromise does not equal capitulation, this set of divergent stories in the NYT today:
Obama Camp tamping down expectations:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06expect.html?hp
Democrats in Congress vowing a progressive agenda:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06cong.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
I'm hoping Congress will push Obama in a more liberal direction - compromise should not only be with the Republicans but also with the liberals.
November 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was trying to pull an MJ and delete all record of my abuse and idiocy. Damn eraser.
November 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink