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$50,000 to anybody who can answer three questions about our President!


The vast majority of the leftist mainstream and alternative "conservative" media have repeatedly called any American who has demanded that Barack Hussein Obama release his supposed Hawaiian birth certificate to prove he is a natural-born citizen as is required under the United States Constitution, a fringe-kook-conspiracy-theorist-wing-nut.

So here is Gregg Jackson's three questions with $50,000 cash to anybody in the media who can answer the following 3 part question:

1. What hospital in Hawaii was Barack Hussein Obama born in?

2. Who was the attending physician who delivered BHO?

3. What time was BHO born?

Any 12 year-old signing up for Little League would have to provide this information on their BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Yet not one person in the entire media has been able to provide the answers to very siple questions I have posed above.

$50,000 cold hard cash to anybody in the media who can show me the actual authenticated long-form birth certificate which answers the above questions.

So far NOBODY in the media has.

And until they do, there is no doubt in my mind, we have a foreign-born usurper in the White House.

And that means we, my friends, are living under TYRANNY.

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davidfarrar


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1. What hospital in Hawaii was Barack Hussein Obama born in?

2. Who was the attending physician who delivered BHO?

3. What time was BHO born?

If you can prove that the hospital name, attending physician and time of birth is required by the US government to prove your citizenship to get a passport I will accept your argument.

The information I've obtained states that, The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records."

It should be simple for you to prove that the hospital name, attending physician, and time of birth is required to prove one's citizenship to get a passport. If you are honest and not a lying troll you'll prove your case and then I will accept that I am wrong and Obama has not proven his citizenship.

I'm betting lying troll. Any takers?

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I am not quite sure just where you got off on the idea that all we are interested in with Obama is whether or not he can obtain a U.S. passport or not.

We are questioning Obama's Constitutional qualifications to be the President of the United States, a position, one would think, just slightly more important than applying for a passport.

Moreover, any U.S. citizen can obtain a passport with the minimal of information as you have so rightly pointed out. But not every U.S. citizen, with or without a passport, can be the President of the United States.

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davidfarrar

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Dude, you don't have $50,000.

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Yo, I never said I did have $50,000. I said Gregg Jackson has and is offering to give it to you if you can answer his three questions. Hint, hint: two of which have already been answered!

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davidfarrar

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And also too, when is the tyrant going to do us all a favor and throw your ass into the gulag along with Glen Beck and Joe Wilson? I mean srsly ... why not just go for it?

Oooohhh, it's not THAT kind of tyranny. It's the sort of tyranny based in democracy where a bunch of whiny little bitch-ass republicans lost the election and can't handle it.

Sad, oh so sad. Besides, haven't you heard? Birtherism is soooo August! The new thing is Nutterism. You look like SUCH a geek, probably don't even KNOW what the cool kids have made up about Acorn. You're like that nerd with taped-up glasses still playing POKEMON.

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Tyranny we can believe in?

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Why does it scare you that Barack Obama 'IS' our president? Is it because he is black? Because he is educated? Because he is not part of the pseudo-christian mafia and not under their mind-control programming as you appear to be?

How does it feel to be a tool of the pseudo-christian mafia David? To be used as a pawn by those greedy, rich, and powerful people who believe that they have been ordained by God to rule us? And they believe they are 'above' moral rules as well, they just put on a show for appearances sake so that you think they are moral.

Do you understand that Doug Coe and other leaders that guide them appreciate and respect rulers like Hitler and Mao? When you try to peg that stuff on President Obama, you are barking up the wrong tree, you should just turn around and look at the people you are listening to on Fox etc.

Do you understand that they want you confused and afraid because then you are easy to manipulate? Do you understand that their goal is to amass more and more power and rule?

You watched Bush and Cheney... do you think they gave a damn about our constitution or liberties? I think not!

If you really gave a damn about the constitution you would be demanding accountability for all of the violations of law that Bush and Cheney perpetrated.

Do you understand that they consider themselves above the law and do not care what we put in our 'legislation'?

Now 'those' are the people you 'should' be afraid of.

Those are the people who are destroying our democracy... and you inadvertently and possibly innocently are one of their soldiers, helping them with this agenda...

Did you know all of that?

You've got it all backwards.

President Obama is a citizen. I wrote to him and asked him to run for president when he was a senator. I may be disappointed in some of the decisions he has made but am glad he IS president and you appear to have a problem dealing with reality.

In fact it seems to me you prefer to live in delusion and your sources are always worse than suspect. They are ridiculous.

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Did you just needlessly inject race into your argumentum ad hominem attacks?

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davidfarrar

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What is it with the right wing fringe, now anyone who criticizes their arguments is making an 'ad hominem' attack!

This is also a favorite argument of the Creation Scientists like Duane Gish and other nutjobs.

davidfarrar
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Actually, Synch wasn't criticizing his arguments. She was criticizing the person. She made it personal. Nothing in David's original post tried to insult her, but then she tries to put him down.

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NO MCB I asked some questions and made some valid points.

Here is some info on ad hominem...

http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

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C'mon - you attacked his character and threw around lots of personal insults when he did nothing to go after you personally.

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Do I really have to remind you that you don't understand what ad hominem means?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

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Why do you have to launch a personal attack at him? I read lots of things on here that I think are idiotic, but I don't attack the person as much as you did here. You're just attacking him and thankfully he isn't stooping to your level. He's trying to keep a relatively calm tone behind is argument and not making it personal.

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Are you serious?

Give me a break!

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I am being serious - I find your personal attacks to be disappointing when DF did not call you delusional, compare your learning capacity to mice, etc.

If it makes you feel better and lets off some steam, I guess that's why you do it. It's just not productive.

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Why are the outright lies, distortions, and manipulations of the likes of Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh go unchecked while you prefer to maintain a sick obsession for pretending that there is no evidence that the president is a US citizen?

Seriously David mice have demonstrated a better learning capacity than you are able to realize on this issue.

Explain to us David why a so called 'news' station like FOX would instigate and promote tea parties and rallies... that is not what a 'news'organization does. That is what people with a clear 'agenda' do.

What do you suppose their agenda is... to get people to believe their lies and spread them for them... serve their corporate purposes...

Why do you suppose corporation 'paid' people to go and disrupt townhalls? Why would that ever be necessary?

I suggest you take your curiosity and apply it in your own backyard David.

President Barack Obama "IS" OUR president, 'legally' like it or not. Time to MOVE ON !!

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Barack Obama is not the President of the United States until he meets the requirements of the U.S. Constitution. Nobody is above the law, nobody.

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davidfarrar

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Which he has already done yet you can't seem to accept it.

Why is that David?

Why does it scare you that Barack Obama 'IS' our president? Is it because he is black? Because he is educated? Because he is not part of the pseudo-christian mafia and not under their mind-control programming as you appear to be?

How does it feel to be a tool of the pseudo-christian mafia David? To be used as a pawn by those greedy, rich, and powerful people who believe that they have been ordained by God to rule us? And they believe they are 'above' moral rules as well, they just put on a show for appearances sake so that you think they are moral.

Do you understand that Doug Coe and other leaders that guide them appreciate and respect rulers like Hitler and Mao? When you try to peg that stuff on President Obama, you are barking up the wrong tree, you should just turn around and look at the people you are listening to on Fox etc.

Do you understand that they want you confused and afraid because then you are easy to manipulate? Do you understand that their goal is to amass more and more power and rule?

You watched Bush and Cheney... do you think they gave a damn about our constitution or liberties? I think not!

If you really gave a damn about the constitution you would be demanding accountability for all of the violations of law that Bush and Cheney perpetrated.

Do you understand that they consider themselves above the law and do not care what we put in our 'legislation'?

Now 'those' are the people you 'should' be afraid of.

Those are the people who are destroying our democracy... and you inadvertently and possibly innocently are one of their soldiers, helping them with this agenda...

Did you know all of that?

You've got it all backwards.

President Obama is a citizen. I wrote to him and asked him to run for president when he was a senator. I may be disappointed in some of the decisions he has made but am glad he IS president and you appear to have a problem dealing with reality.

In fact it seems to me you prefer to live in delusion and your sources are always worse than suspect. They are ridiculous.

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So if what you say is true, for God sake, all it would take to end it for many birthers is for Obama to publish his long-form birth certificate and other personal records that a reasonable person with common sense would require. If you need a set standard, used John McCain's response as your guide.

This isn't rocket science. I really don't see what is so difficult, or why Obama and his supporters are insisting this is such a big deal.

We are not asking for anything John McCain wasn't asked for, and he responded in an honest and honorable, and, yes, Presidential way. All we are asking Barack Obama to do is to respond to these questions in an honorable fashion, in a Presidential fashion, not as a thief in the night.

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davidfarrar

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Would you like fries with that?

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With all of the nutwing behavior going on, such as reflected in your 'birther' obsession, I wish President Obama had more power.

And you've really got it wrong. It was Bush and Cheney who did their best to operate outside the law with a corrupt DOJ and acted as tyrants. President Obama is hardly acting as a tyrant waiting for congress to bring him a bill that is worth signing on health care reform.

You've really got to find some new sources of information. Your listening to idiots.

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The first two have been answered. Honolulu's Kapi'olani Hospital and Dr. Rodney T. West.

And the last - who cares, but you and the other birther loons. In fact nobody with half a brain cares about any of this except the looney birther fringe.

And KGB has a valid point this conspiracy theory is so yesterday.

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Because without the third one answered, it's just unsubstantiated hearsay.

Oh, and by the way, I lied. None of the questions have been answered to a degree of resonable certaintly. Dr. Rodney T. West retired in December, 1956, five years before Obama says he was born. So Barbara Nelson's unsworn testimoney needs to be independently substantiated before it can be believed.

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davidfarrar

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Actually David it is the insane BS suggesting that he was not born in Hawaii that should be substantiated before people go off half cocked believing such garbage. Once again, you've got it backwards.

Why does it scare you that Barack Obama 'IS' our president? Is it because he is black? Because he is educated? Because he is not part of the pseudo-christian mafia and not under their mind-control programming as you appear to be?

How does it feel to be a tool of the pseudo-christian mafia David? To be used as a pawn by those greedy, rich, and powerful people who believe that they have been ordained by God to rule us? And they believe they are 'above' moral rules as well, they just put on a show for appearances sake so that you think they are moral.

Do you understand that Doug Coe and other leaders that guide them appreciate and respect rulers like Hitler and Mao? When you try to peg that stuff on President Obama, you are barking up the wrong tree, you should just turn around and look at the people you are listening to on Fox etc.

Do you understand that they want you confused and afraid because then you are easy to manipulate? Do you understand that their goal is to amass more and more power and rule?

You watched Bush and Cheney... do you think they gave a damn about our constitution or liberties? I think not!

If you really gave a damn about the constitution you would be demanding accountability for all of the violations of law that Bush and Cheney perpetrated.

Do you understand that they consider themselves above the law and do not care what we put in our 'legislation'?

Now 'those' are the people you 'should' be afraid of.

Those are the people who are destroying our democracy... and you inadvertently and possibly innocently are one of their soldiers, helping them with this agenda...

Did you know all of that?

You've got it all backwards.

President Obama is a citizen. I wrote to him and asked him to run for president when he was a senator. I may be disappointed in some of the decisions he has made but am glad he IS president and you appear to have a problem dealing with reality.

In fact it seems to me you prefer to live in delusion and your sources are always worse than suspect. They are ridiculous.


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I got it backward! I'm not President. I don't have to meet the Constitutional requirements for President. But I can produce a certified copy of my long-form birth certificate, if called upon. I can produce my vaccination records used to enter me to first-grade. I can produce my parents' cancelled checks that paid for my college education. I have no problem releasing my college records. And if we are talking about a $250,000 per year job...they're all your.

Following your line of thought, if, indeed, it is a line of thought, I supposed John McCain's response was all "backwards" too when he immediately turned all of his personal records over to Obama and his Senate colleagues when they questioned his Presidential qualifications.

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Wrong again David. The president have already provided all of the necessary evidence of his birth and citizenship.

You must have some other reason for pursuing this David. What is your problem with President Obama? He is our president legally recognized and he is doing the job of being our president.

And yes, unless you can prove he is not a citizen I think you should STFU!

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Let's review, shall we? The only document he has briefly published was a picture of document he purports to be his Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" on a website. That's it, other than his own statement that he meets all of the requirements.

Shall we compare that response to what John McCain produced?

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Lies. People have seen, handled, and verified his birth certificate David.

Seriously what is with you?

Why don't you just come clean and tell us what the real problem is here because Barack Obama is a US citizen whether you like it or not... so

WHY is THAT such a BIG problem for YOU????

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There is no one I know of beside Hawaiian Health officials who have actually "handled" Obama's long-form birth certificate. Nobody has ever doubted that Obama does, indeed, have a normal, long form birth certificate. The only thing that I am aware of being verified by Hawaiian Health officials is that the information contained on Obama's "vital records" accurately reflect what is on Obama's version of his "Certificate of Live Birth" document.

The problem here is, there is no verification of the information contained on Obama's "vital records", themselves, only that the information is the same on both documents.

Under normal circumstances, the long-form birth certificate would list the hospital, the birth doctor and other witnesses present at Obama's birth, and certify same by the signature and seal of a notary. If such is not the case with Obama, we have to go to Obama's "vital records" to ascertain the veracity of the informed reflected on both of Obama's long-form birth certificate and Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth".

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Lets just ignore the fact that requiring that type of information would be unfair to those born at home with the services of a midwife. Or those born at the side of the highway with the services of a random motorist... Lets just agree you haven't thought this through as usual.

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Why would it be unfair to "at-home" births? Even in these situations it should not be difficult to produce evidence that would substantiated where and when somebody was born? But I will agree with you, it would take more than simply posting a picture of your "Certificate of Live Birth" on the internet and calling it your birth certificate.

Personally, I think it would have served to enrich Obama's achievements, gravitas and prestige if he would have responded as John McCain did when his qualification were challenged.

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Obama has met all of the requirements and 'IS' 'NOW' our president and you are wasting your time and everyone else's time trying to further a wingnut cause why, exactly?

Quit pretending that this is about his 'birth'?

What is the real issue you have with the man who like it or not, really 'IS' our president?

Why don't 'you' at least be honest with us about what is driving your 'birther' issue?

What about our president is such a problem for you?
Because I don't agree with him on a lot of things but I like him and I think he is far more intelligent that Bush and Cheney combined so I am relieved that during this challenging time for our country, he 'is' the president.

You may not agree with his policies, you may not like the way he governs but a majority of Americans elected him and he is rightfully and legally our president.

So, again, what is the 'real' issue that you have with this president?

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The real issue is, Obama hasn't met all the requirements. If only he would, we can put this little baby to bed. I agree, it's silly. But birthers aren't the people perpetuating this issue, Obama is.

Even the DNC knows he's not qualified. There is no way this guy is ever going to qualify again to run for the office of the Presidency of the United States without producing his long-form birth certificate and addressing his "natural born" status as it pertains to U. S. Constitution.

So you do yourselves no favors sticking your heads in the sand over this issue. It isn't going away. It will be addressed. I would prefer we do it in a calm, reasonable fashion. But if you think it's better to do what Obama is doing, and wait until your hand is forced, when passions will be high and tempers flaring; so be it. The Constitution will be supported, protected and defended against all who would seek to destroy it.

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Well, here you demonstrate your disconnect from reality and innate 'need' for something other than reality to be true.

Again David, what is it really about?

Let's get to the real point.

Just because you don't want to accept reality doesn't mean that it isn't happening right in front of you.

So, given that the president 'has provided evidence that he was born in Hawaii' and you
'choose' to discount and ignore it,
what is the real issue here David?

Why does it upset you so much that Barack Obama 'IS' President of the United States?

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All Obama has done was briefly post a jpg on a website of a document he purports to be his "Birth Certificate", together with his signed an affidavit attesting to the fact that he meets all Constitutional requirements to be President of the United States, arguably, the most powerful and most important position in the world.

Now doesn't anybody here besides me think that we should at least make an effort to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has met his Constitutional requirements? This shouldn't be hard to prove. We all should be able to at least remember the name of the hospital we were born in.

And, yes, you can get by with a short-form "Certificate of Live Birth", but there are companies who will, for a fee, get you a certified copy of your long-form birth certificate if you have one, as is the case with Barack Obama. And on said document it will authenticate the event of your birth; what hospital, the birth doctor and the time of birth, with the possible exception of those who were not born in a hospital at all, but somewhere else.

If such was the case with Obama, it could -- it could, mind you -- bring into question the information contained on Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate as well.

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davidfarrar

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That Birth Certificate has been handled and verified David.

You simply don't want to 'believe' that he is president IMO.

To quote Jack Nicholson

'Go sell crazy somewhere else.'

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If you don't agree with his policies, then why not keep pushing the birth certificate point until somebody actually produces the real document?

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Not agreeing with everything the president does doesn't mean I support the insanity that is this birther crap MCB. Don't be ridiculous.

And when I say I don't agree it's because I think we should have a single payer health care system and I absolutely object to 'ANY mandates' without a 'Public' option... things like that.

I much prefer him to McCain. I wrote Senator Obama and asked him to run for president and I still think he was the best of all our options for President.

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But when you disagree with someone, maybe you could do so without making personal attacks against them. It makes you look almost as childish as the birthers.

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What you call personal attacks are not in my opinion personal attacks but rather just an attempt to dismiss the questions MCB... nice try though.

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maybe you should try charm school then.

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And I can't believe MCB that you are offering an uncalled for reprimand of me in support of someone who is trying to offer this ridiculous 'fairy tale' regarding the president. Learned something new about you on this blog...

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calling someone delusional doesn't really move the conversation forward.

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Neither does being delusional.

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two wrongs don't make a right.

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Well said.

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davidfarrar

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BTW

1. Kapi'Olani Medical Center for Women and
Children in Honolulu

2. The Obstetrician was Dr. Rodney T. West

3. 7:24 PM

Where's my $50,000? I could use the money.

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I posted to your link... I won't hold my breath waiting for that $50,000 as this is whole thing is clearly being promoted by mentally ill persons.

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Still....if you get it, that would be cool.

I would think you might owe David at least $5 in commission. Get his address and send him a check.

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1. Kapi'Olani Medical Center for Women and
Children in Honolulu doesn't have no record of one Barack Obama ever being born there at all, ever.

2. Dr. Rodney T. West retired in December, 1956 and died in February, 2008.

3. 7:24 PM may be a correct time, but unsubstantiated at this point.

Still one out of three ain't bad, I guess, if you are trying to qualify for the highest position in the land!

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So now you not only have to meet all the hoops you are demanding the first black president jump through (interesting coincidence, I'm sure) but you are also requiring that the attendant physician at a US president's birth still be living at he time of his inauguration?

You stupid fucks love to say things like national health care is "unconstitutional." How bout you show me where proving citizenship beyond an (un)reasonable doubt is required by the constitution?

At a minimum, Obama showing the "short form" creates a strong, if rebuttable, presumption that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. I think's its incumbent on you to provide something beyond speculation in order to justify keeping this "controversy" alive. Of course, the responsible thing to do would be to simply shut the fuck up, but you're obviously not a responsible person.

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The responsible thing for Obama to do is settle this matter by publishing his long-form birth certificate and other personal material much the same as John McCain honorably did when his Presidential qualifications were challenged by Obama and friends. The dishonorable thing to do is hide behind judicial robes, sticking his tongue out and daring us to prove him qualified.

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No the responsible thing for him to do is NOT dignify the absolutely ridiculous claims against him with any further responses.

And the responsible thing for him to do is his 'job as the President Of The United States' as he was elected to do.

Seriously David, what is your problem with having Barack Obama as president, really?

You talk about McCain. McCain knows he's a citizen. He isn't going around accusing the president of not being a citizen. If McCain is honorable as you say then don't you think you should trust his judegement... just sayin' since you can't seem to deal with reality...

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McCain doesn't know anymore than you or I do.

Haven't you listening? Nobody has any real evidence that Barack Obama was born when and where he says he was. Even his own personal information on his own official website states he is four years old than he should be if he was born in August of 1961

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Real evidence has been provided.

You 'choose' to ignore/not believe the 'real' evidence which is why it appears to 'you' that it does not exist.

Again David, what is your real issue with our president. I have to assume that you don't like the man for some reason... so what is it?

What is your problem with President Obama?

Because Barack Obama "IS" legally our president.

However your obsession with this issue and your inability to accept reality, is a demonstration that 'you' have some issues.

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My issue is, simply put, the real evidence has not been given, or verified.

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davidfarrar

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Well IMO your 'issue' is actually that you do NOT want to accept reality. The facts have been presented but because they don't produce the outcome 'you' desire... you pretend the evidence is not 'real'.

Pretending and fantasy seem to be the realm you are living in.

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Actually he lives in Paraguay. He flew in last fall to the U.S. to commit election fraud, and had to escape the authorities.

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Dear Lunatic,
How interesting, you claim the President is no the President because you don't believe it.
Let's review: If Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii where was he born? What kind of conspiracy was it in 1961, if we accept your premise that he was not born here, how many people were involved in said conspiracy? Also explain, how it was they foresaw this baby as being the President of the United States and were even able to get the Newspaper of record in Honolulu to publish his birth? Is the President and undocumented worker? Because if everything you lunatics say is true, he is an undocumented worker?
What weird, weird, paranoid, delusional blog? Are you by any chance off your meds?
The burden of proof happens to be on your side according to the Constitution, you must offer valid evidence that the President cannot serve.
However, your lunatic ravings are perfect for WDN and Redneckstate and littlegreenmorons, you should head back there before they miss you.

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People like David were poor winners when they had the White House, it is hardly a surprise that they are sore losers.

Deplorable characters. Un-American, to boot.

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Ah, and a very good Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to you too.

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davidfarrar

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Tsk tsk tsk... please learn what ad hominem is David

http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

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Dear Ms. Argumentum Ad Hominem,

I truly wish I could answer your questions. Believe you me, it's not for the lack of trying. But you see, here's the thing; I can't answer your questions because Barack Obama has all of the true answers locked up and he won't allow anyone to see them. What we are told to believe is not what we can prov, but simply what one Barack Obama wants us to believe.

But as far as a conspiracy is concerned, it needn't have taken many. Indeed, one person really, and for the simplest of reasons. You see, Barack Obama's grandmother wanted her first born grandson, whom she loved very, very deeply to be an American citizen. That's it. That's all there is to this deep, dark conspiracy. Nobody foresaw Barack someday becoming President of the United States. It was just a loving assistant bank manager, grandmother doing what she was fully capable of doing and knew what had to be done, even if her daughter did not.

Once the blanks on the "at home" birth certificate application were filled in, the information was duly passed on to the local newspapers. Not in the private birth announcements section, but in the routine one-liner public notice section used by the newspaper to pass on public information from the Health Department. All this could have been done by one person without the need for Stanley Ann Dunham even to have been in Hawaii at the time.

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What a ridiculous fairy tale David?

If you could prove what you are saying, we wouldn't be here talking about this.

You are so unable to deal with reality, so uncomfortable with our president for whatever reason (and hey I could make up a fairy tale about why David Farrar can't deal with reality, and doesn't like our president) that you 'choose' to believe the 'fairy tale'.

Your story is just that, a 'story'. The right is riled up because of many such fantasies.

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I can't even answer two of those three questions about myself. And now my mother is dead and who knows where my original birth certificate with my cute baby footprints is. Also, the hospital I was born in was torn down before I turned five, so they don't have any records either. But the state of Indiana will issue a short form certificate that says I was born here. I hope I never feel the need to run for president because, although it was enough to get into college, to get many a driver's license, to get a passport, and to prove my identity for a few other things over the years, apparently it won't be good enough for your ilk.

Doofus.

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Once upon a time there was a blogger using the name of David Farrar.

Even though David Is part of a rightwing fringe organization he chose to blog on TPM, a liberal leaning news source.

David chose to spend his time continuously posting blogs based on a fairy tale about the president of the United States Barack Obama.

This fairy tale is a made up story about how the president was not really born in the US.
David liked this fairy tale so much that he chose to believe that it was ‘true’ regardless of all evidence to the contrary.

No one knows why? He won’t tell us.

The mystery is … why does David choose to believe the fairy tale?

Why is the reality so unpalatable to him that he chooses to believe the fairy tale?

The world may never know…

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Claim: A Certification of Live Birth document provided by the Obama campaign is a forgery.

FALSE
Example: [Collected via e-mail, June 2008]

I read that Obama will not release his birth certificate. Have heard rumors it's because he is listed as white. Or that because he isn't a U.S. born citizen.

Origins: In the first half of 2008, a number of rumors swirling around about presidential candidate Barack Obama coalesced in the claim that he "refused to produce his birth records" because doing so would demonstrate some or all of those rumors to be true: that Barack Obama was "not African," that he was a Muslim with a middle name of Mohammed, that he wasn't born in the United States at all (and thus didn't qualify as a natural-born citizen), etc.

In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed. Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth records, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

As things turned out, when the Obama campaign made a copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii available on the Internet in June 2008, it validated none of those rumors: The certificate shows his full name to be "Barack Hussein Obama II," it lists his father's race as "African" and his mother's as "Caucasian," it contains no information about religion, and it reports his birthplace as being Honolulu, Hawaii.

A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the
original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an altered version of one issued to Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya.) Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims (i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961:

In August 2008, Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg included claims of a forged certificate (among other rumors) as the basis for a suit in U.S. District Court challenging Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency on the grounds that Obama was actually born in Kenya (not Hawaii) and/or subsequently gave up his U.S. citizenship and thus does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. In October 2008 a federal judge dismissed the complaint:

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

(A similar lawsuit was dismissed by a U.S. District Court judge in March 2009.)

In October 2008, and again in July 2009, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified that Barack Obama's original birth certificate was in the Hawaii State Department's files:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."

Fukino says that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest in it.

In January 2009, a teacher at the Honolulu prep school attended by Barack Obama recalled discussing his birth with the obstetrician who had delivered him:

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

"I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone," said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here's the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: "So, tell me something interesting that happened this week," she recalls.

His response: "Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that's something to write home about."

The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

"I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it," said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the "Stanley" connection.

She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby's father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby's name.

"I remember Dr. West saying 'Barack Hussein Obama, now that's a musical name,'" said Nelson.

Ten years after that memorable birth announcement, Nelson would hear the Obama name again. This time, the father, now a Kenyan government official, was coming to speak at the Punahou School in Honolulu where Nelson was teaching and where his 10-year-old son was a newly enrolled fifth-grader.

A birth certificate produced in August 2009 which purportedly documented that Barack Obama was born in Kenya was quickly revealed to be a forgery.

Last updated: 3 August 2009

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Hinkelman, Michael. "Judge Rejects Montco Lawyer's Bid to Have Obama Removed from Ballot."
Philadelphia Daily News. 25 October 2008.

Koppelman, Alex. "Sex, Lies and Creatively Edited Interviews with Sarah Obama."
Salon. 5 December 2008.

Nakaso, Dan. "Obama's Certificate of Birth OK, State Says."
Honolulu Advertiser. 1 November 2008.

Nakaso, Dan. "Hawaii: Obama Birth Certificate Is Real."
Honolulu Advertiser. 27 July 2009.

Nakaso, Dan. "Hawaii officials confirm Obama's Original Birth Certificate Still Exists."
Honolulu Advertiser. 28 July 2009.

Voell, Paula. "Teacher from Kenmore Recalls Obama Was a Focused Student."
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Associated Press. "State Department of Health Declares Obama Birth Certificate Legal."
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Associated Press. "Challenge to Obama Is Dismissed."
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Dear rmrd0000,

I truly wish I could answer your questions. Believe you me, it's not for the lack of trying. But you see, here's the thing; I can't answer your questions because Barack Obama has all of the true answers locked up and he won't allow anyone to see them. What we are told to believe is not what we can prov, but simply what one Barack Obama wants us to believe.

But as far as a conspiracy is concerned, it needn't have taken many. Indeed, one person really, and for the simplest of reasons. You see, Barack Obama's grandmother wanted her first born grandson, whom she loved very, very deeply to be an American citizen. That's it. That's all there is to this deep, dark conspiracy. Nobody foresaw Barack someday becoming President of the United States. It was just a loving assistant bank manager, grandmother doing what she was fully capable of doing and knew what had to be done, even if her daughter did not.

Once the blanks on the "at home" birth certificate application were filled in, the information was duly passed on to the local newspapers. Not in the private birth announcements section, but in the routine one-liner public notice section used by the newspaper to pass on public information from the Health Department. All this could have been done by one person without the need for Stanley Ann Dunham even to have been in Hawaii at the time.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Ohhh David,

How disingenuous you are. rmrd000 did NOT ask you any questions.

They posted 'facts' which you are unwilling to receive.

This is clearly really hard for you David. Relax and let me tell you a story

-Once upon a time there was a blogger using the name of David Farrar.

Even though David Is part of a rightwing fringe organization he chose to blog on TPM, a liberal leaning news source.

David chose to spend his time continuously posting blogs based on a fairy tale about the president of the United States Barack Obama.

This fairy tale is a made up story about how the president was not really born in the US.

David liked this fairy tale so much that he chose to believe that it was ‘true’ regardless of all evidence to the contrary.

No one knows why? He won’t tell us.

The mystery is … why does David choose to believe the fairy tale?

Why is the reality so unpalatable to him that he chooses to believe the fairy tale?

The world may never know…

But we do know that David 'pretends' that people ask him questions when in fact they have just presented fact after fact dispelling his fairy tale.

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The Barbara Nelson material has been proven to be wrong in its most singular assertion: namely that Dr. Rodney T. West was the attending physician at Barack Obama's birth.

The problem with this "fact" is that Dr. Rodney T. West retired from the practice of medicine in December of 1956, five years before Obama says he was born,

The second so called "fact" that Barbara Nelson asserts is that Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

The problem with this "fact" is that the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu has no record of that event. Let me say this again as a matter of record: The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu has no record of Barack Obama being born there.

As I have said before when addressing the issue of the "conspiracy" motive; as far as it being a conspiracy at all, it may well be only a conspiracy of one, and for the simplest of motives. You see, Barack Obama's grandmother wanted her first born grandson, whom she loved very, very deeply, to be an American citizen. That's it. That's all there is to this deep, dark conspiracy. Nobody foresaw Barack someday becoming President of the United States. It was just a loving assistant bank manager, grandmother doing what she was fully capable of doing and knew what had to be done, even if her daughter did not.

Moreover, once the blanks on the "at home" birth certificate application were filled in, the information was duly passed on to the local newspapers. Not in the private birth announcements section, mind you, but in the routine one-liner public notice section used by the newspaper to pass on public information from the Health Department.

These are the facts which lead me to suspect that Mr. Barack Obama isn't telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth when it comes to where and when he was born.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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