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America's mosaic (maps and discussion)


Today, instead of pontificating, I'd like to ask readers opinions and conclusions after perusing the maps that I've stuck on here below. They are a map of the 2008 election results, county by county, a map of "purple America" from 2004 and a map of American's median income from 1999 (I haven't found more recent maps, but I imagine they wouldn't be dramatically different). Please take a look:


2008-county by county
2008 election results - county by county
purple america 2004
"Purple America" - 1999
Income breakdown map - 2004
Median family income - 1999


Right off the bat they look to me like a pre-war ethnic map of Bosnia, with the Serbs, Croats and Muslims all mixed up and only held together by Marshall Tito's iron hand. Like this:
pre-war bosnia

My "start a bar fight" proposition would be that easy, subprime type credit has been America's answer to "Marshall Tito" and that stagnant or shrinking incomes, without access to that easy credit (something that will probably last long beyond the present crisis) will produce great tension in America's mosaic. I would be grateful for all opinions and, of course, especially those that are wonky.
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I want to check with Mica on Mornin Joe before I come to any conclusions.

My problem (actually I have scores of problems but why split hairs) is that 90 grand in NYC is real different than 90 grand in Albany or 90 grand in Mpls.

Obama had a landslide victory only if you compare his percentage win to elections going back to 1980.
Same thing goes for electoral votes. But at least we know who won this time.

Other than that I will rely on the old adage:

A horse is a horse, of course of course, and no one can talk to a horse of course...

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Personally I think the income distribution chart is more important than the others as it is much easier to change your vote than to change your income. In that map we see islands of wealth and archipelagos of poverty in a sea of neither one nor the other. My working hypothesis is that the (permanent) loss of the kind of credit that produced the bubble will be like a painkiller wearing off of someone who has been in an accident and this will produce enormous tensions.

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So-called "easy credit" (unless you're talking only about the interest-only loans, those were an invitation to default, BY DEFINITION) didn't have that much to do with the economic lock-up. The CDOs and CDSs had a very great deal to do with it, too. I get the feeling you have an agenda that isn't endorsed by reality, when you omit those important facts.

Those CDOs and CDSs were often taken out in a recursive fashion, so that the first one taken out against an institution was backed up by another taken out BY that first institution against another institution and this was repeated ad infinitum. All of this that should have never been more than "imaginary money" nailed a big part of the financial market as these became hedge fund offerings.

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Marx is attributed to have said that religion was the opiate of the masses. I believe that these days it has been easy credit that has been the opiate of the less well off. And now the with drawl symptoms will start to set in big time.

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Good good good

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Struck me looking at your map, that any really smart politician might follow David Letterman's example by using the term "beverage" with a touch of humor, thereby invoking solidarity among the other term users by mildly making fun of a very small nationwide minority. (I can easily envision Obama referring to the Pepsi he offers a guest as a "beverage." And would you want to sit down for a beverage with him?) This culture thing, it is indeed serious stuff. :-)

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Great map!
You could even track migrations though this one (seriously).

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Not necessarily unless you think the Northeast parachuted in to settle Missouri.

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They did actually, it is called the "New England Diaspora", the only problem is that it occurred before the invention of sodapop.
My grandparents generation in Illinois and Iowa spoke with an accent almost identical to mainline Philadelphia. In the 1920s it changed to something more similar to Kentucky and Tennessee because of mass migration due to a depression before the Depression that caused great hardship in those states.

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That's interesting Dave. I've always found that once you get about 40 or 50 miles outside of Chicago "downstate" out into farm country people always sound more like rural southerners than they do "yankees".

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Are you telling me there are counties in Virginia, North Carolina, New Mexico and Nevada where when you go to the soda fountain you ask for an "Other"?

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Other usually seems to be, "soft drink," "soda pop," or just, "drink." "Tonic" used to be popular in New England but is fading. And a lot of people use the brand names, Diet Pepsi, Dr Pepper, Mt Dew, etc.

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I like tonic with vodka

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That is valuable information indeed, thanks for sharing it with us.

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An even more interesting map than David's, Donal.
I could look at it for hours. Note how Missouri, and parts of Illinois right up to the capital, are solid soda country, sandwiched between hard-core pop and coke aficionados. How did that happen?
Extending the lines north, Quebec would be pro-soda too -- if we spoke English. The usual term here is soft drink, as a translation of "liqueur douce," but most anglos will order "a Coke." Then, when told, "We only have Pepsi," will meekly say, "OK, Pepsi." I actually prefer Pepsi, and order it first, thereby avoiding more disappointment than Coke-drinkers.

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Not useful comparisons without other maps beside the Bosnian one. I get nada out of it.

What I get out of the US ones is that cities are liberal, country is not. Wow.

A more interesting map, absent here, is the voting-trend one. It shows the whole country going more Democratic, with the exceptions of Appalachia and Alaska. Guess we can conclude that, rather than civil war, we will see less polarization, or at least less symmetrical tension, as conservatives get their asses kicked, deservedly, for fucking up the country so thoroughly.

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We can only hope!

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"civil war"?
No, class tensions.

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Here are some mapping various religions:

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/geo/courses/geo200/religion.html

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Methodists plus Mormons seems like a decent fit for the 2004 presidential election map.

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What a wonderful resource, thank you truly.

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Here is an interesting link from Barbara Ehrenreich's blog to go with the maps.

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Here is a juicy, I wish I had said that, quote from Ms Ehrenreich's post:

Which is why any serious government attempt to get the economy going again – and I leave aside the unserious attempts like bank bailouts and other corporate welfare projects—has to start at the bottom. Obama is promising to generate three million new jobs in “shovel ready” projects, and let’s hope they’re not all jobs for young men with strong backs. Until those jobs kick in, and in case they leave out the elderly, the single moms and the downsized desk-workers, we’re going to need an economic policy centered on the poor: more money for food stamps, for Medicaid, unemployment insurance, and, yes, cash assistance along the lines of what welfare once was, so that when people come tumbling down they don’t end up six feet under. For those who think “welfare” sounds too radical, we could just call it a “right to life” program, only one in which the objects of concern have already been born.

If that sounds politically unfeasible, consider this: When Clinton was cutting welfare and food stamps in the 90s, the poor were still an easily marginalized group, subjected to the nastiest sorts of racial and gender stereotyping. They were lazy, promiscuous, addicted, deadbeats, as whole choruses of conservative experts announced. Thanks to the recession, however – and I knew there had to be a bright side – the ranks of the poor are swelling every day with failed business owners, office workers, salespeople, and long-time homeowners. Stereotype that! As the poor and the formerly middle class Nouveau Poor become the American majority, they will finally have the clout to get their needs met.

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Hmmm... quite interesting . . .

Yeah... this is quite a money quote from Barbara Ehrenreich:

"For those who think “welfare” sounds too radical, we could just call it a “right to life” program, only one in which the objects of concern have already been born."

Where's Tom Hollenbach when we need him?

Well this will have to do...

The Best Fiscal Stimulus: A Large, Temporary, Negative Income Tax

December 16, 2008, 12:11PM

One must follow the comment threads also to get the real gist of his idea and his position.

But there's no way that the Obama team is in heading Tom's direction.

You see ... I haven't heard anything from Hollenbach since his last dire warning in a blog post the first week in January.

Uh-Oh.

January 7, 2009, 11:33AM

Both of his postings are must reads...

~OGD~

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