Who really understands the USA?
"Poor Mexico, so far from God and so near to the United States!"Porfirio Díaz
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!
To a Louse - Robert Burns
Every so often some irate reader who lives in the states asks me how I can know anything about the USA if I no longer live there.
To this I reply that the USA is everywhere, all the time, intruding into people's lives in endless ways all over the world: it is outside the United States where people really understand the USA. It is the Americans who have a totally fictionalized view of themselves.
Don't you think by now that any inhabitant of Baghdad is an expert on Americans, their foibles and their reality, the space between their words and their actions?
But of course this deep and intimate knowledge of the USA is new to Iraqis and most Middle Easterners. Where Americans are really known, where the USA has bent everything and everyone out of shape for nearly 200 years, is south of the border, in Latin America in general and in Mexico, most blatantly, in particular.
Mexico's war on drugs costs more lives with every passing day. Drug-related killings this year exceed 4,300, according to media reports, almost double the rate of 2007.Swathes of Mexican territory are in the control of drug cartels, rather than the government. The heavy cost of fighting them is also paid in the corrosion of Mexican democracy and its institutions, as emphasised by recent arrests of high-profile police officers allegedly in the pay of the drug barons.(...) In his most dramatic decision, Mr Calderón also sent in Mexico's army to confront the traffickers. This move has had some success, though it could perhaps have been more precisely targeted, but it has stirred up a hornets' nest. Unfortunately, the effectiveness of this policy is likely to weaken over time as corruption takes its toll in the military.(...) the role that the US plays in this crisis is clear. As well as being the largest cocaine market, it supplies most of the traffickers' weaponry. Meanwhile, US aid for Mexico's drug efforts focuses excessively on hardware such as helicopters and is not sufficiently directed at supporting the police, the legal system and the judiciary. (...) (President Obama) should acknowledge that reopening negotiations over the North American Free Trade Agreement, as he pledged during his election campaign, would severely undermine legitimate business south of the border. That would bode ill for Mexico - and for the US. (emphasis mine) Financial Times___________Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo said he and his countrymen "regret" and "resent" the construction of a security fence on the border between the United States and Mexico and called for more "intelligent" security between the two countries on Monday.
Zedillo also blamed drug violence largely on Americans' use of illegal drugs(...) (Zedillo) appeared at the panel discussion with the co-chairman of the commission, former U.S. Undersecretary of State Thomas R. Pickering.
Pickering noted that 90 percent of the guns seized in drug law enforcement operations in Mexico can be traced back to the United States, a statistic also cited by officials from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in testimony before the House Foreign Affair Committee's subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere in February 2008. CNSNews
Americans are massively addicted to drugs and spend enormous amounts of cash on their habit. The Mexican drug cartels are formed to service that habit and they thus have the money to corrupt even key Mexican government officials (and key Mexican officials have never come cheaply) something which threatens the very existence of the Mexican state.
And the United States not only supplies the drug lords with cash. The United States is where they buy military grade weapons on the open market. This is made possible by a loose interpretation the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, which constitutional law professor, president-elect Barack Obama, has declared he has no intention of tightening up.
If, to top all this, the United States revised NAFTA, as the president-elect has promised during the campaign, Mexico might literally become a failed state.
It seems so long ago, that it is hard to recall that once upon a time, when he was running for president in the year 2000, Bush said a number of sensible things that he quickly forgot on being elected. One of the most sensible was defining America's relationship with Mexico as its the most important foreign policy relationship. It was true then and it is true today: what happens in and to Mexico affects Americans, their prosperity and even their physical safety, much more than what happens in and to, say, Israel... Much, much, more.
9-11 and the invasion of Iraq caused Mexico to disappear from America's agenda. However while we are following events far, far away, the rise in the price of corn, the staple food of Mexico's masses, due to ethanol production in the United States, which our president-elect also supports, combined with the corruption flowing from drug money derived from from the bottomless appetites of American addicts, has put the political stability of Mexico in grave danger.
If we add to that the effects of massive layoffs of Mexican workers in the USA due to the recession, with waves of unemployed immigrants returning home empty handed to find corn meal priced out of their reach... combined with stringent border controls and the mass expulsions that so many US politicians are clamoring for... Add to that many armed and horribly violent cartel gunmen with money and automatic weapons.... we are looking at a potential geopolitical disaster far worse than the war in Iraq...
If Mexico collapsed into anarchy, besides having to find space for the entire Mexican middle class, the United States could find itself fighting a real counter-insurgency; a conflict where the southern US border would be little more than a line drawn on a map and with the whole South West under virtual martial law.
Anything even remotely like this scenario would multiply the effects of the deep recession/depression we are entering beyond imagining. All the elements are in place for a disaster and nobody seems to care very much.
Who knows who?
Who could know America and the Americans, who they are, what really motivates them and why they do the things they do more truly than Mexico and the Mexicans? It is the Americans themselves that don't know America and what it is.
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One wonders what it is that you are addicted to (besides grandiose posturing and doomsaying).
November 26, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
A stunning masterpiece of non-sequiturs. With the usual decorations of course.
And let's not forget that this was an attempt to defend (or more accurately, deflect attention from) your insight that Americans were hoping that Obama himself single-handedly would be the solution to all our problems. An insight contradicted by polls and common sense, not to mention numerous posts on this very site that are only a click or two away.
And through twists and turns you end up here: with the absurd claim that "any inhabitant of Baghdad is an expert on Americans".
You drop the claim that everyone other than Americans experiences America "first hand", but I have to wonder why. Would one more absurdity have been just too much? One more bald assertion would be one straw too many? Personally I think you could have pulled it off without any loss of credibility.
But what I love most is the stream of free association about the "war on drugs," ethanol production, the second amendment, and the dire threat of the whole Southwest under martial law, and then just as you're getting wound up and nobody would expect you to bring it back to the original inane point ... you do. And you bring it back to the original inane point very, very quickly by omitting any attempt at a logical connection or transition, instead immediately jumping to an assertion that Mexicans know Americans better than Americans know Americans. Rounded out by yet another non-sequitur and a repetition of the claim that Americans don't know America and "what it is".
November 26, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
fnord.
November 26, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. Word.
November 26, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you read a little Chomsky? Where do you think you live?
November 27, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reality. Where do you dwell? Blame America first land?
Maybe you ought to look around and tell me why it is there is such horrid discrimination in Spain, and why it is that you keep losing your most talented youth to other countries.
Maybe you ought to work on that before you come around here whining and complaining.
Get your own house in order dude. You don't have any bragging rights.
November 27, 2008 6:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I must agree with pretty much everything you written, though dispute your conclusion that Mexico is somehow on the verge of becoming a failed state.
Mexico, where I reside and where there are great problems relative to income distribution and the consequent poverty, actually has an expanding middle class. Mexico also has a stable government which has made great strides in increasing the transparency and in the delivery of public services, such as potable water and electricity, to its citizens.
There are indeed tens of millions of Mexicans, primarily in rural areas, living in abject poverty, while, like Latin America in general, there are also the super rich. Carlos Slim is amongst the three richest persons in the world, thanks in large measure to his closeness to former president Salinas at the time the national phone system was privatized. (Slim, by the way, has just recently invested over $100 million in CitiBank.)
The drug cartel violence you cite is primarily localized to the states bordering upon the USA, though there are occasional attacks on Mexican government and police officials in the capital and elsewhere.
Additionally, the Cuban mafia is quite active in the Yucatan, in trafficking in drugs and transporting Cubans to the USA where they may avail themselves of the wet foot/dry foot policy, which only Cubans enjoy. Regularly in Cancun, and less often elsewhere in the Yucatan, bodies of traffickers eliminated with extreme prejudice turn up.
Most of the violence and killing is aimed at drug and human trafficker competitors, though retributive killings of government and police officials are also common. The bigger problem, just as in the USA, is that the immense amounts of black market money generated entice government and police officials to bribery.
The drug cartels and Cuban mafia violence is pretty much a direct result of USA policy. If the recreational use of now illegal drugs was legalized the drug prices would almost immediately fall to their real levels and render the black market unprofitable. Likewise if USA immigration policy were the same for Cubans as it is for immigrants from other nations the Cuban mafia trafficking in humans would be greatly reduced.
There are reasons, of course, why prohibition and the wet/foot dry foot policy continue despite their ineffectiveness and taxpayer costs. There are folks in the USA profiting handsomely from the policies.
I also agree with your statement that "It is the Americans themselves that don't know America and what it is."
Mexicans, as well as folks throughout Latin America are much more aware, it seems to me, of the 150 year history of USA government nefarious acts throughout Latin American aimed at protecting markets for USA businesses than are all but a small percentage of USA citizens.
Additionally, I travel frequently to Cuba where I enjoy discussing politics with Cubans, whether friends, taxi drivers, or folks I meet on the street. On a number of occasions, during such discussions, Cuban have remarked to me of the importance of Florida's 27 electoral college votes in USA presidential election. I believe that a very small percentage of the USA population would, without looking it up, be able to say how many electoral college votes Florida enjoys.
Traveling along the Dalmatian coast of Croatia I also found folks with whom I spoke very well informed on USA politics. More so than most folks in the area of coastal Washington state where I spent most of my life.
November 26, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I worry about the effects of mass US layoffs of Mexican workers in a deep recession and their finding no work at home and high cornflour prices. That is what finally might make things boil over.
November 27, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're an expert on the United States in the same way that Sarah Palin is an expert on Russia. Just because you get exposed to a preprocessed version of the United States passed through the filter of Spain (and the internet) doesn't mean you have a better idea of what's going on here than we do. In fact, you're at a disadvantage. Sure, we get all of our information through a filter as well, but we're (to a degree) getting it through the same filter as people living in the United States, seeing as how we live in the United States, thus giving us an insight into people living in the United States that you're just not going to get.
You can try to claim expertise based on these fallacies, but you're not fooling anyone but yourself.
November 26, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with the USA is that it meddles in the affairs of most, if not all, of the countries in the world, with very negative effects. Most Americans only got a glimpse of this central fact when the planes slammed into the towers.
November 27, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know Ben, the United States is not exactly United, and you can know Iowa without knowing Washington, or know Nevada without knowing Detroit or Atlanta. I for the life of me cannot figure out Texas, but Mississippi and Colorado are no problem, even from afar.
November 27, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
"It is the Americans themselves that don't know America and what it is." Why certainly, your logic is impeccable!
"It is DS himself that doesn't know DS and what he is." There, I have become as wise as you!
November 26, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sleepy time in Spain, where the rain is mainly in the plain. It's raining, it's pouring, the old man is snoring. A smile plays across his lips as a scene flashes upon his inward eye - a parade of the world's newspapers, all covered in bold blaring headlines reading:
US Lies in Smoking Ruins - Failed to Heed Warnings of the Blogger Who Foretold It All
November 26, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the issue is Mexico, why the pharmaceuticals in the cheesy image?
The big cartel money is cocaine and heroin, neither of which is not produced in Mexico but rather is transshipped. True that American demand is high, but it's more the combination of porous border and relatively strong economy. Of course if we are in systemic failure, as per your other offering with cheesy image, I guess Mexico won't be selling as much here.
And the insane drug policies here are not the result of Obama, or Democrats in the main, but the pressure from the right. So I'm not sure what point is being made. Do medical-marijuana growers in California make Mexico poorer? Should we build a better fence? Tear it down?
And Obama supported, past tense, ethanol when an Illinois senator, big surprise. He recently said it has to be re-evaluated.
Try again, we like arguing.
November 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of pot that finds it's way into the U.S. is grown in that poooooor country, Canada.
This is nonsense from start to finish. Mexico and Spain are hardly beacons of light and democratic, just governance.
November 26, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marijuana is the most value cash crop in the USA.
November 26, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, didn't think you could explain it.
Could it be.... you don't understand Mexico as well as America does?
November 27, 2008 6:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Spain has a socialist government that has legalized gay marriage.... how is that for just and democratic?
November 27, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, my state legalized gay marriage. Get back to me when you elect a Moor as head of your government.
Heck, get back to me after your government apolgizes for the inquisition and Franco.
Get back to me when your government stops taking US dollars in aid and stops depending on NATO and the UN and their US dollars so you can spend that money on 'something else.'
Get back to me when you've lost your intolerance and developed a shred of humility.
November 27, 2008 6:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Today's Spain is a model democracy with social services that are better than America's. The alliance with the USA has brought Spain nothing but bases and grief: most Spaniards would probably be more comfortable being neutral like Finland, Austria or Ireland. Spain has received a lot of money from the European Union, but not from the USA. As to apologies, the USA has never apologized for slavery or for killing the Native-Americans. Anyway Franco was a self-inflicted wound and the inquisition was hundreds of years ago.
November 27, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
How utterly ridiculous.
I guess you ex-pats must like the idea that you are not responsible for any evil done on a local level. How about you measure what actual good U.S. dollars do, as well?
Nah, then you might have to be responsible for yourselves and the places you live.
The cowardice these types of whining, sophomoric rants display is beneath contempt.
November 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no argument as to "what actual good U.S. dollars do".
I suggest you read a bit about USA government covert and overt actions throughout Latin America to learn what your tax dollars have wrought. You also might wish to look into USA actions in Iran in 1953, which ultimately resulted in the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure of the USA embassy and the Reagan administration's supplying of biological and chemical weapons to Iraq to be used against the Iranians.
Really, your comment that "It is the Americans themselves that don't know America and what it is." at least applies to you.
November 26, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell me, how much money has Mexico spent to assist it's poorer neighbors? How come? Is it because they can't get their own shit together? Why do you allow the corruption? Hey, in America we wouldn't stand for that level of bad governance or discrimination. You might have forgotten about things that are really important.
Tell me, why is there such a glaring disparity between the rich and the poor in that country? I bet you have servants, doncha. Is that why you're in Mexico? More bang for your American buck?
Must be nice.
Not for them, of course.
November 27, 2008 6:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really, your comment that "It is the Americans themselves that don't know America and what it is." at least applies to you.
It's true that some very bad things are done in the name of the "war on drugs".
But what kind of twisted thinking gets you (and Seaton) to the conclusion that this particular bad thing is "what America is"? I guess Seaton's world view is more expansive than this because to him, apparently, "what America is" includes not just the worst aspects of the "war on drugs" but also the worst aspects of Bush's war, and I'm guessing a lot of other atrocious stuff as well.
And I guess if you take that twisted view of "what America is" then to find people who understand America better than Americans you would of course look to the people who have suffered worst under American oppression of various sorts, to the extent that their view of "what America is" consists entirely of those atrocities.
So that's the message here. People who are seething with anger at American atrocities and who see America solely in terms of those atrocities are, in Seaton's view, the ones who best understand "what America is". Because they're the ones who have a view of America that agrees with Seaton's view of America.
November 26, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, open up Noam Chomsky and read him for about a week and you will be a new man.
November 27, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have read Chomsky and I don't know what you're talking about. How can one author have all the answers? I like his writing, but you seem to think he wrote "the book of truth" which tells all. That view (of one person's writing) doesn't seem very enlightened to me; seems kind of narrow-minded. But then again, "unenlightened and narrow-minded pretty much describes most of what you have to say.
November 27, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chomsky is the last of the great American public intellectuals, he may not be Emerson, but he is all that is left.
November 27, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"last of" "all that is left"
Apparently in your mind it is end times. A pity for you!
November 27, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why haven't Brown and Seaton renounced their citizenship?
I heartily suggest they do so. ASAP.
November 27, 2008 6:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
If what America is to the world is such a sorry sack of shit then why was Obama's election such a mood-raiser? It is because what America "is" is now what it "was", that is, Bush is leaving.
Most of the less-honorable aspects of our interactions with the world can be laid at the feet of right-wing hawks, whether Democratic or Republican. We can blame Vietnam on them, not on Kennedy. We can blame the empowerment of Al Qaeda on them, not on Clinton. We can blame the brutal drug interventions on them, the coups to benefit United Fruit, the coups to squash any socialist movement, the wars to drain the Soviet Union, the arms race (mostly) and the egregious qualifications on foreign aid that required recipients to use American companies, and the restrictions on medical assistance that limited or prevented birth control choices on conservatives.
I fail to see why these old complaints are raised now that those responsible are in disgrace, with terms like investigation, impeachment, and indictment hovering nearby. This is associative guilt in a weak and transparent manner. Now that Obama has won you are tarring him with history's brush before he can even take office.
November 27, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Any president is automatically "tarred with history's brush" before they start.
It comes with the turf.
Here is how one notable history maven explained it:
November 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink