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Obama: No Midnight Train to Georgia?


With 1 week left before the Martin-Chambliss runoff in Georgia and just a few percentage points separating the two candidates, you’d think there’d be some incentive for the President-elect to make the 2 1/2 hour flight to Atlanta to give Martin some support. You’d think the chance of an extra vote in the Senate would be worth a photo-op. My guess is Obama either doesn’t want to look partisan in time of a meltdown and/or doesn’t want to own a defeat if Martin can’t pull from behind. Or maybe for some reason he thinks he wouldn’t help.

I’m counting on a long 8 years feeling puzzled. Or maybe I’ll figure it out somewhere down the road. But no time soon.

Update: Oh, too late, Sarah Palin’s showing up on Monday to campaign, and it seems everyone thinks Obama has more important things to do than help Martin. Considering he doesn’t take office for 2 more months, I figured he could spare 8 hours for a quick appearance, but that’s just my inner child speaking. (Counting 2 hours flight time each way plus whatever slack and speaking time)


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I don't think it's the time as much as the possible political risk. He goes, puts in appearance and Martin looses. It just doesn't look good. Especially when you consider Martin was/is a long shot win in the first place.

And I really don't think Palin showing up in Georgia is the type of motivator I'd want Obama to respond to. It signals she has more weight than she rightfully deserves.

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Yeah, we don't want to take a chance on a long-shot Democrat winning. Just ask Rahm, that would suck.

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Don't you think it possible that the Martin and Obama camps have discussed the matter and made a joint decision?

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Everything's possible, my friend, everything's possible. We're living in a time of miracles, where we can pull $7 trillion from a $3 trillion budget. If Obama and McCain could sit down in July and figure out who was going to run the country, certainly Martin & Obama could figure out how they were going to campaign.

Though I might note that Obama carries a little more weight than Martin in the matter.

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In decisions relative to the Martin campaign I am certain that Martin's judgment carries way more weight than does Obama's, and I don't think Obama as shown a propensity toward throwing his weight around where it's not desired.

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Obama made one TV ad for a Senate/House candidate. One. He offered limiited support for down-ticket candidates.

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You are counting on 8 long years of being puzzled? What? Because you think you have better political instincts than the long shot that just pulled off the upset victory of all time? When you're feeling puzzled during the next 8 years, just remember the last 8 years, and maybe some pieces will fall in place. Sheesh.

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Yeah, sure, you're probably the type that cherishes New York Yankees "upset victories".

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Actually, I'm a Phillies fan.

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Now that has me even more puzzled.

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Oh good. You are smarter than I thought. Phillies fans baffle even the smartest amongst us. But it's true. I love that team. Always have.

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I would hope it's not because of a fear of losing political capital or looking partisan that he's not going, or even because of a lack of time. I've got two theories:

(1) He's doing his usual basketball politics: fake right, then go left. I.e., he might still go yet, and because everyone's been talking about how he's not going (but he's said no such thing), it generates a nice news cycle or two. Free press. Full court press, at that.

(2) As Chris Brown suggests above, Martin doesn't think Obama's appearance would be helpful. After all, Obama didn't carry Georgia.

As for him risking political capital, I think that's a very short-sighted way of looking at it. The risk of temporarily losing political capital (who'd really remember this loss even a year from now?) versus the reward of getting another Senate seat seems to heavily favor taking a chance, if it's thought to be helpful.

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Okay, thank you, I'd love either to be the case - that he thinks he'd do more harm than good, or that he's gonna ride in at the last minute and make a big splash (even though voting's already started). I don't have much respect for the careful/no stains approach.

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But finds time to solicit for the transition team:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Fundraising_off_the_announcements.html

Yeah, I know, he has a robocall going around Georgia.

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Yeah, the "time" excuse wouldn't hold water, anyway. After all, I recall someone stating that Presidents should be able to multitask. ;)

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Good point on the voting already having started. It makes the b-ball theory less plausible. And I agree about not having much respect for the no stains approach. I really hope that's not the case. (Of course, we may never know for sure. In that case, I'll choose to believe the best—that it was a request from Martin because of fear that it would hurt more than it would help.)

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He left the Obama campaign outfit in Georgia (~25 field offices) intact for Martin's use, he's sent aides from outside the state down to work on Martin's behalf, he's cut radio ads and robocalls, other luminary Democrats have and are visiting, and the race itself has already garnered quite a bit of attention and wealthy donors just due to circumstance. In the words of Martin's spokesman,

“Our campaign is thrilled with the support [Obama’s] been giving Jim Martin. President-elect Obama has been extremely supportive of Jim Martin all along the way, even before the general election and certainly in this runoff campaign.”

What exactly is the benefit in Obama visting in the flesh, particularly for a state he lost in the GE?

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What, are we back to red state/blue state meme?

Obama being now president-elect couldn't change the effect?

Hey, 4% of the voters in Georgia chose someone else - an Obama presence can't help pull in those?

Typically voter turnout flags except for presidential elections - Obama's physical presence wouldn't help pull more Democrats to the polls?

This needs to be explained? If Obama lost a state, he need never go there atain? Bye-bye Missouri where he lost by 0.8%? Bye-bye Georgia where he lost by only 5%?

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Nope PE Obama is not going to change the outcome of this race with a personal visit or two. The fence-sitters in the southern and border states will "maybe" come off that fence after a year or two of Obama's first term. Now? I don't think so.

And, BTW, not every downstream dem was going to win in this general election. Perhaps you didn't understand that and it's the reason for the assertion you keep making that Obama didn't help the down-ticket dems? Here in Missouri, Obama urged voting for all the dems down-ticket--and word is that it worked. :)

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I don't want the media to turn this into a Obama v. Palin runoff. Next thing you know they will be comparing their appearances to what might happen in 2012! Yes, I think the media is that stupid.

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So we're going to run from the media, or we're going to try to win elections?

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Maybe it's excessive cautiousness on the part of the Obama camp. Concern that if he went now (or last week), it would be portrayed as "Obama, in a sharp partisan shift, ignores economic crisis to campaign for a Democrat", the sort of press coverage that would be unhelpful to the message they seem to have settled on (it's all about competence, not ideology) while being very helpful to Republicans in helping to set a frame for the incoming administration.

If Martin still lost, in spite of Obama's appearance, then the talking doodleheads would earnestly discuss whether "Obama was losing his support among Dems...".

The Obama camp would have to spend time to recapture the story, and perhaps the possibility of a 59th Dem vote in the Senate isn't worth the cost.

I tend to think it's concern over the media attention that is probably driving this decision.

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Supporting a Democrat in a tight race isn't worth the cost? Just ballast keeping us down, those Democrats who run in uncertain races?

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Supporting a Democrat in a tight race isn't worth the cost?

Obama's not supporting Martin? Wow.

I tell ya. We gotta impeach this guy...

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Has it occured to anyone that a personal appearance may energize the anti-black vote enough to push Chambliss over the top?

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Terrible but true. A lot of racist people are REALLY angry about Obama winning. Remember that Chambliss warned people that the "other folk" were voting for Obama. Georgia is an interesting state, and it's come a long way, but there is a still a strong racist streak running through that place that can't forget the burning of Atlanta. I think Obama and Martin know EXACTLY what they are dealing with. Let's leave it to the pros.

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I leave that as a possibility. Though Obama won 47.5% of the vote there, so it's not like he should be a huge detriment.

But with Rudy, Mitt, Sarah, John & whoever else showing up for the other side, I guess we should just give up. Once a Southern State, always a Southern State, right North Carolina?

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I don't think racism is confined to The South.

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I was thinking along the same lines, Slouch.

Southern Dems may be willing to vote for the top of the presidential ticket relative to their party, yet they may also be willing to vote for repubs at the local, state, and national (entry) level.

In similiar fashion, southern Repubs may be willing to vote for the top of the presidential ticket relative to their party, yet they may also be willing to vote dem at the local, state, and national (entry) level.

As it relates to those trends (particularly in that region), a still relatively immeasurable variable occurs when race is part of the equation, regardless of party affiliation.

Given the numbers behind Obama's loss in GA despite the resources he expended there, I can only see his direct involvement hurting the effort.

As a Black woman (who spent a fair amount of her formative years in the South) I can only say that sometimes party affiliation is simply not enough. Leaving a lasting impression of a substantive and meaningful association with a Black person, can be a deal breaker for southern Repubs and Dems.

For obvious reasons, I don't like it and going a bit deeper, it sickens me. But it is what it is...

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Obama won North Carolina, he lost Georgia by only 5%. If people hadn't challenged the status quo, he would have lost by 30%. Just Give Up? Magic words to live by? No, African-Americans especially lined up behind Obama to show that their vote can make a difference, that no state is written off until the elections. Now African-Americans can line up to support Martin to give another friendly vote in the Senate - 60 votes will come in awfully handy. But every vote counts, right? The face of the South is changing, right? Obama got 47% in Georgia, 45% in South Carolina, 43% in West Virginia, 50% in North Carolina, 53% in Virginia, 44% in Texas, 43% in Mississippi. Yes, close counts in something more than horseshoes and hand grenades.

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Oh, Des is probably right. The person many of us supported and worked for, and canvassed and made phone calls for, probably is just what she says:

My guess is Obama either doesn’t want to look partisan in time of a meltdown and/or doesn’t want to own a defeat if Martin can’t pull from behind. Or maybe for some reason he thinks he wouldn’t help.

---Or maybe he is who we thought he was; maybe he is who we voted for, and is doing his best to hold the country together and do what he can for Martin (considering that he is running in Georgia - a state Obama lost). Maybe he is smarter than some of us, and maybe he knows exactly what he is doing.

Oh, no. Des is probably right. Obama is going to let us all down. After all, he has an x and a y chromosome.

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You know, if it was an easy Democratic state, Martin probably wouldn't need his help.

So is this an Obama rule, only help where you're not needed - the "sure thang" rule? Sounds a bit like the Colin Powell Policy.

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"So is this an Obama rule, only help where you're not needed - the "sure thang" rule?"

I don't know that the the implied tone of your mockery by the use of the term "thang" is necessary or appropriate in this statement, yet in response to it, the first thought that comes to my mind is "first do no harm", although, admittedly, the usage is lacking in proper context.

I'm not prepared to dispute that the underlying motivation of the absence of a personal appearance by Obama may in fact be politically motivated; however, I retain the right to question to who's benefit or detriment that would serve and for what end result.

And in response to quinn's comment, I simply don't have the capacity to offer a rebuttal couched in million-dollar words and obscure dialects, yet I simply ask that you employ a relative dose of reality with respect to what an Obama presidency really means.

Speaking plainly, no more African-Americans are going to turn out to support Martin (some for a second time) than did to support Obama. You appear to be smart--I don't think I have to explain to you why.

As to the rest, perhaps we'll chalk it up to perception, but I see his greatest challenge as the leading political figure is to shore up consistent support at home, as opposed to anything he may face internationally, at least during the course of the next four years.

I'm overly pleased that the majority of the current electorate has placed confidence in Obama to confront the challenges that we face as a nation going forward; however, don't let your personal convictions cloud the reality of the challenges of collective confidence that he has faced prior to the election--that he will face during his presidency--and that he will continue to face following his term(s) in office. President or not, 2008 or not, he wears a chain (or a clock as it were) around his neck, the size and weight of that which rivals Flavor Flav--his Blackness. That truth is not going to change overnight.

The way I see it, supreme confidence minus stark reality = blind arrogance and I don't see how that serves him or us as a nation.

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Sigh, so it's not Change We Can Believe In, it's a temporary lark in the face of racist Americans?

And "sure thang" is code for "sure thang, honeybunch", every Southern diner's favorite riposte. I could have used "slam dunk" if I wanted to channel George Tenet, but between Quinn's hockey and KateO's baseball, we have enough sports talk going on around here.

African-Americans will likely not turn out in large numbers unless pushed and begged, that this is a matter of urgency for their own interests (and of course besides the compelling "Barack needs this", there might be some more subtle subdivisions in argument needed for the black constituency - demographics and policy and the particulars of what Martin offers).

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CrazyAte; Turnout is likely to be substantially lower this time, than back on the 4th, right? So a major question is which party manages even a tiny gain relative to the other, in terms of motivating more of their voters to come out again. I haven't seen the polls, but one really damaging result would be for Obama NOT to show up, and the Dems lose by 150 votes or some other small amount. Seems to me we could be kicking ourselves for the next two years.

And judging from your writing, I doubt you had too much problem with my "million-dollar words and obscure dialects." Not sure I've ever been charged with being a fancy talker before.... so this may take some getting used to. ;-)

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This just sounds like a load of overly-cautious bollocks to me.

Obama's gonna lead us up against a Depression, end two wars, lower the rising seas... and he can't go to Georgia?

All this finessing about how we mustn't rile up the racist vote? Don't you think Palin & co are gonna pump up "their guys"?

Don't you think seeing a black President-Elect might actually excite a few people in Ga., boost their confidence in change?

Mustn't "spend" a penny of that hard-earned political capital? Sorry kids, that stuff melts FAST after Jan 20th, so Obama's gonna have to know how to create some coin on the fly.

If O wins, he gets more help in the Senate, and outs out a hell of a warning to the GOP. Cross me & I'll help take you down.

If he loses, so what? We could spin that a dozen ways, and it's not like Inauguration isn't gonna hand Obama a full sack of goodwill. Because the powers-that-be NEED him to succeed. We could just say he had other things to focus on, so couldn't campaign more than the one day, for starters.

I say, suck it up, and march the hell in there. You won. Be confident. Show confidence. That's what turning the economy around is gonna be all about.

Piffle, I say! PIFFLE on the pusillanimous!!! ;-)

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From Geiger

In a revealing bit of polling , a Survey USA poll reports that 15 percent of Georgia respondents say that a visit from John McCain would make it more likely that they would turn out for the run-off election -- while 30 percent say that Obama making a campaign appearance for Martin will have the same effect.

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What would Georgians know?

Look. The votes are in on this post.

And you got TRASHED, sister.


P.S. Unless, of course, Obama shows up in Georgia. In which case, you get to take some people out for a wood-sheddin'.

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Oh no, it's a lose-lose situation for me. Obama was right all along, whatever he does.

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For equal time, I'm also disappointed Hillary's not campaigning there - 53% of the voters in Georgia were women, going 56% for Obama. That's a demographic that can make the difference in a state Martin lost by only 3%. Of course 98% of African-Americans voted for Obama there as well. Get Out the Vote!

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I know I'm just spitting in the wind, here, but Obama knows what he's doing.

He's riding a wave of popular will, based in part on the fact that he's fresh from winning an election. Getting deeply involved in an election you are likely to *lose* is not a good idea one month before you take office. Fritters away the appearance of a mandate.

Qv. Bill C., Wyche Fowler, '92 -- similar situation.

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Not sure it's safe yet to be comparing Obama to Bill.

Might wanna strap a helmet on.....

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Not sure it's safe yet to compare 2008 with 1992.

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"Deeply involved"? I'm suggesting a flight down, a speech to a packed stadium, and a flight back up. 7-8 hours and he can write the speech on the plane. Label Chambliss as to blame for the meltdown, just another Bush supporter in the party of neglect.

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Some background I'd forgotten when I wrote this, back from those halcyon but short-lived Ned Lamont days:

Barack Obama Quite possibly the biggest disappointment ... period.

While on his book tour, he was in NYC one day, had a scheduled day off, and appeared in Massachusetts the following day. Yet he couldn't make time to stop in the state between the two on his day off. We made it explicitly clear he was the single senator we wanted in the state above all others.

He declined.

Eventually, we asked Senator Obama to send out an email for the campaign to his Connecticut list. We created a culture in which emails became news (much like we did with the blogs in the primary). They made it entirely clear that he would basically not even mention Joe Lieberman's name in the email, let alone take him to task for his unfortunate position on the war in Iraq. This was disappointing, but I wasn't going to be spiteful. They sent the email, and as I hoped, the press came calling. Our Press Secretary, Eddie Vale, was asked how many people the email went to. He looked on the back-end of the website and saw the number of click-throughs to the landing page I created. He answered "about 5,000." Within minutes of the Associated Press piece going on the wire, I received several phone calls from Obama staff. They were none to pleased about the 5,000 number. Essentially, Obama could be seen as helping, but not helping THAT much. His staff apparently made it clear that the email only went out to 225 people in Connecticut. That's it. The next day we were subject to a correction in the papers and ridicule from Lieberman's campaign and corners of the right-wing blogosphere.

It's also important to note that Obama's email came only after a tremendous amount of pressure built up from portions of various online communities who "threatened" in behind-the-scenes conversations and open discussions online that support for Lamont would be viewed as a part of a "presidential checklist."

Everyone should also know that Robert Gibbs, part of the group that ran the infamous Dean/Osama ad during Iowa 2004, is now Barack Obama's Communications Director.

For those questioning whether 5000 was accurate, Kos explains:

So why were there 5,000 clickthroughs? Because Atrios got a copy of the email and linked to the landing page, inflating the number of people who saw that page. Obama was pressured into "helping" Ned Lamont, but that help took the form of an email sent to a piddling 225 people. Such help...

Them Internets, they have memories. I imagine Obama does too.

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This e-mail was a tissue of lies when it came out and it remains so today. Obama's book schedule did NOT contain a day off in this period of time. He went to an event in NY and then in Mass and then on to PA--no day off at all. There was also bad weather and delayed flights.

I really thought better of you.

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Well if you believe the cynics, like Alexander Cockburn, Obama is praying for Martin to lose because a 60-vote majority would require that the Democrats keep their promise to labor and pass the Employee Free Choice Act.

59 votes will give them an excuse to do nothing for labor.

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There's certainly some disappointment around that the Secretary of Labor wasn't rolled out as an important part of the economic team.

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And more on Saxby Chambliss

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I hate to be so pessimistic in light of Obama's wonderfully decisive victory, but has anyone considered the security precautions that would (unfortunately) be necessary for our first African-American president-elect to hold a rally right now in Georgia or anywhere else? The bill for that alone would be astronomical--this wouldn't be a quick exit from a plane, brief speech and back home. I hope he stays nice and safe in Washington or Chicago or wherever he currently is, getting ready to take over from the Bush braintrust.

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Really? Now that we've elected him we have to keep him hidden? Who would have imagined.

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No need to break out the sarcasm. It's just an opinion. We've all got 'em! :)

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You know what, Des? You're right. The guy's a complete failure.

We really should start the recall campaign right now.

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The straw men are Halloween, not Thanksgiving...

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Well, let's see what she drags out tomorrow. I'm sure there will be something else she can find fault with. I guess Des thinks we would be so much better off if John McCain were wrestling Sarah Palin for the reigns to get the country back on track.

I guess they would be doing such a great job (after Sarah got her geography lessons all taken care of). I wonder what McCain's response to the bombings in India would be. I mean, who could we bomb? Hard to know. Maybe the country of Africa.

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