A Question on Trolls


Its been proven over and over the past couple decades that the Democrat's biggest problem is that they are seen as pussies.  Specifically -

(1) that they have no core beliefs, nothing they will stand up for
(2) so afraid of "appearing weak" that they vote with the republicans even when they disagree, making them appear...weak
(3) afraid that if they take a stand against a guy with 30% approval ratings, they risk appearing "un-american"
(4) they frequently highlight the fact that they "voted differently than their base wanted", proving they "aren't liberal nut anti-american pussies like their base!"
(5) once in power, refuse to use that power to hold Republicans accountable for their crimes and political misdeeds...even though the Repubs did far worse when they were in power.  As in, "lets just let Rove go here, why press on, he only broke the law and harmed our country.  Why do we need to know the specifics anyway?"  (Why is it on issues like this they DO NOT do as the Repubs do?  The Repubs go after innocent people and crush them using their oversight powers.  Or you know, use the AG office to put innocent people in jail who are running for Gov.)

Now, with that in mind, what are we to do with all the trolls here on TPM?  Those that pretend they are Obama supporters, but then tell us its "great to move to the center, how brilliant!"  Or, "who cares about FISA!  Just shut up!"  Or, "Shut up for during the next 4 months!  Be silent!"  You know, all those things that will cause Obama to lose his base, appear like a pussy who fears the Repubs, a guy who doesn't believe in his own ability to convince the voters of what the correct stance is on various issues - esp. those concerning the constitution which he took a pledge to uphold.

Obviously these trolls simply want us to do what we've done in all previous losing campaigns - NOT THIS TIME you McCain trolls.  I want Obama to fight.  I want Pelosi and congress to hold Rove accountable.  I want them to vote down any FISA "agreement" that includes immunity for AT&T et al.

I am not going to "shut up".  I am not going to cheer when Obama moves to the center (then states he is not), causing his base to lose enthusiasm.  A move that will show the "up for grabs" voters that he's just a typical poll, no different than the others.  I know you McCain trolls would love that, but you're far too obvious.

Nice try. 

For Clarification - What you Expect from Obama


I've seen it mentioned by many that the WAR (among many other issues) is a far more important issue than FISA.  So, out of curiosity, I thought it would be interesting to have Obama supporters share their *specific* opinion on what Obama will do re: the War.  No one knows until he actually does it, but everyone has to have a personal opinion on what the War will look like once he's been in office for a year.  That is:

(a) Will there be more than 100,000 troops in Iraq?
(b) Will he work for permanent bases in Iraq?
(c) Will he assert the War must be continued for our national security, or will he assert we've done our job and its time to get out?
(d) Will he take a hawk-like position with Iran?
(e) Odds we'll end up in a war with Iran due to our "national security interests", or because they're "supplying weapons to the insurgents", etc.?
(f) Or, I don't know, whatever he does will be right, cause thats all the guy does.

There may have been a post like this I've missed, but those of you that trust him, how do you see him handling the war?

My opinion - it will be almost identical to the Bush Admin's handling of the war. 

Like I said, no one can be right; I could be incredibly wrong.  I'm just wondering what the general belief is.

Please People - Get Over it and Unite


* When reporter Leslie Stahl asks about the infamous Bush v. Gore decision, Scalia lashes out, “Get over it. It’s so old by now.”

* America's Broken Electoral System - Get over it, says mainstream press
Fair.org

* To be honest, what these folks should really do is either go to Iraq and do the jobs they signed up for or resign. But most of them are probably too cowardly to leave their cushy government jobs over an objection to the current President’s policies. So they’ll whine about the danger instead.
Foreign Serivice Officer Tells Colleagues to "Get Over It"

* A state legislator said black people "should get over" slavery and questioned whether Jews should apologize "for killing Christ," drawing denunciations Tuesday from stunned colleagues.

* Barack Obama and White Media Shock! Get over it American WASP! by Ted Duplessis
People of color aren't entitled to kiss Barack Obama's ass and the white media will have to get the fuck over it!  Black people can be dumb and tricked into the voting for this man but he will seal their doom and jail cells when they are jobless in the U.S. due to another wave of amnesty for cheap, foreign Mexican labor.

* Ever since George Bush was re-elected, conservatives have been telling liberals to "get over it."

and on and on.  You're in good company to those who like responding with "Get Over It" rather than anything with substance.

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