From a response that grew too long:
The problem I’ve found is I don’t think anyone around here knows what netroots is, who Digby is, what Howard Dean has done with 50 states, how much Rahm supported the Blue Dogs and warned people not to ever ever ever mention Iraq. So oddly they think Rahm is both bold and progressive.
But the lesson is not to abandon Netroots. It’s to push them and only them. Stoller and Bowers over at OpenLeft are excellent with focused money. For New York, they came up with a way to give money for Obama via a progressive org - to signal, “this is progressive money, not just generic money”. How to do your own spot ads for the candidate you approve of.
Because they don’t care about you. They don’t understand you. At least most of them. 42-13? For fuck’s sakes, we’re back to the right-wing thing that you’d have to sodomize toddlers while shooting mortar shells into old folks’s homes to get a reprimand.
Let’s take a trip down memory lane:
In the Senate, during the three-and-a-half years that Senator Obama has been a member, he has not reached across party lines to get accomplish anything significant, nor has he been willing to take on powerful interest groups in the Democratic Party to get something done.
So what did Lieberman do, but reach across for a handjob to support everything illegal the government was doing. Mr. Lieberman, I don’t vote Democrat to elect a Republican. If they want to earn my vote, they can go through the necessary steps to earn my respect.
Let me contrast Barack Obama’s record to the record of the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who stood up to some of those same Democratic interest groups, worked with Republicans, and got some important things done, like welfare reform, free trade agreements, and a balanced budget.
And let me contrast the Democrats who sucked up to George Bush with the Republicans in 1996 who fought Clinton every step of the way. Well I admire Gingrich more than Pelosi or Reid, I can tell you that, even though I agree with probably none of his opinions.
But here, let Joe dig his little shithole deeper:
And I was there, so I can tell you, when others were silent about the war in Iraq, John McCain had the guts and the judgment to sound the alarm about the mistakes we were making in Iraq. You know… (APPLAUSE) … when others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, which would have been a disaster for the USA, when colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield…
No, you asshole, others weren’t silent. They were speaking out against the stupidity of the war and how it was being conducted and how its supposed goals were completely in denial of the facts on the ground, but Republicans were shutting down any dissent as “unpatriotic”?
Do you remember your buddy John McCain walking through a market on a sick photo op with flak jacket, 100 soldier escort and helicopters flying overhead to show how safe it was for the common man?
Do you remember that disgraceful time in September 2007 when the Congress felt it appropriate to condemn a private citizens’ group that used its own money in a newspaper to protest a General’s conduct of the war? Only 79 Congresspeople and 25 Senators had the courage to stand up to that abomination, all of them Democrats except for 1 Independent that wasn’t Joe Lieberman. That abomination that says American citizens cannot question the flaws of humans running war. Let me tell you about that.
A few days ago the Nation published new info on the Vietnam War, how one group in the push for higher and higher body counts lost complete sight of the purpose fo the war, and committed atrocity after atrocity against civilians in Vietnam. A My Lai a Month. Fucking fancy that. 35 years after the war ends, 4 years after the Swift Boating of John “Winter Soldier” Kerry for not being patriotic enough, we get confirmation that Kerry was indeed right, that free fire zones on civilians were the rule not the exception.
Lieberman wants to extend the myth and the horror of blind allegiance to war and soldiers, that any attempt to cut the war off is an act of betrayal rather than good common sense review. You specifically stated this at the convention:
… when others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, which would have been a disaster for the USA, when colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield…
Mr. Lieberman, I wish Mr. Obama had done so in those stark of terms, but for someone who came to power in the 60’s with the arbitrary foreign political decisions of a few trumping any oversight from the Congress - you should simply know better, that it is not the Constitutional right of the Executive Branch to simply dismiss the chaotic oversight of the Congressional, but that that chaotic oversight was specifically what was prescribed in the Constitution. To support the President’s extra-Constitutional actions is simply being a traitor to the Constitution, however you want to spice it up. You were wrong, but unfortunately we’re only likely to hear smug self-absorbed pronouncements from you hear on out. Congrats, you have won on the most self-defeating point possible - you’ve shown that the American people and their representatives can be complete suckers, can completely abandon their citizen duties and responsibilities. Constitution? Just a piece of paper. Joe knows better, despite all obvious goings on the last year.
Mr. Obama, a friend of mine told me quite bluntly 25 years ago - if you give respect to everyone, you give respect to no one. People earn respect, and if you give it out free gratis, you do a disservice. Mr. Lieberman deserved to lose. I certainly don’t wish treating him the way Republicans have treated us over the year, but to come to the table of mutual respect requires some effort from the other side as well. Pardons without pre-conditions sounds way too chummy. Let’s give one to the American people for a change.