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Chinese Checkers: It's a Small World After All


Over 70 years ago in the middle of the Great Depression, my grandfather - a quite successful businessman in hard times - packed the family in a car, drove to Florida, and bought some farm land. Being very clever with his hands and no stranger to hard work, he knew if worse came to worse he could survive off the fat of the land. The exile didn’t last long before he was back in business again, but the point had been brought home, what it takes to survive.

In 2008 if I said I was heading to Florida to buy farm land, you’d look at me like I was crazy. And I pretty well would be. His was a 1930’s strategy for survival, a very good one, but not a strategy that has aged well. There would be no place to sell the extra produce for much money to pay for staples such as gas, additional groceries, toilet paper, insurance, taxes, et al. That world is quite gone.

I thought of that today when I ran across Obama’s new weekly speech, that we were going to start a program rebuilding highways and bridges, schools, and of course invest in new energy. (“New energy” is for example what we’ve been calling solar power for the last 35 years. It’s a kind of outdated term somewhate related to “New Wave” and “New Age”, two other dinosaurs from the 70’s). I have a hat tip I learned from the Japanese before I turn serious - how about we cover 1/3 of the US with concrete over the next 4 years? It would be roughly equivalent to what the Japanese tried to do in the 1990’s, would use up incredible amounts of energy in the process, would no doubt put quite a few people to work in menial tasks, and would be completely ineffective in spurring growth in a modern economy.

Our we could call China.

Let’s make it clear. China is not my big friend. The Chinese for all their ingenuity have shown some pretty decisive lack of integrity in business practices, government actions, and other ways. But the deal is, we took a decisive act over the last 15 years, which was to engage China as our primary manufacturing partner. And boy have they been good at it.

But does anyone remember our part of the deal? It was to 1) supply the money, 2) sign the contract, 3) market the goods, and 4) take most of the profit. Yes, it’s funny because my first posting at TPM was actually on the advantage of outsourcing that somehow got sidetracked. But just wanted to say, for the most part the Chinese are shit at marketing. Sure, maybe somehow they’ll catch up, but I don’t expect it to be soon. But boy are they good at manufacturing. Except…

If we let all those manufacturing plants close without a word, there’ll be not only unrest in China, but hell getting the factories set up running again. And don’t think we can take this business back in to do ourselves. We don’t even have the people, much less the right infrastructure at this point. Did I mention software houses in India? Same thing. These countries have given us great value on the dollar, especially as the dollar has been run into the ground - and now we’re going to revive our economy through building roads and fixing up schools?

Take a look at say the top 31 US companies - 10 are in software/hardware/telecom, 6 are (or were) banks and insurance, 5 are in pharmaceuticals, 4 are gas & oil, and then there are the usual suspects like Walmart, Procter & Gamble, etc. Much of what these companies do is virtual - services, software, risk acceptance, network routing. Even Walmart is known for turning a stodgy shelf-trade business into a fleet spry & efficient logistics organization - i.e. plannign and scheduling. And then there’s high-tech pharma, moving molecules around to make the next billion dollars.

So why exactly are we talking about construction? Our fixation on property and physical assets got us into this mess, it won’t get us out, and construction is hugely manpower and energy intensive for any gain to be derived - i.e. very low margin compared to a computer program that you write once and sell 50 million times. We excel in marketing, value-added ideas and services, customer service and the legal and political environment typically to support fair and efficient trade. Keep our eye on the ball.

We need to be ramping up our part of the equation, not some make-jobs hype. We need to be working together with China and India on how to make their production more efficient and affordable (yes, we own much of the important part), work with Europe to make sure their strong market can take our exports, work with our own country to improve execution, lower time for turnaround, improve our marketing proposition to consumers, keep up demand. In short, we’re the world managers for a huge global service and manufacturing economy, and we need to keep focused on that relationship. There is no local anymore, there is no driving down to Florida to escape it all. Stick where you are and work out the pieces. And for a guy who rose to power via internet-based marketing, on-the-ground activism and exploiting niche markets and opportunities, I’m rather amazed Obama’s heading this direction.

Of course we need new energy sources, but this is not the kind of research to bet on for turning around a global economy in the short term. Something like universal health care could actually save companies money and improve efficiency in the short run, but the transition to it will be rather tricky. But building more Bridges to Somewhere is not the crux of our problem. Note that we lost Fannie Mae and AIG, not Schlumberger and Bechtel (and we gave Halliburton/Kelloge Brown & Root more than enough business to last us through the decade).

So if we’re assuming change that makes a difference on a world scale, let’s assume it on the world stage.

Here are some items I wrote a few years ago regarding offshoring. While there are some mistakes there, the basic premises still hold. We gain a lot from our trading relationships. We just need to manage them well.

Offshoring Summaries

Gaining Through Trade

  • Lower input costs - American companies gain from the typically good prices of the offshore exchange, and turn these lower costs into increased sales and/or profits. By selling a $1 Indian-made service for $4 instead of a $2 US-made one, I increase my returns by one-half. It frees up the other half ($1) to be used as I see fit - for stockholders, lower customer costs, R&D, diversified assets, and increased salaries. A Barbie may cost $20, but China keeps only 35 cents (Barboza, 2006).
  • Lower consumer prices - if I pass lower costs from India on to the consumer, the consumer receives $1 in lower prices per purchase - equivalent to perhaps $1.50 in higher wages when considering taxes (federal, state, sales, social security, medicare).
  • Companies are consumers too - if I pass on IT offshoring savings to WalMart, part of this appears in savings at the cash register, but the public may not appreciate this as offshoring benefits. These savings may pass to hundreds of non-IT companies served by one provider such as IBM. Most transactions are B2B, and for a non-IT business like a hospital or bank, lower IT costs mean better prices and better service.
  • Saved time - lower costs means saving not just on the cost of the goods, but less time spent working to pay for the good. Ignoring taxes, if I work 40 weeks to pay expenses, and my costs decrease by half, I only have to work 20 weeks without giving up anything. Taking into account income taxes, I may fall into a lower percentage tax bracket.
  • More options - lower expenses produce more options, such that “savings” may appear in choosing more enjoyable work over higher paying jobs, and for products, lower costs may mean more styles or colors, longer opening hours or other options that please the consumer.
  • More interesting IT jobs - IT savings can be funneled into new on-shore jobs, both IT and non-IT. Even as IBM announced job shift to India, it announced it was hiring 5000 more stateside analysts (Lindsey, 2004). More interesting IT work tends to pay more and Bureau of Labor Statistics shows the percentage of high-paying IT jobs increasing even as the number of IT jobs increases
  • Greater investment returns - if savings from Indian offshoring are passed on to investors, they reach much of the population, though small investors receive smaller returns. If these are retirement investments, such as the popular 401(K), they are not taxed. Half of American households and one of three Americans own stocks and mutual funds (ICI, 2005).
  • Better use of Information Technology - lower IT costs means that SAP and IBM can scale down expensive solutions for SME’s (Small-to-Medium Enterprises), speeding up the adoption of better IT practices such as Supply Chain Management and Enterprise Resource Planning that make companies more efficient and competitive (Lohr, 2006). US hospitals plan on increasing their annual IT expenditures between 25-33% annually to better implement barcodes/RFID, electronic records, computerized orders, telemedicine, et al. (Hospital Materials Management, 2006).
  • New markets - India and others will purchase more US products as their living standards improve, though this is not a primary goal in most off-shoring, and its contributions may be more modest than some would expect. For 2003-2005, US exports to India went from $5 billion to $8 billion, while imports went from $13 billion to $19 billion. (Shrinivasan, 2005).
  • MNEs - Multinational Enterprises are twice as good at bringing offshore revenue stateside as non-MNEs (Dunning, 1997).
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Factors Pointing to Continued Domestic ICT Growth

  • Job Statistics - even during the post-2000 recession and slow recovery, the number of IT jobs continued to grow, if slowly, while average salaries kept rising (BLS, 2005a; BLS, 2005b; Vegso, 2005b)
  • Job Projections - 5 of the top 12 fastest growing professions in the US Bureau of Labor Statistics’ 10-year estimates are in IT, with these jobs being among the highest paid. IT jobs should increase by 1 million, or 33% over the decade starting in 2004 (Hecker, 2005).
  • Retirement: 800,000 of 3 million US ICT employees are over 55, while 400,000 are over 60 - many replacements will be needed over the next decade (NSF, 2006)
  • Security - as ICT usage grows, network and computer security problems and requirements increase, many of which cannot be handled remotely.
  • Sarbanes-Oxley - increased financial reporting requirements will force adoption of more IT systems for data gathering and handling.
  • Microsoft Vista - the long-awaited next version of Windows affecting 95% of computers will be out around the end of 2006, and already the work has started to transition operating systems and application software over a several year period.
  • Medical growth - on top of impending Baby Boomer retirement, the medical field is implementing digital records, RFID intelligent labels, computerized orders, telemedicine and sharing information. Hospitals surveyed plan to increase IT spending 25-33% near-term (Hospital Materials Management, 2006). Sixteen of the 30 fastest growing jobs are health related (Hecker, 2005)
  • Military, homeland defense, anti-terrorism and intelligence work - most areas involving sensitive data will not be offshored, and these budgets continue to grow
  • Mobile phones and home media - new fields require new applications, and most small startups develop their solutions with onshore programmers.
  • SME’s - small and medium enterprises have been slower in adopting ICT improvements, so lower costs mean more ICT use and increased onshore IT jobs.
  • Acronyms - be they AJAX, SOA, CRM, ERP, even if not completely successful, they generate a significant amount of effort and onshore jobs in trying to make them work.
  • Increased offshore management and integration - offshoring is not simply “ship & forget”. On-shore ICT management will continue to grow, reconciling off-shore efforts with on-shore activities.
  • Global communications - offshoring, voice over Internet, faster mobile phone data networks and other capabilities require continued expansion of domestic communications capabilities.
  • On-line education - multimedia instruction, improved archiving and retrieval of documents, telecommuting and collaboration software are some of the requirements of the growing remote-learning and on-line industries.
  • Backend Systems - many people think of shrink-wrap software when they think of programming, but more code goes into letting businesses talk to each other, much of it handled onshore with business-specific knowledge.
  • Niches - many small programming tasks are uneconomical to offshore, and many require specific local information not found overseas.
  • Garages - successful companies like HP, Apple, and Google started in garages, proving good ideas and hard work can succeed in IT without resources and infrastructure, while the US continues to innovate in IT.
  • Software is not Manufacturing - software often requires little investment and little hardware, not factories. Software doesn’t wear out, but constantly requires innovation - new versions, ports to new machines and related utilities - so jobs are gained maintaining old systems while designing the next.
  • Programming is not Manufacturing - if US Steel lays off, foundry workers leave town. If Oracle lays off, people start companies, go to work next door and telecommute. Programmers can shift to unrelated programming areas with relative ease.
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Update: I should have titled this “We’re All Marxists Now” or perhaps more accurately, “We’re All 1930’s Keynesians Now”. I’m reminded of all of Ataturk’s dam building projects, the huge Kruschev block houses - just pour concrete. Mao had The Great Push Forward where every peasant was making his/her own pig iron in the back yard (millions died in the ensuing famine). Pol Pot had “return to Year Zero” - everyone back to the rice paddies - full employment, manual labor at its finest. Yes, we can race towards the bottom of the pyramid, every American manning a shake machine or a maquiladora worker or out busting our backs on a road crew.

Think for one about currency velocity - how money turns over. Money for construction is slow money, and let’s just say if this is the only level of jobs we’re capable of growing, we should be ashamed.

Now take an example of Amazon.com. 16,000 workers, estimated revenue for the year $17 billion, profit of roughly $500 million - almost $30K profit per worker - much of it on growing exports. How efficient is it to push growth on a company like Amazon vs. pouring concrete? How easy is it to export our concrete business? How easy is it to increase productivity of an Amazon employee vs. a concrete pourer? Note that Amazon has introduced the Kindel for portable reading - what kind of increased efficiency effect will that have on the rest of our & the world’s economy? Compare that to whatever minimal multiplicative effects from construction? Certainly we need physical infrastructure, but let’s not worship it like the throwback days of early civil engineering, building the Hoover Dam and Empire State Building.

Economics has changed as much as the world has changed. Catch up.


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"Our fixation on property and physical assets got us into this mess, it won’t get us out, and construction is hugely manpower and energy intensive for any gain to be derived - i.e. very low margin compared to a computer program that you write once and sell 50 million times."

The software is only going to be a help if other countries buy it. (I remember something about counterfeiting and China, too.)

"If Oracle lays off, people start companies, go to work next door and telecommute. Programmers can shift to unrelated programming areas with relative ease." Dot-com bubble sound familiar? Those programmers didn't always find new work. Software requires a physical world to matter, it is not a stand-alone economy.

I don't see what is wrong with labor-intensive activities, if people are unemployed. I don't see what is wrong with energy-intensive if it is not an operating expense, but a capital investment. And the point of the construction is not simply make-work; it is to provide infrastructure that will last another generation. That is long-term investing by nature.

Finally, I would not call it a fixation on property and physical assets, it was a glorification of wealth. Your father's plan would still be fine if the goal is eating. It is only the goal of having money that fails if no one can buy your produce. It is the misplaced emphasis on money as opposed to security, on wealth as opposed to income, on personal gain as the single unvarnished Good.

New energy sources are not a misnomer if they weren't there before but are in the future. It is just as appropriate as the phrase New Source in New Source Review. It is a slightly more optimistic-sounding synonym for "more" sources of energy. And it is almost entirely a problem of tooling up and price disincentives due to technological inertia. There is enough sun, but there are not enough solar panels. There is enough wind, but not enough batteries. There is enough electricity, but not enough here, now, or there, during the hot daytime.

It is very much a job-creator to fit and retro fit houses and factories for local power generating, to install battery and switching systems, to mount panels or erect wind turbines. It would in fact mean millions of new jobs to overhaul our current system. Among other jobs involved are installing secondary and tertiary boilers in factory smokestacks, to yield about 200 gigawatts nationally. Retrofitting cars and buses to run on multiple fuels, to modify existing hybrids, to drill for groundwater for heat exchangers, will mean more jobs.

What money? There are people with money, the majority of us are still employed. We will hire the others because we will get a continuing payoff that starts with tax incentives and becomes free electricity. The only losers will be the oil-producing nations. They will have to move off a cash-crop economy, and learn to feed themselves and build for themselves.

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Glorification of wealth? Wealth is good, it pays for needed stuff. Like food. Japan and France have always had an obsession with their agriculture sectors, and they're simply less efficient than others. There are enough countries to grow food and transport it without needing to subsidize your own internal problems.

Tell me how long software programmers were out of work, vs. say TV assembly workers when Zenith headed to Mexico? Really, if you know how to program, you find work. May not be the first month, but it comes back.

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Very well put. Somehow, living on credit has to come in to the discussion. For example, it is okay to borrow money so you can live in your own house. Probably it is okay to borrow money so you can get a new car. It isn't okay to borrow money from VISA so you can get a new dress or shoes, which you can't afford. It isn't okay to get farther and farther behind in debt by paying the ridiculously small minimum payment, which guarantees continued indebtedness at absurd interest rates.

When the day comes that people don't go into debt over medical expenses, perhaps this credit card mess can be sorted out.

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Well, I'm all for universal health care - whether someone goes to work for Boeing or Walmart shouldn't be over medical payments - it should be specific job compensation and skill set. Similar with retirement benefits - too tempting for companies to cheat. 403B/401K matching and then give me my paycheck please.

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So why exactly are we talking about construction?

Uh? To create jobs for semi-skilled and relatively unskilled folks who will spend the money they makes buying the stuff you're talking about, and washers and driers, cars, and etc. And because the USA has neglected the maintenance of it's physical "infrastructure".

Further, investing in development of "green" energy and improving the electrical transmission grid, to improve delivery efficiency, aside from the environmental benefits, will make heretofore "alternative" energy sources competitive with traditional energy sources and can be accomplished by semi-skilled and unskilled workers.

How many North Americans are able to go out into their garages and create wealth as you suggest? Very few.


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Exactly right.

I'm actually blown away by his/her apparent naivete shown in the question about "why construction."

Anyway... thanks!

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You are indeed being polite to characterize this post as "naivete".

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That is no joke. Do you have any idea how many able bodied adults are competing with teenagers for minimum wage jobs? The guy at my local dunkin donuts is supporting a baby on 9.00 an hour! And he is a high school graduate.

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How about tell us how many, rather than offering an anecdote about 1.

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There's a lot of things I could say about this really fine essay, but "naive" would not be one of them.

Appreciation, Desi, on a great essay that should be over on the left side of the page. I have read it twice now and think you are bringing up some very important issues that I hope the Obama economic advisors are looking at...what are our strengths, how do we maximize them?

Pouring concrete is not the entire answer but it is part of it. Playing to our IT strengths is also part of the answer, but the restructuring of the world economic order is going to be a forcing function on a lot of what we wind up doing. G20 took a raincheck as was proper and the upcoming April meeting should be interesting to say the least.


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I'd be happier with a February meeting.

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I wouldn't be disappointed if it was Jan 21.

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Read Robert Riech's commentary at left above.

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Commentary where?

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On the Café page commentaries along the left side of the page.

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Destroyed by Ellen in the comments and her links:

http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=323

and also her pointing out that Obama's "growing jobs" is just keeping up with population growth - 100,000 jobs increased/month is basically treading water (which agreed is better than sinking, but...). Krugman pointed all this out back in 2002-2003.

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I read that the other day when Lux linked to it. Solid.

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That IRA link was mine, but I believe I posted it twice in the Dean Baker thread rather than the Reich one. I figured people were getting tired of me bringing it out again and again, but it is an enjoyable interview with a lot of history thrown in and even some solid economics.

I do have a copy, by the way, of An Engine Not a Camera and will liberally start quoting from it soon!

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Jobs, Baby, Jobs! Color me a New New Dealer. Public Works mark the landscape left by F.D.R..

I wonder he if would be appalled by the bridge collapse in Minnesota?

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Your points are correct for long term economic growth. If we can get more children into college then in the future we will have far more citizens with the skill sets to do the kinds of jobs you are talking about. Otherwise we are looking at a future similar to ours where those who can get the best education will move into those jobs and make money while a whole other set of our society who didn't finish school and are qualified for manual labor and minimum wage are left out in the cold.

The problem isn't that America doesn't have enough cheap crap. I make ok money despite the economy and while my unnecessary spending has decreased because the basics have become a larger part of my budget I still do just fine.

However the percentage of unemployed in this country (which cannot have an exact percentage nailed to it because of the way it is currently calculated) are made up by mainly laborers who no longer have labor to do because we all want to pay 50 bucks less on our TV's and 5 bucks less for a toaster.

If I'm one of these un or under employed laborers who would have had a lower middle class life 30 years ago but now sit under the poverty line your dollar savings doesn't help. after all, if I have 10 dollars in my pocket and a dvd that used to cost 19.99 now costs 15.99 how many will I buy?

The short term goal is to try and make sure as many Americans as possible go from having 10 dollars in the pocket as spending money to 20, 30, or best bet 50 plus. Because if they have it they will spend it.. If they spend it our economy improves instantaneously.

Furthermore I don't believe that this recession is like any previous. What we are looking at iis our true economy. Take away the credit that people were using to buy all this great crap and your left with people purchasing ONLY what they can afford from the own personal wealth. Credit has really been a great way for employers to get away with paying everyone less, because if they can slap down the Visa to pay for something they can't afford then subconsciously they don't realize they can't afford it. If they are kept in this state of unawareness then they don't agitate.

I don't see our economic future well being in making it more palatable to be poor by making everything cheaper.

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Uh, downward pressure on prices, i.e. lack of inflation, isn't just making it more palatable to be poor - it makes it easier to save and spend period - it favors everyone.

And remember, a penny saved is 1 1/2 pennies earned, thanks to taxes.

Really, it's an irrational bias that favors having $20 that buys 2 apples vs. having $5 that buys a 3-course meal.

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I think I'm with you on this, Desidero. People forget that a lot of construction and infrastructure jobs just kind of suck. They're hard, they're dirty and they're often dangerous. I don't mean to be harsh when I say that a lot of people actually go to college so that they won't be expected to do such work.

Not all infrasructure jobs suck, of course and blue collar jobs often give rise to white collar jobs. You can also argue, as China might, that you get a more stable economy when you require people who want to invest with you to, say build factories than if you just let them loan you money (as, say Argentina did during the 90s). It's very difficult to close a factory once you've built it while it's very easy to call in a debt or sell a security.

So here's the problem, Des -- if our entire economy is going to be service and information based, if we're a capital location rather than a manufacturing one, aren't we a tad doomed to vicious boom/bust cycles?

Not that China or any industrial economy is immune, but it's harder and costlier for a manufacturing company to wind down than it is for, say, a financial services company.

And, who knows, as I write this, the stewards of our tax dollars might be buying us Citigroup.

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I don't mean to dismiss physical infrastructure from the equation, and believe it or not (rhetorical, not personal) we still have manufacturing and agriculture in the US.

Long term these need to be maintained - not in a nostalgic way, if we lose more manufacturing because we're better off outsourcing, fine, but what's left needs to be well taken care of.

But as a quick turnaround measure for a financially based crash in a primarily service economy, I find the focus on physical infrastructure bizarre.

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I found the following a really wonderful, thought-provoking piece, related in many ways to your theme:

India Calling
By ANAND GIRIDHARADAS

New York Times Week in Review, November 23

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Brilliant. I liked the "two minutes: Means: an hour, doesn't mean two minutes".

But yes, India isn't the scary offshoring ogre it was built up to be. And it's not a complete success even unto itself, but it's a very interesting model to tie in with our other solutions.

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Perhaps I am in a minority here, but I think this post misses the point between "virtual" and "actual" economic recovery. I have been a union carpenter building concrete forms for bridges, high-rises, and large commercial construction for 20 years. Yes, construction is hard, dirty, and dangerous, but the fact is investing in it produces "concrete" results. The fact is our infrastructure, that you seem to take for granted, is in bad shape. The collapse of a bridge in Minneapolis is the result of years of neglect. If you don't mind the bridge you are driving your Chinese car across falling down from underneath you, fine, let's not invest in infrastructure. Construction is a great way to stimulate the economy.
1) All construction is local.
This means that it can be targeted to help the areas of our economy in the worst shape.
2) Infrastructure is an investment.
A bridge built today is cheaper than one built 10 years from now.
3) A dollar spent on infrastructure recycles through a local economy thus multiplying it's effect. Whereas dollars spent on the virtual tripe you are proposing tends to end up offshore or in the pockets of the few.
4) Construction projects end up employing many white-collar workers. Engineers, architects, and countless office jobs are part of any large construction, and quite a bit of software. If you get busy offshoring some programming jobs to India you might be able to sell a CAD program or two.
5)Construction companies end up buying most of their supplies from local companies.
6)Federally funded construction is covered by the Davis Bacon Act, which ensures that a prevailing wage is paid. These are family wage jobs that we are talking about.

Overall I find the anti-worker bent of your comments to be surprisingly like something Phil Gramm would write. The construction trades are skilled trades. It takes years to build the skills necessary to build things quickly and safely. If you don't want to get dirty, work hard, or possibly get hurt or killed, fine, don't get a construction job, but don't belittle we that do the work you don't want to do.

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Thanks for the input.

I don't mind that it's dirty. I mind that it's slow, that a dollar exchanged 50 times a day is more of an economy builder than a dollar exchanged one times a day.

Money is not sitting in traders' pockets unless there is nothing to buy. Warren Buffett did that for a few years, but now he's cashing in. Of course not everyone invests against the trend, but the pocket analogy is flawed.

The stock market is now our most efficient means of hitting all local economies, presuming we have the majority of the population investing, which I believe is now the case.

In terms of the rest of your comments, I'm fine with those if someone actually calculates the effects - how much software, how many white collar workers, economic and social benefits, etc.

As I noted with Amazon, they're producing $30K profit per 16,000 workers (after benefits and everyone's been paid) that then funds further expansion which is export based. Which doesn't measure the additional software Amazon's buying as part of their continual efficiency, and it only hints at what that does to book-binders and freight delivery and the economy as a whole. If I order 1 million Kindles for schools tomorrow, only a small portion of that money goes to China for hardware, and there's follow-on purchases of digital versions of books, quickly increasing a school's "libraries" for a fraction of the cost of paper books (and more eco-friendly, though it of course doesn't help book binders or delivery companies). I can have that program up and running and completed within a month. How long does it take to plan and coordinate even a minimally complex construction project for the same $300 million?

[Disclaimer: I'm not a shareholder of Amazon, nor do I even think the Kindle's the best way of doing things, similiarly am I skeptical of the iPhone except the finger control. Purely used as an example of our digital service-based world and its economic ramifications.]

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However Des, my main point was that under your plan there would be a long period where many many many people would have 0 dollars and would be a huge drag on the economy.

My main point is that as a business man my bottom line is in direct relation to the amount of money flowing through our community. A good 50 to 60% of my business are low education laborers. They are not going to roll over into the kind of jobs you propose.

Sure, it's cheaper to have something made by slave labor in another country and we could all save a crap ton of money if we drop our morality and turn a blind eye. Is it really okay for us to encourage the poor labor environments in other countries because they don't have worker protections that we do in order for things to be cheaper for us?

It's all good in theory, however somewhere in the world someone is suffering terrible working conditions and ridiculous pay for you to get that three dollar three course meal. In essence, encouraging third and second world countries to produce the absolute cheapest of product is exporting poverty.

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Think of it as a velocity trickle down effect. If day traders and software companies speed up their daily & weekly turnover (and those can be realistic units of measure in some cases), then the people who profit from these continue to place orders for consumer goods - either fast consumables or slower ones like home improvements - as well as the supporting professional goods and services that let them deliver.

In terms of "poor labor environment" and "slave labor environment", the working poor in China and India and elsewhere have seen their wages and standard of living improve greatly over the last 10 years, even though there are a variety of negatives - urban crowding, displacement, some worker abuse, etc. With more demand for workers in China, employers actually have to improve conditions. It might seem like with 1.4 billion to work with supply would be no problem, but on a skills and maintainability/predictive output level, yes, it's difficult to keep people - there are lots of new opportunities (at least until 2 months ago).

Don't be fooled by wage figures either - much of the benefit exists in improved infrastructure, access to health care, decreased hours, etc. The Chinese are actually pumping many billions into lowering pollution - needed for a country with the 10 most polluted cities. Urbanization has turned China into almost half citified versus the traditional peasant makeup - with a variety of pluses and minuses. But the huge slowdown in China won't help us, being China's biggest partner. Fix the bigger issues and the smaller will fall in line, but the bigger issues are international.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/nov2008/gb20081113_305364.htm?campaign_id=rss_as

Here's an interesting housing design - whether it ever gets adopted is another question:
http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/29/award-winning-agro-housing-apartments-for-china/

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50- 60% of my businesses customer base is what I meant in paragraph 2.

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