Is Obama a "natural born" citizen?
For a little background on the meaning of "natural born" as it is used in Art. I, Sec. 5, Clause 5, of the U.S Constitution, please click here.
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davidfarrar
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For a little background on the meaning of "natural born" as it is used in Art. I, Sec. 5, Clause 5, of the U.S Constitution, please click here.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Link goes straight to birther bullshit video, don't waste your time on this idiot.
June 13, 2009 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are of course welcome to your own opinions, but consider this article on the subject, entitled: Obama Presidential Eligibility -- An Introductory Primer, by Stephen Tonchen.
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davidfarrar
June 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you still here, David?
Are you going to post on this pointless debunked topic every two days for the next eight years?
Rent yourself some porn, man.
June 14, 2009 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
David, we do enjoy hearing from conservatives here, don't get us wrong. But if you're gonna just throw this crap at us every few days, you're in the wrong place, my brother.
You're gonna get dumped on and it's gonna get ugly and stupid.
Your posts belong in other websites. Here, they'll just be a waste of your hopefully precious time.
Just sayin'.
June 14, 2009 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I hope we all can read and understand the Constitution and realize, this isn't personal. I am quite sure Pres. Obama believes himself to be a native born citizen. He may even believe himself to be a "statutory" natural born citizen. But he is certainly not a Constitutionally natural born citizen.
In addition, this issue must be cleared up long before the 2012 election by the U.S. Supreme Court for the sake of the country. As you can see by the heated comments here, it will only get worse unless and until the Supreme Court decides the issue.
Sure I can spout-off on the right, but what good will preaching to the choir do, except increase the discord. With the coming appointment of Ms. Sotomayor, one would think the court's decision would be a slam-dunk for Obama. But us "birthers" are only too willing to take that chance because for us, the important thing is to repair the rift, clear up the ambiguity, seek unity rather than discord. After all, that's the job of the Supreme Court; is it not?
In several cases the Supreme Court has defined what a U.S. citizen is, and even went so far as to state that it was important for the Court to clearly define what a "natural born" citizen was, but that issue hadn't properly been placed before the Court at that time. So the Supreme Court agrees with us "birthers", this issue needs to be addressed and addressed sooner rather than later for the common good of all.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I hope you and your friends can all read and understand Snopes.com:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
And I hope that you'll stop wasting blog space at TPM with your drivel.
Here's some advice, honey: Get a life, let it go, accept that he's our President, help your local community by getting out more, and take your ugly avatar and put it somewhere else.
Peace.
June 14, 2009 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
LisB,
Most birthers who have seriously looked at this question and have understood the implications of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, see Barack Obama as a U.S. Citizen. So the issue of his long-form or COLB is irrelevant.
On that score, I happen to believe what the Hawaiian health officials have locked away in their vault is Obama's COLB. I don't think Obama has a long-form birth certificate. In any case, it's irrelevant. So is where he was actually born, again, due to the controlling legal interest at the time -- to coin a phrase.
No, the only real question is Art.I, Sec.II, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Is Barack Obama a natural born citizen? It is to this question the Supreme Court must address itself to as it has said it needed to do for the sake of our nation's democracy.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 7:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
From our communication on your previous post the following is clear:
1) You don't want to know the truth.
2) You will blind yourself to any evidence
contrary to your myth.
3) You desire to believe in this 'birther' crap.
And as Dickday would say...
THE END
Let it go or take it somewhere else!
June 14, 2009 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
May I add a #4?
4) You (the OP) have zero proof on your side, and you have not refuted the proof presented against your side. Presenting ungrounded speculation is not evidence, much less proof. Hearsay is not evidence, btw.
June 14, 2009 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, there is proof. Barack Obama's own words. His father was a Kenyan citizen. I don't think anybody has ever questioned that fact. And as such, Barack cannot possibly be a "natural born" citizen of this country within the Constitutional meaning of the phrase.
Now of course you may need to twist the meaning of 'natural born' around to fit your present political imparitives, as Obama had done, calling himself a "native born" citizen, but the Constitutional issue remains, as the Supreme Court has recognized, whether the Left chooses to or not.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 7:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's obviously not proof, so you are the one twisting in the wind there. Not only is what Barack says on that matter hearsay, it's just not relevant to the point you tried to make.
The Constitutional issue remains only in principle and as the delusions of wing nuts; it has been vetted and found to not apply in this instance.
Good luck on your other harebrained schemes.
June 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear EDS,
Perhaps then we had better take a quick look a what truth is before we proceed or we will go around and around, never actually getting anywhere. I consider any undisputed testimony as pretty much the closest we are ever going to get to the truth in this setting.
When Barack Obama says his father was born in Kenya, and I have nothing to dispute his testimony. He is telling the truth. Let's not make this any harder than it already is.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not true.
As I have stated, due to our earlier discourse, I now see Barack Obama as a U.S. citizen. There has been progress, undoubted progress.
Now the last remaining issue is the "natural born" clause of the U.S. Constitution.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Other than as a vacant exercise in posturing, if the two options for citizenship are naturalized and natural born, where is the evidence of naturalization to prove he was not natural born? There is no legit competing birth certificate, for instance.
June 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eds,
Barack Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen. Heck! for that matter, she may have even been a "natural born" U.S. citizen. Since she was a U.S. citizen and Barack's father was a British subject at the time of his birth, Barack had at the time of his birth dual citizenship. When Kenya became independent, he lost his dual citizenship and retained his U.S. citizenship. But since Barack's father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Barack's birth, Barack, himself, cannot be, by definition, (both parents being U.S. citizens)a "natural born" citizen.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Answered already: "Other than as a vacant exercise in posturing,"
and that applies to your other recent reply above.
You've already admitted Obama had US citizenship when he was born. End of story.
June 14, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
End of story? Not quite. You see, it's that old Constitutional principle you mentioned earlier. In order to be President of the United States you have to be a "natural born" U.S. citizen. That is, both parents of Barack's parents had to be citizens of the United States at the time of his birth. End of Story.
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, like the rest of your fellow "birthers",are simply offering further and further proof that you are insane. Obsessive, delusional, and let's just throw obnoxious into the mix for good measure.
You got nothin'.
You can post spurious links, cite your fellows in a never-ending circle jerk of nonsensical pseudo-"constitutional" blather, and talk to yourselves until hell freezes over. You'll never persuade those of us who live in the real world of this, any more than you'd persuade us that 9/11 was staged. Or for that matter, that leprechauns are running North Dakota for the Unicorn Mafia.
In fact, you know you're slinging bullshit. Now, why is that? Let's see...his fater was...Kenyan - yeah, that's it. And what kind of people live in Kenya, for the most part? Black people! You're fulminating because Obama's father was black, aren't you?
Hey, wait a minute? Doesn't that make you...a RACIST? Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket...
So why the fucking hell should we take anything you say seriously, you racist asshole?
Oh - what's that? You claim you're not a racist? Prove it. If you can prove you are not motivated by racism, then we might give you a "fair hearing". And pigs will fly.
June 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama's father was a British subject at the time of his birth, so your point is?
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you please move on.
http://obamacitizenshipdebate.org/Strunk-vs-US-denied.pdf
June 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay,
You got hold of some body's pleadings. What's the big deal? Every body's entitled to their side of the argument.
Barack Obama's father was a British subject of the realm at the time of Barack's birth. Nobody has ever disputed this fact on either side of the argument.
Are you?
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davidfarrar
June 14, 2009 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
the David blogger is correct. It is definitional. Obama's elligibility is still in Court. Judge Carter, US District Southern California. I suspect eventually Biden will complete the term and reaffirm many but not all of President Obama's orders.
It's tbe Constituion-stupid.
October 4, 2009 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink