I feel sick today
I worked late last night and just woke up about an hour ago. Came online, glanced at Yahooo news, then came straight to TPM. After reading halfway down the front page and scrolling through the rest of the headlines, I want to go back to bed and hide under the covers.
Tom Daschle's reputation muddied and a good man who would've pushed through health reform lost. Republicans determined to destroy us all. The quote from BD sums it up well.
Where is Obama? Why isn't he all over the TV calling them out for what they are? You tried working with them, O. Now it's time to run right over them and back up a couple of times to grind in the tire marks. Make them pay. Make them think twice before they screw with you again.
And give us the stimulus package we NEED, not the one they're trying to jam down our throats. Politics is dirty. You can't get anything done if you try to stay above the fray. All the great presidents understood that. Even Lincoln.
Mitch McConnell and John McCain and Mr. Boner are not your father who abandoned you. You're not going to win their approval. Give it up and get the job done.
Tom Daschle's reputation muddied and a good man who would've pushed through health reform lost. Republicans determined to destroy us all. The quote from BD sums it up well.
Where is Obama? Why isn't he all over the TV calling them out for what they are? You tried working with them, O. Now it's time to run right over them and back up a couple of times to grind in the tire marks. Make them pay. Make them think twice before they screw with you again.
And give us the stimulus package we NEED, not the one they're trying to jam down our throats. Politics is dirty. You can't get anything done if you try to stay above the fray. All the great presidents understood that. Even Lincoln.
Mitch McConnell and John McCain and Mr. Boner are not your father who abandoned you. You're not going to win their approval. Give it up and get the job done.
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I have to agree with you, Debbie. I'm glad Obama tried to extend a hand, but when you do that and get bitten hard, you need to rethink sticking it out there without a glove on.
The Republicans have shown that they are more interested in destroying the country rather than have a Democrat be successful at saving it.
I'm beyond appalled.
February 3, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
A loud second, Stilli.
February 3, 2009 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's terrible. Damn repubs just kept on and on and on pointing out Daschle is a felonious tax fraud. I mean, nobody's perfect.
Repubs even pointed out Al Capone got a ten year federal sentence for the same crime as Daschle. Now THATS guilt by association.
Just because they committed the same felonies doesn't mean they have similar characters. I mean, we need good people like Daschle in this cabinet. He fits in with the rest of the tax frauds. They work hand in hand. Damn repubs!!!
February 3, 2009 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Renaye, go back to opining on porn, your area of expertise. You just kinda get lost when you try to jump in on the big topics.
February 3, 2009 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle got what he deserved. The last thing we need is another lobbyist on Obama's team. And what happened to Obama's promise to keep lobbyists off of his team?
February 3, 2009 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you have nothing to contribute to the subject at hand, why don't go to a thread dealing with your world of pornography, atheism, debauchery, sexual perversion, and your relentless and Godless crusade against American morality.
You're way out of place here, and I'm not the only one noticing it.
February 4, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, there will be a whole lot of Republicans getting their ten years for lying us into a war, ruining America's moral capital as a result of torturing and murdering, and destroying our Constitution. I won't get into all of the contractor corruption and substandard performance on no-bid cost plus contracts. Then again you probably don't care about that because the criminals have an R in from of their name.
February 4, 2009 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tain't gonna happen, tain't gonna happen.
I reject the greater part of your innuendo, but if there's precedent for 'lying us into war', Roosevelt would be prosecuted posthumously.
Roosevelt and his cohorts lied us into the greatest European conflagration in HISTORY, and nothing was said about it. Just heed my words, Tain't nothing gonna happen.
February 4, 2009 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
There you have it! Renaye disapproves of the US involvement in WWII. Why respond to Pearl Harbor? Just because Hitler wanted to invade Great Britain so he could rule all of Europe was no reason to stop him. Renaye, yu got your avatar on this thread, now go away. You have neve brought a single thought worth consideration in the weeks you've been here.
February 4, 2009 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
FDR did lie to get us into World War II, notwithstanding the need to fight back against such aggression. He wasn't the first or last president to lie us into a sticky situation either.
It isn't fair to pick and choose which Constitutional violations are OK from an historical and which ones need the hammer brought down. We have been a particularly blood-thirsty country under a number of political parties. Pretty much before the ink was dry on the Preamble.
Unless your argument is that FDR should have been prosecuted as well. At least that is intellectually honest.
February 4, 2009 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, dumbass,
I qualified my comment. The China Sea and Europe are thousands of miles apart. Two different wars, get it?? Dumbo? If you don't have a globe, you need to buy one.
The 1930's German territorial expansion was an internal European thing, dumbo, until England stuck their nose in it and attacked Germany.
Then Churchill began cajoling his old childhood playmate Roosevelt into sacrificing the lives of thousands of American farm boys because he felt his empire threatened. We had less business in the European war than we have in Iraq.
The Third Reich had no designs on England, or it's colonies. Read a little history.
February 4, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually am forced to agree for many of the same reasons.
No one ever prosecuted Johnson for the Gulf of Tonkin or Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs or Bill Clinton for Waco. In fact, Johnson is hailed as the great progressive for the modern democratic party despite the number of Vietnamese civilians he killed. An irony that is lost on most American liberals, though it doesn't really make me think less of the guy. History isn't quite so black and white as we have been led to believe.
OK. I am now back to my normal state of disagreeing with most of what renaye posts.
February 4, 2009 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you will agree with this;
At any point an administration prosecutes the administration it replaces, a totally unacceptable precedent will be set in this country which would result in untold economic and social turmoil.
The people who even pine for such prosecutions are childishly shallow.
February 4, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would, for the most part.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't start a new precedent of upholding the Constitution, notwithstanding the fact that we never have as a nation. It must be sober and methodical, but if laws were broken and trust violated, at a certain point we need to have a standard that such behavior is unacceptable.
At the end of the day, Congress is the most responsible for this trend as it was their duty to place a check on the executive branch.
February 4, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
All that's well and great. Only problem is, we've been endowed with human shortcomings.
February 4, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
And ... what? We give up asny epxectation of integrity?
February 4, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
An expectation of integrity?? How laughable!!!
Greg, honey,
If you had an expectation of integrity, why??,, in the hell??,, did you support someone who attended a church for 20 years in which the mantra was 'God damn America'?? Who was in bed with, and had a domestic terrorist ghost write his books, and bought real estate from a mobster on his way to jail?? Why Greg??
And now at this point in time you're expecting integrity?? What a talent for denial!!! Now that's what I call waking up in a different world every day!!!!
February 4, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
God damn America is a mantra if you put one sermon in a loop and play it over and over and over. Just because you repeat the one sermon several times does not mean he gave it over and over and over. That was just FOX News playing the same tape, over and over and over.
As for the ghost writing, that's pure fantasy. What kind of evidence do you have for such an absurd notion. That is a reflection of what you want to bellieve about Obama, not what is real.
Ho,me buying from a mobster, in Chicago?!? Who else sells homes in Chicago? Who is expecting integrity now?
Renaye, honey, it's not all a conspiracy, just some of it. Ya gotta think about these things a little longer because your running on some pretty weak information.
February 4, 2009 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on. Let's have honest commentary instead of guilt-by-association crap that has no place in actually discussing the issues. The Wright stuff was a media fabrication. If you can't accept that truth, you are even more idiotic than you appear at first glance.
February 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on. This is hyperbole of the worst sort.
Republicans aren't to "destroy" the country anymore than democrats are out to ram social programs down the throats of conservatives. Life is a little more complex than what can fit ona bumper sticker. These are political differences that will be worked out in committee like every other bill in history.
How does someone get re-elected for "destroying" the country?
I suspect that it more likely that they would rather not have to vote for something with a lot of ideological pork for them, regardless of the percentage of the overall package. I suspect that many of these "destroyers" could be brought around with slightly different spending priorities.
Now was not the time to press for pet projects and Obama should have warned Congressional dems going in. Unless, of course, this was all a ruse to get republicans to support more ambitious spending on big ticket infrastructure projects in order to get democrats to agree to remove their sacrificial lambs.
Could be Obama is still playing chess while the rest of the democratic party wonders why he isn't screaming, "King Me!"
February 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jason, do you actually believe this?
I'm not going to put the full weight of responsibility only on the GOP in Congress, by any means, but...how many bills are permanently stuck in committee?
February 4, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually only meant to quote the second sentence.
February 4, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see this bill getting stuck in committee with the amount of coverage it is getting, but I do think that a little less ideology and a little more common sense is required. My main point was that the process is a lot less less black and white than what was offered here as commentary.
February 4, 2009 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you except for the last paragraph. That's an ugly little nonsensical cheap shot.
February 3, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. I can be cheap sometimes.
February 3, 2009 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
But you always hold yer head up high.
WHAT!!!!!
February 3, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah...but, never easy ;)
February 4, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign.
February 3, 2009 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I did Dallas before I retired and started doing nothing.
February 4, 2009 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dammit. That was meant to be a reply to mjeffin.
February 4, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle fought the good fights when the Dems were in the toilet and it looked like Rove would win a new Rainbow Coalition forever. A rainbow of hate, and distrust of the Constitution and fear of foreign invaders.
Tom is a good man. But I do not know the fight going on behind the scenes. I know that if Tom did not see the votes or did see some offal being thrown on the New Administration, he would resign.
Or withdraw his nomination or whatever is the proper term.
I have no problem discussing this and I recommend your post as always.
February 3, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle helped lead us into Iraq, a thoroughly unnecessary disater that has killed about a million people. He's a standard Washington insider pol. He wasn't going to "lead" us to anything great on health care other than the usual ineffective mishmash bill of insider compromises, and he can easily be replaced.
And if he wanted this new job he should have been more careful about the presents he took.
Obama should go out and go to the wall against Republicans who are "sullying" Daschle? C'mon. Daschle sullied himself.
February 3, 2009 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm angry but I don't feel sick. Obama's eye is on the prize .... the most immediate of which is a stimulus package that will work. And to get that he needs some Republicans, not many but some. Going after the whole party with a big gun, much as they deserve it, isn't going to get him those few needed votes. In the meantime, as sick as people are of pay-to-play and tax cheats and the rest, they are sick of the nasty attack mode of governing. I get the feeling, out here in the hinterlands, that McCain, McConnell, Boehner, et al. are playing to each other and their base ...... but not winning them any fans out in the real world. ----- So, frustrating as it is, I think Obama is handling things right, going for the immediately necessary and the long-range other goals and ignoring for the most part the hysterical carping. Remember how he drove us crazy during the campaign but not coming out with the round-house punch when it seemed soooooo needed? But he won. So I have faith. Or at least hope. Both are good. (But that doesn't mean that *I'm* not angry as fire at what these people are willing to do. It's utterly disgusting.)
February 3, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get out of my head, E2. :-)
February 3, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm angry too. So angry that I have been calling Congressional republicans all sorts of names today. But Team Obama always seems to have a plan and they follow that plan at their own pace. So, I can wait a bit to see it play out.
February 3, 2009 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Orlando, nothing really. I just like saying--er writing Orlando. Let us pray and let us await the new ERA.
February 3, 2009 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If team Obama's criminal records are any indication, they don't have a plan, it would be more like a felonious plot!!!!
February 3, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The guys love the way you say "felonious." Come back to the Kitty Kat Klub, Renaye -- they need some ethnics like you!
February 3, 2009 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a feeling I'm being stalked.
February 4, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, not at all. You are being ridiculed.
February 4, 2009 7:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had a one-trick pony once. It got old and my parents sold it to the glue factory. So, be careful is all I'm sayin'.
February 3, 2009 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really, too silly to comment on.
February 4, 2009 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really, it's not too silly. A tad understated maybe, but not too silly.
February 4, 2009 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are clearly thinking YIKES!
February 3, 2009 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neat little enigma, aint't it? I'm sowing clues like a farmer, are you sharp enough to pick up on 'em?
February 4, 2009 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, you are a neat little enema!
February 4, 2009 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the matter of "feloniusness", Team Obama looks like the cherubim and the seraphim rolled into one compared to the team that surrounded the simian cretin who masqueraded as the "president" for the past eight years. Yet you're still groupies. That is some toxic Kool-Aid.
February 4, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing to add, E2 and Boyd -- except thanks, for your sanity. Both of you make so much sense to me, so much of the time.
February 3, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Team Obama appears to have two or three pklans at once all of which are flexible without losing their purpose completely. I'm confident he can get it done and, if not, we are in for a serious worsening of the economic crisis and everyone will know the Dems tried to get things done but the Reich had a tantrum and could not play nice.
Take courage. There are many Republicans fleeing their posts like rats on a sinking ship. Rachel Maddow had a list of about a half dozen remarking they will not run again. Typical immature behavior. If they can't have it their way they will not play. If it's going to take some effort, count them out. Glad to see them creating more jobs for the Dems. It's always better to have people willing to work and gets their hands dirty then these well-dressed slackers who can't bring themselves to consider anyone else but themselves.
February 3, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Gregor, but the idea that departing incumbent seats will automatically go to dems is a little premature.
A more realistic goal would be to use humility and common sense to inspire republican voters to look for a better choice in the primary than the same old, same old. A good portion of the moderate conservative vote will follow the lead of smart, pragmatic leadership no matter who provides it.
Raise the bar. Walk the walk. Live up to those core values. Assuming the entire republican party is going to disappear as a result of Obama taking office isn't really in keeping with historical trends and does nothing to advance your stated goals for the country.
February 4, 2009 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be sorry, JEM. It's really quite simple. I'm living in the moment and the Republican leadership has nothing. Sure, in the trenches there are always going to be Republican faithful desperately seeking to believe their Party is something it is not. I agree with their vision of what they wish it to be in some respects.
The Bush Administration was a walking atrocity and yet, even after all was said and done, he held what, 17%? Where were these sheep while the whole thing was being reported? I think we all expected the media to do more with the problems that arose in real time. I think we all expected the Congress to do something more with the problems as they arose. But the truth is that the MSM reported things that never caught fire in Congress of with a sufficient block of people to result in any change. I believe the populace would have been ignored anyway. In fact, with a million people outside the RNC Convention, one would have thought that might have been a wake up call, but it was ignored.
There will always be a remnant. The Republican Party will be back some day, but it won't be any day soon until they can bring real leadership again. Right now, I'm not seeing anyone taking charge other then Rush Limbaugh, and if that's not the tail wagging the dog, I'm not sure what is. I believe you have your determined hpe in the Republican Party, but I also believe it is mor based on who you know among your peers that are good and decent people rather then there being any good and decent people in the Republican leadership today.
February 4, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same could have been said about the democratic party in 1995. Took ten years for them to remove their heads from their rears and to begin to half-ass live up to their ideals. Most are still right on the edge of hypocrisy. Paradigm shifts are only obvious in hindsight.
February 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle wasn't exactly a "good man".
Unless by good man you mean a Democrat that is in bed with the corporations instead of a Republican.
This is good... it will elevate tensions and maybe the people will finally break through and no more one party (corporation party) rule!!!
February 3, 2009 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link...I'm telling you, we need to do something about this sleaze factor...I can't help but think that a 3rd or 4th or 5th party wouldn't make much difference. For some reason, power has a corrupting influence (power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely) Seems like we're better off cleaning up what we have, rather than making more dirty parties.
February 3, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a clear thought.
February 3, 2009 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yikes! is right. Read Glenn Greenwald on just how sleazy and sick the whole D.C. sewer is. And how the Daschles are the epitome of elitism/fascism. The Daschles may look Apple Pie, but don't take a bite.
It's poison.
February 3, 2009 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is Debbie sick? We don't need any more lobbyists on Obama's team. Daschle got paid $2mm over the last year or two - and for what? for doing nothing. And he has been collecting money from the same industry that he was nominated to regulate. C'mon - that's not the change that Obama said he would bring. That's why you don't see Obama pushing back. Sorry D
February 3, 2009 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why someone insists on calling that a "good man" is beyond me.
Blinders off, please!!!
February 3, 2009 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have to agree with this one, Bill.
I suspect Barack trusted Daschle to push the Administrations reforms using his insider info, which is why he overlooked his tax problem. Obama didn't really do much but take responsibility because his gamble didn't pay off.
It certainly can't be seen as his not bringing change. Until Daschle pursued his own agenda vice the president's goals, this could have merely been a strategic appointment with many layers of complexity.
I am sure you didn't mean this comment to be as simplistic as it sounds. Seems a little hypocritical to cry foul for Obama playing the game the voters have set up for him.
February 4, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Debbie obviously agrees with Steve Clemons and the view that the Republicans did it.
2. Ezra Klein doesn't see it as a Republican hit, but as a shrewd move by the Obama administration.
3. Noam Scheiber takes Klein's view and expands on it:
I have no idea who is correct, but it's worth taking a look at all three viewpoints, I think.
Good post, Debbie.
February 4, 2009 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK. I've looked at all sides and viewpoints now. I'm in with Debbie and Clemons.
Rather than driving over a cliff, let's just run over Republicans. It's the patriotic thing to do.
February 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle was one of Senator Obama's earliest and most prominent supporters back when the nomination was conceded to Senator Clinton by all the experts and pundits. I never thought much of Daschle when he was Senate Democratic leader in Bush's first stolen term---whether in majority or minority, he seemed ineffectual.
It didn't look like President Obama backed Daschle very hard in this episode. He went to the mat for that tax-cheat guy at the Treasury, though. All in all, NOT YET very much evidence of "change we can believe in."
All during the campaign, Mr. Obama told his liberal supporters that their continued activism would be needed once he was elected. So let's not sit back and say, "Team Obama has a plan and everything will work out."
The two million people who went to Washington for the inauguration should be followed by a million more going to demand the Democrats in Congress and the Obama administration forget about placating the Republican traitors AND GET RADICAL!!
Lincoln was bogged down and the Union kept getting beaten until the Emancipation was issued and black troops were recruited. FDR campaigned as a humdrum hack, but when he took office he got radical and more radical after the 1934 mid-terms---listen to the denunciation of the moneychangers in the temple from FDR's inaugural speech . . . it makes more sense and reflected the economic and political reality a lot better than Obama's speech did.
Forget the hot air about bipartisanship and get to work---there's a REASON the voters kicked out the Republicans, and that reason WASN'T that the voters wanted to appease and capitulate to the Republicans on every point of contention!
And if the administration and Congress don't figure this out, their support will evaporate in cynicism, despair, and frustration.
A tactic or strategy which makes for a successful election campaign may not be the right formula for success once the campaign is over and the term of office begins. Stop posturing and start governing!!!
February 4, 2009 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hear! Hear! Hear!
February 4, 2009 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I voted for Obama so he Wouldn't appoint tax dodging all but lobbyist to government positions. I say good on Obama. If you think the Republicans shamed him into it you need to look again. Obama doesn't do shame. I am screaming for health care reform and it isn't going to happen with republicans smearing the crap they find in the democrats toliet all over the place and the media in orgasms over the crap smearing action, not the health care reform.
February 4, 2009 4:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle and his wife are snakes.
Are the same people crying over him crying over Duke Cunningham and William Jefferson?
I had no confidence he would really reform health care. Push for Howard Dean instead.
And for more on Daschle if you didn't read Greenwald already:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/01/daschle/index.html
February 4, 2009 6:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The GOP pretend to care so deeply about the stimulus, when it is patently obvious and a derelict of their duty to the public, that the GOP are working furiously for the next elections and not the peoples' economic crisis looming so large at this time. Some Republican Pundits charged with this task, call the Stimulus a stinking corpse, before it is even born, instead of what it is -- a valuable work in progress for this country. Like any creation, in the early stages, it is chaos and not fully formed, such as a fetus, a painting, any work of art, and yet the artist ploughs on knowing the beauty to be eventually created. Why in the world, would some Pundits criticize the early form instead of giving support, is beyond the pale, especially when they know to publically criticize it is to get the ball rolling to derail it. May be they do not love this country more than their party affiliation! These pundits sit in their high-paying jobs, so lofty, and pick apart every little thing someone says or does, Wears...., with nothing good to say, like their word is God or gold -- as they no longer report the news but give their Opinions about the news. There was a time when we were taught as Americans, if you have nothing good to say about anyone, say nothing at all. We have lost that. These Pundits are a part of the problem and not the solution.
At this critical stage in our rapidly-crumbling economy, it would seem that the Republican Senators would do everything they can to do something, to tell the American people, I am on your side, and not always to quickly say no to the middle class and the little people; no to schools, education, infra structure, green jobs, all of which have too long been denied and neglected and Yet, always yes to the Special Interest Groups, to wars, to big oil and their tax breaks.
It is a sad fact that for average American citizens, the GOP is becoming the party of NO! We can not depend on the GOP to help us, they never have. In 2010, we will know what to do.
February 4, 2009 7:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not worried about HHS right now, I'm worried about the stimulus and more specifically what a lame job Obama has been doing over the past week of promoting it. The Republicans have managed to seize the agenda and nitpick it to death. Obama needs to fight this by dropping stuff that doesn't take effect in the first year and taking to the airwaves to promote the rest of it. But we've seen no such forceful move and now even Republican "moderates" are digging their teeth into the real meat of the package, stuff that is needed now.
February 4, 2009 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Decisive, I posted this yesterday. Your comment is exactly what I was saying in my own poetic way:
I'm worried about the stimulus and more specifically what a lame job Obama has been doing over the past week of promoting it. The Republicans have managed to seize the agenda and nitpick it to death. Obama needs to fight this by dropping stuff that doesn't take effect in the first year and taking to the airwaves to promote the rest of it. But we've seen no such forceful move and now even Republican "moderates" are digging their teeth into the real meat of the package, stuff that is needed now.
The bulk of my complaint wasn't about Daschle, it was in the link I included, which apparently no one bothered to read. It was about Republican obstructionism, how they would prefer to defeat the stimulus package and see the country destroyed rather than allowing Obama to succeed.
February 4, 2009 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what made me feel sick.
February 4, 2009 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not seeing anything I didn't expect. Obama is governing as promised and the people who don't want things to change are diggin in.
there is firmly entrenched power and money out there that wants Obama to fail. The people who supported him for president can't sit back now. They need to find ways to support him here and now by calling, writing, being vocal on the net and generally doing anything they can to add to his popularity and power base.
February 4, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note to all: Eric just posted a note about a new poll showing the public is turning against the stimulus plan:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/poll-public-turning-against-stimulus-bill.php
That's what I'm talking about, that's what's making me feel sick. Obama is allowing the Republicans to drive the agenda. And they're driving us all right over the cliff.
This is not a time for playing it cool. It's time to fight.
February 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The poll is a clear outlier according to 538.com. Eric didn't preface the information with any corroborating details. I think he should be called to the carpet.
While the GOP is seizing the mainstream agenda, the rest of us are clutching our pearls because the GOP has seized the mainstream media agenda. This is absurd. The mainstream media is assuredly a propoganda wing of elite business interests. The mainstream media lobbies the American people. Lobbying: pure and simple.
The blogosphere and alternative media, which is seizing more and more of the "market share" of ideas, needs to step up and defend the stimulus as necessary for the good of the economy. Instead, many good blogs are nitpicking it. It is not entirely the GOP. We on the left are doing a damn good job of attacking it as well.
Many of us are just as guilty of the mantra: The GOP sucks, but they have a point. We are always giving the GOP talking points credibility and then falling on the fainting couch when the public begins to do the same.
Many people are also equating the political process of bill passage with Obama. This is plainly a legislative act and is going through a metamorphoisis as it runs through the Senate digestive track. Which leads me to the next point:
Are there any polls being conducted about the tax cuts? Perhaps many people disapprove of the stimulus bill because of the corporate tax breaks? Maybe if the bill had less of those and more infrastructure, there would be broader outlier support... maybe this is an issue of poll interpretation, and the left is assuming the most negative perspective because we are a bunch of whipped dogs who are not ready to be alpha in the tribe.
February 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink