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America: We ♥ Quagmires


A few weeks there was a flare-up when Fiorina said that Palin wasn't capable of running a corporation. She then expanded a bit saying Obama, McCain and Biden weren't capable either.

Well, she's right. Actually I suspect Obama could run a corporation just fine, but that's not the point. Government is not a corporation. It requires very different skills, and one thing we learn in life is that people are specialists and skilled in certain things and not others. And that can be highly refined - not just a corporate personality, but good in one kind of corporation, not in another. Good in one part of a corporation, not in another.

The bailout deal giving government pieces of companies to run is simply absurdly stupid. Corporate leaders who focus their whole lives on this sphere have hit-and-miss results. Having folks who focus on policy turn around and try to hit the right note in finance and bank operation is just begging for failure.

We've already shown how arrogant we are in presuming to waltz into a country with a very different lifestyle and environment and assume we can just run the place. It's just as arrogant to assume the same with banking, especially having shown how off we were in just regulating mortgages and banks. It might not be obvious from headlines, but banks are also evolving all the time - taking advantage of new computer & network technology, new types of financial instruments, new ways of organizing their branches, new ways of marketing, while dealing with new rules of reporting and diligence. It's a highly competitive environment, that's now shifted to international competition over local. All of that complexity means it's not a cakewalk, not a "slam dunk".

Or perhaps we're looking for a new motto. America: We Quagmires.

Contrary to Coolidge, the business of government is not business. It is partially supporting business, partially supporting people.



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Take that, Quinn.
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Agree government is not a corporation - that was always a stupid metaphor. (I find government is a lot more like... government.) On the banks, I think they've hired a NY Bank to run the new business. But I think you're overstating their "innovations." Banking is not venture capital or that sexy & more constructive stuff we all like. 80%-90% of people don't directly own any stocks/bonds. They have some savings, are in pension plans, do withdrawals, deposits, savings. They use cash machines & avoid bank managers. Vanilla stuff.

Of what you listed, none of the dealing with regulation, marketing, cash machines & computers, networks & such stuff is that hard. Credit Unions & public auto insurance etc., do this all the time, and do it well. In terms of innovative financial products, well, you've got a hard row to hoe on that one. Many of these "innovative products" were created to avoid regulation, taxation, & to take advantage of small gaps in the system as money went global. You'd probably need to list a couple that you think are stellar, cause they're not springing to mind. (Admittedly, I'm decaffeinated, down 3 pints of blood as a result of head-banging to the Four Tops all night, and only on my first pack of Peter Jackson's, so I'm a bit sluggish....)

Most modern economics/business talk about this stuff is just nonsense though. EVERYONE'S learned to repeat the word "market." So I keep testing to see who knows what that is, and it's rare anyone even makes a useful start. Almost no one gets that "corporation" is to "market," what "island" is to "sea" - that is, they're are antithetical. (And MY, what a massive con that's been. Somehow convincing people that "business" equalled "market." Like a political party convincing people it's "democracy.") Property, money, economic growth, innovation & techno change - these terms are grasped only to use as sticks.

Most important to me, they don't get that human needs & wants & satisfaction are different from the adman's "choices." I think we need to strengthen the OTHER economic spheres, the other means we have to meet our needs/wants/dreams - beyond the "market." Markets are amazing when well-defined, and best at driving sectors through rapid change. In those areas, I'm happy to see high private returns, and high risks. Mostly in fields or segments where you'd see venture capital running wild today.

But the state has real capabilities as well, we're just less likely to see it these days. You need history books or lots of travel to see what's possible here. A small instance. We have public auto insurance here. Works great. Cheap, fast, simple, and yes, even innovative. Health care? Ditto. There's better & worse aspects, and innovation moving unevenly - but the private role, the areas roped off for "markets," is defined.

Beyond Market & State are the economic fields that were 20th Century killing fields. We don't even have useful words for them anymore - community, mutual, coop, self-sufficiency, neighborhood. Most important perhaps, our abilities to teach ourselves, and produce our own goods. People bought millions of videos on how to WALK, Des. Hundreds of millions of people lost the ability to SING. Now, a lot of those basic human functions are being re-stimulated - Guitar Hero & the Wii - but first we had to kill off the formerly existing, and staggeringly impressive, human ability to sing, play instruments, dance, play. Now we're recreating it, but in a different way. I'm hoping it springs loose from all those rec rooms, and infects the rest of life, but I donno how that'll turn out. But note - this ISN'T me arguing that the state should take over music, I'm just pointing at some casualties of our State vs Market battles.

I could go on, but ♥'ly for you.... won't. Smoke break.

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I didn't mean to imply that banking is up there with putting men on the moon, but there are staid old areas where they compete, and sometimes they compete by who can get around new regulations the best and such, and there have been occasional innovations that allow them to be much more efficient in the loan business, tracking investments, marketing, etc. Even if it's not that tough, compared to pandering to government constituents, it probably is rocket science.

Regarding islands and seas, corporations are more like those grassreed floes like the Sargasso Sea - they'd love to be islands unto themselves - firmly like monopolies or at worst oligopolies, but often still get moved by tides and occasional hurricanes/tsunamis.

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Yes to your 2nd para. They'd like to make them islands, but they erode. Yep. But the banks... I'm still not with you, though I'd be happy to find some angles that convince. Every bank here now has offices full of little investment advisors, to talk to you about where your savings (ha!) & retirement monies should be invested. I've got a game going with my guy. I give him 10%, to put into what HE most recommends. He's drowning. When I asked him about his background, it amounts to some of those courses they give financial advisor people, plus various seminars to get the latest "Expert Advice." Farce. (Got family members doing it too, just don't want to slur them in print.)(Whoops.)

Banks "marketing"? Why? Canada has (basically) 5 national banks. They're staid. We all love to hate them. (And I've had accounts at every one.) Significant differences - beyond sexy marketing - none. EXCEPT for how deep they got into various "ventures" - US investments, speculative crap. But when it began to come out that they were doing this, they got their chain yanked. And today where is our banking sector? The strongest in the OECD. And where's our economy? Strongest.

So if their marketing is a charade/waste, and their investment advice worse than talking to a child, we're left with "efficiency in the loan business." What does that amount to? Here, it meant putting computer-based systems into Toronto & taking the decisions away from local branches. The finance & techie boys then get to "adjust" the parameters for making loans. And my oh my, THAT'S been a staggering success, I can tell you - not. They get to lay off branch loans managers... and replace them with these investment turds.

I guess what I'm saying is, staid, steady, safe business is what I want in core banking functions. They gave us that - until the fancy financial instrument salesmen arrived. And thank God we yanked that chain. I may want venture capital to be creative, but I'm still scratching my head on financial functions beyond that where I want or need innovation. Do you have some experience pro/con the innovations that you really loved? You know, REALLY ♥'ed?

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Careful with this "REALLY ♥'ed" stuff - just got the fires tamped down on another thread, lucky didn't take down the whole site.

I probably have a different slant dealing with an emerging market and knowing a CEO who made a considerable shift in the consumer market just through one campaign. Along with other examples. Probably that kind of innovation isn't present in the US/Canadian markets, whatever the MBA books blather on about.

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Where a field is more "open," and the need & solution is there, and the state siting on its fat ass, I'm fine on corps & markets revving their engines and getting in there. And it's precisely in areas like that, when the State decides it owns everything by default, and you have to fight past the bureaucrats, that the argument shines.

I just feel like we're just fat, stupid, old & slow over here. Really. The "market" seems to 90% consist of people who want quick kill paper gains... while the state won't move 'til we're all living in root cellars. i.e. Plague on both. Going back to my plow.

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This is just an irrelevant additional comment to show I am the champion Long Comment Dude of TPM, and shall brook no challengers (Dij.) Read my comment, and tremble earthlings.

I. AM. QUINN.

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I always thought being concise and to the point was a virtue, so I'll let you and Dij fight it out for who can be the most long-winded knowing that it's better to just say what you need to say and get off the phone rather than dragging out the conversation and running up the phone bill (which more applies to say Europe where they charge per second/impulse rather than the US where they're used to flat rates), and overall this overuse of little blogging features doesn't impress me since I've been down this Web road since the beginning so one more attribute in your CSS one more number for the road is hardly something to crow and write home about unless you're a tech geek which I didn't take you for, so now that you've stated so boldly who you are or at least what your name is I assume that I can have you trembling as well knowing that I can keep you here the whole night, all night, and there's something in the air tonight and tonight's the night and one more Saturday night and I can keep this churning out forever and a day (night) knowing you're caught in my extended metaphor and it's just tough shit for catching the last train home, you will be one tired m******* f******* after you've hoofed it across town with heels and soles burning, so say goodnight John Boy, goodnight John Boy, use a little Robitussin for that wheeze and a bit of calendula on those aching dogs, and know that the dogs in Topanga Canyon never sleep, or at least not much.

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Damn.

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