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And now Obama wants to replace you as a parent.
Time was, it was the parent's obligation in a free society to inform their children on the political values of the day they believe would best insure their liberty. Not now. Now Obama thinks its time the President step in and replace parents in this duty. It's just too important to get these little tots started off right rather than leave it to their parents muck it up.
Independents, are you listening?
ex animo
davidfarrar
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David, I won't recommend your post because it makes no sense. Here's a hint: Exaggerated claim designed to generate thermonuclear heat and zero light aren't my thing.
September 2, 2009 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Care to clue us in on what the hell you are talking about? Or is it nothing, as usual?
September 2, 2009 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama is planning to address all of the nation’s students on Tuesday, September 8, 2009, according to the U.S. Department of Education.
Before the speech, students are instructed to read books about Barack Obama. Teachers are asked to ask students “Why do you think he wants to speak to you?” referring to the President.
During the speech, students should think about the following “What is the President asking me to do?” and “What specific job is he asking me to do?” among other things.
After the speech, the questions that students should ponder include “Are we able to do what President Obama asks us to do?”
If the President wants to address my children, that's fine. Send me any material he may wish to expose my children to, and I, as a free citizen and the parent of my children, will decide whether his message should be presented to my children, not the government.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where do you get your info, because it bares no resemblance to the release sent out to schools by the Department of Education.
http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html
(emphasis added)And there is no associated reading assignment of the President's books or any book for that matter in the guidelines. Had you taken the time to do a little research you would have found this out yourself.
Finally, you are invited to watch and participate not commanded to.
So explain to me again how Obama is trying to usurp your power as a parent?
September 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is an opt-out procedure, I haven't seen it, nor have I been properly and individually noticed of Obama's intentions. If I am wrong in this regard, please advise.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMAO! I'm sorry, nothing further...
September 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No wait, there's this: suppose teachers were to ask their students to read up on the current President of the United States, or otherwise attempted to educate them in, oh I don't know, something so heinous as current events... well that would just be too diabolical to even contemplate and I think I'd have to slit my wrists because it would be the end of civilization as we know it.
September 2, 2009 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
But let's make sure to do a Bachmann Blood Brothers maneuver combined with the wrist-slitting.
September 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strange that you mention it... that very image popped into my head as I commented.
September 2, 2009 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
YOU have reproduced? Oh, shit! how many of your spawn ARE there exactly?
September 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems a shame he's waited until now. Seems like Sarah could really have used his advice on parenting in every area. Maybe there's still time to salvage the younger ones if she listens up now.
Hopefully, you'll drop her a note or call and tell her about this wonderful resource.
September 2, 2009 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, if George W. Bush had been addressing some students and had asked that they read some literature about him first and come up with questions for him, that would be just fine.
I don't see an issue here.
September 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
To help you see the issue a little more clearly, please click on "Leave Dem Chilrens Alone!!!!
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
This type of crap gives idiots a bad name. Really - this is the best you can do?
Oh, of course it is!
Are you capable of actually writing a post that is coherent, cohesive and compiled with facts, accurate punctuation and grammar?
Oh, of course you're not!
September 2, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the content you link to is probably not allowed here per the Terms and Conditions of TPM:
upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available ("Post") any Content:
- that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, false or inaccurate, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
September 2, 2009 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
David, the video you recommended starts by referring to Obama as the anti-Christ. Now.... you DO understand that if you are WRONG in this idea, that Obama is the anti-Christ, not only will you have greatly aided the REAL anti-Christ... but you will have almost certainly assured yourself a place in hell, as a false prophet.
Jest sayin'.
September 2, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
In david's defense: there unfortunately is no hell. Damn it to hell! There are many days I wish a burning hellfire was waiting for the likes of him, Cheney, and so many others.
That is why I really think we need to deal with crimes in the here and now, but I realize this is off-topic. but then david is always off-topic.
September 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
David (and I mean this in the kindest possible way, given the circumstances) would you please piss off to Red State, or little green footballs, or somewhere else that the average intelligence is asymptotically approaching 0?
You really should play with kids your own age.
September 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You make it tough to defend your more sensible blogs when you go off on paranoid rants like this one with zero substantiation. We are all entitled to tin-foil moments but this one is a doozy.
September 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was smiling at the though of you and CT showing up and having to defend this one, JEM! ;-)
I say we feed him to Wolfrum.
September 2, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speak of the devil. Look who showed up. :O)
September 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, because this dude has so many thoughtful and educational blog entries. I feel so enlightened every time he comes here.
September 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
David has had more than his share of stinkers, but I have recommended more than one his posts, which is more than I can say for 99% of the "writers" on TPM.
September 2, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS: I didn't recommend this one, but sometimes I do just to get the acceptance of idiotic ideas up to the top of the heap.
September 2, 2009 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking: President Obama wants to impregnate your wife!
"I was skimming through a mental health bill that's slogged down in the House. Anyway, the one part has something about workshops for women considering having their first child. At least that's what they'd like you to think. What's really happening?
Obama is going to impregnate your wives and create a super race of Barack Obama's!
Fucker.
...and .... scene
September 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome. Not sure if this is your real name or not, but if it is, I think you bring a whole new panache to building a blogging brand. Well done, sir!
September 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's his real name, but a fake picture.
In real life, he looks more like FloJo.
September 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard he impregnated a black woman --- twice! and she was married too.
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to him
September 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you insist on believing in and promoting LIES? Seriously, is someone paying you to do it?
You are a testament to why we need to focus on improving education in our country. I hope that someone teaches your children that you are not a competent source of factual information.
September 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will be addressing school children?
Well - at least it's nice to finally have a president who can speak in complete and grammatically correct sentences of more than 2 words.
September 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
This plot all started when John Kennedy tried to create a Democratic master race through the President's Council on Physical Fitness. I remember Sister Remigius, that Red Manchurian harlot in a black habit, autocratically forcing us to read My Weekly Reader, a Kremlin publication which malevolently claimed that we had a President named "John F. Kennedy"! That fucking commie Kennedy was trying to use pinko calisthenics to subvert and counteract the effect of the good Republican Twinkies my parents put in my lunch box every day.
September 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not the content, but the predicate. If the President can now demand free access to your children, how long do you think it's going to take another less scrupulous administration than Obama's to use it to further their own political goals?
If Obama is really concerned about education rather than gaining political access, he can print a pamphlet, or produce a video, and send it to the parents so they can fulfil their rightful duties as guardians of their children's political ideals, and not the government.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Noone cried when Bush sat on his rear and read a story to a bunch of children in the middle of 9/11. He was "demanding access to your children" then, as well as ignoring a huge crisis.
Where was the complaining?
September 2, 2009 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point, K. David, every president in the history of the country has used the children to teach their parents.
September 2, 2009 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, so did Hitler and Mussolini, and how about Stalin and Mao sa tung, just to name a few?
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what do they have in common with democracies?
September 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing, that's just my point. Allowing the President access to children without their parent's permission, should not be possible in our democracy, if, indeed, we still have a democracy.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not the president, per se, but his representation of our hopes for our children. He is inspiring them to achieve more in the absence of parental support.
Despite the upbringing your provide for your kids, many children in America aren't so lucky. Things of this nature require a much more holistic view than you seem willing to take.
Perhaps this is a good explanation for the reception you receive around here rather than some supposed quashing of opinions that fall outside the accepted norm.
September 2, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me...it is the president, per se. And he may indeed be representative of our hopes for our children, but isn't that the student's decision to make and, in the case of juveniles, their parents, rather than the government's, under any circumstance?
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Civics is part of a smart school curriculum and a discussion"with" the president is a get lesson plan. I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Worse, you are making a mountain out of a mole.
September 3, 2009 6:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice deflection. We aren't talking about psycho murderer totalitarians in other countries. We're talking about your blatant hypocrisy.
So, answer the question. Did you complain when Bush did it? Did anyone?
September 2, 2009 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you trying to kid when you say a "less scrupulous president than Obama?" we all know that you hate Obama and consider him unscrupulous. The irony of that after the least "scrupulous" administration in history is lost on you I am certain.
When the far-right is saying that a President of our country cannot be trusted to even speak to our school children, it is clear that they have gone around the bend into lunacy. How much farther out in the idiosphere can you go?
September 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am saying it is the parent's responsibility, indeed, even their right, to act as guardians of their own children's political development. When government replaces the parent in this regard, the parents 1st Amendment right of free speech will have been abridged.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Answer this:
What other (white) President in history could have proposed to speak to school children across the nation, and receive anything but joyful kudos from all involved?
Name one (white) President whose message to students would have been greeted by suspicion, and even a plan to encourage students to skip school that day?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/florida-gop-press-secretary-i-wouldnt-want-obamas-ideas-taught-to-my-children.php
The utter and complete bigotry of the republican party is reprehensible. These are the same people who identified legitimate disagreement with the Cheney/Bush administration as akin to hating the United States. Now they are encouraging young children to disrespect our president and even play hooky the day he will speak to them. Why? Socialism? He isn't advocating socialism. The reason must be race. They are despicable.
September 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Republican, white or black, since you insist on injecting racism into this debate, would never dream of taking away the parent's right, even duty in a free society, to act as guardians of their own children's political development -- never.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And listening to the President of the United States encourage children to work hard and study is taking away parents' rights to "guard their children's political education?" You are so full of shit it isn't funny! You are trying to teach children to hate the President because he is not one of YOU.
You and your ilk deserve what you get - a bunch of ignorant spawn who can't think for themselves any better than their pathetically uninformed parents.
What would you and your fellow dolts say if I supported my daughter's decision to have an abortion? OHHHHHHHH, that's different! Then the state can intervene, and step in between my decision as a parent.
September 2, 2009 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well since you have now managed to turn this discussion of 1st Amendment rights to one of abortion; I happen to agree with you, as any true Republican would. That decision should be left up you the mother, the father and their God, not the state.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try at avoiding this:
"And listening to the President of the United States encourage children to work hard and study is taking away parents' rights to "guard their children's political education?" You are so full of shit it isn't funny! You are trying to teach children to hate the President because he is not one of YOU."
September 2, 2009 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I told you before, this is not a prejucious, it's a principle.
There are more efficient and far, far less provocative ways to get his education message across than to needlessly create the predicate of unfettered access to our children by the President without parental authority or even knowledge in many cases. Why a President would be willing to pay the political cost in deliberately following such a course is anybody's guess.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama wants to go to a classroom and make a speech, with the children's parent's knowledge and consent, I would have no objection. But to create a predicate where the government can have unfettered access to my children without my consent is an unconscionable diminution of my liberty.
ex animo
davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bah!
September 2, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you don't live in a state that teaches children that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to work -- actually, I suspect that you grew up in such a state and probably continue to reside in one. The only fear people like you have is that your children will actually be exposed to truth -- what a scary prospect!
But the very idea that you are pushing the idea that the President who was elected one year ago is someone that you need to protect your children from betrays your lunacy and paranoia. I am done here. Arguing with the village idiot is a major waste of time. I must say, I feel sorry for your children, and for the country you are trying so hard for them to inherit -- one in which ignorance and bigotry are valued. I sure hope you lose this fight.
September 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink