"THANK YOU FOR NOT BLAMING ME FOR THE REST OF MY PARTY'S INSANITY"
My friend Robby, God bless him, has endured my writing about him before, so I don't think he would mind if I do it again--this time, in response to a phone call he made to me today in which he really did say, as soon as I answered the phone:
"Thank you for not blaming me for the rest of my party's insanity."
Some of you may remember that Robby is my friend who is a bona fide, card-carrying right-wing Republican. A passionate gun collector and member of the NRA, he actually LIKES Ann Coulter and Ted Nugent ("I wish I was their illegitimate child"), Chuck Norris is one of his heroes, and he's one of the dwindling minority who believes George W. Bush was...well, if not actually a GOOD president...he, er, MEANT WELL.
You'd think we'd hate one another, but we've been friends for years, and no one else could have possibly been more supportive of me when my son was deployed--and I say that knowing that I gave him utter, outraged, infuriated HELL about Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld year after year, and he took it because he loves me and because he understood how terrified I was for my son. Eventually, he even came to see my point where the war was concerned.
But during the recent presidential campaign, Robby called me one day to say that he had given up listening to talk radio, something he had done faithfully for more than 15 years. The blatant racism he heard there was so offensive to him that he complained to me that, "My party ran away from me," and that, as far as people like Rush Limbaugh were concerned: "I don't know who they think I am when they claim to speak for conservative Republicans, because I am not that person."
Of course he voted for McCain, but he told me that, even though he disagreed with Obama on most things and would have preferred seeing a Republican back in the White House, he considered Obama to be calm, rational, reasoned, intelligent, and careful about making decisions.
(Something, by the way, my conservative Republican brother has also said.)
It was Robby who came to me when the viral e-mail campaign started going around in earnest to conservatives, claiming that Obama was dead-set to take away all our guns. Robby had checked those claims out himself, both in legitimate websites such as the NRA, and in right-wing political blogs, and said that, as far as he could tell, it was all sheer baloney.
"Obama has never said a single word, not during the campaign, and not since he's taken office, that would appear to validate these fear-mongering e-mails," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, they have been started and kept going by gun-sellers and others who stand to profit from panic-buying."
He was disgusted at that because it meant he couldn't find ammunition just to go to target practice, and felt that the constant hysteria whipped up by those e-mails--juxtaposed to Obama's calm, sensible demeanor--was making his party look crazier and crazier, which, as a lifelong Republican, he resented.
It's been one thing after another.
Today, he called because he was just so embarrassed, this time, by the whole Judge Sotomayor frenzy.
I said, "My husband just told me he'd gotten three e-mails today all about how Judge Sotomayor is going to take away all our guns."
With a heavy sigh, he said, "And yet, just yesterday, President Obama signed into law a provision that will allow gun enthusiasts to carry loaded weapons in national parks."
"I know," I said, "and there are a lot of us on the left who are dismayed at that. It was an ammendment stuck onto the budget by a conservative congressman, and he really wanted the budget passed, so he had to hold his nose and sign it."
"But that's the thing about it that I appreciate," he replied. "He didn't go before the cameras and make this big show about how he was being forced to sign the law even though he hated it. He just did it quietly. He knew that, the political reality of any sitting president is that they have to make onerous political sacrifices sometimes in order to get something bigger and more important passed later on. None of them like it, but they all have to do it eventually.
"The difference with Obama," he added, "is that he doesn't grandstand about it."
I commented about the presence of so many Blue Dog Democrats who'd been elected from very conservative states, such as Montana and Utah, who have pressed the president on gun rights. They have to be able to show their constituents that they have upheld their pro-life, pro-gun values. It doesn't mean that he has to sell out to them, but it does mean that he has to give them little victories now and then so that he can count on them later for the big things, like health care and energy legislation.
We talked about how, if the Republican Party really wants to keep from disintigrating, it is going to have to reach out to a few "Blue Dogs" in its own party, meaning, moderates like Colin Powell and others with more nuanced views on national security and more liberal views on social issues such as gay rights.
In other words, they have to move toward the middle. And in a situation such as the one facing Republicans right now--they'd better, if they want to survive.
Robby told me about a right-wing friend of his who still listens to talk-radio, and how frustrated he's grown with her blind acceptance of everything she hears there. "They're still talking about the Muslim connection," he complained. "Can you believe that?"
The thing is, Robby is a loyal Republican, and he is a conservative--make no mistake about that--but he feels that the party has tilted SO far to the right that now they seem to be embracing only the loudest, most extreme points of view as representative of the party as a whole, which he finds deeply embarrassing and deeply offensive. He knows there's a fairly obvious undercurrent of racism to the whole thing, and even though he's a white male redneck (and proud of it)--that does not mean he is racist.
My sister, who is also a conservative Republican, understands that very well. After the death of our daddy in his 40's, my mother moved my much-younger sisters to Texarkana, where they grew up. (I'd grown up in Dallas and was already in college and out of the house.)
So my sister pretty much embraced the whole Southern redneck, biker, beer-drinking, country-music-listening themes of that background, well into her adulthood. But a few years ago, after a particularly painful divorce, she moved, first to anything-goes Austin, where she lived for four or five years, and then to Abilene, which is also a conservative city, but not in the same way as Texarkana.
"Family values" yes. Racist attacks on a sitting president, no.
And over time, her viewpoints changed. Though still conservative in many ways, she was a big Obama supporter even before I was, only the campaign was much harder on her, emotionally, than it was for me, because she was still on the right-wing e-mail merry-go-round, and every day, she received the most vile, hateful, nasty stuff in her Inbox from her former "friends."
Usually, she'd forward them on to me to debunk, and even though she told some of the people on her list--or maybe BECAUSE she told them--that she was an Obama supporter, they continued to flood her mailbox with crap.
Eventually, she met a truly fine man, and fell deeply in love for possibly the last--if not the first--time in her life, and moved to be closer to him.
And then one day, she got an e-mail from one of her old right-wing friends. It was titled, "Ships Named for Presidents." There was the U.S.S. George Bush and the U.S.S. Bill Clinton, and so on.
Then there was the "U.S.S. Barack Obama."
And the photograph depicted a rattletrap Haitian refugee boat, laden with black people, some hanging off the edges.
This one was the proverbial camel-straw--immediately she responded to the "friend" who had sent it, saying, "I thought you should know that I have a new boyfriend whom I love very much. And he is an African-American."
She said she never heard from that person again. Doesn't expect to. Doesn't want to.
What these two stories of people close to me tells me is something that is verified by an op-ed written by Nicholas D. Kristof in today's New York Times: "Would You Slap Your Father? If So, You're a Liberal."
It starts out pretty funny, describing various studies that show the differences between, not just points of view of liberals and conservatives, but emotions as well.
In one study, participants were asked if they were performing in a comedy skit that required them to slap their fathers, and they asked his permission, and he said yes--would they do it?
Those who leaned liberal, the study said, would do so as long as Dad said it would be okay.
Those who leaned conservative would NEVER slap their fathers, under any circumstances, for any reason.
Kristof writes:
"The larger point is that liberals and conservatives often form judgments through flash intuitions that aren't a result of a deliberative process. The crucial part of the brain for these judgments is the medial prefrontal cortex, which has more to do with moralizing than with rationality. If you damage your prefrontal cortex, your I.Q. may be unaffected, but you'll have trouble harrumphing.
"One of the main divides between left and right is the dependence on different moral values. For liberals, morality derives mostly from fairness and prevention of harm. For conservatives, morality also involves upholding authority and loyalty -- and revulsion at disgust."
Referring to a column he'd written before on the subject of differences between liberals and conservatives, Kristof says he'd suggested that the best way for people of any persuasion to open themselves up to the best information (rather than spoon-feeding themselves from the pool of like minds), was to engage someone of the opposite point of view in lively debate from time to time.
But a scientist friend called Kristof on that theory, explaining that all such a process would do is "inflame antagonisms."
In other words, neither of us would change our minds, but would most likely wind up with wounded feelings and maybe a cutting-off of a relationship.
So how, as Kristof says, "do we discipline our brains to be more open-minded, more honest, more empiracal?"
It seems we should follow the example that has been set by our own president:
"A start is to reach out to moderates on the other side -- ideally eating meals with them, for that breaks down "us vs. them" battle lines that seem embedded in us. (In ancient times we divided into tribes; today, into political parties.) The Web site www.civilpolitics.org is an attempt to build this intuitive appreciation for the other side's morality, even if it's not our morality.
""Minds are very hard things to open, and the best way to open the mind is through the heart," Professor Haidt says. "Our minds were not designed by evolution to discover the truth; they were designed to play social games."
"Thus persuasion may be most effective when built on human interactions. Gay rights were probably advanced largely by the public's growing awareness of friends and family members who were gay.
"A corollary is that the most potent way to win over opponents is to accept that they have legitimate concerns, for that triggers an instinct to reciprocate. As it happens, we have a brilliant exemplar of this style of rhetoric in politics right now -- Barack Obama."
I wouldn't say that Robby or my sister started out as moderates, necessarily. But no matter what they believed politically, there was one thing that both they and I had in common--none of us could abide bigotry in any form.
This was a common ground we could build upon.
Most of my family and extended family members are very conservative. I find that when we get into lively political discussions, the best approach is to (a) remain silent on some of the crazier conspiracy-theory threads (b) stand up for my president when necessary, but do it with humor, humor, humor, and a respectful tone (c) search for common ground.
You would be surprised where you find it.
When one much-adored family member accused me of "not wanting to hear opposing points of view" because I refuse to listen to Bill O'Reilly, I named a raft of conservative columnists who I read, and said I wasn't crazy about, say, Chris Matthews, even though he's a liberal, because I don't like loud-mouths who interrupt and cut off their guests.
She confessed she didn't really like that much, either.
It's a start.
















I enjoyed your post!
The problem I get from some of my family is that they do make excuses for racist behavior, and its hard to sever them completely unless I want to avoid all family gatherings and such.
When I make a stand on the issue, I, of course, am just one of those stupid liberals that play the race card whenever I get a chance.
I try just to avoid politics if at all possible. If it weren't for sports, I don't think we'd talk at all :)
May 28, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I try just to avoid politics if at all possible. If it weren't for sports, I don't think we'd talk at all :)"
Your and six bajillion other families - unfortunately.
May 29, 2009 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Robby, for seeing the insanity in your party. And being man enough to admit it. And distance from it!
Sanity.
May 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frizzletoad, you make me laugh! Thank you for that!
May 28, 2009 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
So who, in the Republican Party as it exists today, is taking responsibility for its current state and behavior?
No one, if we are to believe Michael Steele. And no one, again, if we are to believe Robby.
And yet, THE mantra of that party revolves, and is thoroughly laced with, the use of that word:
Responsibility
Steele and Robby pretty much are, or represent, the polar ends of the party. In between the two...more of Steele and Robby: "It's not my fault." and "We're not going to be sorry."
Note that I am specifically not using the words fault, or blame, or anything like those. That choice is purposeful. Nor, it should be noted, am I asking "...and what are they doing about the state and behavior?"
I'm just saying, is all. Because it is the responsibility of a citizen to keep his mouth open.
May 28, 2009 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree chthonic, and not just because I'm defending Robby.
Like I said, I read conservative columnists quite frequently, and if you've got your ear to the ground, you would know that there is a titanic struggle going on right now within the Republican party for its own soul.
Now, they's different from us. Democrats thrive on open debate and sometimes, circular firing squads, as long as everybody gets their say and ultimately, the majority rules.
But Republicans are a much more top-down, disciplined party, as a general rule, so they tend to keep their titanic struggles underground, but do not deceive yourself--it's going on, all the time.
And right now there are plenty of Republican moderates, both in congress and out of it, who ARE taking responsibility, in that, they blame the party for tilting too far to the right and for running off their more moderate voices.
Some, like Colin Powell, are not afraid of anybody, from either party, and speak their mind, regardless of the consequences. This decorated combat vet could not care less what a fat-ass draft-dodging loudmouth has to say about him on the radio.
There was a huge party split after the last election, when the conservatives think they lost because they weren't MORE conservative. They attack their own moderates, claiming that they'd nominated a moderate, and look what happened?
But what happened was that their so-called "moderate" proceeded to embrace every far-right meme he could because he was pandering to their base, and THAT'S what happened, but "the base" refuses to accept that.
What is most likely going to happen is that the Party Purity Police are going to continue busting heads through another presidential election cycle, and when, once again, they get their asses kicked from coast to coast, then at long last, the right-wing nutters will be forced into blissful retirement and they will, indeed, start moving toward the center, which can only help the whole country in the long run.
May 28, 2009 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats thrive on open debate and sometimes, circular firing squads, as long as everybody gets their say and ultimately, the majority rules.
Good analysis, Deanie. My head was nodding through the whole comment. Except, I'm not so sure about the majority rules thing, though. I'd likely end your sentence with "...and ultimately, fairness and justice prevail."
May 28, 2009 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I almost answered my question with "Colin Powell?" But how anyone can take him seriously after his performance at the U.N. I can't quite grasp. Would you really call that speaking his mind, regardless of the consequences?
Maybe because he's decided he has nothing to lose, so we can finally be pretty sure he's speaking truthfully? I'm just asking.
And let's not talk about his investigation tangential to the Song My Massacre, where we first see Poor Colin in the dark regarding relevant (perhaps even salient) details.
Finally, and please don't take offense, but you did not answer my question, which really requires at least one name:
So who, in the Republican Party as it exists today, is taking responsibility for its current state and behavior?
May 28, 2009 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those who are, at the moment, dominating media attention as party spokespersons "take responsibility" proudly because they truly believe they are doing the right thing.
Here at TPM I have read quotes from several moderate Reps who have expressed regret for the mess the party is in and who have mentioned their desire to see it go in another direction, and if I had time or energy I'd do all this research and come up with names for you.
If you don't wanna take my word for it, that's fine.
But in a situation like this, it's not that simple.
Nobody "took responsibility" when the Democratic party was in disarray about the time Jimmy Carter was chasing Teddy Kennedy across the stage of the Dem Natn'l Conv., looking to shake his hand, which sent a disastrous signal to the Kennedy supporters and ultimately contributed to Carter's loss that year to Ronald Reagan.
Nobody "took responsibility" for the resulting disastrous presidiential runs of Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis. Our party did not pull itself out of the wildnerness until Bill Clinton came along and moved it toward the center, pretty much kicking and screaming, as I recall.
Party purists never forgave him for that, and proceeded to vote for Ralph Nader in 2000, knowing full well that the man stood no chance whatsoever to actually get elected, but insisted that there was no real philosophical difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush.
Remember that? No difference, they said!
Those several million votes contributed to Gore's loss in 2000. And I believe we saw a pretty dramatic demonstration of just what differences there might have been between the two administrations.
But nobody in the Dem party "took responsibility" for that, either.
I don't think in absolutes. I think in nuance. Shades of gray rather than black and white. I can't deliver a black or a white to you. You'll have to come up with that on your own, and good luck with it, because I don't think it serves either party very well.
May 28, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post, Deanie. Thanks!
May 28, 2009 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe the rifts in my extended family caused by my support of President Obama will ever heal. I've seen a side of them that disgusts me, and where I used to be the glue that held us all together, I just don't care anymore. I ignore the hateful e-mails they continue to forward to me, and have given up thinking that if I am just eloquent enough, they'll listen.
Now, our lifelong friends still love us, we just agree to disagree. They are respectful of the President in our presence, and we don't discuss politics...It feels fake, but I love them too much to lose them over it...
It's VERY nice that you and Robby are able to talk about it.
May 28, 2009 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still, my heart goes out to you dear. I know what you mean about those e-mails. What's up with that? I never send progressive e-mails to any of my conservative friends, but many of them continue to send me stuff all the time, KNOWING how I feel about it, as if they can somehow convince me if they keep up the brainwashing long enough.
I asked my sister, why?, one time, and she said it's because they're scared of what they see in those e-mails and are challenging me to prove them wrong because secretly they WANT to be wrong.
Once in a very great while I will refute with facts, but usually I just delete.
Robby and I don't send political stuff to one another, though we have been known to tease once in a while. We're respectful though and we don't WANT to risk the friendship over politics. I have other dear right-wing friends with whom I've agreed to disagree, but it's because they have respected the boundaries. There are a couple who have been so persistently nasty with e-mails that I took them out of my address book and stopped e-mail contact.
I know many people who split with family and friends in recent years over political differences, because Rove and company WANTED it that way with their wedge issues and hateful viral e-mails. Obama has tried to end that and I try to be at least as graceful as he is, but it's hard sometimes.
A sense of humor helps. And distance. Geographical distance is very helpful, I find, in keeping families together ha ha.
May 29, 2009 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gore Vidal, a liberal's liberal, once explained that he always got along very well with a close relative (I believe it was his grandfather) who was a raging conservative. He said it was because his grandfather believed that character was more important than ideology. If you can build a relationship based on mutual respect, you will listen to each other and progress might be made in understanding each other. If you rant and rave (as Rush Limbaugh does), you may preach to the choir but you won't make many converts.
May 29, 2009 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fascinating take from a Republican family. Very interesting to me...
I was always stuck with friends who were right wingers.
But I am happy to find this place. I really could not take it anymore.
May 29, 2009 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Deanie, an interesting and well written post. I wish that I possessed your writing skill.
May 29, 2009 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Deanie, I really appreciated your post before about Robbie, well because I could sympathize with your position with friends and family. As a child of a GOP lobbyist here in the south, I found the last two presidential elections tough. What started out as disagreements on issues with my father in 2004 turned into disagreements with what seemed the culture I grew up in. The amazing thing for me is that my father and mother have always stressed equality, as I think the civil rights movement had a profound effect on both of them, and my dad is an amazing character who came from a broken family and was pushed into raising his siblings almost single handedly. He is extremely caring, especially when it comes to women's issues, and has always been a volunteer and giving freely to certain charities. The election in 2008 was different in that he along with many others came to the conclusion that GWB had been a bad conservative and had performed under par in his duties as president. He actually voted for Obama in the primaries, but refused to tell me who he voted for on his presidential vote. Throughout the 2008 election I found that there was a distance growing between many of my friends with whom I grew up with. That has been hard, as I have felt at times as an outsider in the culture I grew up in. I have found that with some of my friends who I love I can agree to disagree and just not bring up politics but with others I can still have debates although to be fair it seems we are both still at odds. My sister who had just gone through a divorce in 2007 started dating an African - American during the election cycle. She had always identified herself as a southern conservative but her marriage situation and her new found romance led her down a road unexpected. She found herself for the first time experiencing the same sort of alienation that I was feeling. This of course, as well as some of the former experiences I listed, contributed to us growing much closer. Although I am still much more liberal/progressive than she is. These experiences have shaped our lives and I believe will make us closer and more understanding going forward. I think the time right now is an amazing time to live, albeit tough economically, and with the right fortitude, good food, spiritual guidance, a couple of drinks and a healthy dose of humor/humility we will all be the better for it. Plus we have great stories to tell.
May 29, 2009 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deanie, you are a fine writer.
But, I apologize in advance for having zero respect for a "moderate" who voted for the oldest possible potential President thereby putting Sarah Palin, an intellectual lightweight of the first order, a heartbeat away from the presidency. I realize that passions really do govern our actions and that these passions can overwhelm good sense, politeness and genteel society.
For decades I've been willing to nudge politely instead of grabbing folks and forcing them to look over the edge of the cliff into the abyss. And that's exactly how I've seen my country since the 2004 general election. On a scale, I would put my belief that America was heading in the wrong direction at 100%. Others will be considerably lower although above the 50% mark.
And this rules me. I refuse to leave the country as it stands for my grandchildren to inherit. And I refuse to stand silently as we nudge ourselves over the abyss. Others may choose as they will. But let's not discount our danger as a country or as a species based on the assinine policies we've had to endure supported by "moderates". Also note that the Republicans are voting as a bloc in Congress so I can't find those "moderates" even there.
May 29, 2009 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your post. I just thank God that nearly my entire family are transplanted New York liberals! We all live in Virginia so we got to enjoy swinging our red state blue.
I have plenty of conservative friends but the friends I keep are the ones you can have a good debate with not the wingnuts, I just can't handle any form of a personal relationship with someone who is that radical to the right or the left for that matter. Although I should say that my 20-Something year old cousin is probably a communist but we humor her and know she'll grow out of it eventually and at least grow into a Socialist or something.
May 29, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink